MEMORANDUM OF DECISION
NEWMAN, District Judge.
The Government has moved for an order adjudicating two persons, Marie Turgeon and Ellen Grusse, in contempt for failing to answer questions asked at a session of a Federal Grand Jury. 28 U.S.C. § 1826. The witnesses were called before the Grand Jury on January 28, 1975, at which time they declined to answer questions on various grounds including their privilege against self-incrimination. On February 13, 1975, the Government obtained from this Court an order granting the witnesses use immunity pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 6003. That same day the witnesses returned to the Grand Jury and were asked questions concerning their knowledge of persons who may have participated in Connecticut with two persons who are now fugitives under a Federal indictment in the District of Massachusetts on charges stemming from the robbery of a federally-insured bank, in which a police officer was shot and killed. The witnesses refused to answer the questions, invoking various constitutional amendments as well as the claim that the questioning resulted from illegal electronic surveillance. The following day, February 14, 1975, the Government applied to this Court for an order compelling the witnesses to answer the specific questions they had been asked and declined to answer the previous day. Those questions are set out in the margin.
After a
hearing, the requested order was issued. The witnesses then returned to the Grand Jury and again persisted in their refusal to answer the same questions previously asked. Still later in the afternoon of February 14, the witnesses were presented again in Court and were orally advised by this Court to show cause on February 18, 1975, why they should not be adjudicated in contempt for their failure to answer the Grand Jury’s questions. On February 18, the witnesses were heard through counsel and submitted extensive memoranda outlining the grounds alleged to justify their refusal to answer questions. On January 28 and at all subsequent times, the witnesses were represented by counsel.
1. The witnesses contend initially that they and their attorneys have been subjected to illegal electronic surveillance, that the Grand Jury questioning is or may be derived therefrom, and that such occurrences are a defense to contempt citations for failure to testify.
Gelbard v. United States,
408 U.S. 41, 92 S.Ct. 2357, 33 L.Ed.2d 179 (1972). In support of this claim, there have been submitted affidavits by the witnesses and their attorneys (and other attorneys who, though they have not appeared for the witnesses, are alleged to be cooperating attorneys with the attorneys who have appeared). These affidavits allege that the witnesses and attorneys believe they have been subjected to illegal electronic surveillance,
i. e.,
wiretapping. The claims are based on conclusory statements that the questions asked must have come from such surveillance, as well as more particularized claims to telephone malfunctioning and unusual sounds heard on telephones. No expert testimony was presented linking the telephone sounds or malfunctioning to a likelihood of wiretapping.
In this Circuit, the allegation of wiretapping, whether or not particularized, is apparently sufficient to trigger the Government’s obligation to “affirm or deny” the alleged unlawful act. 18 U.S.C. § 3504.
United States v. Toscanino,
500 F.2d 267 (2d Cir. 1974); see
United States v. Vielguth,
502 F.2d 1257 (9th Cir. 1974).
The Government has sought to discharge its burden under § 3504 by filing
an affidavit of the Assistant United States Attorney responsible for examining these witnesses before the Grand Jury. That affidavit represents that inquiry has been made “of the appropriate federal authorities” to determine whether there has been electronic surveillance of the witnesses or their attorneys, and that “based on the results of such inquiry . . . there has been no electronic surveillance” of the individuals named or on their premises.
The witnesses were permitted to examine the Assistant United States Attorney at the hearing on February 18. They established that his inquiry had been directed solely to a Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation with supervisory responsibilities for this matter.
The witnesses dispute the adequacy of the Government’s affidavit of denial. Moreover, they have submitted a list of names and telephone numbers that they assert should be checked by the Government for possible wiretapping. Finally, they assert the right to examine the officials who did the checking on which the Assistant United States Attorney’s denial was based.
The form and scope of the Government’s denial of wiretapping is similar to what has been deemed sufficient by the Court of Appeals for this and three other circuits.
United States v. Smilow,
472 F.2d 1193 (2d Cir. 1973);
Beverly v. United States,
468 F.2d 732 (5th Cir. 1972);
In re Grumbles,
453 F.2d 119 (3d Cir. 1971);
In re Marx,
451 F.2d 466 (1st Cir. 1971).
It cannot be said with assurance that the submission of the affidavit of denial conclusively puts to rest all possibility of illegal electronic surveillance, as various cases, including
Smilow,
unhappily illustrate. The risk of undisclosed illegal wiretapping arises primarily from two possibilities. First, the absence of cross-examination of those who conducted the search of Government records leaves open the possibility that the search, even within the agency that undertook it, was not thorough. Secondly, there is the possibility that wiretapping was done by an agency other than the F. B. I. and that the results of such tapping found their way into the files of the F. B. I. The question is whether the denial is adequate to obligate the witnesses to respond to the Grand Jury’s questions or face contempt sanctions. On this issue, the decision in this Circuit in
United States v. Persico,
491 F. 2d 1156 (2d Cir. 1974), is instructive. The Court there held that where wiretapping had occurred pursuant to court order, a witness could not litigate the validity of the tap before responding to Grand Jury inquiry. The Court emphasized the legitimate concern of the Grand Jury for conducting its business
promptly.
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MEMORANDUM OF DECISION
NEWMAN, District Judge.
The Government has moved for an order adjudicating two persons, Marie Turgeon and Ellen Grusse, in contempt for failing to answer questions asked at a session of a Federal Grand Jury. 28 U.S.C. § 1826. The witnesses were called before the Grand Jury on January 28, 1975, at which time they declined to answer questions on various grounds including their privilege against self-incrimination. On February 13, 1975, the Government obtained from this Court an order granting the witnesses use immunity pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 6003. That same day the witnesses returned to the Grand Jury and were asked questions concerning their knowledge of persons who may have participated in Connecticut with two persons who are now fugitives under a Federal indictment in the District of Massachusetts on charges stemming from the robbery of a federally-insured bank, in which a police officer was shot and killed. The witnesses refused to answer the questions, invoking various constitutional amendments as well as the claim that the questioning resulted from illegal electronic surveillance. The following day, February 14, 1975, the Government applied to this Court for an order compelling the witnesses to answer the specific questions they had been asked and declined to answer the previous day. Those questions are set out in the margin.
After a
hearing, the requested order was issued. The witnesses then returned to the Grand Jury and again persisted in their refusal to answer the same questions previously asked. Still later in the afternoon of February 14, the witnesses were presented again in Court and were orally advised by this Court to show cause on February 18, 1975, why they should not be adjudicated in contempt for their failure to answer the Grand Jury’s questions. On February 18, the witnesses were heard through counsel and submitted extensive memoranda outlining the grounds alleged to justify their refusal to answer questions. On January 28 and at all subsequent times, the witnesses were represented by counsel.
1. The witnesses contend initially that they and their attorneys have been subjected to illegal electronic surveillance, that the Grand Jury questioning is or may be derived therefrom, and that such occurrences are a defense to contempt citations for failure to testify.
Gelbard v. United States,
408 U.S. 41, 92 S.Ct. 2357, 33 L.Ed.2d 179 (1972). In support of this claim, there have been submitted affidavits by the witnesses and their attorneys (and other attorneys who, though they have not appeared for the witnesses, are alleged to be cooperating attorneys with the attorneys who have appeared). These affidavits allege that the witnesses and attorneys believe they have been subjected to illegal electronic surveillance,
i. e.,
wiretapping. The claims are based on conclusory statements that the questions asked must have come from such surveillance, as well as more particularized claims to telephone malfunctioning and unusual sounds heard on telephones. No expert testimony was presented linking the telephone sounds or malfunctioning to a likelihood of wiretapping.
In this Circuit, the allegation of wiretapping, whether or not particularized, is apparently sufficient to trigger the Government’s obligation to “affirm or deny” the alleged unlawful act. 18 U.S.C. § 3504.
United States v. Toscanino,
500 F.2d 267 (2d Cir. 1974); see
United States v. Vielguth,
502 F.2d 1257 (9th Cir. 1974).
The Government has sought to discharge its burden under § 3504 by filing
an affidavit of the Assistant United States Attorney responsible for examining these witnesses before the Grand Jury. That affidavit represents that inquiry has been made “of the appropriate federal authorities” to determine whether there has been electronic surveillance of the witnesses or their attorneys, and that “based on the results of such inquiry . . . there has been no electronic surveillance” of the individuals named or on their premises.
The witnesses were permitted to examine the Assistant United States Attorney at the hearing on February 18. They established that his inquiry had been directed solely to a Special Agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation with supervisory responsibilities for this matter.
The witnesses dispute the adequacy of the Government’s affidavit of denial. Moreover, they have submitted a list of names and telephone numbers that they assert should be checked by the Government for possible wiretapping. Finally, they assert the right to examine the officials who did the checking on which the Assistant United States Attorney’s denial was based.
The form and scope of the Government’s denial of wiretapping is similar to what has been deemed sufficient by the Court of Appeals for this and three other circuits.
United States v. Smilow,
472 F.2d 1193 (2d Cir. 1973);
Beverly v. United States,
468 F.2d 732 (5th Cir. 1972);
In re Grumbles,
453 F.2d 119 (3d Cir. 1971);
In re Marx,
451 F.2d 466 (1st Cir. 1971).
It cannot be said with assurance that the submission of the affidavit of denial conclusively puts to rest all possibility of illegal electronic surveillance, as various cases, including
Smilow,
unhappily illustrate. The risk of undisclosed illegal wiretapping arises primarily from two possibilities. First, the absence of cross-examination of those who conducted the search of Government records leaves open the possibility that the search, even within the agency that undertook it, was not thorough. Secondly, there is the possibility that wiretapping was done by an agency other than the F. B. I. and that the results of such tapping found their way into the files of the F. B. I. The question is whether the denial is adequate to obligate the witnesses to respond to the Grand Jury’s questions or face contempt sanctions. On this issue, the decision in this Circuit in
United States v. Persico,
491 F. 2d 1156 (2d Cir. 1974), is instructive. The Court there held that where wiretapping had occurred pursuant to court order, a witness could not litigate the validity of the tap before responding to Grand Jury inquiry. The Court emphasized the legitimate concern of the Grand Jury for conducting its business
promptly. Pérsico
obviously demonstrates that the Second Circuit is willing to require witnesses to respond to Grand Jury questions even though all possibility of illegal wiretapping has not been ruled out. Nothing has been presented in this hearing to indicate that the risk that a denial of wiretapping in the form presented in the Government’s affidavit
will later turn out to be incorrect is any greater than the risk that a court-ordered wiretap will later turn out to be invalid on any of the many grounds available for attacking such orders. The willingness to accept some risk of illegal wiretapping in the context of a contempt proceeding involving a Grand Jury witness seems to be grounded on the fact that requiring a witness to respond after obtaining use immunity is a less drastic assertion of governmental power than prosecuting a person for a criminal offense. In the latter situation the risk tolerated by
Pérsico
would plainly not be tolerated; a suppression hearing would be held.
Here the Government has made a denial of wiretapping, based upon the report of the agency investigating the matter at hand. The denial covers the witnesses and the names of the attorneys they furnished the Government. It covers the named persons and “their premises.” I find this denial sufficient to satisfy 18 U.S.C. § 3504, in the context of a contempt proceeding against an immunized Grand Jury witness, under the current standards prevailing in this Circuit.
The witnesses’ submission of additional names and telephone numbers does not require a further response from the Government. The list submitted gives no identification of the names of those persons not previously identified to the Government as attorneys for the witnesses. Moreover, there is no specification on the list of the reason for checking all of the telephone numbers given for the names that were checked. For example, for the witness Ellen Grusse, 14 telephone numbers are listed.
2. Challenge is made to the composition of the Grand Jury.
Cf. United States ex rel. Chestnut v. Criminal Court,
442 F.2d 611 (2d Cir. 1971). The claim is based on alleged unconstitutional discrimination against Blacks and women.
The claim respecting Blacks is based on the same data that were considered by the Second Circuit in
United States v. Jenkins,
496 F.2d 57 (2d Cir. 1974), affirming a conviction from this District. While that same data have been given a somewhat more sophisticated analysis in testimony later presented to this court in
United States v. Gonzalez,
Criminal No. B-115 (D.Conn. May 22, 1974), the data were before the Court of Appeals in
Jenkins,
and the affirmance there forecloses further consideration of the issue in this Court.
The claim concerning discrimination against women is not readily understood. The witnesses’ brief alleges that the same data presented in
Jenkins
(though not litigated on this point) show that of 455 persons selected or rejected for the venire, about 60% were female. The brief then asserts “from that total number, however, only 28% were selected for service, compared to 45% of the men.” It is not clear what numbers were used to compute the 28%. In any event, no unconstitutional discrimination has been shown. Thé witnesses do not cite any court rule or practice that prevents or in any way hinders women from serving on juries. It may well be that women seek bona fide excuse from jury service in greater numbers than men on the basis of a need to care for young children at home. The honoring of such excuses does not deny these witnesses any constitutionally protected rights. Taking judicial notice of the records of this Court, the Court notes that of the 20 members of the Grand Jury presently serving from the 23 originally impaneled, there are eight women and twelve men.
3. The witnesses challenged the grant of use immunity and also resist the contempt citation on the ground that the Government has not demonstrated compliance with the guidelines which Attorney General Kleindienst advised Chairman Celler of the House Judiciary Committee by letter dated November 30, 1971, were being used to govern decisions by Department of Justice personnel in deciding whether to seek use im
munity. A demonstration of compliance with these guidelines has been rejected by the Fifth Circuit,
In re Tierney,
465 F.2d 806 (5th Cir. 1972), and by this Court,
In re Cardassi,
351 F.Supp. 1080 (D.Conn.1972).
4. The witnesses next urge that the immunity order was invalid and that they should therefore not be cited for contempt because the use immunity order was not accompanied by their requested form of protective order.
The order sought would have required the Government to certify the presently existing evidence implicating the witnesses in the matters under inquiry, barred subsequent prosecution of the witnesses on any evidence other than what was thus certified, prohibited Government officials from making investigative use of the witnesses’ compelled testimony, and required the witnesses to be furnished a copy of their testimony.
The first portion of the requested order follows a suggestion viewed favorably in
Goldberg v. United States,
472 F.2d 513 (2d Cir. 1973). The sugges-. tion, however, was directed to prosecutors, and not to District Courts establishing conditions under which use immunity could be conferred. If the Government has any thought of one day prosecuting these witnesses, the requested certification would certainly aid it in establishing its burden of demonstrating that no use or derivative use was made of the compelled testimony. But the infrequency of prosecution of witnesses given use immunity may well prompt the Government not to accept the
Goldberg
suggestion as a routine practice. The Government today elected to file, under seal, the evidence presently available against the witnesses.
The request that the Government be barred from prosecuting the witnesses on any evidence other than what is now certified would transform use immunity into a modified form of transactional immunity contrary to
Kastigar v. United States,
406 U.S. 441, 92 S.Ct. 1653, 32 L.Ed.2d 345 (1973). If evidence hereafter comes to the Government’s attention implicating the witnesses in criminal activity,
Kastigar
requires the Government to sustain its burden of proving a source independent of the compelled testimony, but if that burden is sustained, use of the new evidence is not barred.
The request for a transcript of compelled testimony would surely be appropriate if any action is taken against the witnesses, either for perjury or some other offense, but until such action appears likely, the request is premature.
For these reasons the request for a protective order was denied. The Government has represented that it will not seek any indictment of the witnesses from the same Grand Jury to which they testify.
5. Finally, the claim is made that the compulsion of answers from these witnesses constitutes an abuse of the Grand Jury function. The witnesses
allege that the Government is interested only in finding the present whereabouts of the two fugitives from the Massachusetts robbery and otherwise building its case against those fugitives.
The Government informed the witnesses, with the concurrence of the Grand Jury foreman, that the Grand Jury was investigating possible violations in the District of Connecticut of statutes punishing accessories after the fact, 18 U.S.C. § 3, and those who harbor fugitives, 18 U.S.C. § 1071, in connection with the Massachusetts bank robbery.
The questions put to the witnesses demonstrate on
p
their face that they properly relate to the possible violations in this District that the Government represented were being pursued. That the answers might also lead to the identification of the whereabouts of two fugitives does not bar the Grand Jury from hearing them.
More generally, abuse of the Grand Jury function is alleged because the witnesses were subpoenaed after they declined to answer questions asked by F. B. I. agents, and because of alleged harassment. Since the questions legitimately relate to possible violations of Federal law in this District, they cannot be avoided simply because they were initially asked by F. B. I. agents. The claim of harassment is without merit. It is based on affidavits of the witnesses that do no more than indicate that the F. B. I. has asked members of the witnesses’ families the same type of questions being asked the witnesses. No showing has been made that the questioning, previously pursued by the F. B. I., or presently pursued by the Grand Jury, is searching out intimate personal details as to which, in some circumstances, a right of privacy might thwart an otherwise legitimate inquiry into criminal violations, or at least place upon the Government some burden of demonstrating a specific need for the answers.
Since the grounds for declining to answer the Grand Jury’s questions are without merit,
the witnesses are properly subject to contempt sanctions, and since they have stated to the Court today that they will persist in refusing to testify even though their objections have been overruled, they are adjudicated in civil contempt and remanded to the custody of the United States Marshal until such time as they elect to purge their conteinpt by testifying, but in no event for longer than the expiration of the term of the Grand Jury on April 1, 1975.