Opinion for the Court filed by Senior Circuit Judge DANAHER.
Dissenting opinion filed by Senior District Judge VAN PELT.
DANAHER, Senior Circuit Judge:
This is an appeal pursuant to 47 U.S.C. § 402(b)(1) from a decision of the Review Board of the Federal Communications Commission (Board)1 denying petitioner Barn-ford’s application for a construction permit2 for a new FM broadcast facility in Corpus Christi, Texas. 48 FCC 2d 1155 (1974). The denial was based solely on a finding of failure to comply with the Commission’s Primer on Ascertainment of Community Problems by Broadcast Applicants, 27 FCC 2d 650 (1971). In so holding, the Board reversed the Initial Decision entered by the Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) who had only grudgingly approved issuance of the permit on a finding of “minimal” compliance with the Primer, despite a fragmented presentation characterized as “haphazard in the extreme.” 48 FCC 2d 1161 (1974). Petitioner urges reversal essentially on a claim of vagueness of certain Primer standards resulting in a lack of notice, but additionally he argues that the Board erred in refusing to allow him to amend his application. After careful review of the materials of record as pertinent here, we affirm the decision of the Commission.
I. BACKGROUND
As part of its mandate to regulate the broadcasting industry in the public interest,3 the FCC has required applicants to familiarize themselves with the needs, interests and problems of the groups comprising the communities proposed to be served, to document such familiarity in license applications, and to submit programming proposals responsive to such needs. The primary purpose of this requirement is to guarantee
that the programming service will be rooted in people whom the station is obligated to serve and who will be in a much better position to see that the obligation to them is fulfilled, thus lessening the enforcement burden of the Commission.
“Public Notice Relating To Ascertainment of Community Needs by Broadcast Appli[80]*80cants,” FCC 68-847, 13 R.R.2d 1903 (1968). The requirement has evolved gradually, beginning with the Commission’s En Banc Programming Inquiry, FCC 60-970, 20 R.R. 1901 (1960),4 and continuing, with some confusion,5 to the present time. See Ascertainment of Community Problems by Broadcast [Renewal] Applicants, 41 Fed.Reg. 1371 (January 7, 1976). The importance of the requirement was reflected in the Commission’s landmark decision in City of Camden et al., 18 FCC 2d 412 (1969), where it refused to approve the voluntary assignment of a station license because of the failure of the assignee adequately to survey the community sought to be served. The issuance of the Camden decision was followed by a flurry of activity at the Commission, and in December 1969 the Commission issued a Notice of Inquiry on the ascertainment standards and published a proposed Primer designed to answer requests for clarification submitted by applicants and the Federal Communications Bar Association. 20 FCC 2d 880. Shortly thereafter, the Commission published an “Interim Procedure” which had the effect, among other things, of staying all pending proceedings until the Primer was issued in final form. Community Survey Showings — Interim Procedure, 22 FCC 2d 421 (1970). The Primer and an accompanying detailed Report were formally promulgated on February 23, 1971, and pending proceedings were finally allowed to go forward with an opportunity being allowed for applicants to revise community ascertainment showings in order to comport with the standards set forth in the Primer. 27 FCC 2d 650.
The Primer established a relatively detailed set of guidelines for applicants to follow, each applicant thereafter being bound to provide the Commission with detailed information on certain required steps, and thus indicating a genuine awareness of problems in the areas sought to be served. Accordingly as presently pertinent, the Commission required each applicant to: (1) undertake a compositional study of the area designed to determine “significant groups” therein; (2) seek out and interview “leaders” or “spokesmen” for each such group to determine their perception of local needs and problems; (3) conduct a “roughly random” survey of the general public’s perception of such needs and problems; (4) evaluate the problems thus uncovered; and (5) submit programming proposals designed to assist in the resolution of these problems.
Petitioner submitted his application for a construction permit on January 20, 1970, in the midst of the confusion which preceded publication of the Primer. The application was designated for hearing on certain issues, including the community survey issue, on November 18, 1970, but was postponed at the request of petitioner’s counsel pending publication of the Primer. The Primer was released on February 23, 1971, and in May of that year petitioner conducted a series of interviews designed to comply with the Primer and submitted the results in an amendment to the application filed on June 7, 1971. Hearings were then held in September, and as a result petitioner conducted an additional survey in October, supplemented it in December, and filed the results as a second amendment to the application. Following a hearing on the new survey, the record was closed on January 27, 1972.
As a result of these survey showings, Bamford could demonstrate interviews with 45 community leaders, drawn primarily from a broad base of civic and business organizations, J.A. 68, 48 FCC 2d at 1167. He could additionally show interviews with [81]*8123 members of the general public,6 and the receipt of reply post card questionnaires from 50 additional members of the general public.
The non-ascertainment issues involved in the Corpus Christi application were severed at the request of the Commission Staff, 31 FCC 2d 701 (1971), and consolidated for hearing with similar issues in another proceeding involving petitioner’s application for a broadcast station in Colorado. 32 FCC 2d 773 (1972). The Corpus Christi proceeding remained dormant until the consolidated Colorado hearing was resolved favorably for the petitioner on June 16, 1973. 41 FCC 2d 835. Thereupon, the Administrative Law Judge reactivated the Corpus Christi proceeding and established a date for the filing of proposed findings. In the meantime petitioner conducted a new survey of the area in October 1973, and attempted to reopen the record for submission of the new results. The ALJ denied this request, but, concluding that Bamford had minimally achieved essential compliance, he released his initial decision on February 15, 1974, and granted the application.
The Commission Staff appealed the ruling to the Review Board which, after hearing oral argument, rendered a decision reversing the ALJ and denying the application. Petitioner then appealed to the Commission which declined review, thus finalizing the Review Board’s determination.
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Opinion for the Court filed by Senior Circuit Judge DANAHER.
Dissenting opinion filed by Senior District Judge VAN PELT.
DANAHER, Senior Circuit Judge:
This is an appeal pursuant to 47 U.S.C. § 402(b)(1) from a decision of the Review Board of the Federal Communications Commission (Board)1 denying petitioner Barn-ford’s application for a construction permit2 for a new FM broadcast facility in Corpus Christi, Texas. 48 FCC 2d 1155 (1974). The denial was based solely on a finding of failure to comply with the Commission’s Primer on Ascertainment of Community Problems by Broadcast Applicants, 27 FCC 2d 650 (1971). In so holding, the Board reversed the Initial Decision entered by the Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) who had only grudgingly approved issuance of the permit on a finding of “minimal” compliance with the Primer, despite a fragmented presentation characterized as “haphazard in the extreme.” 48 FCC 2d 1161 (1974). Petitioner urges reversal essentially on a claim of vagueness of certain Primer standards resulting in a lack of notice, but additionally he argues that the Board erred in refusing to allow him to amend his application. After careful review of the materials of record as pertinent here, we affirm the decision of the Commission.
I. BACKGROUND
As part of its mandate to regulate the broadcasting industry in the public interest,3 the FCC has required applicants to familiarize themselves with the needs, interests and problems of the groups comprising the communities proposed to be served, to document such familiarity in license applications, and to submit programming proposals responsive to such needs. The primary purpose of this requirement is to guarantee
that the programming service will be rooted in people whom the station is obligated to serve and who will be in a much better position to see that the obligation to them is fulfilled, thus lessening the enforcement burden of the Commission.
“Public Notice Relating To Ascertainment of Community Needs by Broadcast Appli[80]*80cants,” FCC 68-847, 13 R.R.2d 1903 (1968). The requirement has evolved gradually, beginning with the Commission’s En Banc Programming Inquiry, FCC 60-970, 20 R.R. 1901 (1960),4 and continuing, with some confusion,5 to the present time. See Ascertainment of Community Problems by Broadcast [Renewal] Applicants, 41 Fed.Reg. 1371 (January 7, 1976). The importance of the requirement was reflected in the Commission’s landmark decision in City of Camden et al., 18 FCC 2d 412 (1969), where it refused to approve the voluntary assignment of a station license because of the failure of the assignee adequately to survey the community sought to be served. The issuance of the Camden decision was followed by a flurry of activity at the Commission, and in December 1969 the Commission issued a Notice of Inquiry on the ascertainment standards and published a proposed Primer designed to answer requests for clarification submitted by applicants and the Federal Communications Bar Association. 20 FCC 2d 880. Shortly thereafter, the Commission published an “Interim Procedure” which had the effect, among other things, of staying all pending proceedings until the Primer was issued in final form. Community Survey Showings — Interim Procedure, 22 FCC 2d 421 (1970). The Primer and an accompanying detailed Report were formally promulgated on February 23, 1971, and pending proceedings were finally allowed to go forward with an opportunity being allowed for applicants to revise community ascertainment showings in order to comport with the standards set forth in the Primer. 27 FCC 2d 650.
The Primer established a relatively detailed set of guidelines for applicants to follow, each applicant thereafter being bound to provide the Commission with detailed information on certain required steps, and thus indicating a genuine awareness of problems in the areas sought to be served. Accordingly as presently pertinent, the Commission required each applicant to: (1) undertake a compositional study of the area designed to determine “significant groups” therein; (2) seek out and interview “leaders” or “spokesmen” for each such group to determine their perception of local needs and problems; (3) conduct a “roughly random” survey of the general public’s perception of such needs and problems; (4) evaluate the problems thus uncovered; and (5) submit programming proposals designed to assist in the resolution of these problems.
Petitioner submitted his application for a construction permit on January 20, 1970, in the midst of the confusion which preceded publication of the Primer. The application was designated for hearing on certain issues, including the community survey issue, on November 18, 1970, but was postponed at the request of petitioner’s counsel pending publication of the Primer. The Primer was released on February 23, 1971, and in May of that year petitioner conducted a series of interviews designed to comply with the Primer and submitted the results in an amendment to the application filed on June 7, 1971. Hearings were then held in September, and as a result petitioner conducted an additional survey in October, supplemented it in December, and filed the results as a second amendment to the application. Following a hearing on the new survey, the record was closed on January 27, 1972.
As a result of these survey showings, Bamford could demonstrate interviews with 45 community leaders, drawn primarily from a broad base of civic and business organizations, J.A. 68, 48 FCC 2d at 1167. He could additionally show interviews with [81]*8123 members of the general public,6 and the receipt of reply post card questionnaires from 50 additional members of the general public.
The non-ascertainment issues involved in the Corpus Christi application were severed at the request of the Commission Staff, 31 FCC 2d 701 (1971), and consolidated for hearing with similar issues in another proceeding involving petitioner’s application for a broadcast station in Colorado. 32 FCC 2d 773 (1972). The Corpus Christi proceeding remained dormant until the consolidated Colorado hearing was resolved favorably for the petitioner on June 16, 1973. 41 FCC 2d 835. Thereupon, the Administrative Law Judge reactivated the Corpus Christi proceeding and established a date for the filing of proposed findings. In the meantime petitioner conducted a new survey of the area in October 1973, and attempted to reopen the record for submission of the new results. The ALJ denied this request, but, concluding that Bamford had minimally achieved essential compliance, he released his initial decision on February 15, 1974, and granted the application.
The Commission Staff appealed the ruling to the Review Board which, after hearing oral argument, rendered a decision reversing the ALJ and denying the application. Petitioner then appealed to the Commission which declined review, thus finalizing the Review Board’s determination. The Board found that petitioner had presented an inadequate survey of community problems: he had failed to undertake an adequate compositional survey of the Corpus Christi area; he had failed to interview “leaders” of significant groups in the city, specifically Spanish-Americans and welfare recipients; and he had failed to conduct a “random” survey of the general public.7
II. THE ISSUES ON APPEAL
As a preliminary matter, we note that whatever other factors may have contributed to the haphazard ascertainment showing involved here, certainly the inadequacy of the composition study played a direct role. The composition study serves as the basis for the survey of “leaders” of significant groups, and is therefore a crucial component of a community needs survey.8
Petitioner’s composition study was in two parts. The first, submitted with the May 1971 amendment, consisted of a copy of a single page from the 1970 Census containing information on race, age, and head of household status for the population of Corpus Christi. The second, submitted with the October 1971 survey, contained a list of service, professional and trade organizations in the area, as well as information concerning the industrial life of the city and a general description of the nature of its work force. No information was submitted detailing the income distribution in the area. Had such information been obtained, petitioner would have been aware that over [82]*8218 per cent of the population of the Corpus Christi area was below the poverty level.
A. The Leadership Survey
Bamford charges that the Primer provided him with insufficient notice of certain requirements concerning the leadership survey. He claims that the Primer did not inform him that the term “leader” referred only to a person holding an official position in an organization, and that it did not indicate that welfare recipients were embraced within the phrase “significant group.”
It is beyond dispute that an applicant should not be placed in the position of going forward with an application without knowledge of requirements established by the Commission, and elementary fairness requires clarity of standards sufficient to apprise an applicant of what is expected. As Judge Leventhal stated in. Radio Athens, Inc., (WATH) v. F. C. C., 130 U.&App.D.C. 333, 339, 401 F.2d 398, 404 (1968) (dismissal of application without hearing for patent non-conformánce with Commission rules):
“The Commission is entitled to expect good faith on the part of the broadcasting industry in supplying data requested. The industry is correspondingly entitled to expect rules defining the required content of applications that are reasonably comprehensible to men acting in good faith." (emphasis added) (footnote omitted).
If an applicant ignores or fails to understand “reasonably comprehensible” requirements, he cannot be heard to complain about lack of notice.9
The Review Board found that Bamford had failed to interview “leaders” of the Spanish-American population group in Corpus Christi,10 and that “[tjhis deficiency standing alone, is sufficient basis” for the denial of the application. J.A. 76, 48 FCC 2d at 1158. The Commission thereby discounted petitioner’s interviews with four Spanish-Americans holding prominent positions in the Corpus Christi community — a judge, a city councilman, a pastor of a Roman Catholic Mexican-American church, and the county clerk who was also president of the Knights of Columbus — holding that these individuals were not “leaders” of the Spanish-American community. While the Board does not clearly indicate its reasoning, it appears that it defined “leader” in this instance as one who heads a formal “group” organized for the purpose of advancing the cause of a special interest or of an ethnic or nationality group.11 Petitioner, on the other hand, believed — or at least his actions indicate that he believed — that a [83]*83“leader” is one who holds a traditional position of authority and respect within the general community and who also happens to be a member of the “target” ethnic or racial group. Such a view appears to have been based on the notion that when a member of a minority group achieves a position of prominence — such as a judge or an elected official — that person automatically becomes a spokesman for, or a representative of, the minority group. While this expression may represent a somewhat outdated concept, we cannot say that it is patently invalid, nor can we find any language in the Primer which reasonably can be said to proscribe it. Indeed, at no point does the Primer make any effort to provide a specific definition of “leader”; rather, it appears that the term was taken for granted. The construction adopted by the Board, when properly supported, may well be a permissible ruling, but it is not one to be applied without prior notice.
[82]*82“We think an applicant for a radio license who either ignores or fails to understand clear and valid rules of the Commission respecting the requirements for an application assumes the risk that the application will not be acceptable for filing.”
[83]*83Even so, reversal and remand are not called for here since the Board additionally found that petitioner had totally failed to include in the survey of community leaders — however defined — any person in a position to bespeak the interests of the poor. J.A. 76, 48 FCC 2d at 1168. Although this finding is strenuously opposed by counsel for petitioner, we find that his objections are without merit and that the Board’s finding presents an independent basis for its denial of the application. The Board noted that 18.4 per cent of the families in the Corpus Christi area were below the poverty level, and accordingly found that the poor constituted a significant group. The Primer provides that failure to include a significant group in the community leader survey “would make the applicant’s showing defective, since those consulted would not reflect the composition of the community.” J.A. 15, 27 FCC. 2d at 684.
Petitioner now claims that this finding was lacking in fairness because it amounted to an unwarranted addition to the list of groups “required” to be contacted by an applicant, and that, therefore, he was without notice. This contention is without merit. Initially, we note that there is no such thing as a “required” list of groups to be consulted. The Primer assiduously avoids such rigidity in the recognition that communities differ in their composition.12
In some situations, not present here, there could be at least some plausibility in a submission that the guidelines are too broad and vague respecting just what constitutes a “significant” group. The word “group”, as used in the Primer, is “broad enough to include population segments, such as racial and ethnic groups, and informal groups, as well as groups with formal organization.” J.A. 14, 27 FCC 2d at 682. The determination of the “significance” of the group, which triggers the need for a leadership survey, “may rest on several criteria, including its size, its influence, or its lack of influence in the community.” J.A. 14, 27 FCC 2d at 683.
[84]*84In the particular circumstances of this case, however, petitioner’s claim of lack of notice must fail, for we find that there are sufficient references to the specific group found to be unrepresented in petitioner’s survey in the Report which accompanied the publication of the Primer and also in pre-Primer Commission precedent.13 The Commission on several occasions in the Report indicated its concern for the needs and problems confronted by the poor and welfare recipients. Clearly evinced was an intent to require “leadership surveys” in instances where the poor constitute a significant population grouping.14 Such an intent can also be found in FCC decisions issued prior to development of the Primer.15 Un[85]*85der these circumstances, we believe that adequate notice was provided petitioner that should the poor constitute a significant group in Corpus Christi he was required to consult with their “leaders” or “representatives”. Moreover, we believe that the Review Board’s determination that a group constituting nearly twenty per cent of an area’s population is significant was justified. Under the terms of the Primer the application was properly denied because of this “deficient” ascertainment showing.16 It was petitioner’s failure to show consultation with anyone arguably bespeaking the interests of Corpus Christi’s poor, and his claim that such consultations were not required by the Primer which lead us to this conclusion. Therefore, the problems we address with reference to the survey of Spanish-American “leaders” are not present.
B. The Petition for Amendment
A closer question is presented in petitioner’s claim that the Commission improperly denied Ms request to reopen the record for submission of a new ascertainment survey conducted in October 1973. It will be recalled that the survey materials contained in the record were two years old at the time of the request because of a Commission-imposed dormacy in the Corpus Christi proceeding. See, 32 FCC 2d 773 (1972); 31 FCC 2d 701 (1971). The Corpus Christi proceeding was free to move forward after July 16, 1973, 41 FCC 2d 835, and following conference with counsel, the ALJ set November 19, 1973, as the date for the filing of proposed findings. On November 12 counsel for Bamford requested a postponement of the filing date and a reopening of the record to allow submission of a new survey of community needs conducted sometime in October. The purported justification for this request was an asserted “on-going ascertainment” requirement of the Primer, and a need to overcome “the potentially disqualifying community needs issue.”17 The ALJ denied the petition on [86]*86the ground that Bamford had failed to show good cause as required by Section 1.522(b) of the Commission’s rules.18 Ten days later the ALJ denied a Petition for Reconsideration of those parts of the previous Order relating to the new survey, but granted the requested extension of time within which to file proposed findings. J.A. 60. The orders of the ALJ are far from being models of clarity, yet they allow for sufficient insight into the reasons for denial. Cf., Greater Boston Television Corporation v. F. C. C., 143 U.S.App.D.C. 383, 392-395, 444 F.2d 841, 850-853 (1970), cert. denied, 403 U.S. 923, 91 S.Ct. 2229, 29 L.Ed.2d 701 (1971). The claim of an on-going ascertainment requirement for a non-renewal applicant was rejected by the ALJ, and properly so since no such requirement exists in the Primer. We are constrained to state, however, that if the sole, or even primary, reason for the proposed amendment had been the need to update the old surveys so as accurately to present a current assessment of the community’s problems, we could not agree with the determination. The purpose of the ascertainment survey is to make the broadcaster aware of, and responsive to, community problems. Undoubtedly problems and needs change over a period of time, and if the survey and proposed responsive programming requirements are to have any meaning, they must be reasonably current — otherwise the survey becomes a fruitless exaltation of form over substance.
However, as we read the record, it appears to us that the ALJ concluded that petitioner was merely attempting to overcome the blatant deficiencies of the previous ascertainment efforts. Petitioner had candidly admitted in the petition that he was concerned over the “potentially disqualifying” ascertainment issues, and had re-emphasized this concern in his Petition for Reconsideration.19 Had this been petitioner’s first attempt to reopen the record following publication of the Primer, a different situation would be present. 27 FCC 2d at 680; see also, Risner Broadcasting Inc., 28 FCC 2d 330 (1971); cf., Sioux Empire Broadcasting Co., 16 FCC 2d 995 (1969). It was his third attempt, however, and under such circumstances we believe the denial was permissible.20
Judgment accordingly.