ALDRICH, Senior Circuit Judge.
Defendants Weber, Strimpel, Samsel, Mark Tice, Lewis, McDougal, Michael Tice, and Jackson were indicted, inter alia, for conspiracy to import, and to possess with intent to distribute, hashish in violation of 21 U.S.C. §§ 846 and 963. After commencement of a jury trial, defendants and government counsel entered into an agreement, approved by the court, to the following effect. Defendants would waive trial by jury and would submit to trial by the court upon certain- agreed facts and the testimony and exhibits which defendants had unsuccessfully moved to suppress before trial, and would stipulate that the evidence was sufficient to charge every defendant, but reserving the right of appeal from the court’s refusal to suppress. In return, the government agreed to dismiss the substantive counts, and to recommend certain sentences on the conspiracy count. Thereafter defendants were found guilty, and they appeal.1 No other errors are asserted. Because in two respects the motions to suppress should have been granted, we reverse, in part, as to four defendants, but otherwise affirm.
In connection with its action on the motions the court issued an extensive memorandum opinion, reciting the facts found as a result of an evidentiary hearing, together with its legal conclusions. Since this memorandum was not published, we will (a) summarize somewhat, but quote extensively therefrom;2 (b) note certain “facts” asserted by defendants, and their incorrectness; (c) summarize and supplement the district court’s rulings, and (d) deal with the two items, a walkie-talkie and a chart, that, as to some defendants, should have been suppressed.
The Facts
The operative events occurred on and near Little Machias Bay, Maine, on December 12 and 13, 1978.3 The bay, as shown on the Loran-lined edition to U.S. C. & G.S. chart No. 1201 in evidence4 is in reality a cove, % mile wide. It faces south, viz., the ocean, is open and exposed, and is without wharves or other facilities. Lying centrally off the bay, in deep water, are two small islets, known as Black Ledges. Two and a half miles to the east is the town of Cutler, with an excellent anchorage, and twenty miles to the east is the Canadian border. Two miles to the west, but cut off from it by islands and a point of land, is Machias Bay and a Naval pier and twenty miles to the west is the U.S. Coast Guard station at Jonesport.
The easterly side of Little Machias Bay terminates at Dennison Point. The Point is sparsely housed, partly cleared and partly wooded. At the end of the road, and fronting on Bear Cove, a small inlet from the bay, are a large house and outbuildings known as Hill Cottage. Coastal Warden MacKeen resided 200 yards inland from the Cottage. Other persons resided further back.
The cast of characters begins, however, with Special Agent Cunniff, of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, and Trooper Watkins, of the Maine Division of Special Investigations who worked in concert with him. During the late summer and fall these officers became interested in a Dodge Power Wagon 4 wheel drive pickup [555]*555truck with a covered camper cap, and a Chevrolet K-5 Blazer, both Maine registered, but with undiscoverable owners. The handwriting on both sets of purchase documents appeared similar, and both vehicles were seen at times on the Hill Cottage property. The Cottage had been purchased the year before by one Melrose, whose only mailing address was a Boston answering service, and who had never been seen. The property was currently occupied by a Lou and Linda Walker, the former proving ultimately to be defendant Weber. Weber told neighbors that he was a Nebraska carpenter who had answered an advertisement to occupy as a caretaker, and was leaving shortly.
The above facts, together with many others properly found by the court, showed a classic example, shoreside, of a drug smuggling set-up, and the court so finding cannot be faulted. On December 12, 1978 the ocean activity commenced. The night was clear and calm, with a bright moon. At about 9 P.M. another coastal warden, Allen, called MacKeen’s attention to
“a large black and white boat, later identified as the 135-foot seagoing tug Tusker of Panamanian registry, with its lights out, lying about a half mile off the point on the inland side of Black Ledge. ... The boat’s engines ran intermittently to maintain its position behind the ledge. While Allen continued to watch the boat, MacKeen returned to his house and notified the Coast Guard and the Maine State Police.
“[A]t 9:35 p.m. the Coast Guard station at Jonesport dispatched a 41-foot patrol boat under the command of Petty Officer Paul E. Laurent. Shortly thereafter, the 82-foot cutter Point Hannon was underway. By 10:33 p.m. the patrol boat had arrived in the area. Laurent had been instructed to remain out of sight behind an island, but by mistake he overshot the island and fell dead in the water at the mouth of Little Machias Bay. In that position the patrol boat was silhouetted against the sky and Laurent suspected that he had been seen in the bright moonlight. Laurent could see the Tusker without its lights on but could discern no details.”
Shortly before this another coastal warden, Fetterman “had observed a small boat, later determined to be a Zodiac inflatable rubber boat with a 15-horse-power outboard motor, operating without lights, with two occupants, come out of Little Machias Bay around Dennison Point and proceed to the Tusker. About five minutes later Fetterman saw the Zodiac, still without lights and with two occupants, depart the Tusker and head directly into Bear Cove. As the Zodiac was approaching the cove, the Coast Guard patrol boat turned on its lights and started toward the Tusker. Fetterman, and Cunniff and MacKeen, who had arrived at the shore, saw the Zodiac change its course and head toward the wooded area to the east of Bear Cove. After proceeding about 100 yards, it stopped briefly and something was thrown overboard.6 The Zodiac then moved into shore between two ledges, where the officers lost sight of it. They heard noises in the bushes which they took to be the occupants of the boat working their way through the underbrush. A few minutes later the Zodiac floated out from between the two ledges.7
“Fetterman, Cunniff and MacKeen went to the spot where the Zodiac had landed. There they found two sets of tracks beginning at the snow line marking the reach of high tide. Alongside the tracks they found a canvas bag. Cunniff searched the bag, which contained, along with food and camping supplies, two sheets of yellow legal paper listing supplies and equipment and including the notations ‘Mac’ and ‘blue p/u.’ Cunniff returned to MacKeen’s house. MacKeen and Fetterman set off to follow the tracks in the snow. After about 20 minutes at the end of the tracks, at a point where the underbrush impeded further progress, they found two men lying in sleeping bags. MacKeen and Fetterman arrested them for operating a boat with[556]*556out lights at night. See 12 Me.Rev.Stat. Ann. § 2074. The two men identified themselves as defendants Weber and Strimpel. MacKeen asked Weber if he was not ‘Lou Walker,’ but Weber insisted his name was Weber. The two men were searched, and a Zodiac air pressure gauge was found on Weber.”
Strimpel and Weber were taken to Machias and formally arrested for violation of the federal narcotics laws.
“In the meantime, the boarding party from the Coast Guard patrol boat, led by Petty Officer Laurent, had boarded the Tusker at about 11:00 p. m. As they approached the vessel, the party had noted that she was flying a foreign flag. Only three persons were found aboard: defendant Samsel, who identified himself as the master, and defendants Mark Tice and Lewis. Samsel stated that they had been en route from Norfolk, Virginia, to Nova Scotia and had pulled into Little Machias Bay because of a bad winter storm and mechanical difficulties with the steering and electrical systems. He produced the vessel’s Panamanian registration, which named ‘Ocean Survey and Study, Ltd.’ as the owner and gave a California telephone number.9 The boarding party copied the information they wanted from the registration and the crew’s seamen’s papers. Laurent and another member of the boarding party, accompanied by Samsel, then searched the vessel for marijuana bales. None were found.... No arrests were made, no [physical] evidence was taken, and the vessel was not seized. Samsel, however, stated that the Tusker needed to get into a port for repairs, and at his request the Point Hannon, which had arrived at about 11:15 p. m., escorted the Tusker into the Cutler Naval Station, where both vessels tied up at the Navy pier.
“Early the next morning, at about 6:00 a.m., Cunniff, accompanied by Vittum, MacKeen and two coastguardsmen, went to the Cutler Naval Station. Cunniff boarded the Tusker and opened the hatch leading to the main cabin. Without entering, he asked if anyone was there. He was answered by Samsel, who said, ‘Come on in’ and led the officers to the mess hall. Cunniff identified himself and those with him and asked Samsel to get the other two crewmembers, which he did. When all three — Samsel, Mark Tice and Lewis — were assembled in the mess area, Cunniff placed them under arrest for conspiracy to violate the federal narcotics laws, and he told them that the vessel was seized under 21 U.S.C. § 881. He then read them their rights from his Miranda card, omitting, however, the final question of whether they wished to waive their rights. Each defendant individually acknowledged that he understood each of his rights. After informing defendants of their rights, Cunniff did not ‘interrogate’ or ‘question’ them, but told them to go to their quarters and collect their personal belongings. Each defendant then went to his cabin, accompanied by an officer, and collected his belongings. While still aboard the boat, Samsel stated to Cunniff that the Tusker had come from Singapore; that her last port of call had been Norfolk; and that they had had mechanical difficulties and he was concerned about traveling further without repairs. Lewis said the Tusker had had water and heating problems. When Cunniff asked Lewis what he did, Lewis stated that he was the boat’s bursar, that he was a retired Navy jet pilot, and that he had not thrown anything overboard. Mark Tice stated that he was the engineer of the boat and that he did not know where they had been, where they were going, or why they were in Maine, because he spent so much time below deck. He also stated that Samsel would obtain instructions by calling the managing company, Ocean Research. The three defendants were then driven to [557]*557the Washington County Sheriff’s office in Vittum’s car. On the drive to Machias, Samsel stated that Michael Tice and Jackson had been on the boat and had left two days earlier in a Zodiac with a 15-horsepower engine.10
Footnote 10 reads as follows.
This seizure included the 1201 chart, Exhibit 8.
Later Michael Tice and Jackson were stopped in a blue pickup driven by McDougal and arrested, and after some conversation McDougal was also arrested.5
“The three defendants and the truck were taken to the Federal Building in Bangor, where the men were taken to the jail facilities and the truck was parked and locked in the garage. The men were only questioned to the extent necessary for booking. The truck was returned to the rental agency. Prior to doing so, Drinan removed the tires and rainslicker from the truck. In the Marshal’s office he found a walkie-talkie radio rolled up in the slicker.12 During the booking of McDougal, Drinan asked if there was anything that McDougal wanted to recover from the truck before it was returned to the agency. McDougal said he wanted the aluminum case in the front seat, which was his and which contained expensive photographic equipment. Drinan retrieved the case. He then asked McDougal to give him a receipt itemizing the camera equipment. McDougal opened the case and Drinan removed each item, listing each on a receipt, which McDougal signed. While doing this, Drinan noticed a bulge in the foam lining of the case which was not glued in place. From behind the lining he removed a kitchen knife, a manila envelope, and three topographical maps of the Dennison Point area that had been folded to fit together. He opened the manila envelope, which was not sealed, and found two sealed envelopes addressed to a Michael Panier, San Diego, California.13 The items found behind the foam lining were seized by Drinan.
“Over the next three days, 16 metal canisters, each measuring approximately 10" by 10" by 20" containing hashish,.and weighing between 50 and 75 pounds each, were found in various shore and sea areas in the vicinity of Little Machias Bay and Cutler Harbor. Two more canisters were found in March 1979 on Deer Island, about a mile east of Bear Cove in Little Machias Bay. The first eight canisters were found by a fisherman on the morning of December 13, but the officers did not learn of the discovery until after all the defendants had been arrested. The canisters were seized and opened by the government without warrants.
“On December 14 Steadman executed a search warrant issued by a United States Magistrate for the Tusker. No hashish or other contraband was found, but Stead-man seized navigational equipment, charts and other papers.
The Fantasies (Quotations are from defendants’ brief.)
I. The Tusker was a “damaged ... vessel [that] sought refuge in a small town’s [558]*558harbor,” elsewhere referred to as “Little Machias Harbor.”
In fact, there was no town. Little Machias Bay was neither a harbor nor an appropriate place of refuge, particularly in light of the proximity of Cutler Harbor, unless a vessel had lost all possibility of movement. This was conspicuously not the case. The reason the Tusker appeared not to have cabin lights was because her ports had been shielded with foil.
II. “Mechanical difficulties and inclement weather necessitated the stop in Little Machias Bay.”
If there had been inclement weather, it was over. It was undisputed that it was a “very calm night.”
III. The actions of the Zodiac’s crew were “innocuous and consistent with the behavior of a concerned neighbor motoring out to offer assistance to a distressed vessel.” They “motored out to inquire . . . since their vessel appeared to be in distress.”
Viewed from the shore the only conceivable sign of distress was that the vessel was without lights — surely not enough to evoke sizable concern from local residents, even the most generous minded. Moreover, the Zodiac was not known to belong to any resident, the bay being without boats, wharves, or other facilities.
•IV. The Tusker was a “marginally operable vessel” and it could not be inferred that she “had crossed the border ... since the nearest border is at least 100 miles north of Little Machias Bay, and not within [her] range.”
The Tusker was a 135' ocean going tug. At the original boarding Samsel, as master, stated they were en route from Norfolk, Virginia to Nova Scotia. The Canadian border was 20 miles, not 100 miles, distant. Moreover, as counsel must know, since they cite United States v. Zurosky, post, the relevant border is between territorial and international waters. In this instance this was some 3V2 miles.
V. “It was not controverted that there were other vessels present that evening from which it is just as likely that the contraband originated. . . . ”
It was not “controverted” because there was no evidence of any other vessels, likely sources or otherwise.
That counsel, not inadvertently during oral argument, but deliberately, in a brief, should make such unsupported statements of purported fact raises serious disciplinary questions in our minds. At the least, it means that we must seriously question defendants’ brief from cover to cover.
Summary
In sum, there was no apparent reason for the Tusker to be where she was, when she was, or for the Zodiac to put out to her, except as a drug or other smuggling operation; drugs being the most likely. Even on the most innocent view, the Zodiac was operating illegally without lights, as it cannot be said that, coming from the shore, she fell within the exempt classifications of a foreign vessel, or a lifeboat. 46 U.S.C. § 1453(c)(1) and (4). With this introduction we approach the issues raised in defendants’ motions to suppress.
Standing
Although the court first dealt with questions of standing of particular defendants with respect to particular matters, we will leave this until later, and merely list at the outset certain items as to which no one had a sufficient personal interest to object. See generally Rakas v. Illinois, 1978, 439 U.S. 128, 99 S.Ct. 421, 58 L.Ed.2d 387, United States v. Salvucci, 1980, 448 U.S. 83, 100 S.Ct. 2547, 65 L.Ed.2d 619. The court could properly find that defendants abandoned the Zodiac, the canvas bag found near the spot where the Zodiac had landed, and the box of radio equipment found in the adjacent waters. Cf. United States v. Mustone, 1 Cir., 1972, 469 F.2d 970, 972. While the court assumed standing as to some defendants with respect to the floating canisters containing hashish discovered subsequent to all of the arrests, we see no basis for that assumption, it being apparent that the canisters, if coming from the Tusker, were jettisoned upon the lawful approach of the [559]*559Coast Guard, as distinguished from being put overboard as a convenience in connection with off-loading. But even if some defendants could claim a possessory interest, that would no longer entitle them to standing in the absence of a legitimate expectation of privacy. United States v. Salvucci, ante.
The December 12 boarding of the Tusker
The court found the initial boarding of the Tusker a legitimate border search. The correctness, of this does not require discussion, as plainly the Coast Guard could reasonably conclude she had come from international waters. 19 U.S.C. § 1581(a); Almeida-Sanchez v. United States, 1973, 413 U.S. 266, 272-73, 93. S.Ct. 2535, 2539, 37 L.Ed.2d 596; United States v. Zurosky, 1 Cir., 1979, 614 F.2d 779, 787-88, cert. denied, 446 U.S. 967, 100 S.Ct. 2945, 64 L.Ed.2d 826. See generally Note, High on the Seas: Drug Smuggling, The Fourth Amendment, and Warrantless Searches at Sea, 93 Harv.L.Rev. 725, 731-38 (1980). Since probable cause existed, we need not pursue the correctness of the Fifth Circuit’s analysis of United States v. Ramsey, 1977, 431 U.S. 606, 97 S.Ct. 1972, 52 L.Ed.2d 617, in United States v. Williams, 5 Cir., 1980, 617 F.2d 1063 (en banc).
The arrest of Weber and Strimpel
By following footprints through the snow from where the Zodiac had landed, MacKeen and Fetterman came upon Weber and Strimpel lying in the woods in sleeping bags. They arrested them for a boating violation, viz., running without lights. Defendants contend this was excessive response to a misdemeanor, and merely a pretext. We need not pursue this matter; the officers had objective grounds for treating these defendants differently from the average offender of the boating laws. United States v. McCambridge, 1 Cir., 1977, 551 F.2d 865, 870. Their connection with the Tusker and her probable intent was manifest, and because they had left and were seeking to escape, it was proper to take them into custody. United States v. Miller, 1 Cir., 1978, 589 F.2d 1117, 1128, cert. denied, 440 U.S. 958, 99 S.Ct. 1499, 59 L.Ed.2d 771.
The December 18, 6:00 A.M. entry on the Tusker
No contraband had been found on the Tusker on December 12. However, as previously stated, at the time of the Coast Guard’s approaching, parties on shore had heard a series of splashes which could well have been hasty disposition of objects. At 6:00 the next morning, while she was tied up to the Naval pier, Cunniff and several others boarded the vessel and arrested Samsel, Mark Tice, and Lewis. Defendants complain that, procedurally, the agents did not sufficiently knock, or identify themselves before being invited in. On the facts found by the court, ante,6 to which we add the fact that this was quite evidently a Naval pier not open to the public, the court was warranted in finding no violation and sufficient consent. United States v. Miller, ante; United States v. Bradley, 1 Cir., 1972, 455 F.2d 1181, 1185, aff’d, 410 U.S. 605, 93 S.Ct. 1151, 35 L.Ed.2d 528; Robbins v. MacKenzie, 1 Cir., 1966, 364 F.2d 45, cert. denied, 385 U.S. 913, 87 S.Ct. 215, 17 L.Ed.2d 140.
The December 13 6:00 A.M. search of the Tusker
The entry resulting in the arrest of the defendants was justified, but the government has shown only consent to enter. Consent to enter is not consent to search, particularly not to search the entire [560]*560vessel, notably that portion far removed from where defendants were, where the chart, Exhibit 8, was found. Consent to enter the mess area did not signify consent to search the wheelhouse. Cf. Walter v. United States, 1980, 447 U.S. 649, 656-57, 100 S.Ct. 2395, 2401, 65 L.Ed.2d 410 (dicta) (consent to search a garage does not imply consent to search an adjoining house), Commonwealth v. Shaw, 1978, 476 Pa. 543, 383 A.2d 496 (consent merely to enter does not authorize going to second floor). The government’s burden of showing so broad a consent was not met. Cf. Robbins v. Mackenzie, ante.
Without consent, the warrantless search and seizure was unlawful unless it was justified by a specific exception to the warrant requirement. E. g., Coolidge v. New Hampshire, 1971, 403 U.S. 443, 454-55, 91 S.Ct. 2022, 2031-2032, 29 L.Ed.2d 564; United States v. Miller, ante. Whether the exceptions are still “jealously drawn,” Jones v. United States, 1958, 357 U.S. 493, 499, 78 S.Ct. 1253, 1257, 2 L.Ed.2d 1514, may be debated, but they have not swallowed the rule, and we find none applicable here. The search was not incident to the arrests, as the wheelhouse was by no means within the control or reachable area of the defendants, Chimel v. California, 1969, 395 U.S. 752, 89 S.Ct. 2034, 23 L.Ed.2d 685, and a vessel on which persons are living, tied up at a Naval pier, and effectively guarded, is not comparable to an automobile on the highway. Cf. Chambers v. Maroney, 1970, 399 U.S. 42, 90 S.Ct. 1975, 26 L.Ed.2d 419. It does not appear that the chart was truly in plain view, Coolidge v. New Hampshire, ante, 403 U.S. at 467-68, 91 S.Ct. at 2038-39, but in any event the officers were not legitimately in the wheelhouse, where they went, independently, after defendants had collected their belongings from the crew’s quarters. Taking, charts was manifestly a search for evidence, and not to be justified as the inventory search permitted in connection with seizure of the vessel under 21 U.S.C. § 881. United States v. Pappas, 1 Cir., 1979, 613 F.2d 324, 331. Nor was the chart subject to destruction, Chimel v. California, ante, as the ship was being vacated, and would be watched.
The government having stipulated that Samsel, Mark Tice, and Lewis have “standing” to object to the search, we will address the issue no further, but hold that the rights of all three crew members were violated, although we might have reached a different conclusion as to Mark Tice, who denied any connection with navigation, and Lewis, who also may have had none. Of course the warrantless search did not violate the rights of the three defendants who were at no time crew members, nor those of Michael Tice and Jackson, who had left the ship and had no legitimate privacy interest in the area searched.
The arrest of Jackson and Michael Tice
Having learned, from the Tusker’s crew list, of Jackson and Michael Tice, government agents arrested them in a blue pickup (in turn, learned of from the canvas bag). To the extent that this knowledge, plainly sufficient to constitute probable cause, may have come from violating the rights of persons aboard the Tusker, it did not violate theirs, and they have no standing to complain. United States ex rel. Wright v. Cuyler, 3 Cir., 1977, 563 F.2d 627, 632; United States ex rel. Cardaio v. Casscles, 2 Cir., 1971, 446 F.2d 632; see Alderman v. United States, 1965, 394 U.S. 165, 171-76, 89 S.Ct. 961, 965-68, 22 L.Ed.2d 176.
The arrest, etc. of McDougal
Although the court made extensive findings about McDougal, who was driving the blue pickup when the agents stopped it to arrest Jackson and Michael Tice, the only complaints made on his behalf in defendants’ original brief, outside of the general and utterly frivolous one that there was no right to take any action with respect to any defendant until the discovery of the canisters, were two: that he was arrested without probable cause, and that his camera case was excessively searched.
Taking the latter first, the search of McDougal’s camera case to inventory its contents was consented to. The agent was not required to close his eyes to a good faith [561]*561discovery of something behind the lining. Frazier v. Cupp (1969) 394 U.S. 731, 740, 89 S.Ct. 1420, 1425, 22 L.Ed.2d 684. Cf. United States v. Jeffers, 7 Cir., 1975, 524 F.2d 253, 255-56. We again refuse to hold “that expressions of consent relieve the officer of the need of obtaining a warrant only when the speaker is not aware that the search will disclose damaging evidence.” Leavitt v. Howard, 1 Cir., 1972, 462 F.2d 992, 998, cert. denied, 409 U.S. 884, 93 S.Ct. 175, 34 L.Ed.2d 140.
As to the arrest, it is black letter law that an improper arrest does not vitiate a conviction. See, e. g., Menard v. Mitchell, D.C.Cir., 1970, 430 F.2d 486, 491 n.26. Further, the court’s finding of probable cause was justified. In addition to his being with Jackson and Tice, the officers had the canvas bag reference to “blue p/u” and “Mac,” both of which could well point to McDougal. In the truck were eight tires, four oversize, which the officers testified to being suspicious. The total would seem sufficient quite apart from McDougal’s statement of having picked up Jackson and Tice as hitchhikers, which the officers had good cause to believe false.
In defendants’ reply brief it was sought to argue that McDougal’s pre-arrest statements should have been suppressed because he was not given Miranda warnings. This was too late, except for clear error. F.R.Cr.P. 52(b). We do not, however, regard it as even error. To ask a driver’s connection with his passengers was not merely “routine,” but understandable and straightforward. See United States v. Pratt, 1 Cir., 1981, 645 F.2d 89, 90-91. No Miranda warnings were called for.
The search of Jackson’s rainslicker
An hour after the arrest of the three occupants, the officers removed the contents of the rented blue pickup before returning it to its owner. These included, from the back, Jackson’s rolled-up rainslicker. This they unrolled, finding a walkietalkie. Unlike the unlawful early morning search of the Tusker even while a warrant to search it lawfully was being sought, with no cause for urgency, and the mishandling that exposed the patrol boat, permitting the jettisoning of the canisters, this action was understandable. Before the Court’s all-embracing definition of containers and its rejection in ,the plurality opinion in Robbins v. California, (1981) 453 U.S. 420, 101 S.Ct. 2841, 69 L.Ed.2d 744, of our view of the importance of inquiring into expectations of privacy, e. g., United States v. Goshorn, 1 Cir., 1980, 628 F.2d 697, the officers might reasonably have thought their unrolling the slicker permissible without a warrant. Now, however, we feel obliged to hold it was not.
In Robbins the plurality opinion,7 (all quotations are from 453 U.S. 426, 101 S.Ct. 2846) criticized various lower court cases “that have drawn a distinction between pieces of sturdy luggage, like suitcases, and flimsier containers, like cardboard boxes.” It went on to say, “What one person may put into a suitcase, another may put into a paper bag.” The test of “container” was simply whether it was “closed [and] opaque.”8
This definition, particularly the opaqueness, met the expeetation-of-privacy re[562]*562quirement. If one could see through, or, alternatively, know the contents from a tell-tale shape, there could be no such expectation; otherwise, the objective test was met by the fact that the container was “closed.”
There was no suggestion that the officers could tell what was inside the rainslicker before unrolling, and the presumption would be to the contrary in the absence of such. Equally, there was no suggestion that the discovery was inadvertent. Contrary to our dissenting brother’s posit, we do not envisage as a proscribed container a mere fold that could be expected to lead to a revelation in the normal course of handling. If “normal course of handling” does not create a totally bright line, it seems clearly sharper than a general rule where the police, and ultimately the court, will reach factual conclusions as to the owner’s intent. It is true that in Robbins the plastic bags were fastened, and the slicker was not. However, we think it would be making fine, and harmful, distinctions to inquire into the subjective purpose of the extent of the closure. Arguably, a string around a rolled-up slicker could be intended to increase the physical protection, not the privacy. The Robbins “bright line” definition and purpose, however, would be blurred by introducing such questions of subjective intent. We hold that if what is within, or enclosed, in another object cannot be objectively known, or at least reasonably believed to be known, by external inspection, without opening or undoing that object, a warrant is needed to discover it, in the true sense of the word, unless the case falls within some recognized exception. There was none here. A warrant should have been sought, and the walkie-talkie was not admissible against Jackson.
The effect of the illegal seizures.
Had there been a normal trial, the defendants’ central defense would have been that the Tusker’s presence at Little Machias Bay was inadvertent, due to electrical, etc. failure. As already indicated, the evidence seems overwhelmingly to the contrary. However, perhaps the most individually damning evidence was Exhibit 8, the copy of chart 1201 found in the wheelhouse. On it the mouth of Little Machias Bay was designated with a red spot, with a course leading to it. Had this appeal followed a trial in the ordinary manner and had this chart been improperly admitted, the other evidence was so strong that even such a clincher might possibly have been found merely cumulative and nonprejudicial within the rule of Chapman v. California, 1967, 386 U.S. 18, 22, 87 S.Ct. 824, 827, 17 L.Ed.2d 705. Rather clearly this would seem so as to Jackson’s walkie-talkie. However, this is not what occurred. Defendants’ stipulations and waivers were made on the assumption and condition not merely that their right of appeal was preserved,9 but that the evidence was properly admissible against them. In fairness, this should mean all the evidence. The Seventh Circuit and two important state courts, in well-considered opinions, have held that a court has no right to decide for a defendant that his decision (in those instances, to plead guilty) would have been the same had the evidence the court considers harmless not been present. Jones v. Wisconsin, 7 Cir., 1977, 562 F.2d 440, 445-46; People v. Grant, 1978, 45 N.Y.2d 366, 378-80, 380 N.E.2d 257, 408 N.Y.S.2d 429; People v. Hill, 1974, 12 Cal.3d 731, 117 Cal.Rptr. 393, 528 P.2d 1, 29-30. See also State v. Monahan, 1977, 76 Wis.2d 387, 251 N.W.2d 421, [563]*563426 (decided without discussion).10 We agree. It follows that Jackson is entitled to vacate his stipulation and have a new trial without evidence of the walkie-talkie, and Samsel, Mark Tice and Lewis, a new trial without use of the chart. If they elect to do so, the government’s stipulations, by their terms, will be equally vacated. The court’s actions on the motions to suppress are otherwise affirmed, and the convictions of Weber, Strimpel, McDougal and Michael Tice are affirmed, as their rights were not invaded. Bakas v. Illinois, ante.