Justice HECHT,
joined by Justice MEDINA and Justice WILLETT, dissenting.
The morning was clear and hot, the sun brightly shining, as the 18-wheeler sand- and-gravel truck lumbered along the rough dirt road from the main highway over to the Dolen sand pit. Behind the wheel sat David Perry, 36. For seven years, he had been driving rigs for Campbell Concrete & Materials, L.P. That day, his job was hauling sand from the Dolen pit to Campbell’s ready-mix concrete plant about an hour away.
TXI Operations, L.P. owned the Dolen sand pit and maintained the three-mile dirt road that ran from the highway through the woods to the facility. Trucks would enter the sand pit, load, weigh at the scale house, and then leave the way they came in. The road was wide enough for trucks to pass each other coming and going. Eight to twelve thousand trucks a year went in and out. The day Perry was injured, seventy trucks crossed the scales, thirty-seven of them driven by twelve Campbell truckers, three by Perry himself.
The heavy 18-wheelers — each weighed some 30,000 pounds empty and 80,000 pounds loaded — were hard on the road, especially when it was wet. The road was rough as a scrub board and filled with potholes. TXI graded the road regularly, though not frequently enough to suit the drivers, who often complained about how bumpy it was, to little avail. TXI encouraged truckers to slow down, especially on blind curves, posting speed limit signs from 15 mph to 25 mph along the road.
Jeff Casey, a Campbell driver, testified: “We ran that road so much that we kind of knew where the [rough] areas were, but right there at the cattle guard, it was always a little bit worse right there.” The cattle guard to which he referred was toward the end of the road, not far from the sand pit and scale house. The road up to the cattle guard ran straight for half a mile or so. The cattle guard was only one truck wide and plainly visible. Stretched indolently in front of the cattle guard, as one entered the plant, lay a large pothole. The day of Perry’s accident, the pothole was nine inches deep (other days it was deeper) and wide enough that a truck could not avoid it and still get through the cattle guard. TXI’s posted speed limit there was 15 mph, although a trucker could not drive an empty truck even 10 mph through the pothole without being bounced around the cab and risking injury. But in fact, no one was injured, ever. Scores of truckers crossed the cattle guard thousands of times without injury, except for one fateful day in May.
Perry first crossed the cattle guard in his empty truck a little before 10:30 a.m. He was running with Casey, who was driving the truck right ahead of him. The two trucks loaded, weighed, and left, crossing the cattle guard on their way out. About two hours later they returned with Casey again in the lead, crossing the cattle guard as before, both on their way in and on their way out. At 3:00 p.m., they were back, this time with Perry in the lead. At the cattle guard, he hit the pothole going 10-15 mph and bounced the truck, jamming his head into the roof of the cab. He radioed back to Casey, who had seen Perry’s truck bounce, telling him what had happened. The two continued on to the plant, loaded, weighed, and left without further incident.
Perry did not report his injury for several weeks. Three days before the two-[767]*767year statute of limitations would have run, he sued TXI for his injuries.1
Generally — with an exception I discuss below — a person who knows that a condition of his property poses an unreasonable risk of harm to invitees must use ordinary care to protect them from danger, either by adequately warning them or making the condition reasonably safe.2 The Court holds that there is evidence in this case that TXI failed to discharge this duty to Perry. I respectfully disagree.
TXI does not challenge, so therefore I must assume, that potholes in dirt roads leading to sand pits present an unreasonable risk of harm to experienced 18-wheel-er sand-and-gravel haulers. This, of course, is preposterous. Potholes pock the surface of the civilized world. If potholes — all but yawning chasms capable of suddenly swallowing up an entire vehicle— posed an unreasonable risk of harm to anyone, let alone experienced and reasonably careful drivers, whole swaths of civilization would have to be closed off to human traffic. Manhattan would be the first to shut down, but no city, town, or village would escape. Across the planet, ground transportation would be brought to a halt. Commerce would cease. The end could not be averted by posting adequate warnings. Signs at city limits — Warning! Potholes! — would hardly be adequate. Each pothole would require its own warning sign. Even if available resources could supply enough signs, warnings that unreasonable danger is everywhere provide no warning that it is anywhere in particular.
Potholes do pose a risk of harm, no question. But the risk is simply not an unreasonable one unless the pothole is one of those rare, menacing kinds that lure unsuspecting travelers into danger. The potholes that permeated the dirt road to the Dolen sand pit were all of the ordinary variety. As one Campbell driver testified, they were “all up and down the road”. Nothing about the one at the cattle guard posed a significantly greater risk of harm than any of the others. To the contrary, because the pothole was usually there, and did not, in the words of one driver, “sneak[ ] up on you”, as potholes are sometimes wont to do, drivers knew to be careful, and were careful, as they necessarily slowed to cross over the narrow cattle guard. Casey testified that the road was not dangerous: “whenever the road was bad,” he said, “we all knew to slow it down”. Another Campbell driver, asked why he did not consider the pothole at the cattle guard dangerous, stated:
Why would I consider it not dangerous? I mean, it wasn’t, it wasn’t dangerous, no. It was not dangerous. It was a pothole; but if you hit it just right, yeah, it would jar you.
But as I say, TXI does not argue that the pothole did not pose an unreasonable risk of harm, so I turn to the argument TXI does make: that its warning, a 15 mph maximum speed limit sign, was adequate under the circumstances. The Court seems to think that a posted 15 mph speed limit means that a person can safely drive up to 15 mph no matter what. After Perry sued, TXI restaged the accident using the same truck Perry was driving the day he was injured. The test driver hit a pothole like the one Perry had described at 10 mph and hit his head in the cab. So [768]*768if the speed limit sign means what the Court seems to think it does, then there is some evidence to support the jury’s finding that the warning was inadequate.
But that is not what a maximum speed limit sign means. Texas law provides that “[a] speed in excess of [legal limits] is prima facie evidence that the speed is not reasonable and prudent and that the speed is unlawful.”3 The inverse is not true: a speed below the legal limit is not, prima facie, reasonable and prudent. To the contrary, Texas law provides that, regardless of any maximum speed limit set by law, “[a]n operator ... may not drive a vehicle at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the conditions and having regard for actual and potential hazards then existing”.4 Courts uniformly hold that a vehicle’s speed may be excessive even though it is below the posted limit.5
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Justice HECHT,
joined by Justice MEDINA and Justice WILLETT, dissenting.
The morning was clear and hot, the sun brightly shining, as the 18-wheeler sand- and-gravel truck lumbered along the rough dirt road from the main highway over to the Dolen sand pit. Behind the wheel sat David Perry, 36. For seven years, he had been driving rigs for Campbell Concrete & Materials, L.P. That day, his job was hauling sand from the Dolen pit to Campbell’s ready-mix concrete plant about an hour away.
TXI Operations, L.P. owned the Dolen sand pit and maintained the three-mile dirt road that ran from the highway through the woods to the facility. Trucks would enter the sand pit, load, weigh at the scale house, and then leave the way they came in. The road was wide enough for trucks to pass each other coming and going. Eight to twelve thousand trucks a year went in and out. The day Perry was injured, seventy trucks crossed the scales, thirty-seven of them driven by twelve Campbell truckers, three by Perry himself.
The heavy 18-wheelers — each weighed some 30,000 pounds empty and 80,000 pounds loaded — were hard on the road, especially when it was wet. The road was rough as a scrub board and filled with potholes. TXI graded the road regularly, though not frequently enough to suit the drivers, who often complained about how bumpy it was, to little avail. TXI encouraged truckers to slow down, especially on blind curves, posting speed limit signs from 15 mph to 25 mph along the road.
Jeff Casey, a Campbell driver, testified: “We ran that road so much that we kind of knew where the [rough] areas were, but right there at the cattle guard, it was always a little bit worse right there.” The cattle guard to which he referred was toward the end of the road, not far from the sand pit and scale house. The road up to the cattle guard ran straight for half a mile or so. The cattle guard was only one truck wide and plainly visible. Stretched indolently in front of the cattle guard, as one entered the plant, lay a large pothole. The day of Perry’s accident, the pothole was nine inches deep (other days it was deeper) and wide enough that a truck could not avoid it and still get through the cattle guard. TXI’s posted speed limit there was 15 mph, although a trucker could not drive an empty truck even 10 mph through the pothole without being bounced around the cab and risking injury. But in fact, no one was injured, ever. Scores of truckers crossed the cattle guard thousands of times without injury, except for one fateful day in May.
Perry first crossed the cattle guard in his empty truck a little before 10:30 a.m. He was running with Casey, who was driving the truck right ahead of him. The two trucks loaded, weighed, and left, crossing the cattle guard on their way out. About two hours later they returned with Casey again in the lead, crossing the cattle guard as before, both on their way in and on their way out. At 3:00 p.m., they were back, this time with Perry in the lead. At the cattle guard, he hit the pothole going 10-15 mph and bounced the truck, jamming his head into the roof of the cab. He radioed back to Casey, who had seen Perry’s truck bounce, telling him what had happened. The two continued on to the plant, loaded, weighed, and left without further incident.
Perry did not report his injury for several weeks. Three days before the two-[767]*767year statute of limitations would have run, he sued TXI for his injuries.1
Generally — with an exception I discuss below — a person who knows that a condition of his property poses an unreasonable risk of harm to invitees must use ordinary care to protect them from danger, either by adequately warning them or making the condition reasonably safe.2 The Court holds that there is evidence in this case that TXI failed to discharge this duty to Perry. I respectfully disagree.
TXI does not challenge, so therefore I must assume, that potholes in dirt roads leading to sand pits present an unreasonable risk of harm to experienced 18-wheel-er sand-and-gravel haulers. This, of course, is preposterous. Potholes pock the surface of the civilized world. If potholes — all but yawning chasms capable of suddenly swallowing up an entire vehicle— posed an unreasonable risk of harm to anyone, let alone experienced and reasonably careful drivers, whole swaths of civilization would have to be closed off to human traffic. Manhattan would be the first to shut down, but no city, town, or village would escape. Across the planet, ground transportation would be brought to a halt. Commerce would cease. The end could not be averted by posting adequate warnings. Signs at city limits — Warning! Potholes! — would hardly be adequate. Each pothole would require its own warning sign. Even if available resources could supply enough signs, warnings that unreasonable danger is everywhere provide no warning that it is anywhere in particular.
Potholes do pose a risk of harm, no question. But the risk is simply not an unreasonable one unless the pothole is one of those rare, menacing kinds that lure unsuspecting travelers into danger. The potholes that permeated the dirt road to the Dolen sand pit were all of the ordinary variety. As one Campbell driver testified, they were “all up and down the road”. Nothing about the one at the cattle guard posed a significantly greater risk of harm than any of the others. To the contrary, because the pothole was usually there, and did not, in the words of one driver, “sneak[ ] up on you”, as potholes are sometimes wont to do, drivers knew to be careful, and were careful, as they necessarily slowed to cross over the narrow cattle guard. Casey testified that the road was not dangerous: “whenever the road was bad,” he said, “we all knew to slow it down”. Another Campbell driver, asked why he did not consider the pothole at the cattle guard dangerous, stated:
Why would I consider it not dangerous? I mean, it wasn’t, it wasn’t dangerous, no. It was not dangerous. It was a pothole; but if you hit it just right, yeah, it would jar you.
But as I say, TXI does not argue that the pothole did not pose an unreasonable risk of harm, so I turn to the argument TXI does make: that its warning, a 15 mph maximum speed limit sign, was adequate under the circumstances. The Court seems to think that a posted 15 mph speed limit means that a person can safely drive up to 15 mph no matter what. After Perry sued, TXI restaged the accident using the same truck Perry was driving the day he was injured. The test driver hit a pothole like the one Perry had described at 10 mph and hit his head in the cab. So [768]*768if the speed limit sign means what the Court seems to think it does, then there is some evidence to support the jury’s finding that the warning was inadequate.
But that is not what a maximum speed limit sign means. Texas law provides that “[a] speed in excess of [legal limits] is prima facie evidence that the speed is not reasonable and prudent and that the speed is unlawful.”3 The inverse is not true: a speed below the legal limit is not, prima facie, reasonable and prudent. To the contrary, Texas law provides that, regardless of any maximum speed limit set by law, “[a]n operator ... may not drive a vehicle at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the conditions and having regard for actual and potential hazards then existing”.4 Courts uniformly hold that a vehicle’s speed may be excessive even though it is below the posted limit.5 Perry could not argue that a 15 mph speed limit posted by public authorities licensed him to drive up to 15 mph regardless of the circumstances, and there is no more basis for the argument simply because the speed limit was posted by TXI. Indeed, Casey, the Campbell driver Perry was running with, testified that the speed limit signs only told him “more or less just to be watchful”. Perry testified that he thought a posted speed limit signaled that a slower speed was safe, but tellingly, he could not recall what the speed limit was at the cattle guard, and he did not testify that he looked over at the speed limit sign and thought to himself, “I can drive that fast safely, no matter what.”
It was not feasible, of course, for TXI to post speed limits that were safe under all conditions because road conditions were constantly changing. When the road was graded, it was smoother. When it rained, the road surface was worse. The 40-ton trucks constantly lumbering over the road tore into its surface. A safe speed on a dry, flat road would not be safe on a rough, wet one, and no one could reason[769]*769ably expect truckers to drive as slowly on good stretches of road as they had to on bad stretches. As a practical matter, the warnings TXI gave were the only ones it could give: slow down to a speed that allows actual road conditions to be assessed.
Moreover, TXI’s speed signs actually worked. Truckers drove through the potholes without incident. Had Perry driven up to the cattle guard the first time, noted the 15 mph speed limit sign, thought to himself that the sign assured a safe speed, driven through the pothole, and been injured, he could at least argue that the sign misled him. But that is not, according to him, what happened. Perry, like all the other truckers on the road to the Dolen sand pit, slowed to where the bumps could be navigated safely. Nor is there evidence that any driver ever drove the road thinking, contrary to law and reason, that the posted speed was safe, regardless of the circumstances. In all of the thousands of times truckers crossed the cattle guard, there is no evidence of a single injury, except Perry’s. And Perry himself crossed the cattle guard four times in five hours without incident the same day he was injured.
The Court concludes that reasonable minds can disagree about whether TXI’s speed limit gave adequate warning of the dangers of the cattle guard pothole when there was one accident in thousands of crossings. What warning could no reasonable person think inadequate? Here, the Court is a little vague. A “be careful” warning will not do, the Court says, because it is too general.6 The speed limit sign was inadequate, according to the Court, even though it did not “necessarily mean the driver should expect the posted limit to be a safe speed under all circumstances”,7 because it did not “identify the particular hazard”8 For goodness’ sake, the “particular hazard” was a plain old ■pothole, not a cliff overhanging the ocean. So should warning signs be site-specific, one per pothole? Maybe something like:
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Scores, maybe hundreds, would have been required on this one short road alone. This probably would not satisfy the Court:
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Editor’s Note: The preceding image contains the reference for footnote 9.
Since “[r]ural unpaved roads with potholes at cattle guards are quite common in this state”,10 as the Court acknowledges, one cannot help but wonder why any warning at all is required. But if warnings must be given, owners should be told straight out what is adequate, so they can ensure safety and avoid liability. On this rather important subject the Court offers nothing helpful. I guess we’ll know an adequate warning when we see it.
If TXI was required to warn of rough conditions on its road, I think the warnings it gave were adequate as a matter of law. There is also another reason, besides the fact that the potholes posed no unreasonable risk of harm, why no warning was required: road conditions were open and obvious. Perry argues that in Parker v. Highland Park, Inc.,11 we discarded the principle that there is no duty to warn of open and obvious conditions, even when the risk of danger is fully apparent and avoidable, because a plaintiffs failure to avoid injury due to an open an obvious condition is no more than one factor to be taken into account in comparing and assessing the responsibility of both the plaintiff and the defendant. As we explained long ago, that argument over-reads Parker.
In Parker, an elderly lady visiting friends in an upstairs apartment left after dark and fell, attempting to descend an unlit stairwell. She sued the owner of the apartment complex, alleging that the dark stairwell was an unreasonably dangerous condition. The owner countered that it owed her no duty of care because the darkness in the stairwell was open and obvious.12 We rejected the argument, holding that liability should be determined under principles of contributory negligence and comparative responsibility.13
The flaw in the no-duty argument in Parker was that the stairwell was made no less dangerous by the fact that the darkness was open and obvious. The plaintiff and her hosts all tried to exercise caution, descending together slowly with a flashlight, but the plaintiff fell anyway because of an unseen step.14In such circumstances, a premises owner is not excused from liability merely because the risk of danger was open and obvious. The obviousness of the risk did not allow the plaintiff to avoid it. It remains a general rule, however, [771]*771that a plaintiff must show that a defendant breached a duty of care. As we explained only a few years after Parker was decided:
The term “no-duty,” as used in Parker, referred to the oddity that had uniquely developed in Texas to confuse negligence law. It meant that a plaintiff had the burden to negate his own knowledge and his own appreciation of a danger. The rule that the plaintiff does not have the burden to obtain findings that disprove his own fault does not, however, mean that a plaintiff is excused from proving the defendant had a duty and breached it. A plaintiff does not have the burden to prove and obtain findings that he lacked knowledge and appreciation of a danger; he must, however, prove the defendant had a duty and breached it.15
It is one thing to reject the argument that an apartment owner has no duty to see to it that tenants and their guests can safely exit the premises; it is quite another to argue, as Perry does, that a landowner must warn truckers to be careful driving through potholes on a dirt road that are obvious and safely traversed without difficulty.
In Lugo v. Ameritech Corp.,16 the Michigan Supreme Court rejected a pedestrian’s claim that a pothole in a parking lot was unreasonably dangerous, holding that the owner owed her no duty because the condition was open and obvious:
[Tjypical open and obvious dangers (such as ordinary potholes in a parking lot) do not give rise to [a uniquely high likelihood of harm].... [T]he condition is open and obvious and, thus, cannot form the basis of liability against a premises possessor.17
Most other states hold that the possessor of premises has no duty to warn of open and obvious conditions when any danger can be fully appreciated and averted by a reasonable person.18 This is the rule of [772]*772the Restatement (Second) of Torts,19 and is still the law in Texas.
[773]*773With respect, holding the owners of dirt roads liable for inadequately warning sand-and-gravel 18-wheeler truckers how to drive through potholes mocks the law of premises liability as well as common sense. I would render judgment for TXI, and accordingly, I dissent.