VANCE, Circuit Judge:
The panel opinion, 557 F.2d 1189, traces the complicated history of this litigation.1 Before the Court on rehearing en banc is plaintiffs’ contention and the panel’s holding that Florida Rule of Criminal Procedure 3.130(b)(4), does not pass constitutional muster. The rule was adopted by the Supreme Court of Florida while the case was pending in this Court. Effective on July 1, 1977 it established the pretrial bail system which is the present successor to the bail practices upheld by the Southern District of Florida in the judgment from which this appeal originally was taken.
The new rule2 enumerates six forms of release which come within the definition of bail in non-capital cases. Number five is the posting of a bail bond with sureties or the deposit of cash in lieu thereof. It is [1056]*1056urged that in the case of indigents, equal protection standards require a presumption against money bail and favoring the other enumerated forms of release.3 The panel held that Florida’s new rule is constitutionally defective by reason of its failure to express such a presumption. We disagree.
At the outset we accept the principle that imprisonment solely because of indigent status is invidious discrimination and not constitutionally permissible. Williams v. Illinois, 399 U.S. 235, 90 S.Ct. 2018, 26 L.Ed.2d 586 (1970); Tate v. Short, 401 U.S. 395, 91 S.Ct. 668, 28 L.Ed.2d 130 (1971). The punitive and heavily burdensome nature of pretrial confinement has been the subject of convincing commentary.4 We view such deprivation of liberty of one who is accused but not convicted of crime as presenting a question having broader effects and constitutional implications than would appear from a rule stated solely for the protection of indigents.
Resolution of the problems concerning pretrial bail requires a delicate balancing of the vital interests of the state with those of the individual. Florida has a compelling interest in assuring the presence at trial of persons charged with crime.5 Yet such individuals remain clothed with a presumption of innocence and with their constitutional guarantees intact. The Supreme Court speaking through Chief Justice Vinson observed in Stack, et a1. v. Boyle, United States Marshal, 342 U.S. 1, 4, 72 S.Ct. 1, 3, 96 L.Ed. 3 (1951):
“From the passage of the Judicial Act of 1789,1 Stat. 73, 91, to the present Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, Rule 46(a)(1) [18 U.S.C.A.] federal law has unequivocally provided that a person arrested for a non-capital offense shall be admitted to bail. This traditional right to freedom before conviction permits the unhampered preparation of a defense, and serves to prevent the infliction of [1057]*1057punishment prior to conviction. See Hudson v. Parker, 1895, 156 U.S. 277, 285 [15 S.Ct. 450, 39 L.Ed. 424] (1895). Unless this right to bail before trial is preserved, the presumption of innocence, secured only after centuries of struggle, would lose its meaning.
“The right to release before trial is conditioned upon the accused’s giving adequate assurance that he will stand trial and submit to sentence if found guilty. Ex parte Milburn, 1835, 9 Pet. 704, 710 [9 L.Ed. 280] (1835). Like the ancient practice of securing the oaths of responsible persons to stand as sureties for the accused, the modern practice of requiring a bail bond or the deposit of a sum of money subject to forfeiture serves as additional assurance of the presence of an accused. Bail set at a figure higher than an amount reasonably calculated to fulfill this purpose is ‘excessive’ under the Eighth Amendment. See United States v. Motlow, 10 F.2d 657 (1926, opinion by Mr. Justice Butler as Circuit Justice of the Seventh Circuit).
“Since the function of bail is limited, the fixing of bail for any individual defendant must be based upon standards relevant to the purpose of assuring the presence of that defendant. * * * ”
In another context the rule was established in Rhem v. Malcolm, 507 F.2d 333, 336 (2d Cir. 1974), that:
“The demands of equal protection of the laws and of due process prohibit depriving pre-trial detainees of the rights of other citizens to a greater extent than necessary to assure appearance at trial and security of the jail; * * * ”
See to the same effect: Taylor v. Sterrett, 532 F.2d 462 (5th Cir. 1976); Duran v. El-rod, 542 F.2d 998 (7th Cir. 1976); United States, ex rel. Tyrrell v. Speaker, 535 F.2d 823 (3rd Cir. 1976). Such requirement as is necessary to provide reasonable assurance of the accused’s presence at trial is constitutionally permissible. Any requirement in excess of that amount would be inherently punitive and run afoul of due process requirements.
The argument favoring a specified priority sequence for the various forms of release overlooks the fact that its impact may vary under varying circumstances. By definition an indigent is incapable of meeting any money bail requirement. Similarly disfavored is the non-indigent whose money bail is set in an amount higher than he can provide. Money bail, however, may not be the most burdensome requirement in all cases. A moneyed visitor in a city far removed from his home might find certain of the alternative forms of release infinitely more onerous. Utilization of a master bond schedule6 provides speedy and convenient release for those who have no difficulty in meetings its requirements. The incarceration of those who cannot, without meaningful consideration of other possible alternatives, infringes on both due process and equal protection requirements.
Rules under which personal liberty is to be deprived are limited by the constitutional guarantees of all, be they moneyed or indigent, befriended or friendless, employed or unemployed, resident or transient, of good reputation or bad.
The ultimate inquiry in each instance is what is necessary to reasonably assure defendant’s presence at trial. Systems which incorporate a presumption favoring personal recognizance avoid much of the difficulty inherent in the entire subject area. A mechanical consideration of priorities among various other modes of release may conform to constitutional requirements.7 We per[1058]*1058ceive no reason, however, why less explicit requirements may not be applied in an altogether constitutional manner. We have no doubt that in the case of an indigent, whose appearance at trial could reasonably be assured by one of the alternate forms of release, pretrial confinement for inability to post money bail would constitute imposition of an excessive restraint. We do not read the State of Florida’s new rule to require such a result.
It is here that we reach a fundamental point of departure from the panel’s decision. The Supreme Court of Florida twice declined to incorporate a presumption against money bail as a part of its rule. It is argued that we therefore should conclude that a contrary result was intended, that the automatic setting of money bails will continue and that the unnecessary and therefore constitutionally interdicted pretrial detention of indigents will be the inevitable result.
We doubt that the Florida Supreme Court’s failure to express such a presumption necessarily imputes to it a design thus to circumvent constitutional requirements. Its rule mandates that “all relevant factors” be considered in determining “what form of release is necessary to assure the defendant’s appearance.” If the same “is required” to accomplish that result, the rule provides that the judge will determine the amount of a monetary bail. Rule 3.130(b)(4) is new. The record before us reflects neither its interpretation nor application by the courts of Florida. If it is possible to do so, Rule 3.130(b)(4) is due to be construed so as to avoid constitutional infirmity. New York Times Company, et al v. Conner, 291 F.2d 492 (5th Cir. 1961); U. S. v. Boerner, 508 F.2d 1064 (5th Cir. 1975), cert. den. 421 U.S. 1013, 95 S.Ct. 2418, 44 L.Ed.2d 681. Courts do not consider a tendered constitutional question if the contended for result can be reached by statutory interpretation. Hagans, et al v. Lavine, Commissioner, New York Department of Social Services, et al, 415 U.S. 528, 546, 94 S.Ct. 1372, 39 L.Ed.2d 577 (1974); Benton-Volve-Metairie, Inc. v. Volvo Southwest, Inc., 479 F.2d 135 (5th Cir. 1973); Tolg v. Grimes, 355 F.2d 92 (5th Cir. 1966). It is our view that as now written, the rule is subject to constitutional interpretation and application.8
The record before the Court contains only evidence of practices under criminal procedures which predate the adoption of the current Florida rule. Our review must be in the light of the Florida rule as it now stands, not as it stood when the judgment below was entered. Kremens v. Bartley, 431 U.S. 119, 97 S.Ct. 1709, 52 L.Ed.2d 184 (1977); Diffenderfer, et al v. Central Baptist Church of Miami, Florida, et al, 404 U.S. 412, 92 S.Ct. 574, 30 L.Ed.2d 567. As an attack on the Florida procedures which existed as of the time of trial, the case has lost its character as a present, live controversy and is therefore moot. Kremens v. Bartley, supra; Diffenderfer v. Central Baptist Church, supra; Hall v. Beals, 396 U.S. 45, 90 S.Ct. 200, 24 L.Ed.2d 214 (1969); Wright, Miller & Cooper, Federal Practice and Procedure: Mootness, Sec. 3533.
We have determined that on its face Rule 3.130(b)(4) does not suffer such infirmity that its constitutional application is precluded. Further adjudication of the merits of a constitutional challenge addressed to it should await presentation of a proper record reflecting application by the courts of the State of Florida. Carey, Gov[1059]*1059ernor of New York, et al v. Sugar, et a1, 425 U.S. 73, 96 S.Ct. 1208, 47 L.Ed.2d 587 (1976); Socialist Labor Party, et a1 v. Gilligan, Governor of Ohio, et a1, 406 U.S. 583, 92 S.Ct. 1716, 32 L.Ed.2d 317 (1972); Railroad Commission of Texas, et a1 v. Pullman Company, et a1, 312 U.S. 496, 61 S.Ct. 643, 85 L.Ed. 971 (1941).
Our decision is that the portion of the district court’s Opinion and Final Judgment which was challenged by plaintiffs’ separate appeal was rendered moot by Florida’s adoption of Rule of Criminal Procedure 3.130(b)(4). We hold that the new Florida rule is not facially unconstitutional and we abstain from its further consideration. It follows that the decision of the panel is due to be vacated. In order that the bail portion of the district court’s Opinion and Final Judgment of October 12,1971 will have no precedential effect, we vacate the portion concerning Count III of plaintiffs’ complaint (the bail count)9 and remand with directions that Count III of said complaint be dismissed as moot10 without costs to either party.
OPINION AND FINAL JUDGMENT OF DISTRICT COURT VACATED IN PART. CASE REMANDED WITH DIRECTIONS.
SIMPSON, Circuit Judge, with whom GEWIN, GOLDBERG and GODBOLD, Circuit Judges, join, dissenting:
Today’s en banc majority has lost sight of the single question in this case, the narrow issue decided by the panel: Whether the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment entitles indigent pretrial detainees to a presumption against the imposition of money bail to secure their appearance at trial. The panel answered this question affirmatively, holding that the current Florida bail rule, which, like all its predecessors, fails to incorporate such a presumption, is unconstitutional in that respect. Pugh v. Rainwater, 557 F.2d 1189 (5th Cir. 1977). But the en banc majority, its vision beclouded by issues not presented and theories of abstention peculiarly inappropriate here, misses the whole point of the case. Ultimately it abdicates its responsibility to decide fundamental constitutional questions ripe for adjudication. I dissent.
I shall attempt briefly to delineate the manner in which I deem the majority to have strayed from the proper course.
I. THE ISSUE
As relevant to this appeal, this case is a class action brought on behalf of indigent persons who have been detained prior to trial because they could not afford to pay money bail. The issue raised by the plaintiffs is whether the setting of money bail for indigents — under a system that does not require a presumption against money bail in the case of indigents — violates Fourteenth Amendment equal protection. See 557 F.2d at 1194-95, 1201-02.
By some process of reasoning not apparent, the majority has transformed this narrow issue into a broad, hypothetical question encompassing all rights, not simply equal protection rights, of all persons, not limited to indigents. Thus the majority writes, “[w]e view such deprivation of liberty of one who is accused but not convicted of crime as presenting a question having broader effects and constitutional implications than would appear from a rule stated solely for the protection of indigents”. Majority opinion, at 1056.1 Then, in address[1060]*1060ing the panel’s holding, the majority notes “[t]he argument favoring a specified priority sequence for the various forms of release overlooks the fact that its impact may vary under varying circumstances”, explaining that forms of pretrial release other than money bail may disfavor persons with problems other than indigency. Majority opinion, at 1057. Finally, the Court today states: “Rules under which personal liberty is to be deprived are limited by the constitutional guarantees of all, be they moneyed or indigent, befriended or friendless, employed or unemployed, resident or transient, of good reputation or bad”. Id. at 1057. Noble as these sentiments may be, they deflect the majority entirely from the true targets of this lawsuit, indigents and money bail.2
Similarly, the majority skirts the equal protection issue by offering gratuitous observations about constitutional rights not invoked by the plaintiffs. We are told that “[a]ny requirement in excess of” the amount necessary to provide reasonable assurance of the accused’s presence at trial “would be inherently punitive and run afoul of due process requirements”, id. at 1057, and that in certain cases, pretrial confinement of indigents “for inability to post money bail would constitute imposition of an excessive restraint”. Id. at 1058. Indeed, the majority agrees with the panel that “incarceration of those who cannot [afford money bail], without meaningful consideration of other possible alternatives, infringes on both due process and equal protection requirements”, id. at 1057 (emphasis added), but then summarily and without explanation rejects the panel’s further qualification that equal protection demands a presumption against money bail in the case of indigents.
II. THE IMPACT OF FLORIDA’S NEW BAIL RULE
The en banc majority posits that the revision of the Florida bail rule which took place during the pendency of this appeal has mooted the district court’s decision and requires that we abstain from “further consideration” of the rule. To be sure, the new rule has had a significant impact on the non-indigent, non-money bail, non-equal protection hypothetical cases about which the majority speculates. It has not, however, had an impact on the equal protection rights of indigents — the sole concern of this case — sufficient to render the district court’s decision moot or to warrant abstention. In reality, the law governing the setting of bail for indigents remains the same today — after two revisions of the Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure — as it was when this suit was filed over seven years ago.
The majority notes that the latest revision of the Florida bail rule mandates that “all relevant factors” be considered in determining “what form of release is necessary to assure the defendant’s appearance”. “If a monetary bail is required, then the judge shall determine the amount”. Fla.R. Crim.P. 3.130(b)(4)(ii) (1977). In explaining that this rule is capable of construction consistent with constitutional requirements, the majority states, “[t]he ultimate inquiry in each instance is what is necessary to reasonably assure defendant's presence at trial”. Majority opinion, at 1057. The rule also provides that “[i]n determining which [1061]*1061form of release will reasonably assure appearance, the judge shall, on the basis of available information, take into account the nature and circumstances of the offense charged, the weight of the evidence against the defendant, the defendant’s family ties, employment, financial resources, character and mental condition, the length of his residence in the community, his record of convictions”, and other comparable factors.
Seven years ago, the district court in this case made findings of fact which make apparent that the 1977 rule merely codifies the 1971 practice:
The record establishes that it is the policy of defendants to set bonds sufficiently low to allow accused persons their release while assuring their subsequent appearance at trial. The severity of the crime along with the accused’s ties to the community, past criminal record, and financial resources are all considered in the setting of bonds. There is no allegation that any bond in question was set in excess of that which the judicial officer deemed necessary to assure trial appearance.
Pugh v. Rainwater, 332 F.Supp. 1107, 1115 (S.D.Fla.1971). The authority of Florida courts to condition pretrial release on nonfinancial factors was recognized long before the promulgation of the 1972 and 1977 rules. Cf. Fla.Stat. 903.03(2)(a)(3). Similarly, it had long been the law in Florida that “[¡Judicial officers charged with the responsibility of fixing bail are bound by the Constitution to fix bail in a not excessive amount”. Matera v. Buchanan, 192 So.2d 18, 20 (3d D.C.A.Fla.1966), citing Mendenhall v. Sweat, 117 Fla. 659, 158 So. 280 (1934).
Under both the 1971 practice and the 1977 rule, the judge must consider all relevant factors, including the defendant’s financial resources, in setting bail; he must set bail no higher than that which he deems necessary to assure the defendant’s appearance at trial; and he has discretion to release a defendant on his own recognizance. The principal change effected by the 1977 rule is that non-financially conditioned forms of release implicitly available to the judge in 1971 have been specifically enumerated.
Hence, the majority is simply incorrect in concluding “[a]s an attack on the Florida procedures which existed as of the time of trial, the case has lost its character as a present, live controversy and is therefore moot”. Majority opinion, at 1058. Because the current Florida bail rule ensconces the practice which the defendants, in 1971, swore they followed and which they were otherwise required to follow, the controversy in this case could hardly be more alive nor more deserving of resolution.3
[1062]*1062III. THE INAPPROPRIATENESS OF ABSTENTION
The en banc majority abstains from “further consideration” of the new Florida bail rule because, it concludes, “the rule is subject to constitutional interpretation and application” and “[fjurther adjudication of the merits of a constitutional challenge addressed to it should await presentation of a proper record reflecting application by the courts of the State of Florida”. Majority opinion, at 1058. On this basis, it remands to the district court with directions to dismiss the plaintiffs’ equal protection challenge as moot. With deference to the majority, I view abstention in this case as the equivalent of abdication.
“Abstention from the exercise of federal jurisdiction is the exception, not the rule”. Colorado River Water Conserv. Dist. v. United States, 424 U.S. 800, 96 S.Ct. 1236, 1244, 47 L.Ed.2d 483 (1976). The branch of the doctrine of abstention invoked by the majority, originating in Railroad Commission of Texas v. Pullman Co., 312 U.S. 496, 61 S.Ct. 643, 85 L.Ed. 971 (1941),4 has been described by the Supreme Court as follows:
Where the resolution of the federal constitutional question is dependent upon, or may be materially altered by, the determination of an uncertain issue of state law, abstention may be proper in order to avoid unnecessary friction in federal-state relations, interference with important state functions, tentative decisions on questions of state law, and premature constitutional adjudication. The doctrine . . . contemplates that deference to state court adjudication only be made where the issue of state law is uncertain.
Harman v. Forssenius, 380 U.S. 528, 534, 85 S.Ct. 1177, 1182, 14 L.Ed.2d 50 (1965). Additionally, as the Court noted in Harrison v. N. A. A. C. P., 360 U.S. 167, 176-77, 79 S.Ct. 1025, 1030, 3 L.Ed.2d 1152 (1959):
[T]he federal courts should not adjudicate the constitutionality of state enactments fairly open to interpretation until the state courts have been afforded a reasonable opportunity to pass upon them. This principle does not, of course, involve the abdication of federal jurisdiction, but only the postponement of its exercise . . [citations omitted; emphasis added].
Consistent with these principles, the Second Circuit has expressed a caveat relevant to this case:
Where the state court has deliberately avoided an interpretation of a statute which might save its constitutionality or moot the federal claim, the abstaining federal court may certainly reassert the jurisdiction it was retaining in order to reach the merits. Neither comity nor sound judicial administration require the abstaining federal court to wait indefinitely for state courts to determine the merits.
414 Theatre Corp. v. Murphy, 499 F.2d 1155, 1157 (2d Cir. 1974).
Application of these basic principles to the facts of this case reveals that abstention is inappropriate.
[1063]*10631. The Relevant Florida Law is Not Uncertain: The threshold inquiry under the Pullman abstention doctrine is whether the challenged state law is uncertain, for if its meaning is unambiguous, then there is no need to await its construction by a state court. Wisconsin v. Constantineau, 400 U.S. 433, 439, 91 S.Ct. 507, 511, 27 L.Ed.2d 515 (1971); City of Chicago v. Atchison, T. & S. F. Ry. Co., 357 U.S. 77, 84, 78 S.Ct. 1063, 1067, 2 L.Ed.2d 1174 (1958); Wright, Federal Courts, § 52 at 219 (3d Ed. 1976).
As relevant to the issue in this case, the Florida rule is unambiguous: it does not include a presumption against money bail in the case of indigents. The absence of such a presumption is apparent both on the face of the rule and in light of its history. Twice in the past seven years, the Florida Supreme Court has rejected a presumption against money bail. In enacting the new rule in 1977, that court borrowed, almost verbatim, from the analogous Federal Bail Reform Act of 1966,18 U.S.C. § 3146 (1970), but deleted the language of the federal act creating a presumption against financially conditioned release. See 557 F.2d at 1200-01. Indeed, a committee note to the new rule, not adopted by the Florida Supreme Court but relevant to determining the intent of the rule’s framers, admits: “The options are the same as those available under the federal rules without the presumption in favor of release on recognizance or unsecured appearance”.
2. The Courts of Florida Have Had a Reasonable Opportunity to Pass On The Question Tendered In This Case: For seven years this Court stayed its hand while the Florida Supreme Court twice revised its bail rule. And after seven years and two revisions, there has been no change in the Florida law regarding bail which moots the challenge in this case. Considered against the history of this litigation, the majority’s decision to abstain makes a mockery of the Pullman doctrine.
The district court ruled against the plaintiffs on their challenge to the Florida bail rule on October 12, 1971. Because the district court also ruled in favor of the plaintiffs on their claims involving Florida’s preliminary hearing practices, both sides appealed to this Court. Although we heard oral arguments on both the preliminary hearing and bail issues in 1972, for the next three years we took no action on the bail issue pending resolution of the other issues in the case. Ultimately, the Supreme Court affirmed with modifications our holding on the preliminary hearing question. Gerstein v. Pugh, 420 U.S. 103, 95 S.Ct. 854, 43 L.Ed.2d 54 (1975).
In December, 1972, the Florida Supreme Court adopted a comprehensive revision of its Rules of Criminal Procedure, effective February 1, 1973. In re Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure, 272 So.2d 65 (Fla.1972). At that time the Florida Supreme Court expressly rejected a proposal by a special advisory committee to incorporate a presumption against money bail. Justice Er-vin dissented because he felt that the rule adopted by the court would discriminate against the poor:
I am unable to support Rule 3.130 which will continue the current discriminatory bail bond system. I am deeply distressed by this Court’s rejection of the “pretrial release” rule unanimously recommended by our Special Advisory Committee.
In its “Note” following the proposed pretrial release rule, the Committee said: “This rule replaces Rule 1.130, Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure, entitled ‘Bail.’ The existing rule placed almost complete emphasis on money bail rather than less onerous conditions of release. The proposed rule presumes that if the defendant is likely to appear, there is no need for an arrest, or, if an arrest has occurred, the defendant should be released on his own recognizance or promise to appear.”
The Rule adopted by this Court will perpetuate that money-bail emphasis; I am unwilling to further support Florida’s archaic bail bond system.
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The Advisory Committee’s rule attempted to eliminate these unjust results [1064]*1064of the bail bond system by guaranteeing that all persons, regardless of financial status, would not needlessly be detained pending their appearance when detention would serve neither the ends of justice nor the public interest. It created a presumption that an accused is to be released without bail unless it is shown that there is reason to believe that his release should be conditioned in some fashion.
If conditions of release were found to be necessary, the Committee’s rule provided that “the judicial officer shall impose the least onerous condition reasonably likely to assure the defendant’s appearance in court.” Money bail was a last resort, and even fully secured bail was to be required only in extreme cases where no other condition would satisfactorily guarantee the defendant’s appearance. In each instance where a judicial officer or his authorized deputy, or law officer acting under his authority determined a summons, the defendant’s promise to appear, or personal recognizance to be insufficient to assure the defendant’s presence, the proposed rule required that the judicial officer give reasons for the imposition of conditions.
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The Committee’s rule was an excellent attempt at eliminating from our legal system one more means of discriminating against the poor.' It should have been approved.
272 So.2d at 69, 71, 72 (Ervin, J., dissenting).
Clearly, then, the Florida Supreme Court in 1972 had an opportunity to promulgate a bail rule which would have mooted the plaintiffs’ claim in this case. It nevertheless opted for a rule which left the federal claim unaffected.
After the United States Supreme Court decided Gerstein v. Pugh, supra, the other aspect of this case, we heard additional oral argument on the bail question on November 11, 1975. In his argument for the defendants, Paul Zacks, an Assistant Attorney General of Florida, suggested that the 1972 bail rule could be construed to include the presumption advocated by the plaintiffs and that plaintiffs’ counsel, Phillip Hubbard, should seek such an interpretation from the Florida Supreme Court. The panel, made up of Judges Gewin, Bell,5 and Simpson, approved this suggestion and strongly urged the parties to cooperate in presenting this question to the Florida Supreme Court. The following excerpts from the oral argument illustrate the panel’s determination to give the Florida courts an opportunity to resolve the question presented for federal review:
JUDGE SIMPSON: If [the rule] isn’t precise enough or broad enough, the remedy may be to go before [the Florida Supreme Court] to have this state commission or committee — bar committee, or someone — go before them and ask for amendment of the rule rather than have a court case about it.
MR. ZACKS: Very true.
JUDGE SIMPSON: I don’t know. I think you ought to cover all the possible alternatives when you brief this matter. What we’re talking about is this Court holding in abeyance while some relief is sought from the Supreme Court of Florida. I don’t know how much we should tell you about what to ask them or how to go about doing it, but all the possible— all the alternatives should be explored in your brief.
JUDGE BELL: 1971,1 suppose — somewhere along in there — I granted a stay, and I did it because I thought there was something wrong with the system where we were getting ready to displace the Supreme Court of Florida’s rule-making power. Now the case has been going on all this time, nobody’s doing anything and we’re faced up with it again. It seems to me the Attorney General of Florida would want to get into the act and preserve state’s rights, state responsibilities [1065]*1065and preserve the Florida court system’s rule-making power. If we make these rules, we’ll make other rules.
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JUDGE BELL: I think Judge Simpson is right. We don’t want to tell you what to do. We don’t want to write the rules. We’d rather you go and get the thing straightened out. The Attorney General of Florida represents all the people and the courts.
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JUDGE GEWIN: We tried to get you to be — embrace the idea of brotherly love in this field of litigation and try to work it out . . .. And leave the federal courts alone so people won’t say, “You’re taking over our state business”.
MR. ZACKS: Well, we didn’t bring this in the federal courts and I would also like to point out—
JUDGE BELL: But you’re not doing— well, you’ve had five years and you haven’t done anything to get it out of the federal courts. I was your friend. I stayed the case. But I’m losing my patience pretty fast. Five years is a pretty long time to wait around.
JUDGE SIMPSON: . . . This is a broad policy matter, and it would seem to me that you should interview [Attorney] General Shevin about it and about the stand he wants to take and get, maybe get authority to go further than you are prepared to say you want to go today because it’s — this is the way to do it. Have Florida take care of its own business rather than put it over on the federal courts.
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JUDGE BELL: We’re talking about a policy matter that’s very important.
JUDGE GEWIN: . . . You get to [Mr. Shevin]. Tell him the federal judges thought that he was a good man to help solve this problem. And if he says, “Well, you get out of the door”, then we’ll decide it. We can decide it, but we’d just rather that the state would do it.
On several occasions after the 1975 oral argument, plaintiffs’ attorneys and attorneys for the Dade County Bar Association, as amicus curiae, presented their case to the Florida Supreme Court and to appropriate committees of the integrated Florida Bar. The Attorney General of Florida refused to participate in these efforts, taking the position that the 1972 revision of the Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure divested this Court of jurisdiction in this case. In February, 1977, the Florida Supreme Court promulgated a new rule concerning bail, The Florida Bar re Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure, 343 So.2d 1247 (Fla.1977) (Fla.R.Crim.P. 3.130), but declined to adopt the specific revisions requested by the plaintiffs. Counsel for plaintiffs petitioned for rehearing, in part, on the ground that “[m]oney bail should be used, especially with regard to indigents, only when it is found that no other condition will reasonably assure the defendant’s appearance in court”. The Florida Supreme Court, with two Justices dissenting, denied the petition for rehearing. 343 So.2d at 1266.
To abstain now, under these circumstances, is absurd. This simply is not a case like Pullman where “a federal court of equity is asked to decide an issue by making a tentative answer which may be displaced tomorrow by a state adjudication”. 312 U.S. at 500, 61 S.Ct. at 645. The State of Florida has jiad more than the reasonable opportunity 'demanded by the abstention doctrine and has three times unambiguously refused to rule in a manner capable of mooting this case. For seven years we have abstained. The time has come for this federal court to reach the merits of the plaintiffs’ federal constitutional claim.
Ironically, while the en banc majority purports to exercise “a wise discretion” in restraining its authority “because of ‘scrupulous regard for the rightful independence of the state governments’ ”, Pullman, supra, 312 U.S. at 501, 61 S.Ct. at 645, it nevertheless instructs the Florida Supreme Court on the correct interpretation of the 1977 bail rule. “We have no doubt”, writes the majority, “that in the case of an indigent, [1066]*1066whose appearance at trial could reasonably be assured by one of the alternate forms of release, pretrial confinement for inability to post money bail would constitute imposition of an excessive restraint”. Majority opinion, at 1058. Similarly, in footnote 8 of its opinion, the majority endorses a “Committee Note” not adopted by the Florida Supreme Court, explaining that the committee’s interpretation of the new rule as requiring “the least onerous form of release” “is enhanced ... by the absence of a constitutional alternative”.
While these comments derogate the majority’s professed concern for the lofty principles of federalism, they reveal that the en banc court and the panel are not separated by a wide gulf with respect to the substantive principles supporting the' plaintiffs’ contention in this case. The true point of departure, as I see it, concerns the minimum standard required to guarantee the equal protection rights of indigents in the context of pretrial release. The panel opinion focused narrowly on that right and concluded that, at the very least, a presumption against money bail for indigents was necessary. The en banc majority contents itself with the assumption that the rights of indigents — and of all persons — will be protected by the rule against excessive bail. I reject this position for two reasons.
First, despite the en banc majority’s attempt to disavow the panel’s holding, its arguments are directed toward a legal' position never presented to or advanced by the panel. The majority posits that “[t]he argument favoring a specified priority sequence for the various forms of release overlooks the fact that its impact may vary under varying circumstances”. Majority opinion, at 1057. Ultimately, it concludes: “A mechanical consideration of priorities among various other modes of release may conform to constitutional requirements. We perceive no reason, however, why less explicit requirements may not be applied in an altogether constitutional manner”. Majority opinion, at 1057-1058. This reasoning is specious because this case does not involve “a specified priority sequence” or “a mechanical consideration of priorities” among varieties of pretrial release. Rather, it requires consideration of the need for a rebut-table presumption against one form of pretrial release — money bail — as applied to one class of persons — indigent pretrial detainees. Under established equal protection principles, as expounded at length in the panel opinion, there is manifestly a constitutional necessity for such a presumption in the case of those who, by definition, have no money. The panel never addressed the priority sequence of alternative forms of release and, indeed, did not hold that, under the presumption, money bail may never be imposed on an indigent.
Secondly, the ratio decidendi of the panel’s holding was that the presumption against money bail guarantees a proper regard for equal protection strictures in the decision concerning pretrial release of indigents. Here again, the majority ignores the legal issue before it and erects a straw man easily demolished. In noting that the Supreme Court of Florida has twice declined to incorporate a presumption against money bail into the Rules of Criminal Procedure, the majority states, “It is argued that we therefore should conclude that a contrary result was intended, that the automatic setting of money bails will continue and that the unnecessary and therefore constitutionally interdicted pretrial detention of indigents will be the inevitable result”. Majority opinion, at 1058. Of course, no such argument has been made in this case. The point is not that the new rule “requires” or makes “inevitable” the automatic setting of money bail, but rather that it is wholly lacking in safeguards to insure that indigents are not discriminated against, even inadvertently, in the decision-making process.
The majority deludes itself in concluding that the new bail rule furnishes adequate safeguards by limiting bail to that which is “necessary” to assure a defendant’s appearance. At least since 1934, when the Florida Supreme Court decided Mendenhall v. Sweat, 117 Fla. 659, 158 So. 280 (1934), the [1067]*1067rule in Florida has been that bail may not be fixed in so excessive an amount as to preclude the probability of the accused’s being able to furnish it.6 Yet, in this case, the Director of the Corrections and Rehabilitation Department of Dade County, Florida, testified that on June 3, 1971, approximately 500 pretrial detainees were housed in the Dade County Jail and the Dade County Stockade, and that the majority of those were imprisoned because they could not afford bail. R. 308-10. Similarly, in January, 1976, a United States District Court judge in Miami found that 28 percent of the pretrial detainees at the Dade County Jail were there solely because they could not afford bail. Bridges v. Sandstrom, No. 74-994-Civ-JE (S.D.Fla. Jan. 14, 1976). In effect, then, the “necessity” requirement has provided only illusory protection for the equal protection rights of indigents. Necessity is an indefinite entity, to be determined in the exercise of a judge’s discretion on an ad hoc, case by case basis. See, e. g., State ex rel. Bardina v. Sandstrom, 321 So.2d 630 (3d D.C.A. Fla.1975). Once exercised, a judge’s discretion is reviewáble only for abuse, the incarcerated defendant bearing the burden of proof. See Lambert v. State, 151 So.2d 675 (1st D.C.A. Fla.1963).7 I cannot escape the conclusion that the majority has chosen too frail a vessel for such a ponderous cargo of human rights.
Judge Weinstein of the Eastern District of New York stated the issue well:
In this country we do not pay lip service to the value of human rights- and individual dignity — we mean to live by our ideals. A primary role of the courts is to translate these noble sentiments into palpable reality.
Birnbaum v. United States, 436 F.Supp. 967, 970 (E.D.N.Y.1977).8
Fifteen years ago, then Supreme Court Justice Arthur Goldberg complained that “the courts and other organs of government, both state and federal, have not brought their ingenuity sufficiently to bear on [many] crucial areas of equal justice”, including the problem of bail for indigents. “Think of the needless waste”, he wrote, “ — to the individual, the family, and the community — every time a responsible person presumed by a law to be innocent is kept in jail awaiting trial solely because he [1068]*1068is unable to raise bail money”.9 And yet only last year, a distinguished criminal law scholar, Caleb Foote, lamented the “incredible failure of the Supreme Court, courts in general and lawyers, to do anything about what has become the most pervasive denial of equal justice in the entire criminal justice system”, the setting of money bail for indigent defendants.10
The panel, having before it the proper parties and a genuine controversy ripe for adjudication, attempted to conform monetary bail practices in Florida to “the moral imperative implicit in the noble concept of equal justice before the law”.11 The en banc majority, wrongly and regrettably, has chosen to decline the invitation.
I respectfully dissent.