BAUER, Circuit Judge.
Robert J. Matz filed an ERISA action, claiming entitlement to benefits as a result of a partial termination of a retirement benefit plan. The district court held that in determining whether partial termination occurred: (1) both vested and non-vested plan participants should be counted,
see Matz v. Household Int’l Tax Reduction Inv. Plan,
1998 WL 851491, *5 (N.D.I11. Dec.l, 1998); and (2) multiple plan years could be aggregated,
see
1999 WL 754659, *6 (N.D.I11. Sept.9, 1999). The Plan contested the district court’s decisions on interlocutory appeal, and in 227 F.3d 971 (7th Cir.2000), we affirmed. The Plan petitioned for writ of certiorari, which the Supreme Court granted, thereby vacating and remanding the ease to us for further consideration in light of
United States v. Mead Corp.,
533 U.S. 218, 121 S.Ct. 2164, 150 L.Ed.2d 292 (2001). On remand, we are faced with the question of to what extent we must defer to the interpretation of “partial termination” by the IRS found in an amicus brief, which is one of the
agencies responsible for administering the partial termination statute.
In
Mead,
the Supreme Court tried to delineate levels of judicial deference owed to actions by administrative agencies.
See id.
at 2176. The Court held that
Chevron
deference is mandatory when Congress has expressly or implicitly indicated that it intended an agency to speak with the force of law on a matter, and the agency’s position on that matter is reasonable.
See id.
at 2171-72. The Court explained that Congress generally indicates its intention “when it provides for a relatively formal administrative procedure,” such as “notice- and-comment rulemaking or formal adjudication.”
Id.
at 2172-73. However, the Court left open the possibility that
Chevron
deference may be appropriate in some instances even without such formality, although it did not clearly outline these instances.
See id.
at 2173.
In delineating this spectrum of deference, the Court confirmed its holding in
Skidmore v. Swift & Co.,
323 U.S. 134, 65 S.Ct. 161, 89 L.Ed. 124 (1944) that “an agency’s interpretation may merit some deference whatever its form, given the ‘specialized experience and broader investigations and information’ available to the agency....”
Id.
at 2175 (quoting 323 U.S. at 139, 65 S.Ct. 161). The Court instructed that determining whether
Skidmore
deference is owed turns on the “‘thoroughness evident in [the agency’s] consideration, the validity of its reasoning, its consistency with earlier and later pronouncements, and all those factors which give it power to persuade, if lacking power to control.’”
Id.
at 2172 (quoting
Skidmore,
323 U.S. at 140). Generally, pursuant to
Skidmore
deference, an agency’s position may be accorded respect depending on its persuasiveness.
See id.
at 2175-76.
In our first opinion in this case we echoed the district court’s sentiment that if we were writing on a blank slate we would be inclined to hold that only non-vested participants ought to be counted in determining whether partial termination occurred. However, we felt constrained by
Chevron U.S.A., Inc. v. Natural Res. Def. Council, Inc.,
467 U.S. 837, 104 S.Ct. 2778, 81 L.Ed.2d 694 (1984) to defer to the IRS’ reasonable interpretation of the partial termination statute. In taking this position, we mimicked the reasoning in
Weil v. Retirement Plan Admin. Comm.,
933 F.2d 106 (2d Cir.1991). In
Weil,
the Second Circuit asked the IRS to submit an
amicus
brief regarding the meaning of “partial termination.” 933 F.2d at 107. Supported by Revenue Rulings and its position in the Plan Termination Handbook contained in the Internal Revenue Manual, the IRS submitted its interpretation that “ ‘all terminated participants, both vested and non[-]vested, should be counted in determining -whether a partial termination has occurred.’ ”
Id.
The Weiipanel deferred to the IRS’ offered position in the amicus brief pursuant to
Chevron.
And, in our first opinion in this case, we deferred to the
Weil
court’s deference.
We now hold that the IRS’ position in the
amicus
brief was an informal agency policy pronouncement not entitled to
Chevron
deference.
See Callaway v. C.I.R.,
231 F.3d 106, 132-33 (2d Cir.2000) (following
Auer v. Robbins,
recognizing that the court had previously afforded
Chevron
deference to an agency’s position in an
amicus
brief, but holding that the agency’s position in the brief was inconsistent with positions it had previously taken);
Ball v. Memphis Bar-B-Q Co., Inc.,
228 F.3d 360, 365 (4th Cir.2000) (holding that the Secretary of Labor’s interpretation of the Fair Labor Standards Act urged in an
amicus
brief was not entitled
to
Chevron
deference);
Doe v. Mutual of Omaha Ins. Co.,
179 F.3d 557, 563 (7th Cir.1999) (discussing
Auer
and
Chevron
regarding the amount of deference an
amicus
brief is due);
Commonwealth Edison Co. v. Vega,
174 F.3d 870, 875 (7th Cir.1999) (same);
but see Auer v. Robbins,
519 U.S. 452, 462, 117 S.Ct. 905, 137 L.Ed.2d 79 (1997) (affording
Chevron
deference to the Secretary of Labor’s interpretation of the Fair Labor Standards Act in its amicus brief because it was not a
post hoc
rationalization and reflected the agency’s fair and considered judgment);
Jones v. American Postal Workers Union,
192 F.3d 417, 427 (4th Cir.1999) (relying on
Auer
to hold that the EEOC’s interpretation of Title VII in its
amicus
brief was entitled to
Chevron
deference because it was not a
post hoc
rationalization and reflected the agency’s fair and considered judgment, and was a valid interpretation). Although the Supreme Court indicated in
Mead
that
Chevron
deference may apply to interpretations developed from less formal rulemaking procedures, it did not expressly outline when this would be the case.
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BAUER, Circuit Judge.
Robert J. Matz filed an ERISA action, claiming entitlement to benefits as a result of a partial termination of a retirement benefit plan. The district court held that in determining whether partial termination occurred: (1) both vested and non-vested plan participants should be counted,
see Matz v. Household Int’l Tax Reduction Inv. Plan,
1998 WL 851491, *5 (N.D.I11. Dec.l, 1998); and (2) multiple plan years could be aggregated,
see
1999 WL 754659, *6 (N.D.I11. Sept.9, 1999). The Plan contested the district court’s decisions on interlocutory appeal, and in 227 F.3d 971 (7th Cir.2000), we affirmed. The Plan petitioned for writ of certiorari, which the Supreme Court granted, thereby vacating and remanding the ease to us for further consideration in light of
United States v. Mead Corp.,
533 U.S. 218, 121 S.Ct. 2164, 150 L.Ed.2d 292 (2001). On remand, we are faced with the question of to what extent we must defer to the interpretation of “partial termination” by the IRS found in an amicus brief, which is one of the
agencies responsible for administering the partial termination statute.
In
Mead,
the Supreme Court tried to delineate levels of judicial deference owed to actions by administrative agencies.
See id.
at 2176. The Court held that
Chevron
deference is mandatory when Congress has expressly or implicitly indicated that it intended an agency to speak with the force of law on a matter, and the agency’s position on that matter is reasonable.
See id.
at 2171-72. The Court explained that Congress generally indicates its intention “when it provides for a relatively formal administrative procedure,” such as “notice- and-comment rulemaking or formal adjudication.”
Id.
at 2172-73. However, the Court left open the possibility that
Chevron
deference may be appropriate in some instances even without such formality, although it did not clearly outline these instances.
See id.
at 2173.
In delineating this spectrum of deference, the Court confirmed its holding in
Skidmore v. Swift & Co.,
323 U.S. 134, 65 S.Ct. 161, 89 L.Ed. 124 (1944) that “an agency’s interpretation may merit some deference whatever its form, given the ‘specialized experience and broader investigations and information’ available to the agency....”
Id.
at 2175 (quoting 323 U.S. at 139, 65 S.Ct. 161). The Court instructed that determining whether
Skidmore
deference is owed turns on the “‘thoroughness evident in [the agency’s] consideration, the validity of its reasoning, its consistency with earlier and later pronouncements, and all those factors which give it power to persuade, if lacking power to control.’”
Id.
at 2172 (quoting
Skidmore,
323 U.S. at 140). Generally, pursuant to
Skidmore
deference, an agency’s position may be accorded respect depending on its persuasiveness.
See id.
at 2175-76.
In our first opinion in this case we echoed the district court’s sentiment that if we were writing on a blank slate we would be inclined to hold that only non-vested participants ought to be counted in determining whether partial termination occurred. However, we felt constrained by
Chevron U.S.A., Inc. v. Natural Res. Def. Council, Inc.,
467 U.S. 837, 104 S.Ct. 2778, 81 L.Ed.2d 694 (1984) to defer to the IRS’ reasonable interpretation of the partial termination statute. In taking this position, we mimicked the reasoning in
Weil v. Retirement Plan Admin. Comm.,
933 F.2d 106 (2d Cir.1991). In
Weil,
the Second Circuit asked the IRS to submit an
amicus
brief regarding the meaning of “partial termination.” 933 F.2d at 107. Supported by Revenue Rulings and its position in the Plan Termination Handbook contained in the Internal Revenue Manual, the IRS submitted its interpretation that “ ‘all terminated participants, both vested and non[-]vested, should be counted in determining -whether a partial termination has occurred.’ ”
Id.
The Weiipanel deferred to the IRS’ offered position in the amicus brief pursuant to
Chevron.
And, in our first opinion in this case, we deferred to the
Weil
court’s deference.
We now hold that the IRS’ position in the
amicus
brief was an informal agency policy pronouncement not entitled to
Chevron
deference.
See Callaway v. C.I.R.,
231 F.3d 106, 132-33 (2d Cir.2000) (following
Auer v. Robbins,
recognizing that the court had previously afforded
Chevron
deference to an agency’s position in an
amicus
brief, but holding that the agency’s position in the brief was inconsistent with positions it had previously taken);
Ball v. Memphis Bar-B-Q Co., Inc.,
228 F.3d 360, 365 (4th Cir.2000) (holding that the Secretary of Labor’s interpretation of the Fair Labor Standards Act urged in an
amicus
brief was not entitled
to
Chevron
deference);
Doe v. Mutual of Omaha Ins. Co.,
179 F.3d 557, 563 (7th Cir.1999) (discussing
Auer
and
Chevron
regarding the amount of deference an
amicus
brief is due);
Commonwealth Edison Co. v. Vega,
174 F.3d 870, 875 (7th Cir.1999) (same);
but see Auer v. Robbins,
519 U.S. 452, 462, 117 S.Ct. 905, 137 L.Ed.2d 79 (1997) (affording
Chevron
deference to the Secretary of Labor’s interpretation of the Fair Labor Standards Act in its amicus brief because it was not a
post hoc
rationalization and reflected the agency’s fair and considered judgment);
Jones v. American Postal Workers Union,
192 F.3d 417, 427 (4th Cir.1999) (relying on
Auer
to hold that the EEOC’s interpretation of Title VII in its
amicus
brief was entitled to
Chevron
deference because it was not a
post hoc
rationalization and reflected the agency’s fair and considered judgment, and was a valid interpretation). Although the Supreme Court indicated in
Mead
that
Chevron
deference may apply to interpretations developed from less formal rulemaking procedures, it did not expressly outline when this would be the case. The IRS’ position in the
amicus
brief was not born from a formal policy-making procedure. We do not believe that a position set forth in an
amicus
brief, supported by some Revenue Rulings and an agency manual are formal enough to warrant Chevron treatment. In
Mead,
the Court declined to give
Chevron
deference to a tariff classification ruling issued by the United States Customs Service. 533 U.S. at-, 121 S.Ct. at 2174. The Court explained that deference was not due because Congress did not indicate that it meant to delegate authority to Customs to issue classification rulings with the force of law, Customs did not engage in notice-and-comment practice when issuing the rulings, and they were not binding on third parties.
See id.
We do not consider a position in an
amicus
brief to be more deserving
oí Chevron
deference than a tariff classification ruling. Upon reading
Mead,
we find that a litigation position in an
amicus
brief, perhaps just as agency interpretations of statutes contained in formats such as opinion letters, policy statements, agency manuals, and enforcement guidelines,
see id.
at 2175, are entitled to respect only to the extent that those interpretations have the power to persuade pursuant to
Skidmore.
Therefore, since we are not bound by the IRS’ position under
Chevron,
any deference we afford it under
Skidmore
depends on its thoroughness, validity, consistency, and persuasiveness. As noted, in our first opinion, although we found the IRS’ position reasonable under
Chevron,
we also found it unpersuasive. As we noted, the meaning of “partial termination” is unclear because the statutory language is ambiguous, the Treasury Regulation is not helpful, the statutory framework offers no assistance, and the legislative history provides little more guidance.
See
Matz, 227 F.3d at 974. Thus, we looked to the statute’s purposes, which are to protect employees’ legitimate expectation of pension benefits, and to prevent employers from abusing pension plans to reap tax benefits.
See id.
at 975. We agree with the Plan that counting vested participants “would further neither of these purposes.”
Id.
“Vested participants do not need further protection for their pension benefits and do not benefit from a finding of partial termination. Their benefits, by virtue of vesting, are nonforfeitable. The employer gains nothing either. No monies revert back to it because the benefits are vested and non[ Jforfeitable.”
Id.
We agreed with the notion voiced in
Morales v. Pan Am. Life Ins. Co.,
718 F.Supp. 1297 (E.D.La. 1989) and
Weil
that perhaps only nonvested participants ought to be counted, although neither court so held. Since we
indicated that if we were writing on a blank slate we would have held differently, we now adopt the rule that only non-vested participants should be counted in determining whether partial termination of a pension plan has occurred.
Finally, the Plan asks us to reconsider our holding that multiple plan years can be aggregated in determining partial termination.
See Matz,
227 F.3d at 976-77. We decline to do so. This aspect of our holding paid no deference to the IRS expressly because the IRS had not taken a position on the issue.
See Matz,
227 F.3d at 977. Thus, since we analyzed the issue without deference to the IRS, the Supreme Court’s vacation and remand in light of
Mead
did not implicate this holding; therefore, it stands.
Thus, we hold that only non-vested participants should be counted in the partial termination analysis, and hereby ReveRse and Remand this case to the district court for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.