SANBORN, Circuit Judge.
This is a petition to review a decision of the Board of Tax Appeals (37 B. T. A. 308) redetermining a deficiency in gift taxes of the petitioner for the year 1934, under the Revenue Act of 1932.1
The facts are not in dispute. On November 7, 1934, the taxpayer executed and delivered a trust instrument to three trustees, irrevocably transferring to them, in trust, personal property of the value of $205,222.27. The trust was created for the benefit of the taxpayer and her four children. By its terms, she retained a life interest in 40% of the entire net income. The trustees were directed to pay to her son Stewart H. Clifford 12%% of the entire net income. They were directed to hold 12%% of such income for the benefit of her son Benjamin B. Clifford, but with the discretion to pay over to him only so much thereof as might to them seem best, and with power to pay all or a portion thereof to his wife “and/or” children; any unexpended portion of such income to be invested for his benefit “and/or” that of his wife and children. The trustees were directed to hold 12%% of such income for the benefit of the taxpayer’s son Arthur F. Clifford upon the same terms and conditions as were applicable to Benjamin B. Clifford. The trustees were directed to hold 12%% of such income for the benefit of the taxpayer’s daughter, Katherine Clifford, with discretion to pay over only so much of the income to her as to them seemed best, and to invest any unexpended balance for her benefit. The remaining 10% of the net income was to be accumulated, invested and held “as a reserve fund, with absolute power and discretion in said trustees to pay over to” the taxpayer, “during her lifetime, such part, if any of this 10% of the entire net income of said trust, and accumulations, if any, thereon, as may to said trustees seem best, and with absolute power and discretion in said trustees, after the death of” the taxpayer, “to pay over to the children of” the taxpayer, “or to their successors in interest as hereinafter provided, such part, if any, of this 10% of the entire net income of said trust and accumulations, if any, thereon, as may to said trustees seem best * * *”
In her gift tax return for the year 1934, the taxpayer, in the belief that in creating this trust she had made four gifts — one to each of her four children — excluded $20,000 by virtue of Section 504(b). (See footnote 1.) She also assumed, in making her return, that she had retained a life interest in 50% of the income from the property transferred in trust. She paid her tax upon that basis.
[644]*644The Commissioner of Internal Revenue determined that the taxpayer’s gifts to three of her children were of “future interests”, and that she was entitled to but one exclusion of $5,000, which was on account of the unconditional gift to her son Stewart. The Commissioner also determined that she had not retained a life interest in the “reserve fund”, but had such an interest in only 40% of the income of the trust estate.2 This action of the Commissioner resulted in the deficiency complained of.
The taxpayer petitioned the Board of Tax Appeals for a redetermination. Before the Board, apparently only two questions were presented: (1) Did the transfer by the taxpayer to the trust which she created constitute a single gift entitling her to one exclusion of $5,000, or did it constitute four gifts, one to each of her four children, who were the beneficiaries of the trust? (2) Did the taxpayer retain a legal or equitable interest in the “reserve fund” set up by the trust instrument? The Board ruled that the taxpayer had made but a single gift, of which the trust was the donee, and that she had retained no interest in the reserve fund which could be considered in determining her gift tax.3
[645]*645Three questions are presented to this Court for decision:
1. Did the transfer in trust constitute one gift to the trust or four gifts to the beneficiaries ?
2. If it constituted four gifts, were three of them gifts of “future interests”?
3. Did the taxpayer retain an interest in the reserve fund which should have been taken into consideration in computing her tax liability?
1. In support of his contention that the taxpayer made a single gift to her trust, the Commissioner cites Commissioner v. Wells, 7 Cir., 88 F.2d 339, and Commissioner v. Krebs, 3 Cir., 90 F.2d 880. The question considered in those cases was whether certain gifts in trust were gifts of present or of future interests. In the Wells case, the court, in discussing that question, said (page 341 of 88 F.2d) :
“Under the undisputed evidence all the elements of a consummated gift were present. With respect to the donor the transfer was not in futuro. He thereby divested himself of all vestige of title, and no future act on his part could modify or abrogate his act. Likewise, the donees were competent to accept the gifts, and they did so immediately. True they were trusts, but they were no different from persons, for the Act so states. They took immediate title to and possession of all the property from the donor; they put it to instant use for the directed purpose of building up an estate for the ultimate and contingent beneficiaries, who were named specifically. The fact that those beneficiaries did not come into possession of the corpus until some time in the future, dependent upon some contingency, does not make the donor’s act any the less a completed transfer to the trustees. The fact must not be overlooked that the Act involved relates to transfers and not receipts.”
In the Krebs case, the court said (page 881 of 90 F.2d):
“We are of the opinion that the gifts were gifts of a present interest, whether the test used be the nature of the interest which the donor gave, or the nature of the interest which the trustees or the cestuis que trusts received. Since the statute imposes the tax upon the donor, it seems pertinent to determine whether the interest which the donor gave was a present or future interest rather than to determine the quality of the estate received by any particular beneficiary. It is clear that the donor parted completely with the subject-matter of the gifts, including all right, title, and interest in possession or enjoyment, at the time of making the transfer. We think it clearly appears, when we consider that the donor, after the gifts were made, had no longer any interest whatever, present or future, in the stock and funds donated, that the gifts were of a present interest.
“Assuming, however, that the nature of the gifts is to be considered from the standpoint of the character of the interests received rather than that of those given, the trustees undoubtedly took present interests. Inasmuch as the term ‘person’ is defined by section 1111 of the act to include a trust or estate, the trust estates here involved must be held to be those persons to whom the gifts were made within the meaning of section 504(h). That is the reason assigned for a similar conclusion by the Seventh Circuit in Commissioner of Internal Revenue v. Wells (C.C.A.) 88 F.2d 339.
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SANBORN, Circuit Judge.
This is a petition to review a decision of the Board of Tax Appeals (37 B. T. A. 308) redetermining a deficiency in gift taxes of the petitioner for the year 1934, under the Revenue Act of 1932.1
The facts are not in dispute. On November 7, 1934, the taxpayer executed and delivered a trust instrument to three trustees, irrevocably transferring to them, in trust, personal property of the value of $205,222.27. The trust was created for the benefit of the taxpayer and her four children. By its terms, she retained a life interest in 40% of the entire net income. The trustees were directed to pay to her son Stewart H. Clifford 12%% of the entire net income. They were directed to hold 12%% of such income for the benefit of her son Benjamin B. Clifford, but with the discretion to pay over to him only so much thereof as might to them seem best, and with power to pay all or a portion thereof to his wife “and/or” children; any unexpended portion of such income to be invested for his benefit “and/or” that of his wife and children. The trustees were directed to hold 12%% of such income for the benefit of the taxpayer’s son Arthur F. Clifford upon the same terms and conditions as were applicable to Benjamin B. Clifford. The trustees were directed to hold 12%% of such income for the benefit of the taxpayer’s daughter, Katherine Clifford, with discretion to pay over only so much of the income to her as to them seemed best, and to invest any unexpended balance for her benefit. The remaining 10% of the net income was to be accumulated, invested and held “as a reserve fund, with absolute power and discretion in said trustees to pay over to” the taxpayer, “during her lifetime, such part, if any of this 10% of the entire net income of said trust, and accumulations, if any, thereon, as may to said trustees seem best, and with absolute power and discretion in said trustees, after the death of” the taxpayer, “to pay over to the children of” the taxpayer, “or to their successors in interest as hereinafter provided, such part, if any, of this 10% of the entire net income of said trust and accumulations, if any, thereon, as may to said trustees seem best * * *”
In her gift tax return for the year 1934, the taxpayer, in the belief that in creating this trust she had made four gifts — one to each of her four children — excluded $20,000 by virtue of Section 504(b). (See footnote 1.) She also assumed, in making her return, that she had retained a life interest in 50% of the income from the property transferred in trust. She paid her tax upon that basis.
[644]*644The Commissioner of Internal Revenue determined that the taxpayer’s gifts to three of her children were of “future interests”, and that she was entitled to but one exclusion of $5,000, which was on account of the unconditional gift to her son Stewart. The Commissioner also determined that she had not retained a life interest in the “reserve fund”, but had such an interest in only 40% of the income of the trust estate.2 This action of the Commissioner resulted in the deficiency complained of.
The taxpayer petitioned the Board of Tax Appeals for a redetermination. Before the Board, apparently only two questions were presented: (1) Did the transfer by the taxpayer to the trust which she created constitute a single gift entitling her to one exclusion of $5,000, or did it constitute four gifts, one to each of her four children, who were the beneficiaries of the trust? (2) Did the taxpayer retain a legal or equitable interest in the “reserve fund” set up by the trust instrument? The Board ruled that the taxpayer had made but a single gift, of which the trust was the donee, and that she had retained no interest in the reserve fund which could be considered in determining her gift tax.3
[645]*645Three questions are presented to this Court for decision:
1. Did the transfer in trust constitute one gift to the trust or four gifts to the beneficiaries ?
2. If it constituted four gifts, were three of them gifts of “future interests”?
3. Did the taxpayer retain an interest in the reserve fund which should have been taken into consideration in computing her tax liability?
1. In support of his contention that the taxpayer made a single gift to her trust, the Commissioner cites Commissioner v. Wells, 7 Cir., 88 F.2d 339, and Commissioner v. Krebs, 3 Cir., 90 F.2d 880. The question considered in those cases was whether certain gifts in trust were gifts of present or of future interests. In the Wells case, the court, in discussing that question, said (page 341 of 88 F.2d) :
“Under the undisputed evidence all the elements of a consummated gift were present. With respect to the donor the transfer was not in futuro. He thereby divested himself of all vestige of title, and no future act on his part could modify or abrogate his act. Likewise, the donees were competent to accept the gifts, and they did so immediately. True they were trusts, but they were no different from persons, for the Act so states. They took immediate title to and possession of all the property from the donor; they put it to instant use for the directed purpose of building up an estate for the ultimate and contingent beneficiaries, who were named specifically. The fact that those beneficiaries did not come into possession of the corpus until some time in the future, dependent upon some contingency, does not make the donor’s act any the less a completed transfer to the trustees. The fact must not be overlooked that the Act involved relates to transfers and not receipts.”
In the Krebs case, the court said (page 881 of 90 F.2d):
“We are of the opinion that the gifts were gifts of a present interest, whether the test used be the nature of the interest which the donor gave, or the nature of the interest which the trustees or the cestuis que trusts received. Since the statute imposes the tax upon the donor, it seems pertinent to determine whether the interest which the donor gave was a present or future interest rather than to determine the quality of the estate received by any particular beneficiary. It is clear that the donor parted completely with the subject-matter of the gifts, including all right, title, and interest in possession or enjoyment, at the time of making the transfer. We think it clearly appears, when we consider that the donor, after the gifts were made, had no longer any interest whatever, present or future, in the stock and funds donated, that the gifts were of a present interest.
“Assuming, however, that the nature of the gifts is to be considered from the standpoint of the character of the interests received rather than that of those given, the trustees undoubtedly took present interests. Inasmuch as the term ‘person’ is defined by section 1111 of the act to include a trust or estate, the trust estates here involved must be held to be those persons to whom the gifts were made within the meaning of section 504(h). That is the reason assigned for a similar conclusion by the Seventh Circuit in Commissioner of Internal Revenue v. Wells (C.C.A.) 88 F.2d 339.
“We are further of the opinion that tested by the nature of the gifts to the cestuis que trusts, the donor was entitled to the deduction. The donees were named, the respective values of the gifts to them were ascertainable, and they were given the use of the income and of the unexpended accumulated income without an intervening estate, even though physical possession was postponed.”
It is to be noted that in the Wells case, the court held that the trust was the donee of the gift; while in the Krebs case the [646]*646court, after expressing the same view, ruled that the gifts there in question were gifts of present interests, whether regarded as having been made to the trust or to the beneficiaries.
In this connection, it is interesting to note that in his letter to the taxpayer, written on January 30, 1936, the Commissioner does not refer to the trust as the donee of the taxpayer, but refers to the beneficiaries of the trust as the donees. The Wells case was decided February 22, 1937. The taxpayer. had filed her petition on August 7, 1936, for a redetermination of the deficiency determined by the Commissioner, and the decision of the Board was promulgated February 9, 1938. It is obvious that the Commissioner was originally of the opinion that this taxpayer had made four gifts to her children, three of which he regarded as gifts of future interests. It is apparent that the Wells case is the basis for the doctrine, adopted by the Commissioner and by the Board of Tax Appeals, that a transfer in trust such as that here involved constitutes a gift to a trust.4
The taxpayer relies upon Davidson v. Welch, D.C.Mass., 22 F.Supp. 726; Welch v. Davidson, 1 Cir., 102 F.2d 100, affirming Davidson v. Welch; and Ryerson v. United States, D.C., N.D.Ill., 28 F.Supp. 265, decided March 31, 1939, 1939 C. C. H. Federal Tax Service, Vol. 4, par. 9485. The Commissioner concedes that these cases sustain the contention of the taxpayer that she made four gifts, but is of the opinion that the cases were not correctly decided.
The following excerpts from the opinion in the case of Welch v. Davidson, supra, indicate the views of the United States Circuit Court of Appeals for the First Circuit with respect to the question under consideration (page 102, 103 of 102 F.2d):
“It must be conceded that in equity the beneficiary of a trust is the owner of the trust res; that he has an equitable estate in the property constituting the trust and is considered the real owner; that the trustee, on the other hand, holds the legal title to the property with the right to administer it for, the benefit of the beneficiary and in accordance with the terms of the trust; and that a gift, whether it is a direct one or an indirect one through the instrumentality of a trust, is the transfer of property with donative intent;
“We think it is plain enough that a beneficiary under an irrevocable trust, who takes a present interest (which it is conceded the beneficiaries in this case did), is the donee on whom the donor intended to bestow his bounty and that the trustee, to whom he conveys the legal title devoid of any beneficial interest, is not. Does the Revenue Act of 1932 call for a different interpretation ?
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“The statute of 1932, like that of 1924, was ‘not aimed at every transfer of a legal title without consideration.’ It was aimed at transfers that ‘had come to be identified more nearly with a change of economic benefits than with technicalities of title’, at ‘transfers of the title that have the quality of a gift.’ Surely transfer of title to the trustee did not partake of the quality of a gift. The trustee was not the object of the plaintiff’s bounty. The transfer to it of the bare legal title effected ‘no change of economic benefits’ in its behalf. The beneficiaries are the donees.
“While the government has simply assigned as error the denial of its request for a ruling that under the trust indenture of January 18, 1934, the trustee is the donee within the provisions of Section [647]*647504(b) of the Revenue Act of 1932, it now contends that under the trust indenture of January 18, 1934, the trust is the donee, as Section 1111(a) (1) of the Act of 1932, 26 U.S.C.A. § 1696(a) (1), states that the word ‘person’, as used in that Act, means ‘an individual, a trust or estate, a partnership or corporation.’ But if Section 1111(a) (1) is applicable, the question presented does not differ from the one raised by the assignment of error which we have already considered and held that the daughters of the donor, the individuals for whom the gifts were intended and to whom the economic interests were transferred are the donees.”
We are in entire accord with the views expressed by that court and with the conclusion reached by it. The tax, as we understand, was 'not a tax upon all transfers made without consideration, but was a gift tax, namely, a tax upon transfers having the attributes of a gift. The conveyance by the taxpayer to her trustees of the legal title and of the right to possession of the trust estate, for the purpose of managing and administering it in accordance with the terms of the trust instrument, was unquestionably a transfer in trust, but it seems to us that it would be contrary to common sense to call it a gift to a trust. With respect to her trust and her trustees, the taxpayer was a giver of no gifts. She was a creator of the trust, the grantor of certain rights, powers and duties to those who were selected by her to administer the trust estate for the benefit of herself and her children. By virtue of the trust relationship which she created, the trustees acquired the legal title to the property which she conveyed, and became obligated to perform the services required and to fulfill the duties imposed by the trust instrument. To the extent of the reasonable value of the services rendered by them, the trustees would be entitled to compensation. The transfer, so far as they were concerned, was not even a transfer without consideration. It was a business arrangement from which they were to derive a reasonable compensation. Their promise to fulfill the duties and obligations imposed upon them was an adequate consideration for the transfer. They became the administrators of the trust estate which the taxpayer created. Whether the trust itself be regarded as a person, a thing or as a mere abstraction, we, think is not important. We are unable to perceive how it might reasonably be treated as the recipient of a gift from the taxpayer. The object which the taxpayer had in view in creating the trust was not to confer any boon upon her trust or her trustees. To her the trust was a mere device, means, method or mechanism for enabling her to effectuate her wishes with respect to the management of her estate and the distribution of the income derived therefrom to herself and to her children. Only the transfers of the beneficial interests in the trust estate to the children possessed any of the characteristics of gifts. If it had been possible for the taxpayer to give directly to each of her children exactly the same interest in her property which she transferred to them by the trust instrument, the number of gifts would have been the same, since the same or similar benefits would have been transferred to the same donees without the intervention of the trust.
It is our conclusion that the taxpayer, in creating this trust, made four gifts — one to each of her children — and that she made no gift or gifts to the trust or to the trustees.
2. The Commissioner contends, however, that, even if this is so, it would make no difference in the taxpayer’s gift tax liability, since only her son Stewart received an unconditional present vested interest in his share of the income of the trust estate, and the interests of the other three children are to be regarded as “future interests”. The Commissioner directs attention to the fact that by the terms of the trust instrument the trustees are not required to pay to these three children their proportion of the income, but may accumulate it for their benefit, or, in the case of two of them, may pay it to them, their wives or children. It is true that the three children, other than Stewart, received no unconditional right to have their shares of the income paid to them by the trustees. It is equally true, however, that the taxpayer retained no interest in the shares of income which were assigned to them, and that, by the terms of the trust, each of them (or the wives and children of the two sons) were to have his or her share or it was to be accumulated for his or her benefit. The enjoyment of the benefits conferred upon three of her children by the taxpayer was conditional, but it was to commence at once and not at some future date and was for their sole and immediate benefit.
[648]*648Commissioner v. Wells, supra, 88 F.2d 339, dealt with the interest of a beneficiary of a trust which provided for the accumulation of income until he became of age, when he was to receive ,the income until he was thirty or until the death of his mother, when he was to receive the corpus. It was held that this was, not a gift of a future interest, mainly upon the ground, that it was the interest transferred by the taxpayer, and not that received by the beneficiary, which determined whether the gift was of a present or a future interest.
Commissioner v. Krebs, supra, 90 F.2d 880, dealt with trusts which directed the' trustees to use the .income from the trust estates for the support, maintenance, benefit and education of named beneficiaries until they were twenty-five years of age, the unexpended income to be then paid to them or to their issue, appointees or distributees. It was held that the gifts, whether regarded as being to the trust or to the beneficiaries, were not gifts of “future interests”.
In Noyes v. Hassett, D.C.Mass., 20 F. Supp. 31, the court ruled that under a trust which permitted the trustees to accumulate income fqr the beneficiaries and to pay it to them or their guardians, or for the use or benefit of the beneficiaries with discretion in the trustees to determine what expenditures were for the use or benefit of the beneficiaries, the gifts were not of future interests, citing the Wells case and the Krebs case.
The case of Davidson v. Welch, supra, 22 F.Supp. 726, rejected the contention that the interests of the children of Davidson, under the trust there considered, which were not subject to immediate enjoyment, were future interests, and also the doctrine that the transfer in trust was one gift to a trust. On the appeal in that case, the ruling that the children took present interests was not assigned as error. Welch v. Davidson, supra, page 101 of 102 F.2d.
The Commissioner cites no case which sustains his position that the interests donated by the taxpayer to, or for the benefit of, three of her children, were future interests, and we think that they were not.
3. With respect to the third question, the Board of Tax Appeals'was of the opin-' ion that the taxpayer had retained no legal or equitable interest in the reserve fund of the trust which would affect her gift tax liability. We agree. Whether she would ever receive any of this reserve fund depended entirely upon the trustees, over whose acts she retained no control. The fact that the record shows that they have paid it to her or used it for her benefit, we do not consider of importance. By the terms of the trust instrument, they might distribute all or part of the reserve fund to her during her lifetime, or they might withhold all of it. A somewhat analogous situation was ruled upon by this Court in Helvering v. St. Louis Union Trust Co., 8 Cir., 75 F.2d 416. There a trustee had been given discretionary power to terminate the trust, and the trust instrument provided that if it was terminated the estate was to revert to the grantor. This Court held that the possibility that the trust would be terminated during the grantor’s lifetime would not make the transfer one to take effect in possession or enjoyment at or after death, and that at the time the grantor created the trust he parted with all beneficial interest in the trust estate. The Supreme Court affirmed. Helvering v. St. Louis Union Trust Co., 296 U.S. 39, 56 S.Ct. 74, 80 L.Ed. 29, 100 A.L.R. 1239. It seems to us that the taxpayer, here, parted with all beneficial interest in the reserve fund by the terms of her trust. Compare St. Louis Union Trust Co. v. Becker, 8 Cir., 76 F.2d 851. Certainly no one could compute the value of the taxpayer’s hope or expectation that her trustees would pay over to her or expend for her benefit the 10% of income constituting the reserve fund.
The decision of the Board is affirmed in so far as it holds that the taxpayer retained a life interest in only 40 per cent of the income from the trust estate. It is reversed in so far as it holds that the taxpayer was entitled to one exclusion for one gift, instead of four exclusions for four gifts. The case is remanded to the Board for a redetermination of the deficiency in accordance with this opinion.