Williams, J.
Whether it was necessary for a defendant to object to the failure to grant as well as request a jury instruction on lesser included offenses in order to preserve the point for appeal was the principal issue in the Court of Appeals and in the briefs and arguments before this Court. However, careful study of the record reveals that there is a threshold issue before that, namely, was there in fact a legal request. If there was not, then there are two further issues in this case. One, should the trial court have on its own initiative given such an instruction, even without any request. The other, without either an objection or a request are the merits of the matter properly before this Court, and if not, should this Court consider them sua sponte.
Our dispositive finding and ruling is simple and short. We find that defendant did not make a legal request for instructions on lesser included charges in writing as required by GCE 1963, 516.1, if indeed he made any request at all. The trial court’s failure to give instructions on the lesser included charges is not reversible error. People v Allie, 216 Mich 133 (1921). The trial court and the Court of Appeals are affirmed.
Analysis of the facts of the alleged offense, dialogues between attorneys and judge and consideration of arguments of counsel, however, are more [631]*631complicated and take longer. Defense counsel was zealous and imaginative and the prosecutor also supplied a thorough brief.
I. FACTS OF THE CASE AND CASE HISTORY
The defendant Ronald Wynn, his brother Kenneth Wynn, and James White were charged on two counts, robbery armed and breaking and entering with intent to commit felonious assault. The complainant Ruth Turner and her new boyfriend Ernest Jackson were badly beaten and treated at a hospital as a result of the defendants entering her apartment about midnight and finding the two of them in bed together.
Ruth Turner admitted previous intimacies with James White but stated that they had subsequently quarreled violently and he had beaten her and threatened her life. She testified she had asked for her keys back from him and told him not to come to her apartment again. Both she and Ernest Jackson testified to meeting with neighbors in her apartment the night of the incident. Afterwards before retiring, they fastened a sliding inner latch she had put on her apartment door for fear of White using his key to get in. Ruth Turner further testified that defendants broke in after midnight, that White beat her with a pistol, said “Get up bitch,” and later continued to beat her while Ronald Wynn held her. Ernest Jackson testified to the breaking in and being pistol whipped. Both testified to being hospitalized.
One of the neighbors, Cora Brown, testified to hearing a commotion in the Turner apartment hours after visiting Turner and Jackson and hearing White whom she had met through Ruth Turner say “Get up bitch.” After she heard that she ran for help and the police. Later she saw the three defendants running away.
[632]*632Officer Lawrence Seneski who policed tbe disturbance testified that when he arrived shortly after the incident and the defendants had fled, he found the bottom panel of the door had been kicked out. Detective John Uruhart testified that later that morning he went to interview Ruth Turner and found “the bottom panel of the door was opened, looked as though it was kicked out, but was back in the place when I arrived there.”
Officer Seneski testified both Turner and Jackson had “multiple abrasions and lacerations about the face” and were “bleeding about the nose and mouth.” He also said “her eyes were swollen” and that both left for the hospital.
Ronald Wynn and White testified for the defense that they visited the Turner apartment near midnight because she had earlier in the day requested by phone that White come and see her, that they entered using the key that Ruth Turner had given White, which White said she had begged him to keep. That key and the outside apartment building door key were introduced into evidence. They testified that they did nothing but talk until Jackson lunged at White with a knife, when White hit Jackson and disarmed him, and shortly after this, at Wynn’s urging they left, although White said Jackson offered him a beer and said “Let’s reason this out, man to man.”
Before charging the jury, the Honorable Robert DeMascio, trial judge, called the three counsel for the three defendants and the assistant prosecutor into chambers for discussion of jury charges. It was here that defendant Wynn claims that a request for an instruction on lesser included offenses was made. (The record of the colloquy will be set out later.) After the court charged the jury and the jury had retired, the court asked counsel for “Addi[633]*633tions or corrections.” A number of requests were made but none went to a lesser included offense charge. Certain additional charges were made, after which counsel were asked again whether there were further requests, but all said they were satisfied.
On January 17, 1969, the jury found defendant Ronald Wynn guilty on the charge of breaking and entering with intent to commit a felonious assault. However, the jury could not reach a verdict on the charge of robbery armed, and the charge was subsequently dismissed.
The Court of Appeals affirmed the defendant’s conviction on February 22, 1971. The Court held that though the defendant produced evidence compatible with lesser included offenses, the trial court did not err in failing to instruct as to the lesser included offenses as none of the three attorneys for the codefendants objected to the instructions as given. On May 19, 1971, this Court granted the defendant’s delayed application for leave to appeal.
The defendant requests a new trial on the grounds that the lesser included offenses of entering without breaking and entering without permission should have been included in the instructions to the jury. He contends that once a request for an instruction has been made and denied, an objection to the instructions as given serves no purpose and thus is not necessary. The defendant cites GCR 1963, 507.5 for the proposition that if a party makes known to the court the action which it desires, a formal objection is not necessary.
The people argue first no one made a request for a lesser included charge; second, defendant Ronald Wynn’s attorney never requested such a charge; third, the codefendant’s attorney who requested such an instruction acquiesced in the trial court’s ruling [634]*634that such an instruction would not be given; fourth, even if a request for such an instruction were in fact made and should have been granted, failure of the trial court to give it does not constitute reversible error as no objection was raised to the instructions as given.
The people rely upon GCR 1963, 516 which states:
“1. Request for Instructions. At or before the close of the evidence, any party may, or at any time the Court reasonably directs, the parties shall, file written requests that the Court instruct the jury on the law as set forth in the request. * * *
“2. Objections. No party may assign as error the giving or the failure to give an instruction unless he objects thereto before the jury retires to consider the verdict, stating specifically the matter to which he objects and the grounds of his objection.
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Williams, J.
Whether it was necessary for a defendant to object to the failure to grant as well as request a jury instruction on lesser included offenses in order to preserve the point for appeal was the principal issue in the Court of Appeals and in the briefs and arguments before this Court. However, careful study of the record reveals that there is a threshold issue before that, namely, was there in fact a legal request. If there was not, then there are two further issues in this case. One, should the trial court have on its own initiative given such an instruction, even without any request. The other, without either an objection or a request are the merits of the matter properly before this Court, and if not, should this Court consider them sua sponte.
Our dispositive finding and ruling is simple and short. We find that defendant did not make a legal request for instructions on lesser included charges in writing as required by GCE 1963, 516.1, if indeed he made any request at all. The trial court’s failure to give instructions on the lesser included charges is not reversible error. People v Allie, 216 Mich 133 (1921). The trial court and the Court of Appeals are affirmed.
Analysis of the facts of the alleged offense, dialogues between attorneys and judge and consideration of arguments of counsel, however, are more [631]*631complicated and take longer. Defense counsel was zealous and imaginative and the prosecutor also supplied a thorough brief.
I. FACTS OF THE CASE AND CASE HISTORY
The defendant Ronald Wynn, his brother Kenneth Wynn, and James White were charged on two counts, robbery armed and breaking and entering with intent to commit felonious assault. The complainant Ruth Turner and her new boyfriend Ernest Jackson were badly beaten and treated at a hospital as a result of the defendants entering her apartment about midnight and finding the two of them in bed together.
Ruth Turner admitted previous intimacies with James White but stated that they had subsequently quarreled violently and he had beaten her and threatened her life. She testified she had asked for her keys back from him and told him not to come to her apartment again. Both she and Ernest Jackson testified to meeting with neighbors in her apartment the night of the incident. Afterwards before retiring, they fastened a sliding inner latch she had put on her apartment door for fear of White using his key to get in. Ruth Turner further testified that defendants broke in after midnight, that White beat her with a pistol, said “Get up bitch,” and later continued to beat her while Ronald Wynn held her. Ernest Jackson testified to the breaking in and being pistol whipped. Both testified to being hospitalized.
One of the neighbors, Cora Brown, testified to hearing a commotion in the Turner apartment hours after visiting Turner and Jackson and hearing White whom she had met through Ruth Turner say “Get up bitch.” After she heard that she ran for help and the police. Later she saw the three defendants running away.
[632]*632Officer Lawrence Seneski who policed tbe disturbance testified that when he arrived shortly after the incident and the defendants had fled, he found the bottom panel of the door had been kicked out. Detective John Uruhart testified that later that morning he went to interview Ruth Turner and found “the bottom panel of the door was opened, looked as though it was kicked out, but was back in the place when I arrived there.”
Officer Seneski testified both Turner and Jackson had “multiple abrasions and lacerations about the face” and were “bleeding about the nose and mouth.” He also said “her eyes were swollen” and that both left for the hospital.
Ronald Wynn and White testified for the defense that they visited the Turner apartment near midnight because she had earlier in the day requested by phone that White come and see her, that they entered using the key that Ruth Turner had given White, which White said she had begged him to keep. That key and the outside apartment building door key were introduced into evidence. They testified that they did nothing but talk until Jackson lunged at White with a knife, when White hit Jackson and disarmed him, and shortly after this, at Wynn’s urging they left, although White said Jackson offered him a beer and said “Let’s reason this out, man to man.”
Before charging the jury, the Honorable Robert DeMascio, trial judge, called the three counsel for the three defendants and the assistant prosecutor into chambers for discussion of jury charges. It was here that defendant Wynn claims that a request for an instruction on lesser included offenses was made. (The record of the colloquy will be set out later.) After the court charged the jury and the jury had retired, the court asked counsel for “Addi[633]*633tions or corrections.” A number of requests were made but none went to a lesser included offense charge. Certain additional charges were made, after which counsel were asked again whether there were further requests, but all said they were satisfied.
On January 17, 1969, the jury found defendant Ronald Wynn guilty on the charge of breaking and entering with intent to commit a felonious assault. However, the jury could not reach a verdict on the charge of robbery armed, and the charge was subsequently dismissed.
The Court of Appeals affirmed the defendant’s conviction on February 22, 1971. The Court held that though the defendant produced evidence compatible with lesser included offenses, the trial court did not err in failing to instruct as to the lesser included offenses as none of the three attorneys for the codefendants objected to the instructions as given. On May 19, 1971, this Court granted the defendant’s delayed application for leave to appeal.
The defendant requests a new trial on the grounds that the lesser included offenses of entering without breaking and entering without permission should have been included in the instructions to the jury. He contends that once a request for an instruction has been made and denied, an objection to the instructions as given serves no purpose and thus is not necessary. The defendant cites GCR 1963, 507.5 for the proposition that if a party makes known to the court the action which it desires, a formal objection is not necessary.
The people argue first no one made a request for a lesser included charge; second, defendant Ronald Wynn’s attorney never requested such a charge; third, the codefendant’s attorney who requested such an instruction acquiesced in the trial court’s ruling [634]*634that such an instruction would not be given; fourth, even if a request for such an instruction were in fact made and should have been granted, failure of the trial court to give it does not constitute reversible error as no objection was raised to the instructions as given.
The people rely upon GCR 1963, 516 which states:
“1. Request for Instructions. At or before the close of the evidence, any party may, or at any time the Court reasonably directs, the parties shall, file written requests that the Court instruct the jury on the law as set forth in the request. * * *
“2. Objections. No party may assign as error the giving or the failure to give an instruction unless he objects thereto before the jury retires to consider the verdict, stating specifically the matter to which he objects and the grounds of his objection. Opportunity shall be given to make the objection out of the hearing of the jury.”
In addition, the people argued that the question raised in the trial court by defense counsel relative to lesser included offenses concerned “breaking without intent to steal or entering without permission,” whereas the theory of defendant’s case was based on entry with permission i.e., with the victim’s keys. In other words the alleged request for inclusion of lesser offenses concerned entry “without permission,” whereas the defendant’s case was based on an inconsistent theory of entry “with permission”.
II. (FIRST ISSUE)—DID DEFENDANT REQUEST INSTRUCTION?
II (A)—FACTS.
If any request for jury instruction was made, it occurred in the following in chambers colloquy. Incidentally, Mr. Klein was attorney for defendant [635]*635James White; Mr. Stackpoole for Ronald Wynn, the defendant in this action; Mr. Jones was attorney for defendant Kenneth Wynn; and Mr. Gibbs was an assistant prosecuting attorney. This is what the record shows:
“In-chambers discussion of proposed charges:
“The Court: We will retire to chambers.
(Whereupon the following colloquy ensued between Court and counsel in chambers.)
“The Court: All right. Now, no one has submitted charges here in writing and I trust that you have not filed them, at least up to this point. Do you have one filed now?
“Mr. Klein: No.
“Mr. Stackpoole: Not now.
“Mr. Jones: No written instructions.
“Mr. Gibbs: I have some written notes.
“The Court: I recognise charges that are filed formally in writing and made a part of the file. That is the only way that the Court of Appeals knows there were submitted charges. All right.
“The Court: * * * Anything more?
“Mr. Jones: I am sure that the second count has included offenses.
“The Court: Felonious assault has an included offense, Mr. Jones, and the included offense in felonious assault is aggravated assault or assault and battery.
“Mr. Jones: I will go along with that, but I am saying there is included offenses for B and E.
“The Court: No.
“Mr. Jones: Like breaking without intent to steal or entering without permission.
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“The Court: No; not under these facts. Too much evidence indicates that the door was broken into.
“Mr. Jones: But not enough evidence to show intent to commit a felony therein, to-wit, felonious assault.
“The Court: There is plenty of evidence of that.
“Mr. Jones: All right.
“The Court: That’s right. I think defense counsel are not requesting included charges. They are saying that there was nothing here, no robbery. * * *
“How can you have included offenses on a record like this? I wouldn’t grant it for the prosecutor. They don’t request it. Anything further?” (Emphasis supplied.)
II (B)—WAS THERE A REQUEST IN FACT?
It’s highly dubious that the above colloquy includes a request for instructions.
On the one hand, attorney Jones did in fact raise the matter of lesser included offenses. He said among other things “I am sure that the second count has included offenses * * * I am saying there is included offenses for B and E * * * like breaking without intent to steal or entering without permission.”
But on the other hand, in the entire colloquy there is no language equivalent to “I request”.
The nature of the dialogue rather than being in the form of a request for an instruction is in the form of a legal discussion between two lawyers as to whether or not under the facts of the case there could be lesser included offenses. Attorney Jones seemed to be reaching for an idea, but as soon as he got near one, the court shot the idea down before he could reduce it to possession.
[637]*637Attorney Jones’s first attempt “I am sure that the second count has included offenses” is shot down by the court coming up with included offenses for the first count. Then attorney Jones shifts back to “included offenses for B and E # * * Like breaking without intent to steal or entering without permission.” The court harpoons that with “No; not under these facts. Too much evidence indicates that the door was broken into.” Whereupon attorney Jones says “But not enough evidence to show intent to commit a felony therein * * * ”, arguing for his suggestion “breaking without intent to steal.” The court spears this with “There is plenty of evidence of that”. It is possible that attorney Jones might have had in mind making a request for a jury instruction on lesser included offenses, but it is very difficult from any reasonable interpretation of the language used to say that he actually got around to articulating any such request.
II (C)—IF THERE WAS AN INCHOATE REQUEST, WAS IT RECEDED FROM?
Assuming arguendo that an inchoate or any kind of request was made, was it receded from?
Attorney Jones after the above discussed dialogue with his suggestions or arguments being torpedoed by the Court faster than he could come up with them, responded “A ll right.” “All right” indicates acquiescence or withdrawal.
In any event, on two subsequent occasions, first after the court charged the jury and the jury had retired, and second after supplemental charges were made, the court specifically asked all defense counsel whether they were satisfied with the charges and all indicated they were.
[638]*638Under these circumstances the Court finds that if an inchoate or any other kind of request were made, it was receded from.
II (D)—WAS THERE A REQUEST: TRIAL COURT’S ATTITUDE.
The trial court made it clear that he didn’t think there had been a request for a jury instruction on lesser included offenses. In the above colloquy in chambers the trial judge began by asking whether any one had submitted “charges here in writing” and subsequently emphasized the point by saying: “I recognize charges that are filed formally in writing * * * That is the only way that the Court of Appeals knows there were submitted charges.” The colloquy ended with adjournment.
Just prior to adjournment, the assistant prosecuting attorney, using the word “request” formally asked for an included lesser offense on the first count only to be refused with the word “denied.” The assistant prosecutor then said: “The record is clear.” To which the court replied: “That’s right. I think defense counsel are not requesting included charges. * * * They don’t request it. Anything further?” (Emphasis added.) Defendant Ronald Wynn’s attorney Mr. Stackpoole replied: “Yes. Is it your intention not to charge the jury until tomorrow or don’t you know yet?” The judge said he didn’t know yet and adjourned the session.
In other words, the court said “I think defense counsel are not requesting included charges” in the presence of defense counsel on the record, and no one there corrected him, if they didn’t agree with him. With an adjournment a proper written instruction could easily have been prepared, if desired.
On the record, therefore, it appears clear that the court did not consider that any request for a charge [639]*639on lesser included offenses had been made, had indicated any such request would have had to be in writing, and had said in so many words before defense counsel that he thought “defense counsel are not requesting included charges” without defense counsel taking any advantage of the opportunities to request instruction on lesser included charges or object to the failure to so charge.
II (E)—WAS THERE A REQUEST: GCR 1963, 516.1?
As already indicated we are not convinced that an actual request for jury instructions on lesser included offenses was made, even orally. However, we find that if any were attempted, such inchoate request was abandoned.
However that may be, we agree with the trial judge that requests for jury instructions should be in writing as required by GCR 1963, 516.1 and this holding controls this branch of the case.
The perambulations required in this case because defense counsel failed to abide by GCR 1963, 516.1 are reason enough for enforcing this rule.
Since we find there was no request for instruction, we find it unnecessary to consider whether an objection in addition is necessary, or to review the Court of Appeals opinion requiring such a request.
III. (SECOND ISSUE)—SHOULD TRIAL COURT ON OWN INITIATIVE HAVE GIVEN INSTRUCTION ON LESSER INCLUDED OFFENSES WITHOUT REQUEST OR OBJECTION?
People v Allie, 216 Mich 133 (1921) is dispositive of this issue. It is a strong case because the defense cited a number of Michigan rape cases holding that [640]*640“the trial court must, upon his own initiative, instruct the jury as to the lesser offenses included in the offense charged.” The prosecutor cited Michigan cases to the opposite effect. (P 135.) This Court looked to 3 Comp Laws 1915, § 15616 and observed: “This statute would clearly give a defendant in a criminal case the right to have the jury instructed that he could be convicted of any of the included offenses.” “The question then arises,” this Court said, “whether it was reversible error for the trial court to neglect to give this instruction upon his own initiative.” (P 136.) This Court thereupon considered the cases in the field and answered its own question—no, it is not reversible error, by affirming the conviction without the lesser offenses having been charged. Furthermore, in reaching this conclusion, this Court said that the rape cases requiring the trial court to charge on lesser included offenses on its own initative “have gone too far * * * and * * # are out of line with the general rule * * * [and] must be modified to conform with the general rule.” (P 138.)
This rule was recognized, describing subsequent adopting cases, but distinguished, in People v Jones, 273 Mich 430 (1935). That case neatly described the rule: “ * * * in the absence of a request to charge, the court does not err in failing to instruct upon the included offenses.” (P 432.) See also Sarazin v Johnson Creamery, Inc, 372 Mich 358, 363 (1964).
To the same effect is section 29 of the Code of Criminal Procedure (MCLA 768.29; MSA 28.1052) which reads as follows:
“It shall be the duty of the judge to control all proceedings during the trial, and to limit the introduction of evidence and the argument of counsel to relevant and material matters, with a view to the expeditious and effective ascertainment of the truth [641]*641regarding the matters involved. The court shall instruct the jury as to the law applicable to the case and in his charge make such comment on the evidence, the testimony and character of any witnesses, as in his opinion the interest of justice may require. The failure of the court to instruct on any point of law shall not be ground for setting aside the verdict of the jury unless such instruction is requested by the accused.”
There is a different rule which is sometimes, and in this case was, confused with the rule in Allie. The distinction is carefully and aptly drawn in People v Jones, supra. As just noted, Jones described the Allie rule as “ # * in the absence of a request to charge, the court does not err in failing to instruct upon the included offenses.” Jones then went on:
“However, the rule does not excuse improper instructions. Here the court did more than fail to charge upon the included offenses. It affirmatively excluded them from the consideration from the jury. This was error because, under 3 Comp Laws 1929, § 17325, the jury was authorized to find the defendant guilty of a lesser offense than rape.” (Emphasis added.) (273 Mich 430, 432.)
To the same effect are People v Lemmons, 384 Mich 1 (1970); People v Guillett, 342 Mich 1 (1955); People v Hamilton, 76 Mich 212, 216 (1889); People v Murray, 72 Mich 10, 16 (1888); People v Reece, 9 Mich App 108 (1967). The error referred to in these cases one way or another is not that they failed to give a charge but that the charge that was given was “improper” and erroneous.
Obviously, the instant case is not one where an “improper” charge is complained of. Rather it is one where the lesser included charges were not given. So the People v Jones rule relating to an “improper” charge is not applicable to this case.
[642]*642On tbe issue then as to whether it was reversible error for the trial court to fail on its own initiative to issue an instruction on lesser included charges, the law in Michigan is that such failure is not reversible error.
IY. (THIRD ISSUE)—SHOULD THIS COURT CONSIDER FAILURE TO CHARGE SUA SPONTEf
The leading opinion on the subject, of sua sponte appellate review is that of Chief Justice Thomas M. Kavanagh in People v Dorrikas, 354 Mich 303 (1958). There this Court although the error had not been properly saved, reversed a trial judge who had permitted highly prejudicial but unsubstantiated questions on cross examination, which seriously affected the jury’s determination of the very guilt or innocence of the defendant. Chief Justice Kavanagh spoke as follows:
“Ordinarily where no timely objection was made to the introduction of such testimony and no request to charge was made, this Court would not examine the points relied upon for reversal, and except under unusual circumstances we have no disposition to relax this rule. Nevertheless, as in a number of previous cases, this Court, in the exercise of supervisory control over all litigation, has often asserted the right to consider manifest and serious errors although objection was not made by the party who appeals. The inherent power of this Court to prevent fundamental injustice is not limited by what appellant is entitled to as a matter of right. People v Steeneck, 247 Mich 583 [1929]; People v Holmes, 292 Mich 212 [1940]; People v Kelsey, 303 Mich 715 [1942].” (354 Mich 303, 316.)
My Brother Justice Adams in People v Farmer, 380 Mich 198 (1968) has spoken to the same problem [643]*643where questionably voluntary confession was admitted without objection but later attacked after conviction in the following words:
“While this Court does have inherent power to review even if error has not been saved—People v Dorrikas (1958), 354 Mich 303—such inherrent power is to be exercised only under what appears to be compelling circumstances to avoid a miscarriage of justice or to accord a defendant a fair trial.” (380 Mich 198, 208).
People v Allie, supra, in affirming the conviction without an unrequested charge on lesser included offenses declined to look at the unpreserved error— thereby not exercising the right to review the merits sua sponte.
GCR 1963, 507.5 urged by defendant as authority for this Court to review on the merits sua sponte is not in point.
Overlooking that this rule applies to exceptions not objections or failures to request, it is instructive to analyze the text of this rule:
“Exceptions unnecessary. Formal exceptions to rulings or orders of the court are unnecessary. It is sufficient that a party, at the time of the ruling or order of the court is made or sought, makes known to the court the action which he desires the court to take or his objections to the action of the court and his grounds therefore; and, if a party had no opportunity to object to a ruling or order at the time it is made the absence of the objection does not thereafter prejudice him.” (Emphasis supplied [by defendant p 21 of his brief].)
In the face of the above statement by the trial court and silence of defense counsel after the ambiguous dialogue between the trial court and attorney Jones earlier it is stretching the English lan[644]*644guage to say that the language in the record “makes known to the court the action which he desires”. The last clause of the rule certainly does not aid the defendant’s case, because to say the failure to object is excused because there was no opportunity to object flies in the face of the record. This raises no “fundamental injustice” requiring sua sponte review.
Incidentally, at this point it may be well to note that defendants do not always want instructions on lesser included offenses. Objecting to the inclusion of lesser offenses in the trial court’s instructions2 has come to this Court on appeal. This is presumably on the ground the jury would have more difficulty in convicting the defendant on the major charge and thus be compelled to give the defendant his full freedom.
We note that counsel for a codefendant in this case speculated with the judge as to whether there were lesser proper charges in this case without making a request and in any event subsequently seeming to withdraw with an “All right.” Counsel for defendant Ronald Wynn himself never said anything about an instruction on lesser included offenses, so it is completely impossible to say what was on his mind, whether he read attorney Jones’ mind and agreed with him, whether he reluctantly agreed with the trial judge, or whether he had a defense strategy all of his own. In any event, when asked if they wanted “additions or corrections,” all ended up saying they were satisfied.
This Court does not imply the attorney for defendant Ronald Wynn did not want an instruction on lesser included offenses. It just points out that where GCR 1963, 516.1 is not adhered to, the record is too vague for proper appellate action.
[645]*645Finally, the jury verdict convicting defendant of breaking and entering with intention to commit felonious assault was justified. In the colloquy between attorney Jones and the trial judge it is clear that the judge had been persuaded by the testimony of the probability of a breaking (“Too much evidence indicates the door was broken into”) and of a felonious assault (“There is plenty of evidence of that.”). The trial judge was on the scene and had ample opportunity to weigh the testimony.
Close review of the transcript fails to reveal any reason why the jury verdict should be overturned as a miscarriage of justice. Not only did the complainant Ruth Turner and Ernest Jackson testify that the door was broken in after having been securely locked by slide bolt from within, but the broken door was observed by two police officers and testified to. The testimony of defendants that they dropped in about midnight pursuant to a phoned invitation earlier in the day and that they did nothing but talk until Jackson lunged at White with a knife when White admitted hitting Jackson and disarming him and leaving shortly thereafter loses credibility with the police report of multiple abrasions and lacerations and bleeding mouth and nose of both Ruth Turner and Ernest Jackson and Ruth Turner’s swollen eye. The neighbor Cora Brown’s testimony of hearing a great commotion and White’s calling Ruth Turner “Get up bitch” before calling the police and later seeing the three defendants running away also tests the credibility of defendant’s story in such a way as to justify the jury’s verdict.
Defendant observes in his brief “To avoid manifest injustice the courts have been willing to review charges to a jury absent either a request or an objection”, citing People v Jones, supra; People v [646]*646Reece, supra; and People v Lemmons, supra. But as we have already considered, none of these cases are in point as they apply to “improper” instructions rather than omitted instructions.
To sum up, the Allie case and the facts of the instant case make it difficult to justify this Court’s reviewing the merits of this case sua sponte.
V. CONCLUSION.
This case illustrates two things that invite commentary.
First, the failure of defense counsel in the trial court (different from those on appeal) to file a written request for instruction on lesser included offenses and to raise an objection, assuming they wanted such an instruction, can be explained only by too many cases for too few trial attorneys or sloppy practice or both. One is reminded of my Brother Justice Black’s language in Smith v Musgrove, 372. Mich 329, 339 (1964) which speaks for itself:
“Counsel for appellant owed to the trial judge clear duty, on peril of loss of right to allege reversible error, either to submit a formal request for corrective instruction on or before commencement of the jury charge the next morning, or at least to bring up at conclusion of the charge the judge’s inadvertent omission of such instruction.”
Second, there is an important though difficult line between this Court’s being protector of defendant’s right and being his advocate. As the cases considered above indicate, as far as considering the merits of granting a new trial where counsel have failed to preserve error, that is the job of counsel. However, where there is an improper charge, the observation of this Court in People v Murray, 72 Mich 10, 16 (1888) is pertinent:
[647]*647“Without any requests from counsel it is the duty of the circuit judge to see to it that the case goes to the jury in a clear and intelligent manner, so that they may have a clear and correct understanding of what it is they are to decide, and he should state to them fully the law applicable to the facts. Especially is this his duty in a criminal case. In this case it was not- so done. Too much reliance is often placed upon counsel by the court in this respect for requests; but this should not be done. The court must do its duty in a criminal case, whether counsel do so or not. It is to the court that the accused has a right to look to see that he has a fair trial.”
While these remarks apply to making improper charges, trial courts will not err if they instruct on lesser included offenses on their own initiative where that is appropriate.
Trial court and Court of Appeals affirmed.
Adams and T. E. Brennan, JJ., concurred with Williams, J.