EASTERBROOK, Circuit Judge.
Convicted of conspiring to distribute marijuana, Jeffrey Curtis and Martin Sax were sentenced to 262 months’ imprisonment apiece. See
United States v. Curtis,
37 F.3d 301 (7th Cir.1994);
United States v. Sax,
39 F.3d 1380 (7th Cir.1994) (remanding for resentencing; the 262-month term was imposed on remand). After the Supreme Court issued
Apprendi v. New Jersey,
530 U.S. 466, 120 S.Ct. 2348, 147 L.Ed.2d 435 (2000), Curtis and Sax filed collateral attacks under 28 U.S.C. § 2255, contending that their sentences are unconstitutional because the petit jury did not find beyond a reasonable doubt that they conspired to distribute the minimum quantity (100 kilograms) that would support a sentence exceeding 240 months’ imprisonment. See 21 U.S.C. § 841(b)(l)(B)(vn). When imposing sentence the district judge found that the conspirators distributed more than 1,000 kilograms of marijuana, an order of magnitude larger than the statutory threshold, but
Apprendi
establishes that this decision was made by the wrong body (the court) and under the wrong burden of persuasion (a preponderance of the evidence).
Relying on the one-year statute of limitations added to § 2255 ¶ 6 in 1996, the district court dismissed the petitions as untimely. The court recognized that a fresh year is available to take advantage of a “right ... initially recognized by the Supreme Court, if that right has been newly recognized by the Supreme Court and made retroactively applicable to cases on collateral review” (§ 2255 ¶ 6(3)) but concluded that this applies only if the Supreme Court itself has declared its new decision to be retroactive — and that Court has not deemed
Apprendi
retroactive. Shortly after the district court dismissed these petitions, we held in
Ashley v. United States,
266 F.3d 671 (7th Cir.2001), that for
initial
collateral attacks (such as these) a court of appeals or district court may make the retroactivity decision. A motions panel then issued certificates of ap-pealability and directed the parties to brief the question whether
Apprendi
should be applied retroactively. If yes, then the petitions are timely; if no, then they are untimely.
To date, five courts of appeals have held that
Apprendi
is not retroactive on collateral review. See
In re Turner,
267 F.3d 225 (3d Cir.2001);
United States v. Sanders,
247 F.3d 139 (4th Cir.2001);
United States v. Moss,
252 F.3d 993 (8th Cir.2001);
Jones v. Smith,
231 F.3d 1227 (9th Cir.2000);
McCoy v. United States,
266 F.3d 1245 (11th Cir.2001). No court of appeals has held otherwise. We agree with these holdings and preserve the appellate unanimity.
Curtis and Sax offer two principal arguments why, in their view,
Apprendi
should be applied retroactively on collateral attack under the principles of
Teague v. Lane,
489 U.S. 288, 109 S.Ct. 1060, 103 L.Ed.2d 334 (1989). (There was no majority opinion in
Teague,
but the Court has treated Justice O’Connor’s plurality opinion as the holding. See, e.g.,
Tyler v. Cain,
533 U.S. 656, 121 S.Ct. 2478, 150 L.Ed.2d 632 (2001).) One is that
Apprendi
made a substantive change in the law and hence automatically applies even to closed cases. See
Bousley v. United States,
523
U.S. 614, 619-21, 118 S.Ct. 1604, 140 L.Ed.2d 828 (1998);
Davis v. United States,
417 U.S. 338, 94 S.Ct. 2298, 41 L.Ed.2d 109 (1974). The other is the
Ap-prendi
is a “watershed” rule that “requires the observance of ‘those procedures that ... are “implicit in the concept of ordered liberty” ’ ” (Teague, 489 U.S. at 307, 109 S.Ct. 1060, quoting from
Mackey v. United States,
401 U.S. 667, 693, 91 S.Ct. 1160, 28 L.Ed.2d 404 (1971) (Harlan, J., concurring), quoting from
Palko v. Connecticut,
302 U.S. 319, 325, 58 S.Ct. 149, 82 L.Ed. 288 (1937)). See also
Sawyer v. Smith,
497 U.S. 227, 242, 110 S.Ct. 2822, 111 L.Ed.2d 193 (1990).
Bousley
and
Davis
hold that a person convicted of an act that the law does not make criminal may obtain collateral relief.
Bousley
adds that
Teague’s,
retroactivity standard applies only to changes in procedural rules. Curtis and Sax contend that
Apprendi
is substantive rather than procedural. Yet
Apprendi
is about nothing but procedure — who decides a given question (judge versus jury) and under what standard (preponderance versus reasonable doubt).
Apprendi
does not alter which facts have what legal significance, let alone suggest that conspiring to distribute marijuana is no longer a federal crime unless the jury finds that some particular quantity has been sold. Cf.
United States v. Oakland Cannabis Buyers’ Cooperative,
532 U.S. 483, 121 S.Ct. 1711, 149 L.Ed.2d 722 (2001). Although some courts of appeals held in the wake of
Apprendi
that a district court lacks jurisdiction unless the indictment charges the quantity of drugs that authorizes an enhanced penalty — and this view was the mainstay of the dissenting opinions in
Moss
and
McCoy
calling for Apprendi’s retroactive application — the Supreme Court rejected that position in
United States v. Cotton,
— U.S. -, 122 S.Ct. 1781, — L.Ed.2d -(2002). Just as we had held in
United States v. Bjorkman,
270 F.3d 482, 489-92 (7th Cir.2001), the Supreme Court concluded that the conviction remains valid although the indictment omits, and the jury does not find, facts that raise the maximum penalty.
Cotton
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EASTERBROOK, Circuit Judge.
Convicted of conspiring to distribute marijuana, Jeffrey Curtis and Martin Sax were sentenced to 262 months’ imprisonment apiece. See
United States v. Curtis,
37 F.3d 301 (7th Cir.1994);
United States v. Sax,
39 F.3d 1380 (7th Cir.1994) (remanding for resentencing; the 262-month term was imposed on remand). After the Supreme Court issued
Apprendi v. New Jersey,
530 U.S. 466, 120 S.Ct. 2348, 147 L.Ed.2d 435 (2000), Curtis and Sax filed collateral attacks under 28 U.S.C. § 2255, contending that their sentences are unconstitutional because the petit jury did not find beyond a reasonable doubt that they conspired to distribute the minimum quantity (100 kilograms) that would support a sentence exceeding 240 months’ imprisonment. See 21 U.S.C. § 841(b)(l)(B)(vn). When imposing sentence the district judge found that the conspirators distributed more than 1,000 kilograms of marijuana, an order of magnitude larger than the statutory threshold, but
Apprendi
establishes that this decision was made by the wrong body (the court) and under the wrong burden of persuasion (a preponderance of the evidence).
Relying on the one-year statute of limitations added to § 2255 ¶ 6 in 1996, the district court dismissed the petitions as untimely. The court recognized that a fresh year is available to take advantage of a “right ... initially recognized by the Supreme Court, if that right has been newly recognized by the Supreme Court and made retroactively applicable to cases on collateral review” (§ 2255 ¶ 6(3)) but concluded that this applies only if the Supreme Court itself has declared its new decision to be retroactive — and that Court has not deemed
Apprendi
retroactive. Shortly after the district court dismissed these petitions, we held in
Ashley v. United States,
266 F.3d 671 (7th Cir.2001), that for
initial
collateral attacks (such as these) a court of appeals or district court may make the retroactivity decision. A motions panel then issued certificates of ap-pealability and directed the parties to brief the question whether
Apprendi
should be applied retroactively. If yes, then the petitions are timely; if no, then they are untimely.
To date, five courts of appeals have held that
Apprendi
is not retroactive on collateral review. See
In re Turner,
267 F.3d 225 (3d Cir.2001);
United States v. Sanders,
247 F.3d 139 (4th Cir.2001);
United States v. Moss,
252 F.3d 993 (8th Cir.2001);
Jones v. Smith,
231 F.3d 1227 (9th Cir.2000);
McCoy v. United States,
266 F.3d 1245 (11th Cir.2001). No court of appeals has held otherwise. We agree with these holdings and preserve the appellate unanimity.
Curtis and Sax offer two principal arguments why, in their view,
Apprendi
should be applied retroactively on collateral attack under the principles of
Teague v. Lane,
489 U.S. 288, 109 S.Ct. 1060, 103 L.Ed.2d 334 (1989). (There was no majority opinion in
Teague,
but the Court has treated Justice O’Connor’s plurality opinion as the holding. See, e.g.,
Tyler v. Cain,
533 U.S. 656, 121 S.Ct. 2478, 150 L.Ed.2d 632 (2001).) One is that
Apprendi
made a substantive change in the law and hence automatically applies even to closed cases. See
Bousley v. United States,
523
U.S. 614, 619-21, 118 S.Ct. 1604, 140 L.Ed.2d 828 (1998);
Davis v. United States,
417 U.S. 338, 94 S.Ct. 2298, 41 L.Ed.2d 109 (1974). The other is the
Ap-prendi
is a “watershed” rule that “requires the observance of ‘those procedures that ... are “implicit in the concept of ordered liberty” ’ ” (Teague, 489 U.S. at 307, 109 S.Ct. 1060, quoting from
Mackey v. United States,
401 U.S. 667, 693, 91 S.Ct. 1160, 28 L.Ed.2d 404 (1971) (Harlan, J., concurring), quoting from
Palko v. Connecticut,
302 U.S. 319, 325, 58 S.Ct. 149, 82 L.Ed. 288 (1937)). See also
Sawyer v. Smith,
497 U.S. 227, 242, 110 S.Ct. 2822, 111 L.Ed.2d 193 (1990).
Bousley
and
Davis
hold that a person convicted of an act that the law does not make criminal may obtain collateral relief.
Bousley
adds that
Teague’s,
retroactivity standard applies only to changes in procedural rules. Curtis and Sax contend that
Apprendi
is substantive rather than procedural. Yet
Apprendi
is about nothing but procedure — who decides a given question (judge versus jury) and under what standard (preponderance versus reasonable doubt).
Apprendi
does not alter which facts have what legal significance, let alone suggest that conspiring to distribute marijuana is no longer a federal crime unless the jury finds that some particular quantity has been sold. Cf.
United States v. Oakland Cannabis Buyers’ Cooperative,
532 U.S. 483, 121 S.Ct. 1711, 149 L.Ed.2d 722 (2001). Although some courts of appeals held in the wake of
Apprendi
that a district court lacks jurisdiction unless the indictment charges the quantity of drugs that authorizes an enhanced penalty — and this view was the mainstay of the dissenting opinions in
Moss
and
McCoy
calling for Apprendi’s retroactive application — the Supreme Court rejected that position in
United States v. Cotton,
— U.S. -, 122 S.Ct. 1781, — L.Ed.2d -(2002). Just as we had held in
United States v. Bjorkman,
270 F.3d 482, 489-92 (7th Cir.2001), the Supreme Court concluded that the conviction remains valid although the indictment omits, and the jury does not find, facts that raise the maximum penalty.
Cotton
also concluded that the sentence can be valid, despite this error, even when the issue is raised on direct appeal. Because
Apprendi
is concerned with the identity of the decision-maker, and the quantum of evidence required for a sentence, rather than with what primary conduct is unlawful, it identifies a new rule of criminal procedure that falls within the set of legal changes to which the
Teague
standard applies.
Thus we must ask whether the rights identified in
Apprendi
are so fundamental that any system of ordered liberty is obliged to include them. The Supreme Court considered a related argument in
Cotton,
where the defendant insisted that failing to name the drug quantity in the indictment and obtain a resolution (beyond a reasonable doubt) by the jury is so vital that it should be deemed a “structural error” that always leads to reversal on direct appeal. The Court’s answer was that even if the error is “structural” and even if the point is raised on direct appeal, the error may not necessarily justify reversal under the plain-error standard that applies to litigants who did not present their argument to the district court. Whether it does (assuming that (1) there is error, (2) that is “plain,” and (3) affects substantial rights) will depend on the evidence in the particular case. That is to say,
Cotton
held that a decision about drug quantity made by a judge (on the preponderance standard) rather than a jury (on the reasonable-doubt standard) is not the sort of error that necessarily undermines the fairness, integrity, or public reputation of judicial proceedings. To the contrary, the Court continued,
the fairness and integrity of the criminal justice system depends on meting out to those inflicting the greatest harm on
society the most severe punishments. The real threat then to the “fairness, integrity, and public reputation of judicial proceedings” would be if [criminal defendants], despite the overwhelming and uncontroverted evidence that they were involved in a vast drug conspiracy, were to receive a sentence prescribed for those committing less substantial drug offenses because of an error that was never objected to at trial.
122 S.Ct. at 1787. This observation is no less applicable to collateral attacks. So no bedrock rule of procedure has been broken. Findings by federal district judges are adequate to make rehable decisions about punishment. See
Edwards v. United States,
523 U.S. 511, 118 S.Ct. 1475, 140 L.Ed.2d 703 (1998).
Apprendi
therefore does not disturb sentences that became final before June 26, 2000, the date of its release.
AFFIRMED