PEDER K. ECKER, Bankruptcy Judge.
The matter before the Court is a Motion to Compel Discovery Under Federal Rules of Bankruptcy Procedure 9014 and 7037 and Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 37 [hereinafter “Motion to Compel Discovery”] filed by Assistant United States Attorney Craig Pey-ton Gaumer on behalf of the Farmers Home Administration [hereinafter “FmHA”] and responded to by Attorney J. Bruce Blake on behalf of Debtor.
In an earlier attempt to investigate why assets were omitted from Debtor’s bankruptcy schedules, FmHA sought to examine Attorney Blake’s Certified Legal Assistant [hereinafter “C.L.A.”] pursuant to Bankruptcy Rule 2004. FmHA sought the exam after Debtor stated at his own 2004 examination that all information regarding assets had been given to and discussed with the C.L.A. who helped prepare the petition and schedules. The Court determined Bankruptcy Rule 2004 could not be used to conduct that type of specific, targeted investigation, but, rather, discovery should be made utilizing the tools available under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
See In re French,
145 B.R. 991 (Bankr.D.S.D.1992). Subsequently, FmHA deposed the C.L.A., but she refused to answer several questions deemed protected by the attorney-client privilege. The issue at hand is whether the C.L.A. should be compelled to provide those answers. Following an evidentiary hearing, the Court took the matter under advisement. This letter decision constitutes Findings of Fact and
Conclusions of Law pursuant to Bankruptcy Rule 7052.
BACKGROUND
In June 1992, FmHA filed a motion to convert this Chapter 12 ease to Chapter 7 for fraudulent activity, including the unauthorized pre-petition sale of more than $50,000 worth of cattle pledged to FmHA as collateral.
The motion states Debtor deposited the proceeds into a checking account but never listed those deposits as assets on the bankruptcy petition and schedules filed February 12, 1991, specifically, Schedule B-2, which requires a disclosure of money deposited with banking institutions. The motion credits FmHA’s persistent questioning as paramount to disclosing the omitted funds and instigating Debtor’s subsequent amendment.
This persistence was in the form of Debtor’s own 2004 examination, which explored how data was gathered in order to complete the petition and schedules. During that June 23, 1992, exam, Debtor first “guessed” that, at the time of filing, he did not have any deposits or money in such institutions, but then immediately responded that the C.L.A., who conducted the “data gathering” interview, was, in fact, told deposits did exist, contrary to Schedule B-2’s report of “NONE.”
In a continued effort to determine the true nature of the omission, FmHA filed a motion to examine the C.L.A. pursuant to Bankruptcy Rule 2004. An evidentiary hearing was held, and FmHA argued that because Debtor spoke to third parties about the conversation he had with the C.L.A. relative to preparing the petition and schedules, any alleged attorney-client privilege had been waived. Debt- or argued that a Bankruptcy Rule 2004 exam was not the appropriate vehicle for such an
investigation. The Court issued its letter decision denying the motion, inasmuch as a Bankruptcy Rule 2004 examination is designed to discover issues of general interest concerning the overall administration of the bankruptcy case, not for completing discovery in preparation of pending litigation.
In re French,
145 B.R. at 992, 993.
With that lead, FmHA filed a Notice of Deposition Under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 30(a) and Federal Rule of Bankruptcy Procedure 9014 of Joyce P. Gall and, on the same date, September 28, 1992, issued a subpoena to depose the C.L.A., commanding her to produce and permit inspection and copying of “[a]ny and all documents in her possession or control used to prepare Norman Eugene (Jim) French’s Chapter 12 Bankruptcy Petition and Schedules.” On October 30, 1992, Debtor moved to quash the subpoena,
and FmHA filed a resistance thereto,
but before the motion was brought before the Court, the C.L.A.’s deposition had been completed.
At the November 23, 1992, deposition, Attorney Blake instructed the C.L.A. not to answer questions relating to that initial “data gathering” interview.
One week after the C.L.A.’s deposition, November 29, 1992, Debtor filed an “Affidavit and Claim of Client’s Privilege on Confidential Communication with Lawyer,” stating that, “during the course of the preparation of and administration of his case,” he made confidential communications to both Attorney Blake and the C.L.A. and that he was invoking the attorney-client privilege pursuant to S.D.C.L. § 19-13-3,
specifically instructing
the C.L.A. to refuse answers to questions regarding such confidential communications.
On January 27, 1993, FmHA filed the Motion to Compel Discovery and a brief in support of the motion. Debtor filed a response March 4, 1993. On March 25, 1993, Debtor was criminally indicted by a grand jury for numerous counts of bankruptcy fraud.
After several rescheduled hearings, an evidentiary hearing was held September 23, 1993, at which time, the Court took the matter under advisement.
DISCUSSION
In general, evidentiary rules promote ascertaining the truth, yet some of these rules exclude the truth by shielding the revelation of confidential communications made between certain “privileged” relations. One of the oldest forms of this common law privilege is the relationship between an attorney and client. Federal Rule of Evidence 501 is the protective device that recognizes the need for a client to confide with his attorney and strives to protect that relationship by encouraging “full and frank communication between attorneys and their clients and thereby promoting] broader public interests in the observance of law and administration of justice.”
In re Hunt,
153 B.R. 445, 450 (Bankr.N.D.Tex.1992),
citing Upjohn Co. v. United States,
449 U.S. 383, 389, 101 S.Ct. 677, 682, 66 L.Ed.2d 584 (1981).
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PEDER K. ECKER, Bankruptcy Judge.
The matter before the Court is a Motion to Compel Discovery Under Federal Rules of Bankruptcy Procedure 9014 and 7037 and Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 37 [hereinafter “Motion to Compel Discovery”] filed by Assistant United States Attorney Craig Pey-ton Gaumer on behalf of the Farmers Home Administration [hereinafter “FmHA”] and responded to by Attorney J. Bruce Blake on behalf of Debtor.
In an earlier attempt to investigate why assets were omitted from Debtor’s bankruptcy schedules, FmHA sought to examine Attorney Blake’s Certified Legal Assistant [hereinafter “C.L.A.”] pursuant to Bankruptcy Rule 2004. FmHA sought the exam after Debtor stated at his own 2004 examination that all information regarding assets had been given to and discussed with the C.L.A. who helped prepare the petition and schedules. The Court determined Bankruptcy Rule 2004 could not be used to conduct that type of specific, targeted investigation, but, rather, discovery should be made utilizing the tools available under the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.
See In re French,
145 B.R. 991 (Bankr.D.S.D.1992). Subsequently, FmHA deposed the C.L.A., but she refused to answer several questions deemed protected by the attorney-client privilege. The issue at hand is whether the C.L.A. should be compelled to provide those answers. Following an evidentiary hearing, the Court took the matter under advisement. This letter decision constitutes Findings of Fact and
Conclusions of Law pursuant to Bankruptcy Rule 7052.
BACKGROUND
In June 1992, FmHA filed a motion to convert this Chapter 12 ease to Chapter 7 for fraudulent activity, including the unauthorized pre-petition sale of more than $50,000 worth of cattle pledged to FmHA as collateral.
The motion states Debtor deposited the proceeds into a checking account but never listed those deposits as assets on the bankruptcy petition and schedules filed February 12, 1991, specifically, Schedule B-2, which requires a disclosure of money deposited with banking institutions. The motion credits FmHA’s persistent questioning as paramount to disclosing the omitted funds and instigating Debtor’s subsequent amendment.
This persistence was in the form of Debtor’s own 2004 examination, which explored how data was gathered in order to complete the petition and schedules. During that June 23, 1992, exam, Debtor first “guessed” that, at the time of filing, he did not have any deposits or money in such institutions, but then immediately responded that the C.L.A., who conducted the “data gathering” interview, was, in fact, told deposits did exist, contrary to Schedule B-2’s report of “NONE.”
In a continued effort to determine the true nature of the omission, FmHA filed a motion to examine the C.L.A. pursuant to Bankruptcy Rule 2004. An evidentiary hearing was held, and FmHA argued that because Debtor spoke to third parties about the conversation he had with the C.L.A. relative to preparing the petition and schedules, any alleged attorney-client privilege had been waived. Debt- or argued that a Bankruptcy Rule 2004 exam was not the appropriate vehicle for such an
investigation. The Court issued its letter decision denying the motion, inasmuch as a Bankruptcy Rule 2004 examination is designed to discover issues of general interest concerning the overall administration of the bankruptcy case, not for completing discovery in preparation of pending litigation.
In re French,
145 B.R. at 992, 993.
With that lead, FmHA filed a Notice of Deposition Under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 30(a) and Federal Rule of Bankruptcy Procedure 9014 of Joyce P. Gall and, on the same date, September 28, 1992, issued a subpoena to depose the C.L.A., commanding her to produce and permit inspection and copying of “[a]ny and all documents in her possession or control used to prepare Norman Eugene (Jim) French’s Chapter 12 Bankruptcy Petition and Schedules.” On October 30, 1992, Debtor moved to quash the subpoena,
and FmHA filed a resistance thereto,
but before the motion was brought before the Court, the C.L.A.’s deposition had been completed.
At the November 23, 1992, deposition, Attorney Blake instructed the C.L.A. not to answer questions relating to that initial “data gathering” interview.
One week after the C.L.A.’s deposition, November 29, 1992, Debtor filed an “Affidavit and Claim of Client’s Privilege on Confidential Communication with Lawyer,” stating that, “during the course of the preparation of and administration of his case,” he made confidential communications to both Attorney Blake and the C.L.A. and that he was invoking the attorney-client privilege pursuant to S.D.C.L. § 19-13-3,
specifically instructing
the C.L.A. to refuse answers to questions regarding such confidential communications.
On January 27, 1993, FmHA filed the Motion to Compel Discovery and a brief in support of the motion. Debtor filed a response March 4, 1993. On March 25, 1993, Debtor was criminally indicted by a grand jury for numerous counts of bankruptcy fraud.
After several rescheduled hearings, an evidentiary hearing was held September 23, 1993, at which time, the Court took the matter under advisement.
DISCUSSION
In general, evidentiary rules promote ascertaining the truth, yet some of these rules exclude the truth by shielding the revelation of confidential communications made between certain “privileged” relations. One of the oldest forms of this common law privilege is the relationship between an attorney and client. Federal Rule of Evidence 501 is the protective device that recognizes the need for a client to confide with his attorney and strives to protect that relationship by encouraging “full and frank communication between attorneys and their clients and thereby promoting] broader public interests in the observance of law and administration of justice.”
In re Hunt,
153 B.R. 445, 450 (Bankr.N.D.Tex.1992),
citing Upjohn Co. v. United States,
449 U.S. 383, 389, 101 S.Ct. 677, 682, 66 L.Ed.2d 584 (1981). The encouragement is the prerogative to refuse disclosing and the power to prevent others from disclosing confidential communications made:
for the purpose of facilitating the rendition of professional legal services to the client,
1) between himself or Ms representative and his lawyer or his lawyer’s representative;
2) or between his lawyer and the lawyer’s representative;
3) or by him or his lawyer to a lawyer representing another in a matter of common interest;
4) or between representatives of the client or between the client and a representative of the client;
5) or between lawyers representing the client.
U.S. v. White,
950 F.2d 426, 430 (7th Cir.1991); 8 J. Wigmore,
Evidence
§ 2292 (McNaughton rev. 1961);
see also
Proposed Federal Rule of Evidence 503(a)(b). Rule 501 is intended to safeguard privileged
communications,
not to conceal mere facts communicated; therefore, the fact that a client has discussed a matter with an attorney does not by and of itself insulate the client against disclosing the subject matter discussed, only the discussion itself is privileged. McCormick on Evidence § 93;
Sedco Intern., S.A. v. Cory,
683 F.2d 1201, 1205 (8th Cir.1982),
citing Upjohn Co. v. United States,
449 U.S. at 395-96, 101 S.Ct. at 685-86. Ensuring the sanctity of open, honest communication is the purpose of this specific evidentiary rule.
In federal criminal and civil cases where federal law provides the rule of decision, the privilege is governed by the courts of the United States.
Fed.R.Evid. 501. Federal Rule of Evidence 501 applies to all states of all actions and proceedings, including bankruptcy court actions such as a Bankruptcy Rule 2004 examination.
Fed.
R.Evid. 1101(c). Because privileges contravene the public’s “right to know,” privileges should be strictly construed and “accepted only to the very limited extent that permitting a refusal to testify or excluding relevant evidence has a public good transcending the normally predominant principle of utilizing all rational means for ascertaining truth.”
Trammel v. United States,
445 U.S. 40, 47-50, 100 S.Ct. 906, 910-12, 63 L.Ed.2d 186 (1980). Despite this warning, the law of privilege has been allowed to develop with some degree of flexibility, inasmuch as the Supreme Court’s Proposed Rules of Evidence and accompanying Advisory Committee Notes were not enacted by Congress, presumably, so that the law would develop “in the light of reason and experience” on a case-by-case basis.
Citibank, N.A. v. Andros,
666 F.2d 1192, 1195 n. 6 (8th Cir.1981). Nonetheless, the proposed rules are still regarded by the courts as an authoritative source of the principles of the common law.
Id.
Privileges are invoked and waived by the client who holds the privilege or by the attorney on behalf of the client.
Hollins v. Powell,
773 F.2d 191, 196 (8th Cir.1985); Hon. Barry Russell,
Bankruptcy Evidence Manual
§ 501.1, at 252 (1993 ed.). The individual who asserts the privilege must also satisfy the burden of establishing the
right
to invoke the privilege and to show facts which give rise to the privilege — facts, not just mere assertions — that the privilege exists.
Hollins v. Powell,
773 F.2d at 196;
Diversified Indus., Inc. v. Meredith,
572 F.2d 596, 609 (8th Cir.1978);
Bouschor v. United States,
316 F.2d 451, 456 (8th Cir.1963). If successfully invoked, a privilege may be waived either expressly or by implication.
Hollins v. Powell,
773 F.2d at 196;
Tasby v. United States,
504 F.2d 332, 336 (8th Cir. 1974);
United States v. Cote,
456 F.2d 142, 144 (8th Cir.1972). Waiver is express, for example, when the holder destroys the privilege by voluntarily disclosing or consenting to disclose any significant part of the matter or the communication. Proposed Federal Rule of Evidence 511; McCormick on Evidence §§ 87, 97, 106; 8 J. Wigmore,
Evidence
§§ 2242, 2327-29, 2374, 2389-90 (McNaughton rev. 1961). Waiver is implied, for example, when a client testifies concerning portions of the attorney-client communication.
Hollins v. Powell,
773 F.2d at 196. Waiver may also be implied when a client attacks his attorney’s conduct by calling into question the substance of the communication(s).
Tasby v. United States,
504 F.2d at 336.
In
Tasby,
a client appealed his conviction of making a false material declaration — a prosecution that arose from two prior proceedings: the first, during Tasby’s kidnapping trial, wherein he chose to testify on his own behalf (after making a record which established the fact his attorney advised him not to take the stand); and, the second, during Tasby’s subsequent claim of ineffective assistance of counsel, wherein he argued his testimony at trial had been coerced when his attorney indicated that, without his testimony, he would be sentenced anywhere from 25 years to life in prison.
Id.
at 334. On appeal, the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals held:
One of the circumstances which may support a conclusion of a waiver is an attack by the client upon his attorney’s conduct which calls into question the substance of their communications. A client has a privilege to keep his conversations with his attorney confidential, but that privilege is waived when a client attacks his attorney’s competence in giving legal advice, puts in issue that advice and ascribes a course of action to his attorney that raises the specter of ineffectiveness or incompetence. Here, the confidentiality of the attorney-client relationship was breached by Tasby. Surely a client is not free to make various
allegations of misconduct and incompetence while the attorney’s lips are sealed by invocation of the attorney-client privilege. Such an incongruous result would be inconsistent with the object and purpose of the attorney-client privilege and a patent perversion of the rule. When a client calls into public question the competence of his attorney, the privilege is waived.
Id.
at 336 (citations omitted). This case illustrates the careful balance Rule 501 must strike with respect to the truth and how spontaneously an appropriate waiver will tip the balance in favor of revealing previously guarded truth. It is an equilibrium unaffected by the distinctively separate ethical rule of confidentiality that may also exist, which means that:
[A] lawyer may reveal otherwise privileged communications from his clients in order to ... defend himself against charges of improper conduct, without violating the ethical rules of confidentiality or the attorney-client privilege ... The privilege for communications between client and attorney ceases when the purpose of the privilege is abused, when the lawyer becomes either the accomplice or the unwitting tool in a continuing or planned wrongful act.
United States v. Ballard,
779 F.2d 287, 292 (5th Cir.1986);
Tasby v. United States,
504 F.2d at 336.
Sometimes, the issue of waiver is raised only to determine no privilege ever really existed — and whether a privilege exists is a matter for the court to decide. Fed.R.Evid. 104(a). In
U.S. v. White,
debtors Richard and Judith White were convicted of bankruptcy fraud following a one-count indictment charging that they failed to disclose various assets in their bankruptcy petition.
U.S. v. White,
879 F.2d 1509, 1510-11 (7th Cir.1989);
see also U.S. v. White,
970 F.2d 328, 332-33 (7th Cir.1992).
One of the key issues was whether the Whites had, in fact, provided information about the undisclosed assets to their attorney (in which case, he might be complicit in the fraud) or whether there was some legal reason for omitting the assets from the schedules.
U.S. v. White,
950 F.2d at 429. The Whites’ attorney stated his paralegal probably collected the information contained in the bankruptcy schedules and that he probably reviewed the schedules after they were completed.
Id.
Following general discussions regarding standard procedures for handling bankruptcy cases, and after acknowledging no waiver had been obtained regarding confidential information, and after contemplating what was and was not considered confidential, the attorney returned to his former law firm and reviewed and gave copies of documents from the Whites’ file to the government — these included drafts of the bankruptcy petition and interview notes used to prepare the drafts.
Id.
at 431. The district court found that the information in the documents was not privileged.
Id.
at 430. The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals relied on its previous decision,
United States v. Lawless,
709 F.2d 485 (7th Cir.1983),
and held:
When information is disclosed for the purpose of assembly into a bankruptcy petition and supporting schedules, there is no intent for the information to be held in confidence because the information is to be disclosed on documents publicly filed with the bankruptcy court.... “information imparted to counsel without any expectation of confidentiality is not privileged.”
U.S. v. White,
950 F.2d at 430,
citing In re Feldberg,
862 F.2d 622, 628 (7th Cir.1988).
DECISION
In this case, FmHA seeks to ascertain the truth about a potential concealment of assets at the time this bankruptcy petition was filed. The wellspring for this sought-after truth is the initial interview between
Debtor and the C.L.A. which was conducted in order to obtain information necessary to compile the bankruptcy petition and schedules, in particular, Schedule B-2. The C.L.A., as a direct extension and representative of Debtor’s attorney, constitutes a viable form of the attorney-client relationship, so that, in general, Debtor’s communications ■with the C.L.A. would be subject to protection.
If
a privilege exists, the source of protection would be Federal Rule of Evidence 501, and Debtor would bear the burden of proving the right to invoke the privilege and the burden of showing specific facts giving rise to the privilege.
Debtor did, indeed, file an affidavit claiming the privilege, but the timing was off, and, even then, it was in the form of a “blanket” assertion rather than articulating specific facts giving rise to a privilege. The affidavit was filed in November 1992, some five months after a substantial portion of the communication had been disclosed at Debt- or’s own Bankruptcy Rule 2004 examination, a bankruptcy proceeding subject to Rule 501. Debtor or Attorney Blake could have and should have invoked the privilege at that time. This was not done. Instead, Debtor voluntarily disclosed that the C.L.A. was provided information regarding the existence of money in financial institutions at the time of the filing, yet Schedule B-2 failed to list the $41,612 cash on hand as an asset. This disclosure not only destroyed all allegations of privilege, but it attacked Attorney Blake’s ability to properly compile ’the bankruptcy petition and schedules. And like the situation in
Tasby,
Attorney Blake is entitled to defend the charge of incompetence without running into any separate ethical duty concerning confidentiality.
But more to the point is whether the Court even recognizes that a privilege exists in this case. It does not. It is rare that this Court would condone disclosing any conversations between a client and his attorney, but, in bankruptcy, debtors are obligated to disclose all assets and liabilities as part of an honest financial reorganization. The initial interview that took place in this case was simply a way of identifying financial facts— debts and assets — similar to a plaintiff reciting facts to constitute a publicly filed complaint against a particular defendant. In bankruptcy, a debtor’s assets and liabilities are the financial facts that constitute the publicly filed petition for relief. That kind of disclosure is not the same as a client who seeks and obtains professional bankruptcy counseling like how to maximize assets through pre-petition planning or what strategies might be used to restructure existing debt. The
White
decision is key in this case. There is no expectation that information disclosed for the purpose of assembling a bankruptcy petition and supporting schedules will be held confidential.
Federal Rule of Evidence 501 safeguards confidential communications between privileged relations. The result in this case does not alter or chill that goal. Following a strict construction of the rule, there can be no “public good transcended” by designating this particular information privileged. Quite the opposite. Bankruptcy offers relief for the honest debtor, and, in that regard, there is simply no need to ton to the law of privilege as a means of ensuring “full and frank” disclosure between a debtor and his attorney, at least when it comes to preparing bankruptcy petitions and schedules. Granting the Motion to Compel Discovery is a rational way of ascertaining the truth and promotes the broader public interest in observing the law. The Court shall enter an appropriate order.