Hadnagy v. Moss

• Court: District Court, D. Nevada
• Decided: December 12, 2023
• Docket: 2:23-cv-01345
• Status: Unknown

Opinion

1 2 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT DISTRICT OF NEVADA 3 4 Christopher J. Hadnagy, and Social-Engineer, Case No. 2:23-cv-01345-CDS-BNW LLC,

5 Plaintiffs 6 v. Order Granting Motion to Transfer and Closing Case 7 Jeff Moss, and Def Con Communications, Inc., [ECF No. 15] 8 Defendants 9 10 This is a defamation suit. Defendants Jeff Moss and Def Con Communications, Inc. move 11 to transfer this suit to the Western District of Washington. ECF No. 15. Plaintiffs Christopher J. 12 Hadnagy and Social-Engineer, LLC oppose the motion. ECF No. 17. For the following reasons, I 13 grant defendants’ motion and transfer this case to the Western District of Washington.1 14 I. Background 15 Defendants Moss and Def Con hold an annual hacker conference in Las Vegas, Nevada. 16 Compl., ECF No. 1-1 at ¶¶ 32–36. This conference is one of the world’s largest hacker 17 conventions and it is highly regarded within the industry. Id. at ¶ 37. The conference hosts 18 break-out sessions, known as “villages,” for smaller groups to attend speeches on particular 19 topics, participate in cyber-security challenges, competitions, demonstrations or games. 20 Id. at ¶¶ 40–41. Plaintiffs Hadnagy and Social-Engineer participated in and acted as the host of a 21 village from 2010 through 2021. Id. at ¶¶ 44–46. Plaintiffs opted to hold their village virtually in 22 2020 and 2021, and in January 2022, informed defendants that they would not participate in the 23 2022 conference. Id. at ¶¶ 51, 56. The next month, defendants informed Hadnagy that neither he 24 nor Social Engineer could attend, contribute to, or participate in future conferences. Id. at ¶ 57. 25

26 1 Because I grant the motion to transfer, I do not address defendants’ pending motion to dismiss. ECF No. 13. 1 Later that month, Moss authored and published the following “Transparency Report” on 2 Def Con’s website: “[w]e received multiple [Code of Conduct] violation reports about a DEF 3 CON Village leader, Chris Hadnagy of the SE Village. After conversations with the reporting 4 parties and Chris, we are confident the severity of the transgressions merits a ban from DEF 5 CON.” Id. at ¶ 58. Because Def Con’s website is publicly accessible, a firestorm of social media 6 commentary about Hadnagy ensued speculating as to what he did to violate the code of conduct. 7 Id. at ¶ 66. An article titled “DEF CON bans social engineering expert Chris Hadnagy” was 8 published by a renowned and well-known news source in the tech community. Id. at ¶¶ 69–72. 9 Plaintiffs allege that the Transparency Report damaged Hadnagy’s reputation and caused Social 10 Engineering to lose business. Id. at ¶¶ 73–79, 82, 85–86. 11 Plaintiffs sued defendants in the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, and on January 5, 2023, 12 District Judge Wendy Beetlestone dismissed the case for lack of personal jurisdiction. See 13 Hadnagy v. Moss, No. CV 22-3060, 2023 WL 114689 (E.D. Pa. Jan. 5, 2023). On January 13, 2023, 14 defendant Moss published an update to Def Con’s website, stating: “[d]uring our investigation 15 we spoke directly with Mr. Hadnagy about claims of his violations of our Code of Conduct. He 16 confirmed his behavior, and agreed to stop. Unfortunately, the behavior did not stop.” Compl., 17 ECF No. 1-1 at ¶ 80. And “[o]ur investigation also revealed that DEF CON is not the only 18 security conference to receive complaints about Mr. Hadnagy’s behavior. For example, Black 19 Hat received complaints, conducted their own investigation and removed Mr. Hadnagy from 20 their Review Board.” Id. 21 On August 9, 2023, plaintiffs filed a complaint in the Eighth Judicial District Court, 22 Clark County, Nevada asserting seven causes of action. See Christopher J. Hadnagy et al. v. Jeff Moss et 23 al., Case No. A-23-875618-C.2 Defendants removed the action to this court on August 29, 2023. 24 ECF No. 1. Defendants subsequently filed the instant motion to transfer. ECF No. 15. 25 2 The complaint asserts seven causes of action: (1) Defamation, (2) Business Disparagement, (3) 26 Intentional Interference with Contractual Relations, (4) Intentional Interference with Prospective Economic Advantage, (5) Unjust Enrichment, and (6) Quantum Meruit, (7) Injunctive Relief. 1 II. Legal Standard 2 District courts have the discretion to “adjudicate motions for transfer according to an 3 individualized, case-by-case consideration of convenience and fairness.” Jones v. GNC Franchising, 4 Inc., 211 F.3d 495, 498 (9th Cir. 2000) (citation omitted). Motions to transfer are governed by 28 5 U.S.C. § 1404(a), which states: “[f]or the convenience of parties and witnesses, in the interest of 6 justice, a district court may transfer any civil action to any other district or division where it 7 might have been brought.” Under a § 1404(a) motion to transfer, the plaintiff’s choice of forum is 8 “entitled to ‘paramount consideration’ and the moving party must show that a balancing of 9 interests weighs heavily in favor of transfer.” Galli v. Travelhost, Inc., 603 F. Supp. 1260, 1262 (D. 10 Nev. 1985). Hence, “§ 1404(a) provides for transfer to a more convenient forum, not to a forum 11 likely to prove equally convenient or inconvenient.” Van Dusen v. Barrack, 376 U.S. 612, 645–46 12 (1964). The movant must therefore make a strong showing that transfer is appropriate. See Decker 13 Coal Co. v. Commonwealth Edison Co., 805 F.2nd 834, 843 (9th Cir. 1986); Galli, 603 F. Supp. at 1262. 14 In determining whether to grant a motion to transfer, the court conducts a two-part 15 analysis. Malcolm v. Acrylic Tank Mfg., Inc., 2019 WL 1923633, at *2 (D. Nev. Apr. 30, 2019) (citing 16 28 U.S.C. § 1404(a)). The court must first determine if the action could have been brought in the 17 court to which the transfer is sought. Id. Then, the court must determine if the transfer is in the 18 convenience of the parties and witnesses, and in the interest of justice. Id. 19 III. Discussion 20 For the reasons discussed below, I find that defendants satisfied their burden of proving 21 that this action could have been brought in the Western District of Washington and that 22 transfer is appropriate for the convenience of the parties and witnesses, and in the interest of 23 justice. 24 A. This action could have been brought in the Western District of Washington. 25 28 U.S.C. § 1404(a) permits the “transfer [of] any civil action to any other district or 26 division where it might have been brought[.]” An action can be commenced in a court that has 1 subject matter jurisdiction, personal jurisdiction, and proper venue. Hoffman v. Blaski, 363 U.S. 2 335, 343–44 (1960). The parties do not dispute that this case could have been brought in the 3 Western District of Washington. ECF No. 15 at 10; ECF No. 17 at 20. I agree. 4 The Western District of Washington has subject matter jurisdiction over this action 5 because the parties are citizens from different states and the amount in controversy exceeds 6 $75,000. Compl., ECF No. 1-1 at ¶¶ 14–17, p. 29. The Western District of Washington has 7 personal jurisdiction over this action because both defendants are citizens of Washington; Moss 8 is domiciled in Washington, and Def Con is incorporated and has its principal place of business 9 in Washington. Id. at ¶¶ 16–17. Defendants are thus at home in Washington and are subject to 10 general personal jurisdiction there. See Daimler AG v. Bauman, 571 U.S. 117, 137 (2014). And the 11 Western District of Washington is a proper venue because both defendants reside in counties 12 that fall within the court’s jurisdiction. Compl., ECF No. 1-1 at ¶¶ 16–17; ECF No. 15 at 10–11. 13 Thus, plaintiffs could have originally filed this action in the Western District of Washington. 14 B. Interest of justice 15 To determine whether transfer supports the interest of justice, courts must weigh 16 multiple factors, including: (1) the location where the relevant agreements were negotiated and 17 executed, (2) the plaintiffs’ choice of forum, (3) the parties’ contacts with the forum, (4) the 18 contacts relating to the plaintiffs’ cause of action in the chosen forum, (5) the state most familiar 19 with the governing law, (6) the differences in the costs of litigation in the two forums, (7) the 20 availability of compulsory process to compel attendance of unwilling non-party witnesses, and 21 (8) the ease of access to sources of proof. Jones, 211 F.3d at 498–99. 22 i. Factor one: location of the agreement’s negotiation and execution. 23 Because this dispute does not implicate any agreements, the first factor is neutral. Ipatt 24 Grp., Inc., v. Scotts Miracle-Gro Co., 2010 WL 11579689, at *3 (D. Nev. Sept. 9, 2010). 25 26 1 ii. Factor two: plaintiffs’ choice of forum. 2 Although courts in this circuit typically give the plaintiff’s choice of forum deference, a 3 plaintiff’s choice of forum is given less deference when the district court is not the plaintiff’s 4 home forum. Ascend GEO, LLC v. OYO Geospace Corp., 2009 WL 10692475, at *3 (D. Nev. Aug. 28, 5 2009) (“[G]iven that Plaintiff is a resident of Colorado rather than Nevada, [p]laintiff’s choice of 6 forum will be given less deference.”). Here, Nevada is neither Hadnagy nor Social Engineer’s 7 home forum, and “[w]here a plaintiff does not reside in the forum, the Court may afford his 8 choice considerably less weight.” See Young v. Wells Fargo & Co., 2008 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 103955, at 9 *10 (N.D. Cal. Dec. 17, 2008). Additionally, a plaintiff’s choice of forum is given less weight when 10 the case has been removed from the state court, as the case was here. See Jamhour v. Scottsdale Ins. 11 Co., 211 F. Supp. 2d 941, 947 (S.D. Ohio 2002) (“A plaintiff’s choice of forum, however, is entitled 12 to somewhat less weight when the case is removed to federal court because the plaintiff is no 13 longer in his or her chosen forum, which was state court.”). Because Nevada is neither Hadnagy 14 nor Social Engineer’s home forum, and because this action was removed, plaintiffs’ choice of 15 forum is given less deference here and is neutral at best. 16 iii. Factor three: parties’ contacts with the forum. 17 Moss does not reside or own property in Nevada and maintains a permanent residence in 18 Washington. Decl. Jeff Moss, Defs.’ Ex. A, ECF No. 15-1 at ¶¶ 2–3. Similarly, Def Con does not 19 maintain offices in Nevada and its principal place of business is Washington. Id. at ¶¶ 5–8.3 Def 20 Con’s website is globally accessible and does not use any form of targeted communication or 21 advertisement to Nevada residents. Id. at ¶¶ 10–13.4 Def Con has nine permanent employees, 22 23

24 3 For avoidance of confusion, the court notes that it is citing putative paragraph numbers five through eight but because the declaration restarts its paragraph numbering after paragraph four, the cited 25 paragraphs are technically numbers one through four in the document. 4 For avoidance of confusion, the court notes that it is citing putative paragraph numbers 10 through 13 26 but because the declaration restarts its paragraph numbering after paragraph four, the cited paragraphs are technically numbers six through nine in the document. 1 seven of whom live in Washington, and none live in Nevada. Id. at ¶ 7.5 Def Con has 2 approximately 100 volunteers for the annual conference in Las Vegas. Moss Suppl. Decl., Defs.’ 3 Ex. A, ECF No. 18-1 at ¶ 8. These volunteers are not Def Con employees and receive no payment 4 for volunteering at the event. Id. at 10. ECF No. 17 at 17; List of Some Active Goons, Pls.’ Ex. 10 to 5 Riklis Decl., ECF No. 17-11. Moss travels to Nevada for the conference, and travels to the state 6 one weekend a few months prior to the conference to coordinate event logistics. ECF No. 18 at 7 12; Moss Suppl. Decl., Defs.’ Ex. A, ECF No. 18-1 at ¶ 4. Although Hadnagy claims to have 8 regularly provided cybersecurity services to business entities in the state, he did not provide the 9 court with current connections to Nevada, other than leasing a storage unit. See ECF No. 17 at 12. 10 Social Engineering appears to have no current connections to Nevada beyond the storage unit 11 and has no employees in the state. ECF No. 17 at 15. Thus, this factor weighs in favors transfer. 12 See Ascend GEO, LLC, 2009 WL 10692475, at *3 (“As stated previously, neither [p]laintiff nor 13 [d]efendant has substantial contacts with the District of Nevada. In contrast, [d]efendant 14 resides in the transfer venue. This factor clearly leans in favor of transfer.”). 15 iv. Factor four: contacts relating to the plaintiffs’ cause of action in the forum. 16 Plaintiffs’ claims are based on alleged “false and defamatory statements” published by 17 Moss on Def Con’s website. See Compl., ECF 1-1. Although plaintiffs do not allege that these 18 statements were made in Nevada, they do claim that they were directed at Nevada. ECF No. 17 19 at 12–13. I agree that there is some connection with the forum; defendants’ statement banned 20 plaintiffs from Def Con, including the Nevada conference. Compl., ECF 1-1 at ¶ 58. And plaintiffs 21 also claim that the statements interfered with their business relations, including another 22 cybersecurity convention held in Nevada. Id. at ¶¶ 119, 124, 135–139. But without more directly 23 relating to the alleged defamatory statements or business interference claims, this level of 24 contact only weighs slightly against transfer. 25 5 For avoidance of confusion, the court notes that it is citing putative paragraph number seven but 26 because the declaration restarts its paragraph numbering after paragraph four, the cited paragraph is technically number three in the document. 1 v. Factor five: familiarity with governing law. 2 “To determine which state is most familiar with the law governing this case, the Court 3 must first determine what state’s law governs.” Kawamura v. Boyd Gaming Corp., 2012 U.S. Dist. 4 LEXIS 172512, at *32 (D. Haw. Dec. 5, 2012). A federal court sitting in diversity applies the law of 5 the forum state to determine which state’s substantive law applies. Patton v. Cox, 276 F.3d 493, 6 495 (9th Cir. 2002). Thus, because the case was filed in the Eighth Judicial District Court, Clark 7 County, Nevada, the court looks to Nevada’s conflict laws to determine which state’s law to 8 apply. Nevada uses the Restatement (Second) of Conflict of Law’s most significant relationship 9 test in tort actions, unless a more specific section of the Restatement applies to a particular 10 court. Gen. Motors Corp. v. Eighth Jud. Dist. Ct. of State of Nev. ex rel. Cnty of Clark, 122 Nev. 466, 134 P.3d 11 111, 116 (2006). Washington courts have also adopted the Second Restatement’s most significant 12 relationship test for tort claims. See Rice v. Dow Chem. Co., 875 P.2d 1213, 1217 (1994). Under the 13 most significant relationship test, the court applies the law of the state “which, with respect to 14 that issue, has the most significant relationship to the occurrence and the parties.” Restatement 15 § 145(1). 16 While federal courts may “routinely apply the law of a [s]tate other than the [s]tate in 17 which they sit” (Atl. Marine Const. Co., Inc. v. U.S. Dist. Ct. for W. Dist. of Texas, 571 U.S. 49, 67 (2013), 18 this factor weighs slightly against transfer because it is plausible that this court has the most 19 significant relationship to the occurrence and the parties. Although it has not been alleged that 20 the alleged defamatory statements were made in Nevada, as discussed in the background section 21 above, the parties’ interactions are rooted in Def Con’s conference held in Las Vegas, Nevada. 22 Thus, of the two states, and based on the allegations in the complaint, Nevada has the most 23 significant relationship. This factor only weighs slightly against transfer because “[t]he forums’s 24 familiarity with the governing law is typically to be accorded little weight on a motion 25 to transfer venue because federal courts are deemed capable of applying the substantive law of 26 1 other states.” Liberty Mut. Ins. Co. v. Fairbanks Co., 17 F. Supp. 3d 385, 398 (S.D.N.Y. 2014) (internal 2 citations and quotations omitted). 3 vi. Factor six: differences in costs of litigation in the two forums.6 4 Plaintiffs first argue that this action should remain in Nevada because they “would 5 encounter considerably more economic hardship if forced to litigate these claims in Washington 6 as opposed to Nevada” as neither plaintiff has business operations or dealings in Washington 7 and have not visited the state “more than one time in the past 10 years.” ECF No. 17 at 26. 8 Plaintiffs further allege that because they will have to retain local counsel in Washington, they 9 would encounter additional financial hardship and transfer would “merely shift the 10 inconvenience from one party to another.” Id. at 26–27. However, since neither plaintiff is a 11 resident of Nevada or Washington, litigation expenses are not likely to be significantly different 12 in either state; plaintiffs must still retain local counsel and incur travel costs. See Cavern City Tours 13 Ltd v. Hard Rock Café Int’l (USA), Inc., 2012 WL 12898616, at *2 (D. Nev. Sept. 12, 2012) (finding that 14 this factor weighs in favor of transferring when a nonresident plaintiff will incur similar consist 15 in either venue). In contrast, defendants will incur significantly more litigation expenses if the 16 case remains in Nevada; but if this action is transferred to Washington, defendants will incur 17 significantly less litigation expenses as they would no longer have to pay local counsel or travel 18 costs. Moss Suppl. Decl., Defs.’ Ex. A, ECF No. 18-1 at ¶ 23. 19 While plaintiffs claim that defendants have a superior financial position, they do not 20 provide evidence. ECF No. 17 at 28. Nevertheless, as plaintiffs’ note, the parties’ relative financial 21 ability is not entitled to great weight. Id. (quoting Brackett v. Hilton Hotels Corp., 619 F. Supp. 2d 22 810, 820 (N.D. Cal. 2008)). 23 Thus, because transferring does not impose an additional burden on plaintiffs, and aids 24 defendants, the cost of litigation weighs in favor of transfer. See Ricoh Co. v. Honeywell, Inc., 817 F. 25 6 Plaintiffs discuss this factor in regard to the non-party witnesses that defendants previously disclosed 26 in the dismissed Pennsylvania action. ECF No. 17 at 28. However, defendants have not indicated that they intend to call those witnesses in this action, as discussed below in section C, ii. 1 Supp. 473 (D.N.J. 1993) (“Where venue transfer would aid the movant and not disadvantage the 2 opponent, transfer is appropriate.”) 3 vii. Factor seven: availability of compulsory process to compel attendance of unwilling non- 4 party witnesses. 5 Neither party has identified any potential unwilling witnesses that may need to be 6 compelled to testify in either forum.7 Thus, this factor is neutral. See Holck v. Bank of New York 7 Mellon Corp., 769 F. Supp. 2d 1240, 1256 (D. Haw. 2011) (“[T]his factor is neutral because neither 8 [p]laintiff nor [d]efendants have identified any unwilling nonparty witnesses.”); Lopatin v. LTF 9 Club Operations Co. Inc., 2016 WL 407319, *3 (D. Ariz. Feb. 3, 2016) (same). 10 viii. Factor eight: the ease of access to sources of proof. 11 “In assessing the ease of access to proof, courts look at the location of records and 12 documents.” Defazio v. Hollister Emple. Share Ownership Tr., 406 F. Supp. 2d 1085, 1091 (E.D. Cal. 13 2005) (citation omitted). “The moving party must show the location and importance of the 14 records.” Id. (internal quotation and citation omitted). “[I]n the age of electronically stored 15 information, the ease of access to evidence is neutral [when] much of the evidence...will be 16 electronic documents, which are relatively easy to obtain in any district.” Id. In a defamation 17 case, relevant documentary evidence includes evidence that was used in the preparation of the 18 alleged defamatory statements and pertinent documents maintained by non-parties. Ramsey v. 19 Fox News Network, LLC, 323 F. Supp. 2d 1352, 1357 (N.D. Ga. 2004). 20 Plaintiffs argue that “it is highly likely that witnesses and documents will be located in 21 Nevada, or will return to Nevada for the [conference]” and the parties will have to seek evidence 22 regarding the veracity of the defamatory statements which address Hadnagy’s behavior in Las 23 Vegas, Nevada. ECF No. 17 at 30. Plaintiffs claim that in order to obtain such evidence, 24 discovery will need to be conducted in Nevada because the behavior occurred in Nevada, and 25

26 7 Neither party has named potential witnesses at this time. However, if a future named non-party witness is unwilling to testify at trial in Nevada or Washington, they will still be able to testify by deposition. See Stack v. Morris, 2015 WL 4647880, at *10 (D. Nev. Aug. 5, 2015). 1 they will seek documentation from hotels that hosted the event or its attendees. ECF No. 17 at 2 30. Defendants counter that any documentation related to the conference and Hadnagy’s 3 participation, including Def Con’s communications with third parties regarding Hadnagy’s 4 conduct, are located in Washington. ECF No. 16 at 6. Plaintiffs argue that initial disclosures 5 from the prior dismissed Pennsylvania action revealed that “some” of these documents are “on 6 the cloud” and could are easily movable. ECF No. 17 at 31. While the court agrees that virtual 7 documents may be easily obtained in both districts electronically, it is not clear at this time if all 8 relevant documents are electronic, and Moss stated in his declaration that Def Con’s physical 9 documents are in Washington. Moss Decl., Defs.’ Ex. A, ECF No. 15-1 at ¶ 8.8 However, “[w]ith 10 technological advances in document storage and retrieval, transporting documents generally 11 does not create a burden.” Van Slyke v. Cap. One Bank, 503 F. Supp. 2d 1353, 1362 (N.D. Cal. 2007). 12 Defendants also argue that evidence relating to plaintiffs’ business interference claims 13 will be located at Social Engineer’s principal place of business in Florida or at other entities’ 14 principal place of business. ECF No. 18 at 10. Plaintiffs did not address the ease access to sources 15 of proof regarding their business interference claims. 16 Because the ease of access to sources of proof is neutral when much of the evidence will 17 be electronic documents, this factor is neutral. See Defazio, 406 F. Supp. 2d at 1091. 18 C. Convenience of the parties and witnesses favors transfer. 19 i. Convenience of the parties. 20 Defendants claim that venue in Nevada inconveniences the parties, witnesses, and access 21 of proof because no party in this action is located in Nevada and most, if not all, witnesses are 22 located outside of the state. ECF No. 15 at 6–7. Plaintiffs claim that they are less physically and 23 financially equipped to handle a transfer of venue than defendants and that any transfer will 24 shift the burden to them. ECF No. 17 at 25. However, all parties are out-of-state litigants in 25 8 For avoidance of confusion, the court notes that it is citing putative paragraph number eight but 26 because the declaration restarts its paragraph numbering after paragraph four, the cited paragraph is technically number four in the document. 1 Nevada and all are subject to the same inconvenience of litigating outside of their home forum if 2 the action resumes in this district. Plaintiffs did not present any evidence that travel to 3 Washington would be any more time consuming or expensive than travel to Nevada—plaintiffs 4 “generally reside in Pennsylvania and Florida” and would have to travel across the country to 5 either Nevada or Washington. ECF No. 17 at 25. But if a transfer of venue is granted, defendants’ 6 travel time and expense would be greatly reduced as they are residents of Washington. 7 Additionally, considering that neither party has substantial presence in the District of Nevada, 8 other than a four-day conference for defendants and a storage facility for plaintiffs, the 9 convenience falls in favor of transfer to a district where one of the parties reside. See Am. Heavy 10 Moving & Rigging, Inc. v. Sheedy Drayage Co., 2009 WL 10693611, at *2 (D. Nev. May 4, 2009) 11 (“considering that neither party has a substantial presence in the District of Nevada, the 12 convenience again falls in favor of transfer to a district where one of the parties resides.”). Thus, 13 the court is inclined to grant the motion to transfer for the convenience of the parties. 14 ii. Convenience of the witnesses. 15 “The convenience of witnesses is often the most important factor in determining 16 whether a transfer under section 1404 is appropriate.” Allstar Mktg. Grp., LLC v. Your Store Online, 17 LLC, 666 F. Supp. 2d 1109, 1132 (C.D. Cal. 2009). To determine whether the convenience of 18 the witnesses favors transfer, the court must consider both the location and number of 19 witnesses each side has and the relative importance of those witnesses. Gates Learjet Corp. v. Jensen, 20 743 F.2d 1325, 1335–36 (9th Cir. 1984). “Courts have repeatedly held that the defendant must 21 name the witnesses it wishes to call, describe the anticipated areas of their testimony, explain 22 their relevance, and provide reasons why the present forum would present hardship to show 23 that litigation in the forum state is inconvenient under this factor.” Proximo Spirits, Inc. v, Green 24 Lake Brewing Co., LLC, 2022 WL 17224545, at *10 (C.D. Cal. Sept. 9, 2022) (collecting cases). 25 26 1 Defendants did not name any witnesses they wish to call or describe anticipated 2 testimony. Rather, defendants merely state: “[w]hile it is still early in the case to identify 3 witnesses, Defendants anticipate that most witnesses will be located in Washington—where 4 Defendants reside—or elsewhere in the country other than Nevada.” ECF No. 15 at 13. While 5 plaintiffs state that “it is highly likely” that witnesses will be located in Nevada, they similarly 6 did not name any witnesses they wish to call or describe anticipated testimony. See ECF No. 17 7 at 30. Plaintiffs did however discuss the possibility and implication of defendants calling the 8 same witnesses as they previously disclosed in the dismissed Pennsylvania action (ECF No. 17 at 9 14–15) and defendants responded in their reply (ECF No. 18 at 9). But defendants did not state 10 that they anticipate calling these witnesses, and speculation is insufficient at this stage. See Gates 11 Learjet Corp., 743 F.2d at 1335–36. 12 While there may be potential witnesses in Nevada, neither party identifies with any 13 specificity a critical or necessary witness whose availability could hinge on the choice of venue. 14 Accordingly, “[t]hese components appear to offset, and the court finds this factor is neutral.” 15 Hawkins v. Gerber Prod. Co., 924 F. Supp. 2d 1208, 1215–16 (S.D. Cal. 2013). Thus, based on the 16 information before the court, convenience of the parties and witnesses favors transfer. 17 In sum, two of the Jones factors weigh in favor of transfer, three remain neutral, and only 18 two weigh slightly against transfer. Although the Jones factors do not heavily favor transfer, 19 because this action could have been brought in Western District of Washington, and the 20 convenience of the witnesses and the parties favors transfer, the court finds that in balancing all 21 the factors, defendants met their burden to show transfer to the Western District of 22 Washington is appropriate. 23 IV. Conclusion 24 IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that the defendants’ motion to transfer [ECF No. 15] is 25 GRANTED. 26 1 IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Clerk of Court is kindly instructed to TRANSFER this case to the United States District Court for the Western District of Washington and close the case in this district. 4 DATED: December 12, 2023 /, / Li — 6 ons ey Silva . nit éd States District Judge 7 8 9 10 ll 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26