BONE, Circuit Judge.
I.
On September 15, 1953, a complaint captioned “The People of the State of California, plaintiff, vs. William Roth, defendant,” was lodged in the Municipal Court, San Diego Judicial District, County of San Diego, State of California. It charged the said Roth with the commission of a felony, to wit, uttering and passing a check bearing a fictitious name with intent to cheat and defraud certain California persons named in the complaint. Complainant prayed that a warrant issue for Roth’s arrest.
Sometime in January, 1955, Roth (appellee herein) was apprehended and delivered to the custody of the San Diego Police Department on a warrant issued by the San Diego authorities. A preliminary hearing was set for and held on February 10, 1955 in the Municipal Court of San Diego Judicial District. The preliminary examination was held in the Municipal Court which determined that there was reasonable cause to believe that Roth (whose true name appears to be Schmittroth) had committed an offense against the State of California, and ordered him held in custody of appellant sheriff pending further proceedings. Appellee raised the question of State court jurisdiction over him (for reasons noted below) but his objection was overruled by the Municipal Court.
On February 8,1955, appellee Schmittroth filed a petition for a writ of habeas corpus in the United States District Court, San Diego, this to secure freedom from detention by appellant.
The records before us indicate that in January, 1955, appellee had entered a plea of guilty in a criminal case then pending in the above named United States District Court the charge against him being the offense of transporting a false security in interstate commerce, a federal crime he had committed in Florida. Upon his plea, and on January 17, 1955, Judge Carter, the District Judge then sitting, sentenced Schmittroth to ten years confinement. Execution of this sentence appears to have been suspended and appellee was placed on five years probation by Judge Carter. 18 U.S.C.A. § 3651.
On February 9, 1955, the District Judge of the United States Court or[600]*600dered appellant to show cause on February 17, 1955 why a writ of habeas corpus should not issue on appellee’s petition and appellee be discharged from confinement by appellant. On February 11, 1955, appellant filed an answer to Schmittroth’s petition.
On February 17, 1955, a hearing was held in the lower court on appellee’s petition for the writ and appellant’s answer thereto. On that day the lower court issued and filed an “order for discharge” which directed that Schmittroth be “forthwith discharged from further imprisonment and detention by reason of the said commitment issued by the Municipal Court, San Diego Judicial District, County of San Diego, State of California.” The lower court did not make findings of fact and conclusions of law to accompany this order. Under this order appellee Schmittroth was discharged from imprisonment and detention by appellant.
On February 21, 1955, appellant filed a petition for a rehearing. The lower court denied this petition by order dated February 24, 1955.
The record of the hearing on February 17, 1955 (the only hearing held) is illuminating in that it serves to indicate the attitude of the court and both parties, as to the -finality which might possibly attach to the court’s order of discharge dated and filed on that day. Colloquy between Judge Hall and counsel in open court shows that the parties were advised by the Judge that appellee was entitled to the writ he sought; that it was the opinion of the court that counsel for appellee “had better have findings of fact here in this matter which can follow from this order,” i. e., the order of discharge entered that day. On this note the proceedings ended.
Contrary to what appellee suggests in his brief we think that this record sustains the view that the discussion in open court on February 17, 1955 makes abundantly plain that counsel for both parties (neither of whom made any objection to the court’s suggestion) did not regard the making and entry of findings of fact and conclusions of law in the case at a later date as a meaningless gesture by the court. Respecting this procedure we quote in the margin the colloquy above referred to.1
It was pursuant to this unopposed suggestion that Judge Hall did later make and enter a formal judgment supported by findings.2- This procedure was in con[601]*601formity with his earlier suggestion concerning the desirability of entering findings in the case at some subsequent date. Appellant contends that, on the record, “the Court did not intend its ‘minute order’ of February 17, 1955, to be final in any sense.” We agree with this view of the record.
From the whole record we think it clearly indicates that the trial court intended to retain jurisdiction of the proceedings for further judicial consideration after entering the discharge order of February 17, 1955. In our view, this sort of proceeding not only served the ends of justice but was well within the orbit of judicial discretion. The end result was the preparation and filing, on March 11, 1955, of formal findings of fact, conclusions of law, and a judgment. The judgment was in harmony with the earlier “order of discharge” dated February 17, 1955.
On April 1, 1955 and upon application of the Attorney General of the State of California (appearing as counsel for appellant) the lower court issued a “Certificate of Probable Cause” in which it briefly recited, inter alia, that probable cause existed for an appeal “from the orders and judgment of this Court granting the Writ of Habeas Corpus and ordering petitioner released from custody in the above entitled matter.” (Emphasis supplied.)
On March 16, 1955, appellant gave formal “Notice of Appeal” the text of which appears in the margin.3 The text of this notice shows that appellant was endeavoring to appeal from both of the orders and/or judgments here noted, and involved on this appeal.
Appellee’s Position
On this appeal appellee vigorously contends that the February 17, 1955 “order for discharge” was a final and appealable order in the habeas corpus proceeding which fully terminated the controversy; that findings and conclusions “are not required in habeas corpus proceedings” (under Civil Rule 52, 28 U.S.C.A.) since “they add nothing to the [this] order.” His claim is that findings in connection with this order were not necessary to give it full force and validity; that since it was the final and appealable order in the case this Court has no jurisdiction to entertain the instant appeal since it was not timely “perfected” and is therefore fatally defective as against the aforesaid February 17, 1955 “final” order, this for reasons we note below.
On this jurisdictional issue appellee’s specific argument is that appellant did not secure the (above noted) certificate of probable cause required by 28 U.S.C.A. § 2253 within thirty days from and after entry of the February 17, 1955 order and judgment of discharge hence the attempt to appeal from that order necessarily fails. This certificate was issued by Judge Hall approximately 41 days after entry of the February 17, 1955 “order for discharge,” and approximately 35 days after the order denying a rehearing on that order.
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BONE, Circuit Judge.
I.
On September 15, 1953, a complaint captioned “The People of the State of California, plaintiff, vs. William Roth, defendant,” was lodged in the Municipal Court, San Diego Judicial District, County of San Diego, State of California. It charged the said Roth with the commission of a felony, to wit, uttering and passing a check bearing a fictitious name with intent to cheat and defraud certain California persons named in the complaint. Complainant prayed that a warrant issue for Roth’s arrest.
Sometime in January, 1955, Roth (appellee herein) was apprehended and delivered to the custody of the San Diego Police Department on a warrant issued by the San Diego authorities. A preliminary hearing was set for and held on February 10, 1955 in the Municipal Court of San Diego Judicial District. The preliminary examination was held in the Municipal Court which determined that there was reasonable cause to believe that Roth (whose true name appears to be Schmittroth) had committed an offense against the State of California, and ordered him held in custody of appellant sheriff pending further proceedings. Appellee raised the question of State court jurisdiction over him (for reasons noted below) but his objection was overruled by the Municipal Court.
On February 8,1955, appellee Schmittroth filed a petition for a writ of habeas corpus in the United States District Court, San Diego, this to secure freedom from detention by appellant.
The records before us indicate that in January, 1955, appellee had entered a plea of guilty in a criminal case then pending in the above named United States District Court the charge against him being the offense of transporting a false security in interstate commerce, a federal crime he had committed in Florida. Upon his plea, and on January 17, 1955, Judge Carter, the District Judge then sitting, sentenced Schmittroth to ten years confinement. Execution of this sentence appears to have been suspended and appellee was placed on five years probation by Judge Carter. 18 U.S.C.A. § 3651.
On February 9, 1955, the District Judge of the United States Court or[600]*600dered appellant to show cause on February 17, 1955 why a writ of habeas corpus should not issue on appellee’s petition and appellee be discharged from confinement by appellant. On February 11, 1955, appellant filed an answer to Schmittroth’s petition.
On February 17, 1955, a hearing was held in the lower court on appellee’s petition for the writ and appellant’s answer thereto. On that day the lower court issued and filed an “order for discharge” which directed that Schmittroth be “forthwith discharged from further imprisonment and detention by reason of the said commitment issued by the Municipal Court, San Diego Judicial District, County of San Diego, State of California.” The lower court did not make findings of fact and conclusions of law to accompany this order. Under this order appellee Schmittroth was discharged from imprisonment and detention by appellant.
On February 21, 1955, appellant filed a petition for a rehearing. The lower court denied this petition by order dated February 24, 1955.
The record of the hearing on February 17, 1955 (the only hearing held) is illuminating in that it serves to indicate the attitude of the court and both parties, as to the -finality which might possibly attach to the court’s order of discharge dated and filed on that day. Colloquy between Judge Hall and counsel in open court shows that the parties were advised by the Judge that appellee was entitled to the writ he sought; that it was the opinion of the court that counsel for appellee “had better have findings of fact here in this matter which can follow from this order,” i. e., the order of discharge entered that day. On this note the proceedings ended.
Contrary to what appellee suggests in his brief we think that this record sustains the view that the discussion in open court on February 17, 1955 makes abundantly plain that counsel for both parties (neither of whom made any objection to the court’s suggestion) did not regard the making and entry of findings of fact and conclusions of law in the case at a later date as a meaningless gesture by the court. Respecting this procedure we quote in the margin the colloquy above referred to.1
It was pursuant to this unopposed suggestion that Judge Hall did later make and enter a formal judgment supported by findings.2- This procedure was in con[601]*601formity with his earlier suggestion concerning the desirability of entering findings in the case at some subsequent date. Appellant contends that, on the record, “the Court did not intend its ‘minute order’ of February 17, 1955, to be final in any sense.” We agree with this view of the record.
From the whole record we think it clearly indicates that the trial court intended to retain jurisdiction of the proceedings for further judicial consideration after entering the discharge order of February 17, 1955. In our view, this sort of proceeding not only served the ends of justice but was well within the orbit of judicial discretion. The end result was the preparation and filing, on March 11, 1955, of formal findings of fact, conclusions of law, and a judgment. The judgment was in harmony with the earlier “order of discharge” dated February 17, 1955.
On April 1, 1955 and upon application of the Attorney General of the State of California (appearing as counsel for appellant) the lower court issued a “Certificate of Probable Cause” in which it briefly recited, inter alia, that probable cause existed for an appeal “from the orders and judgment of this Court granting the Writ of Habeas Corpus and ordering petitioner released from custody in the above entitled matter.” (Emphasis supplied.)
On March 16, 1955, appellant gave formal “Notice of Appeal” the text of which appears in the margin.3 The text of this notice shows that appellant was endeavoring to appeal from both of the orders and/or judgments here noted, and involved on this appeal.
Appellee’s Position
On this appeal appellee vigorously contends that the February 17, 1955 “order for discharge” was a final and appealable order in the habeas corpus proceeding which fully terminated the controversy; that findings and conclusions “are not required in habeas corpus proceedings” (under Civil Rule 52, 28 U.S.C.A.) since “they add nothing to the [this] order.” His claim is that findings in connection with this order were not necessary to give it full force and validity; that since it was the final and appealable order in the case this Court has no jurisdiction to entertain the instant appeal since it was not timely “perfected” and is therefore fatally defective as against the aforesaid February 17, 1955 “final” order, this for reasons we note below.
On this jurisdictional issue appellee’s specific argument is that appellant did not secure the (above noted) certificate of probable cause required by 28 U.S.C.A. § 2253 within thirty days from and after entry of the February 17, 1955 order and judgment of discharge hence the attempt to appeal from that order necessarily fails. This certificate was issued by Judge Hall approximately 41 days after entry of the February 17, 1955 “order for discharge,” and approximately 35 days after the order denying a rehearing on that order. [Under appellee’s theory, the appeal from the judgment of March 11, 1955 would have no legal significance and should be disregarded.] In short, appellee’s position is that there is no appeal properly before us in this case and the purported appeal should be dismissed for lack of jurisdiction.
Where detention arises (as here) out of process issued by a state court, it has been held by several Circuits that application for or obtaining the certificate of probable cause within 30 days (the time allowed by Rule 73(a) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure for taking an appeal) from and after an appealable [602]*602order is entered, is prerequisite to our appellate jurisdiction.4
In the light of these various Circuit holdings on this jurisdictional question we face the necessity of determining which one of the two orders and/or judgments here considered constitutes the final and appealable order entered in this case. Is it the order of discharge dated February 17, 1955 (or, in the alternative, the denial of the above noted petition for rehearing on February 24, 1955) or is it the second order and judgment filed and entered March 11, 1955? If the order of February 17, 1955 was a final and appealable order, (or in the alternative, if the denial of a rehearing can be said to be the “final order” in the case) then the appeal here attempted to be taken from either of these two earlier orders and/or judgments was not “perfected” within the allowable thirty day period from and after date of their entry because more than 30 days had elapsed between the entry of both orders and the filing and entry of the certificate of probable cause.
However, the certificate of probable cause for appeal from the later judgment of March 11, 1955 was obtained within the necessary thirty days from and after entry of that judgment. If it must be regarded as the final and appeal-able order in this case, it is clear from the record that the notice of appeal given in this case (which also includes appeal from the February 17th order) was timely filed and has been “perfected.”
In light of all of the facts and the sequence of events we have noted, we conclude that the judgment of March 11, 1955 was the final and therefore the appealable order. We think that the fact that appellant may have made a futile attempt to (also) appeal from the order of February 17, 1955 (Footnote 3) is not a jurisdictional bar to entertaining a timely appeal from the judgment of March 11, 1955 which rests upon formal findings and conclusions. In this view of the case, and because findings of fact were filed to support what we here hold was the final and appealable order, it is not necessary here to decide whether findings and conclusions are required to support a judgment in a habeas corpus proceeding.
For the reasons above stated, we hold that the contention of appellee that this Court has no jurisdiction of the instant appeal is without merit. We also hold that the “order for discharge” entered on February 17,1955 was not the final order from which to perfect an appeal, and that the aforesaid certificate of probable cause was timely procured. Hence, this Court has jurisdiction to entertain the instant appeal, 28 U.S.C.A. § 2253.
II.
Further issues are tendered by appellant. He urges that under “the rule of comity” the Court first acquiring jurisdiction of the person of a criminal is entitled to retain him in custody until he has finished his sentence; that the facts shown in this case do not affect the jurisdiction of the State of California to retain custody of appellee; that application of the rule of comity in no way affects any personal or constitutional right residing in him. In short, regardless of how appellee’s presence in the State court was secured, and regardless of the rule of comity, he was afforded full opportunity to defend against the State charge. Appellant supports this argument with a citation of cases.5
[603]*603Appellant also challenges the power of the lower court (under Section 2241 of Title 28 United States Code) to grant the instant writ of habeas corpus. His point is that if the lower court “purported to deny the consent to the State’s jurisdiction the court abused its discretion in its failure to consent to the State’s jurisdiction.” He urges that where (as here) the State authorities had actual possession of appellee and were affording him full right to present a defense, including the right of the Federal Government to enter an objection on the basis of the rule of comity concerning first acquired jurisdiction, the State court has jurisdiction. In light of this situation, and under the rule of comity the proceedings of the State authorities affected no right or immunity granted appellee by the Constitution, laws or treaties of the United States. Appellant cites cases in support of this argument.6
Appellant also argues that a writ of habeas corpus is not the proper remedy or procedure to review the application or failure to apply the rule of comity in the second (state) court acquiring jurisdiction. He supports this contention with citation of cases.7
These questions are considered below and discussed in light of cases which appear to be relevant.
A leading case on identical facts is Grant v. Guernsey, 10 Cir., 1933, 63 F.2d 163, certiorari denied 1935, 289 U.S. 744, 53 S.Ct. 688, 77 L.Ed. 1491. In the Guernsey case the petitioner was convicted of a federal offense, but sentence was suspended and petitioner placed on probation. Later, the state authorities charged petitioner with a state criminal offense committed prior to the federal sentence. Petitioner sought in the Federal District Court a writ of habeas corpus which was issued. On appeal, the Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed, saying the state action was “a direct interference with federal jurisdiction, and a violation of the rule of comity between federal and state courts.” At page 164 of 63 F.2d.
Since the Guernsey case many decisions 8 have either applied the rule, or recognized the rule but grounded the decision upon other factors.
Despite the wide adherence to the rule of the Guernsey case, supra, some courts have expressly refused to follow it. In United States ex rel. Pasela v. Fenno, 2 Cir., 1948, 167 F.2d 593, 595,9 the [604]*604Court stated, “We understand the Guernsey case to hold that the second [state] court, purportedly assuming jurisdiction, is entirely lacking in it * * *. If this is the holding of that decision, we decline to follow it.” United States of America ex rel. Spellman v. Murphy, 7 Cir., 1954, 217 F.2d 247, reached the result announced in the Pasela case. Both cases involved federal probationers subsequently charged before other courts, one a Naval court-martial, the other before a state court.
Appellee here argues that the California court was lacking in jurisdiction for the reason' that he was on probation granted by the lower court the consent of which court to his trial in the State court was not sought or obtained at any time. However, appellant argues that the State court does have jurisdiction to try appellee while he is a federal probationer unless the federal court or appropriate federal authorities object to exercise of state jurisdiction over the accused.
It is conceivable that certain statements of the Supreme Court may be susceptible of the meaning that the state court lacks jurisdiction in this case.10 In Ableman v. Booth, 1859, 21 How. 506, 16 L.Ed. 169, and Tarble’s case, In re Tarble, 1872, 13 Wall. 397, 20 L.Ed. 597, state courts were attempting to release, by issuance of writs of habeas corpus, prisoners who were then confined by federal authorities. In Ponzi v. Fessenden, 1922, 258 U.S. 254, 42 S.Ct. 309, 66 L.Ed. 607, the accused was in prison following conviction in a federal court when the State sought, by writ of habeas corpus, to bring the prisoner before a state court in order to there prosecute him for crimes against the State. It was in such circumstances that the Supreme Court spoke in general terms of lack of jurisdiction in the State court. Cf. Covell v. Heyman, 1884, 111 U.S. 176, 4 S.Ct. 355, 28 L.Ed. 390, where a specific res was involved.
We believe that the facts of this case are distinguishable. Here Schmittroth was arrested by the California authorities and was personally before the State court. At the time of the State arrest he had freedom of movement within the State, subject only to certain limitations in the order of the federal probation officer and the district court (such as to stay away from cities, etc.), and subject also to the requirement that the probationer report to the chief probation officer once a month.
It has long been the rule in criminal prosecutions that if the accused is personally before a court having jurisdiction of the subject matter, that court has jurisdiction over the accused regardless of how the accused was brought into the presence of the court.11
[605]*605It seems rational to conclude that when a case arises like the one now before us, the state court does have jurisdiction to try the accused (assuming the dne process requirements for existence of jurisdiction are met) but that when the federal court (or federal authorities as the case may be) object to its exercise of jurisdiction, the state must relinquish its jurisdiction until a future time, i. e., when the federal jurisdiction (here the period of probation) is at an end, or the federal court (or authorities) have expressed consent that the state may exercise its power. Hebert v. State of Louisiana, 1926, 272 U.S. 312, 47 S.Ct. 103, 71 L.Ed. 270; Florio v. Edwards, 5 Cir., 1936, 80 F.2d 509; United States ex rel. Pasela v. Fenno, supra; United States ex rel. Spellman v. Murphy, supra.
It seems to us in the instant case the federal court, by issuance of its writ of habeas corpus, has clearly expressed its objection to exercise by a state court of its criminal jurisdiction over the federal probationer at this time. Applying this rule, the State must postpone exercise of its criminal jurisdiction, either on the theory of comity between federal and state courts, or on the theory of federal supremacy. Ponzi v. Fessenden, supra; Covell v. Heyman, supra; Tarble’s case, supra. Since here the federal court has clearly expressed disapproval of the California court’s action, we need not discuss any theories of assumed consent. Hebert v. State of Louisiana, supra.
No prior case decided by this Court appears to be in conflict with the views here expressed. The principal Ninth Circuit case is Stamphill v. Johnston, 9 Cir., 1943, 136 F.2d 291, certiorari denied 320 U.S. 766, 64 S.Ct. 70, 88 L.Ed. 457, where the facts were the reverse of those in the case before us.12 In that case the State of Oklahoma first acquired jurisdiction over Stamphill, but later voluntarily surrendered the accused (out of its penitentiary) to the United States for trial in an Oklahoma federal district court. (When the Stamphill habeas corpus proceeding was before this Court, Stamphill was confined in the federal penitentiary at Alcatraz serving the Oklahoma federal sentence.) In our opinion we referred to Ponzi v. Fessenden, supra, and Ableman v. Booth, supra, and stated, “However the defendant was brought before the District Court, once he was there it had and was bound to exercise complete jurisdiction over him.”
At page 292, 136 F.2d, emphasis supplied.13
[606]*606There is no doubt that permission may be granted to the state. In Ponzi v. Fessenden, supra, the court was primarily concerned with the question of consent. The Supreme Court held that the federal attorney-general or his representative was qualified to consent that a federal prisoner be taken before the state court for trial.
III.
If the state court does have jurisdiction, but will decline to exercise it if the federal court makes objection, we are confronted with this question: Does appellee have standing to raise the question of exercise of state court jurisdiction over him? Appellant argues that only the federal court or authorities may raise such an issue.14 Appellee argues that the accused may raise the question.
It should be noted that in Stamphill v. Johnston, supra, we said, 136 F.2d at page 292:
“ * * * the arrangement made between the two sovereigns, the state and federal governments, does not concern the defendant who has violated the laws of each sovereignty and he cannot in his own right demand priority for the judgment of either.”15 (Emphasis supplied.)
We still adhere to the view there expressed that an accused has no standing to dispute arrangements which may be made between sovereigns when he has violated the laws of both. But we also believe that the accused has a right, in some manner, to bring to the attention of the court first taking jurisdiction over him (here the lower court) the fact that proceedings have been started against him in a state court.16 Once notice of the proceeding in the state court is brought to the federal court’s attention, whatever interest or standing the accused may have is at an end, and it is for the federal court to then decide whether the state court’s proceeding infringes upon, or interferes with, the jurisdiction of the federal court. In short, the accused has no control over the federal sovereign as to whether it will, or will not, consent to exercise of state jurisdiction over him.
In the case at bar we believe that the petition for a writ of habeas corpus was a suitable method by which appellee could bring before the lower court the fact of the pending proceeding against him in the California court. Here, the lower court issued the writ, thus indicating its intention that orderly administration of justice required that its jurisdiction over appellee should not be disturbed and should remain exclusive during the period of his probation. Had appellee’s writ been denied, there would have been no obstacle to the state proceeding against appellee.
[607]*607We are not intimating that (as here) a petition for a writ of habeas corpus, followed by the court’s ruling thereon, is the sole and only procedure by which the lower court could protect its jurisdiction. There may be other equally satisfactory methods by which to inform the lower court of pending state court proceedings. It is sufficient to say that in the instant case appellee’s petition for a writ of habeas corpus did afford an appropriate and expedient method by which to bring the fact of state court proceeding to the attention of the lower court, and that issuance of the writ was within the power of the lower court.17
In his dissent, Judge Chambers has discussed hypothetical situations which might possibly give rise to a jurisdictional conflict between state and federal courts over the right of either sovereignty to apprehend and/or proceed to prosecute a person then at large under a grant of probation from one or the other of such courts, but we think that his concern is not justified by the specific facts before us. Conceding that abuse of the privilege of the writ by state prisoners appealing to federal courts has approached farcical proportions, we cannot conclude that the important issue here tendered is of the frivolous nature characteristic of so many applications. In any event, this case poses an issue in the administration of law worthy of consideration. Attention is called to an article in the publication “Federal Probation” for March, 1956, page 54, commenting on the case at bar.
The court below pointed out (and held) that it was not destroying the jurisdiction of the State Court, and we quote in the margin its pertinent comments on this issue.18
[608]*608For the reasons here stated, the judgment of the District Court is affirmed.