Valente, J.
This is an article 78 proceeding which was transferred to this court pursuant to subdivision (g) of 7804 Civil Practice Law and Rules. Petitioner seeks to review a determination of the Civil Service Commission of the City of New York (Commission) denying his appeal from the determination of the Personnel Director of the City of New York which marked him ££ not qualified ” for the position of assistant mechanical engineer because of his £ £ arrest record ’ ’.
After petitioner had passed a competitive examination for the position of assistant mechanical engineer, he was, on June 27, 1962, appointed to such a position for a probationary period subject to investigation. Before that probationary period had expired, petitioner was marked £ 1 not qualified ’ ’ by the Personnel Director on January 24, 1963. Pursuant to section 50 of the Civil Service Law and rule IV (§ III, par. 4.3.5, subds. [a], [b]) of the Rules and Regulations of the New York City Civil Service Commission, petitioner appealed to the Commission. After conducting what purported to be a hearing on February 27, 1963, the Commission affirmed the action of the Personnel Director. The notification of affirmance, dated February 28, 1963, merely stated that the appeal on the disqualification had been denied.
Petitioner was marked disqualified by the Personnel Director because of his ££ arrest record”. That ££ arrest record ” appears in an Investigation Report submitted by the Director of Investigations of the Bureau of Administrative Services of the Department of Personnel. It sets forth an adjudication as a wayward minor in November, 1950 upon a charge of burglary and possession of burglar’s tools upon which petitioner was placed on probation. The other arrest arose out of a charge in April, 1953, accusing petitioner in concert with another of abduction and related crimes. The abduction charge was [109]*109dismissed and the petitioner pleaded guilty to assault, third degree, and was given a suspended sentence of one year in the penitentiary.
The blanket approval of the disqualification by the Commission does not give the basis of their denial of the appeal. It may not therefore be assumed that the entire “ arrest record ” was not considered in reaching that conclusion, although it is argued by respondents, in this court, that the Commissioners were concerned primarily, if not solely, with the assault conviction and that there is no indication that petitioner’s wayward minor adjudication was relied upon or that any unfavorable inference was drawn from it.
In our opinion, this matter must be remanded for a new hearing. Initially, we cannot accede to the assumption that the wayward minor adjudication was not considered by the Commissioners in arriving at their determination. Petitioner was found “ not qualified ” by virtue of his “ arrest record ”, which included the wayward minor adjudication. The affirmance by the Commission was in general terms of approval. As in the cases of a general verdict of a jury, a court may not guess upon what ground, to the exclusion of others submitted to the jury, a verdict was reached, in the absence of a special verdict.
Clearly, however, the statutes of this State prohibit the use of an adjudication as a wayward minor to “ operate as a disquálifícation of any such person subsequently to hold public office, public employment, or as a forfeiture of any right or privilege or to receive any license granted by public authority ” (Code Grim. Pro., § 913-dd). A similar rule applies as to adjudications of youthful offenders (Code Grim. Pro., § 913-n). So, too, in section 45 of the old Children’s Court Act and section 84 of the Domestic Relations Court Act, there were prohibitions against the use of adjudications in the Children’s Courts in connection with disqualifying a person from holding public office. The new Family Court Act, which supplanted the Children’s Court Act and the Domestic Relations Court Act, also provides, in section 782, that any adjudication under that article shall not operate as a forfeiture of any right or privilege or disqualify any person from subsequently holding public office.
The policy behind those provisions is clear and unmistakable, viz., to avoid the perpetual stigma of conviction as to persons who in early life have run afoul of the law. In cases of offenses by juveniles, there was to be a type of amnesty by [110]*110oblivion. In Matter of Anonymous v. New York City Tr. Auth. (4 AD 2d 953, affd. 7 NY 2d 769) the court in the Second Department said: “ section 913-dd of the Code of Criminal Procedure expressly prescribes that a person who has been adjudged a wayward minor shall not thereby be disqualified from holding public office or employment. In effect, this statute, for the purpose of determining fitness and eligibility for public office or employment, obliterates the transgressions which gave rise to the adjudication. Respondent is entitled to all the protection which the statute affords. For the appellant now to draw any inference adverse to the respondent’s character by reason of his derelictions when a minor is to deny to respondent the protection of the statute, to ignore its beneficent purpose and to violate the fundamental public policy which it so clearly manifests.” (See, also, Sutton v. New York City Tr. Auth., 150 N. Y. S. 2d 207.)
'Since, as already demonstrated, we cannot say on the basis of the record before us, to what extent, if any, petitioner’s adjudication as a wayward minor was improperly considered by the Personnel Director and the Commission in determining that petitioner was “ not qualified ”, there must be a remand, at least, for clarification on that matter.
Before tackling the question of the adequacy of the hearing on petitioner’s appeal to the Commission, we must first dispose of respondents’ contention that there was no statutory requirement for a hearing and that the Commission merely voluntarily afforded petitioner a hearing under its rules. Section 50 (subd. 4, par. [d]) of the Civil Service Law provides that the State Civil Service Department and municipal commissions may refuse after examination to certify an eligible who has been guilty of a crime or of infamous or notoriously disgraceful conduct. That section also provides: “No person shall be disqualified pursuant to this subdivision unless he has been given a written statement of the reasons therefor [111]*111and afforded an opportunity to make an explanation and to submit facts in opposition to such disqualification.”
Admittedly those provisions do not mandate a statutory disqualification hearing. However, section 20 of the Civil Service Law, makes provision for the adoption of rules by municipal civil service commissions to effect the provisions of the Civil Service Law and of section 6 of article V of the Constitution of the State of New York. Subdivision 2 of section 20 prescribes the procedure for the adoption of such rules and directs that such rules, when adopted, “ shall have the force and effect of law ”.
Pursuant to section 20, the New York City Civil Service Commission adopted a rule (rule IV, § III, par. 4.3.5) which provides that the Commission “shall also afford such appellant a hearing with representation by counsel,” when dealing with the disqualification of an applicant or eligible.
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Valente, J.
This is an article 78 proceeding which was transferred to this court pursuant to subdivision (g) of 7804 Civil Practice Law and Rules. Petitioner seeks to review a determination of the Civil Service Commission of the City of New York (Commission) denying his appeal from the determination of the Personnel Director of the City of New York which marked him ££ not qualified ” for the position of assistant mechanical engineer because of his £ £ arrest record ’ ’.
After petitioner had passed a competitive examination for the position of assistant mechanical engineer, he was, on June 27, 1962, appointed to such a position for a probationary period subject to investigation. Before that probationary period had expired, petitioner was marked £ 1 not qualified ’ ’ by the Personnel Director on January 24, 1963. Pursuant to section 50 of the Civil Service Law and rule IV (§ III, par. 4.3.5, subds. [a], [b]) of the Rules and Regulations of the New York City Civil Service Commission, petitioner appealed to the Commission. After conducting what purported to be a hearing on February 27, 1963, the Commission affirmed the action of the Personnel Director. The notification of affirmance, dated February 28, 1963, merely stated that the appeal on the disqualification had been denied.
Petitioner was marked disqualified by the Personnel Director because of his ££ arrest record”. That ££ arrest record ” appears in an Investigation Report submitted by the Director of Investigations of the Bureau of Administrative Services of the Department of Personnel. It sets forth an adjudication as a wayward minor in November, 1950 upon a charge of burglary and possession of burglar’s tools upon which petitioner was placed on probation. The other arrest arose out of a charge in April, 1953, accusing petitioner in concert with another of abduction and related crimes. The abduction charge was [109]*109dismissed and the petitioner pleaded guilty to assault, third degree, and was given a suspended sentence of one year in the penitentiary.
The blanket approval of the disqualification by the Commission does not give the basis of their denial of the appeal. It may not therefore be assumed that the entire “ arrest record ” was not considered in reaching that conclusion, although it is argued by respondents, in this court, that the Commissioners were concerned primarily, if not solely, with the assault conviction and that there is no indication that petitioner’s wayward minor adjudication was relied upon or that any unfavorable inference was drawn from it.
In our opinion, this matter must be remanded for a new hearing. Initially, we cannot accede to the assumption that the wayward minor adjudication was not considered by the Commissioners in arriving at their determination. Petitioner was found “ not qualified ” by virtue of his “ arrest record ”, which included the wayward minor adjudication. The affirmance by the Commission was in general terms of approval. As in the cases of a general verdict of a jury, a court may not guess upon what ground, to the exclusion of others submitted to the jury, a verdict was reached, in the absence of a special verdict.
Clearly, however, the statutes of this State prohibit the use of an adjudication as a wayward minor to “ operate as a disquálifícation of any such person subsequently to hold public office, public employment, or as a forfeiture of any right or privilege or to receive any license granted by public authority ” (Code Grim. Pro., § 913-dd). A similar rule applies as to adjudications of youthful offenders (Code Grim. Pro., § 913-n). So, too, in section 45 of the old Children’s Court Act and section 84 of the Domestic Relations Court Act, there were prohibitions against the use of adjudications in the Children’s Courts in connection with disqualifying a person from holding public office. The new Family Court Act, which supplanted the Children’s Court Act and the Domestic Relations Court Act, also provides, in section 782, that any adjudication under that article shall not operate as a forfeiture of any right or privilege or disqualify any person from subsequently holding public office.
The policy behind those provisions is clear and unmistakable, viz., to avoid the perpetual stigma of conviction as to persons who in early life have run afoul of the law. In cases of offenses by juveniles, there was to be a type of amnesty by [110]*110oblivion. In Matter of Anonymous v. New York City Tr. Auth. (4 AD 2d 953, affd. 7 NY 2d 769) the court in the Second Department said: “ section 913-dd of the Code of Criminal Procedure expressly prescribes that a person who has been adjudged a wayward minor shall not thereby be disqualified from holding public office or employment. In effect, this statute, for the purpose of determining fitness and eligibility for public office or employment, obliterates the transgressions which gave rise to the adjudication. Respondent is entitled to all the protection which the statute affords. For the appellant now to draw any inference adverse to the respondent’s character by reason of his derelictions when a minor is to deny to respondent the protection of the statute, to ignore its beneficent purpose and to violate the fundamental public policy which it so clearly manifests.” (See, also, Sutton v. New York City Tr. Auth., 150 N. Y. S. 2d 207.)
'Since, as already demonstrated, we cannot say on the basis of the record before us, to what extent, if any, petitioner’s adjudication as a wayward minor was improperly considered by the Personnel Director and the Commission in determining that petitioner was “ not qualified ”, there must be a remand, at least, for clarification on that matter.
Before tackling the question of the adequacy of the hearing on petitioner’s appeal to the Commission, we must first dispose of respondents’ contention that there was no statutory requirement for a hearing and that the Commission merely voluntarily afforded petitioner a hearing under its rules. Section 50 (subd. 4, par. [d]) of the Civil Service Law provides that the State Civil Service Department and municipal commissions may refuse after examination to certify an eligible who has been guilty of a crime or of infamous or notoriously disgraceful conduct. That section also provides: “No person shall be disqualified pursuant to this subdivision unless he has been given a written statement of the reasons therefor [111]*111and afforded an opportunity to make an explanation and to submit facts in opposition to such disqualification.”
Admittedly those provisions do not mandate a statutory disqualification hearing. However, section 20 of the Civil Service Law, makes provision for the adoption of rules by municipal civil service commissions to effect the provisions of the Civil Service Law and of section 6 of article V of the Constitution of the State of New York. Subdivision 2 of section 20 prescribes the procedure for the adoption of such rules and directs that such rules, when adopted, “ shall have the force and effect of law ”.
Pursuant to section 20, the New York City Civil Service Commission adopted a rule (rule IV, § III, par. 4.3.5) which provides that the Commission “shall also afford such appellant a hearing with representation by counsel,” when dealing with the disqualification of an applicant or eligible. Such a rule is not inconsistent with nor does it contravene, the provisions of subdivision 4 of section 50 affording an eligible ‘ ‘ an opportunity to make an explanation and to submit facts in opposition to such disqualification”. Consequently, as provided for in section 20 of the Civil Service Law, section III of rule IV of the City Civil Service Commission’s Bules and Regulations has the force and effect of law. (Matter of O’Brien v. Lang, 18 A D 2d 140, 143, affd. 13 N Y 2d 688; Matter of O’Brien v. Delaney, 255 App. Div. 385, 387, affd. 280 N. Y. 697; Matter of Cuzzivoglio v. Hamlin, 202 N. Y. S. 2d 402, 403, affd. 13 A D 2d 614, app. den. 13 A D 2d 899; see, also, Shaughnessy v. Accardi, 349 U. S. 280, 285.) In fact, in recognition of its rule, the Commission did purport to hold a hearing on the question of petitioner’s disqualification, as shown by the transcript of the proceeding before the Commission on February 27, 1963, in the record before this court.
A hearing required by a rule, which has the force and effect of law, is equivalent to one mandated by statute. The right to a hearing carried with it a right to a meaningful hearing in which petitioner would be given an opportunity to submit proof and support his contentions by argument.
Respondents argue that the Commission’s determination can be supported by petitioner’s assault conviction in 1953 since section 50 (subd. 4, par. [d]) of the Civil Service Law permits disqualification of one who has been guilty of a crime. However, the hearing on the question of the nature of the crime and petitioner’s involvement therein, was wholly inadequate. In the first place, the conviction resulted from a plea to the crime of assault, third degree — a misdemeanor. This was [112]*112evidently a plea to a lesser offense than that charged.* “ Such a plea does not presuppose the truth of the facts pleaded in the indictment * * * His plea only admits the facts stated in the plea as constituting the lesser crime.” (People v. Griffin, 7 N Y 2d 511, 515.) It is evident from the transcript, however, that the Commissioners were concerned with the original charge against petitioner, and did not confine, themselves to a consideration of merely the plea of simple assault. Under those circumstances, the hearing became inadequate when the Commissioners refused to permit petitioner to proffer a witness who could give material and relevant testimony as to the circumstances surrounding the charge which resulted in petitioner’s plea of gtdltg to simple assault.
A new hearing is therefore required, at which petitioner will be afforded an opportunity to present evidence as to the circumstances of the conviction upon which the Commission evidently relied, in whole or in part, in disqualifying petitioner. "
It would seem appropriate that following the new hearing directed herein, the Commission indicate in its ultimate ruling, the basis for its conclusion so that there be no doubt about the reason for any decision reached.
The determination of the Commission should therefore be annulled, without costs, and the matter remitted to the Commission for further proceedings not inconsistent with this opinion.
There is a strong public policy evidenced by the statutes prohibiting the use of adjudications of wayward minor, youthful offender, and juvenile delinquent as disqualification from holding public office or employment. A problem is posed as to the submission of records of any such adjudications to appointing officers, or others, in connection with applications for public employment. Where knowledge of such adjudications is communicated, it may be impossible to obliterate the effect of the acquisition of such information. But the nature of the position in a few categories may require disclosure of prior youthful offenses. It would be desirable if this subtle obstacle to a proper effectuation of the policy for the protection of persons who have been guilty of youthful indiscretions could be removed, giving due regard to the exigencies for disclosure in appropriate cases in the public interest.