25CA1225 Western Development v Lionshead Inn 07-23-2026
COLORADO COURT OF APPEALS
Court of Appeals No. 25CA1225 City and County of Denver District Court No. 21CV31539 Honorable Ericka F.H. Englert, Judge
Western Development, Inc.; Keith A. Novick, as Trustee of the Novick Family Irrevocable Trust dated 10/9/2009; and Keith A. Novick, individually,
Plaintiffs-Appellants,
v.
Lionshead Inn, LLC, and Lion Vail LLC,
Defendants-Appellees.
APPEAL DISMISSED IN PART, ORDER REVERSED, AND CASE REMANDED WITH DIRECTIONS
Division IV Opinion by JUDGE LUM Welling and Schock, JJ., concur
NOT PUBLISHED PURSUANT TO C.A.R. 35(e) Announced July 23, 2026
Keith A. Novick, Franklin, Tennessee, for Plaintiffs-Appellants
Porterfield & Oliver, LLC, Wendell B. Porterfield, Jr., Vail, Colorado, for Defendants-Appellees ¶1 Plaintiffs, Western Development, Inc.; Keith A. Novick, as
Trustee of the Novick Family Irrevocable Trust dated 10/9/2009;
and Keith A. Novick in his individual capacity (collectively, Novick),
appeal the trial court’s order awarding attorney fees and costs (fees
award) to defendant, Lionshead Inn, LLC (Lionshead). We reverse
the fees award and remand to the trial court for further
proceedings.
I. Background
¶2 This is the second appeal in a case that arose from a failed
real estate development venture among Novick; Lionshead; and
Sabalos, LLC (Sabalos).
¶3 The real estate venture was controlled primarily by two
agreements: the “operating agreement” and the “purchase
agreement.” The purchase agreement establishes a mechanism for
parties to become members of two real estate development
companies, Sierra Trail Investments, LLC (Sierra Trail), and
Mountain View Residential Properties, LLC (Mountain View). The
operating agreement regulates the parties’ rights and obligations
upon becoming members of Sierra Trail. The purchase agreement
contains no fee-shifting provision in the event of litigation.
1 However, the operating agreement entitles a member to recover
attorney fees if they “obtain[] a judgment against any other
[m]ember in connection with a dispute arising under or in
connection with this [a]greement,” provided that the prevailing
member participates in mediation before initiating a court action
(fee-shifting provision).
¶4 As relevant here, Novick brought the following claims against
Lionshead: (1) a breach of contract claim relating to the buy-sell
provisions of the purchase agreement; (2) a request for declaratory
judgment that Lionshead failed to make required capital
contributions under the purchase agreement; (3) fraud; and
(4) conspiracy to defraud.1 In its counterclaims, Lionshead sought
(1) a declaratory judgment that Novick lacked authority to appoint
himself as the manager of Sierra Trail; (2) a decree of judicial
dissolution of Sierra Trail and Mountain View; and (3) a declaratory
judgment that Novick lacked authority to dilute Lionshead’s
membership interests.
1 Novick also brought claims against Sabalos. Those claims aren’t at issue in this appeal.
2 ¶5 After a three-day bench trial, the court ruled that
(1) Lionshead had violated the capital contribution provisions of the
purchase agreement; (2) Lionshead didn’t breach the buy-sell
provision of the purchase agreement by refusing to acquire Novick’s
15% membership interests; (3) Novick’s appointment as the
manager of Sierra Trail was “ineffective and void ab initio”;
(4) Novick failed to prove his fraud claim against Lionshead, and
because of this, the conspiracy to defraud claim failed as a matter
of law; and (5) Novick lacked authority to dilute Lionshead’s
membership interests. Regarding the dissolution claim, the court
noted that it was inclined to order judicial dissolution of Sierra Trail
and Mountain View and appoint a receiver but that it would stay its
final order on that claim so the parties could work toward a sale.
The parties ultimately agreed to the appointment of a receiver a
year later.
¶6 After trial, Lionshead filed a motion to alter or amend the
judgment pursuant to C.R.C.P. 59, requesting, among other things,
that the court award Lionshead its reasonably incurred attorney
fees under the operating agreement’s fee-shifting provision. The
court denied this request, finding that Lionshead “failed to present
3 any evidence at trial that their counterclaims were submitted to
mediation,” as the agreement required.
¶7 Lionshead appealed the court’s judgment awarding Novick
damages for failing to make required capital contributions and
denying its request for an award of attorney fees. Novick
cross-appealed and challenged the trial court’s rulings dismissing
his breach of contract claim regarding the buy-sell provision in the
purchase agreement and declaring his appointment as a manager of
Sierra Trail ineffective under the operating agreement.
¶8 A division of this court affirmed the trial court’s merits rulings
but reversed the order declining to award attorney fees. See W.
Dev., Inc. v. Sabalos, LLC, (Colo. App. Nos. 22CA1433 & 22CA1891,
Dec. 7, 2023) (not published pursuant to C.A.R. 35(e)) (Western
Development I). The division concluded that Lionshead wasn’t
required to mediate before asserting compulsory counterclaims in a
lawsuit that had already been filed by Novick. Id., slip op. at ¶ 90.
The case was remanded for the trial court to determine and award
Lionshead its reasonable attorney fees incurred at trial and on
appeal. Id. at ¶¶ 90-91.
4 ¶9 On remand, Lionshead submitted an attorney fees affidavit for
$176,423.65 in fees and $10,944.46 in costs. After a hearing, and
over Novick’s objections, the trial court concluded that Lionshead
was entitled to all its requested fees.
¶ 10 Novick now makes several arguments on appeal. He first
argues that the trial court erred by awarding Lionshead all its
requested fees because some work pertained to (1) claims on which
Lionshead did not prevail or (2) claims that arose under the
purchase agreement — which did not contain a fee-shifting
provision. Second, he argues that the trial court failed to address
the mediation precondition to fees recovery. Third, he contends
that Lionshead isn’t entitled to fees because it secured no “money
judgment” on claims arising under the operating agreement.
Fourth, he argues that the trial court erred by failing to exclude
unrelated billing entries for unsuccessful postjudgment efforts,
receivership administration, and “general business representation
tasks.” Fifth, he contends that Lionshead’s vague and block-billed
time records preclude meaningful judicial review. Lastly, Novick
argues that the court erred by refusing to consider and award
5 postjudgment interest at a 15% rate. We address each argument in
turn.
II. Standard of Review and Applicable Law
¶ 11 We review a trial court’s award of attorney fees for an abuse of
discretion. Tisch v. Tisch, 2019 COA 41, ¶ 83. A trial court “abuses
its discretion when its ruling is manifestly arbitrary, unreasonable,
or unfair, and we will not overturn a trial court’s determination of a
reasonable attorney fee award unless it is patently erroneous and
unsupported by the evidence.” Id.
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25CA1225 Western Development v Lionshead Inn 07-23-2026
COLORADO COURT OF APPEALS
Court of Appeals No. 25CA1225 City and County of Denver District Court No. 21CV31539 Honorable Ericka F.H. Englert, Judge
Western Development, Inc.; Keith A. Novick, as Trustee of the Novick Family Irrevocable Trust dated 10/9/2009; and Keith A. Novick, individually,
Plaintiffs-Appellants,
v.
Lionshead Inn, LLC, and Lion Vail LLC,
Defendants-Appellees.
APPEAL DISMISSED IN PART, ORDER REVERSED, AND CASE REMANDED WITH DIRECTIONS
Division IV Opinion by JUDGE LUM Welling and Schock, JJ., concur
NOT PUBLISHED PURSUANT TO C.A.R. 35(e) Announced July 23, 2026
Keith A. Novick, Franklin, Tennessee, for Plaintiffs-Appellants
Porterfield & Oliver, LLC, Wendell B. Porterfield, Jr., Vail, Colorado, for Defendants-Appellees ¶1 Plaintiffs, Western Development, Inc.; Keith A. Novick, as
Trustee of the Novick Family Irrevocable Trust dated 10/9/2009;
and Keith A. Novick in his individual capacity (collectively, Novick),
appeal the trial court’s order awarding attorney fees and costs (fees
award) to defendant, Lionshead Inn, LLC (Lionshead). We reverse
the fees award and remand to the trial court for further
proceedings.
I. Background
¶2 This is the second appeal in a case that arose from a failed
real estate development venture among Novick; Lionshead; and
Sabalos, LLC (Sabalos).
¶3 The real estate venture was controlled primarily by two
agreements: the “operating agreement” and the “purchase
agreement.” The purchase agreement establishes a mechanism for
parties to become members of two real estate development
companies, Sierra Trail Investments, LLC (Sierra Trail), and
Mountain View Residential Properties, LLC (Mountain View). The
operating agreement regulates the parties’ rights and obligations
upon becoming members of Sierra Trail. The purchase agreement
contains no fee-shifting provision in the event of litigation.
1 However, the operating agreement entitles a member to recover
attorney fees if they “obtain[] a judgment against any other
[m]ember in connection with a dispute arising under or in
connection with this [a]greement,” provided that the prevailing
member participates in mediation before initiating a court action
(fee-shifting provision).
¶4 As relevant here, Novick brought the following claims against
Lionshead: (1) a breach of contract claim relating to the buy-sell
provisions of the purchase agreement; (2) a request for declaratory
judgment that Lionshead failed to make required capital
contributions under the purchase agreement; (3) fraud; and
(4) conspiracy to defraud.1 In its counterclaims, Lionshead sought
(1) a declaratory judgment that Novick lacked authority to appoint
himself as the manager of Sierra Trail; (2) a decree of judicial
dissolution of Sierra Trail and Mountain View; and (3) a declaratory
judgment that Novick lacked authority to dilute Lionshead’s
membership interests.
1 Novick also brought claims against Sabalos. Those claims aren’t at issue in this appeal.
2 ¶5 After a three-day bench trial, the court ruled that
(1) Lionshead had violated the capital contribution provisions of the
purchase agreement; (2) Lionshead didn’t breach the buy-sell
provision of the purchase agreement by refusing to acquire Novick’s
15% membership interests; (3) Novick’s appointment as the
manager of Sierra Trail was “ineffective and void ab initio”;
(4) Novick failed to prove his fraud claim against Lionshead, and
because of this, the conspiracy to defraud claim failed as a matter
of law; and (5) Novick lacked authority to dilute Lionshead’s
membership interests. Regarding the dissolution claim, the court
noted that it was inclined to order judicial dissolution of Sierra Trail
and Mountain View and appoint a receiver but that it would stay its
final order on that claim so the parties could work toward a sale.
The parties ultimately agreed to the appointment of a receiver a
year later.
¶6 After trial, Lionshead filed a motion to alter or amend the
judgment pursuant to C.R.C.P. 59, requesting, among other things,
that the court award Lionshead its reasonably incurred attorney
fees under the operating agreement’s fee-shifting provision. The
court denied this request, finding that Lionshead “failed to present
3 any evidence at trial that their counterclaims were submitted to
mediation,” as the agreement required.
¶7 Lionshead appealed the court’s judgment awarding Novick
damages for failing to make required capital contributions and
denying its request for an award of attorney fees. Novick
cross-appealed and challenged the trial court’s rulings dismissing
his breach of contract claim regarding the buy-sell provision in the
purchase agreement and declaring his appointment as a manager of
Sierra Trail ineffective under the operating agreement.
¶8 A division of this court affirmed the trial court’s merits rulings
but reversed the order declining to award attorney fees. See W.
Dev., Inc. v. Sabalos, LLC, (Colo. App. Nos. 22CA1433 & 22CA1891,
Dec. 7, 2023) (not published pursuant to C.A.R. 35(e)) (Western
Development I). The division concluded that Lionshead wasn’t
required to mediate before asserting compulsory counterclaims in a
lawsuit that had already been filed by Novick. Id., slip op. at ¶ 90.
The case was remanded for the trial court to determine and award
Lionshead its reasonable attorney fees incurred at trial and on
appeal. Id. at ¶¶ 90-91.
4 ¶9 On remand, Lionshead submitted an attorney fees affidavit for
$176,423.65 in fees and $10,944.46 in costs. After a hearing, and
over Novick’s objections, the trial court concluded that Lionshead
was entitled to all its requested fees.
¶ 10 Novick now makes several arguments on appeal. He first
argues that the trial court erred by awarding Lionshead all its
requested fees because some work pertained to (1) claims on which
Lionshead did not prevail or (2) claims that arose under the
purchase agreement — which did not contain a fee-shifting
provision. Second, he argues that the trial court failed to address
the mediation precondition to fees recovery. Third, he contends
that Lionshead isn’t entitled to fees because it secured no “money
judgment” on claims arising under the operating agreement.
Fourth, he argues that the trial court erred by failing to exclude
unrelated billing entries for unsuccessful postjudgment efforts,
receivership administration, and “general business representation
tasks.” Fifth, he contends that Lionshead’s vague and block-billed
time records preclude meaningful judicial review. Lastly, Novick
argues that the court erred by refusing to consider and award
5 postjudgment interest at a 15% rate. We address each argument in
turn.
II. Standard of Review and Applicable Law
¶ 11 We review a trial court’s award of attorney fees for an abuse of
discretion. Tisch v. Tisch, 2019 COA 41, ¶ 83. A trial court “abuses
its discretion when its ruling is manifestly arbitrary, unreasonable,
or unfair, and we will not overturn a trial court’s determination of a
reasonable attorney fee award unless it is patently erroneous and
unsupported by the evidence.” Id. But if the trial court “fails to
provide findings sufficient to afford review of the reasons for the
award, an appellate court must reverse the award and remand for
further proceedings.” Bob Blake Builders, Inc. v. Gramling, 18 P.3d
859, 866 (Colo. App. 2001). We review de novo whether a trial
court correctly applied the law to the facts of the case. CB Richard
Ellis, Inc. v. CLGP, LLC, 251 P.3d 523, 530 (Colo. App. 2010).
¶ 12 Courts generally follow the “American Rule,” which provides
that each party is responsible for its own attorney fees. Mulberry
Frontage Metro. Dist. v. Sunstate Equip. Co., 2023 COA 66, ¶ 27.
However, a private contract may provide that fees can be awarded
to the prevailing party in a lawsuit. See W. Stone & Metal Corp. v.
6 DIG HP1, LLC, 2020 COA 58, ¶ 7; Wheeler v. T.L. Roofing, Inc., 74
P.3d 499, 503 (Colo. App. 2003).
¶ 13 When a lawsuit contains multiple claims for relief, a party that
has won some claims but lost others can recover all of its attorney
fees if the claims involve a “common core of facts” or are “based on
related legal theories” such that counsel’s efforts on an individual
claim cannot be distinguished from work on the whole of the
litigation. Whiting-Turner Contracting Co. v. Guarantee Co. of N. Am.
USA, 2019 COA 44, ¶ 58 (citation omitted). However, when a party
presents distinctly different claims for relief based on different facts
or legal theories, that party may only recover legal fees attributable
to the claims on which the party prevailed. Id.; see also State ex rel.
Coffman v. Robert J. Hopp & Assocs., LLC, 2018 COA 71, ¶ 20
(“Where a [party] brings multiple claims, but is only successful on
some claims, we apply a method of claim segregation to determine
to what extent an award of attorney fees can be awarded . . . .”).
¶ 14 An award of attorney fees must be reasonable, and the trial
court must make sufficient findings to permit meaningful appellate
review. Yaekle v. Andrews, 169 P.3d 196, 201 (Colo. App. 2007)
aff’d on other grounds, 195 P.3d 1101 (Colo. 2008); cf. In re
7 Marriage of Young, 2021 COA 96, ¶ 40 (when a trial court’s findings
are insufficient to inform the appellate court of the basis for the
order, the appellate court will remand for further consideration).
III. Fees Award Analysis
A. Effect of Western Development I
¶ 15 As an initial matter, we address Lionshead’s argument that
Western Development I precludes the trial court (or this division)
from narrowing the scope of attorney fees it can collect. Lionshead
argues that, because the prior division remanded for consideration
of the reasonableness of the requested fees, Western Development I
decided and rejected Novick’s arguments that Lionshead isn’t
entitled to fees for work done related to (1) claims on which it didn’t
prevail and (2) claims arising out of the purchase agreement rather
than the operating agreement. We reject this contention.
¶ 16 In its initial Rule 59 motion asking the trial court to award
fees, Lionshead didn’t file an affidavit of fees or any supporting
billing documentation. Because Lionshead’s motion failed to
identify the specific fees it was requesting, Novick didn’t oppose
(and didn’t have the opportunity to oppose) the fees’ scope until
remand. Furthermore, the trial court denied that Rule 59 motion
8 based solely on the mediation precondition. And — apart from the
mediation precondition — Western Development I didn’t address the
scope of the attorney fees request because neither party briefed
these arguments.
¶ 17 Conversely, Western Development I squarely addressed and
rejected Novick’s argument that the trial court erred by awarding
attorney fees because of the operating agreement’s mediation
precondition to fees recovery. The division held that because
“Lionshead wasn’t the party that filed the action, it wasn’t required
to pursue mediation before asserting its counterclaims.” Western
Development I, slip op. at ¶ 89. Thus, the trial court didn’t err by
declining to consider Novick’s mediation argument when he raised
it again during the remand proceedings.
¶ 18 In sum, notwithstanding the broad language of the Western
Development I mandate, the sole issue it decided with respect to
attorney fees was that Lionshead’s fees request wasn’t precluded by
the mediation precondition. See Kuhn v. State, Dep’t of Revenue,
897 P.2d 792, 795-96 (Colo. 1995) (holding that prior appellate
decision did not bar consideration of issue that “was not decided” in
that opinion); Owners Ins. Co. v. Dakota Station II Condo. Ass’n,
9 2021 COA 114, ¶ 24 (explaining that mandate rule requires trial
court on remand to follow appellate court’s conclusions “on issues
presented to it” (citation omitted)).
B. Scope of Attorney Fees
¶ 19 Novick next argues that the trial court erred by awarding
Lionshead all of its requested fees because (1) Lionshead didn’t
prevail on all claims; (2) some claims arose out of the purchase
agreement rather than the operating agreement; and (3) Lionshead
failed to differentiate billing entries for unsuccessful or purchase-
agreement-based claims from entries for the operating-agreement-
based claims on which it prevailed.
¶ 20 In its order, the trial court ruled, “[Novick’s] arguments
concerning work unrelated to the claims won are unavailing,” as
“the [c]ourt cannot expect a party to itemize every minute spent on
a precise topic.” The court, however, didn’t directly address
Novick’s arguments about the purchase agreement versus the
operating agreement.
¶ 21 To the extent the trial court didn’t attempt to analyze whether
the claims arose out of a common core of operative facts or related
legal theories, it erred. Unless the claims are related to each other
10 in one of those two ways, Lionshead isn’t entitled to fees expended
on unsuccessful claims or on claims that didn’t arise “under or in
connection with” the operating agreement.
¶ 22 To the extent the trial court determined that the claims shared
a common core of operative facts or were based on related legal
theories, its order doesn’t contain sufficient analysis to facilitate
appellate review of such a finding.
¶ 23 The fact finder is in the best position to make a common core
determination because “whether claims are interrelated or
segregable is inherently sensitive to the facts of . . . the underlying
dispute.” Rocky Mountain Festivals, Inc. v. Parsons Corp., 242 P.3d
1067, 1074 (Colo. 2010); see also McKenna v. City of Philadelphia,
582 F.3d 447, 458 (3d Cir. 2009) (“Establishing relatedness on a
claim-by-claim basis in the attorneys’ fees context is a fact-intensive
determination that rightfully belongs within the [trial court’s]
discretion . . . .”). If the trial court determined there was a common
core of facts or that the claims were based on related legal theories,
we can’t tell why it made that determination from the order. See
Hensley v. Eckerhart, 461 U.S. 424, 437 (1983) (A trial court has
“superior understanding of the litigation” and must “provide a
11 concise but clear explanation of its reasons for the fee award” when
exercising its discretion to determine the amount.). And we can’t
make this discretionary determination for the first time on appeal.
Therefore, we must reverse.
¶ 24 On remand, the trial court must consider whether Novick’s
and Lionshead’s claims arose out of a common core of facts or
related legal theories such that counsel’s efforts on one claim
cannot be distinguished from efforts on the whole of the litigation.
If it so finds, the court must sufficiently explain the grounds for
such findings for a reviewing court to understand (and potentially
review) the basis of its decision. If, on the other hand, the trial
court finds that the claims are sufficiently distinct, the court must
explain the basis of its findings and should award fees only for
those claims that arose under the operating agreement and on
which Lionshead prevailed.
C. Other Arguments
¶ 25 Novick contends that because Lionshead obtained “no money
judgment” on any dispute arising under the operating agreement,
Lionshead isn’t entitled to fees. The operating agreement provides,
“If the [c]ompany or any [m]ember obtains a judgment against any
12 other [m]ember in connection with a dispute arising under or in
connection with this [a]greement . . . such party shall be entitled to
recover its court . . . costs, and reasonable attorneys’ fees.”
(Emphasis added.) In other words, Novick apparently asks this
court to interpret “judgment” as used in the operating agreement to
mean “money judgment.” But because this issue is unpreserved
and undeveloped, we decline to address it further. See Salazar v.
Pub. Tr. Inst., 2022 COA 109M, ¶¶ 34-35 (if an argument is
undeveloped or raised for the first time on appeal, it is unpreserved
for appellate review).
¶ 26 Novick next argues that the court erred by failing to exclude
bills related to postjudgment work, business representation tasks,
and receivership tasks. He also contends that the court didn’t
account for the vague descriptions and block billing in Lionshead’s
fees request.
¶ 27 Because we have already reversed the fees award on other
grounds and because the remand proceedings may change the
amount of fees awarded, we need not (and should not) address
these arguments in this opinion. But regardless of how the trial
court resolves the “common core” or “related legal theories”
13 questions, the order on remand should also address Novick’s
arguments about (1) Lionshead’s entitlement to fees for receivership
tasks, business representation tasks, and postjudgment work; and
(2) block-billed or inadequately described entries. The order should
also explain the court’s reasoning with sufficient detail to facilitate
appellate review.
IV. Postjudgment Interest Rate
¶ 28 Lastly, Novick asserts that the trial court erred by not
awarding postjudgment interest at 15% instead of the statutory rate
of 8%. We dismiss this portion of the appeal for lack of a final
appealable order.
¶ 29 After the Western Development I division issued its opinion but
before the issuance of the mandate, Novick filed a “Motion to
Release [Lionshead’s] Appeal Bond, or in the Alternative, to Increase
the Amount of the Bond,” requesting, in part, that interest on the
underlying judgment accrue at the rate of 15% per annum. The
trial court denied the request to increase the amount of the bond
“because the interest rate proposed by Novick differs from the rate
that was originally asserted and adopted by the trial court.” To the
extent the trial court denied Novick’s request to increase the
14 interest rate on its merits, that portion of the order is void because
the case had not yet been remanded, and the trial court therefore
had no jurisdiction to consider whether to amend the interest rate.
See Anstine v. Churchman, 74 P.3d 451, 452 (Colo. App. 2003)
(“Generally, once an appeal is taken, a trial court is divested of
jurisdiction to determine substantive matters that directly affect the
judgment being appealed unless the appellate court has issued a
remand order.”), overruled on other grounds by, Musick v. Woznicki,
136 P.3d 244 (Colo. 2006).
¶ 30 After the trial court entered the fees order, Novick filed a
“Motion for Stay of Execution Pending Appeal,” in which he again
asked the court to order a 15% postjudgment interest rate on the
underlying judgment. The trial court ruled, “To the extent the
parties dispute the interest rate on Novick’s judgment, that issue is
not properly before the [c]ourt and the [c]ourt declines to address
it.” In other words, the trial court didn’t rule on Novick’s second
request on the merits; rather, we construe the order as a denial of
the request without prejudice. Accordingly, the denial isn’t a final
appealable judgment. See SMLL, L.L.C. v. Daly, 128 P.3d 266,
268-69 (Colo. App. 2025); Hall v. Am. Standard Ins. Co. of Wis.,
15 2012 COA 201, ¶ 6 (an appellate court has jurisdiction over an
appeal from a trial court ruling only after the trial court has entered
a final judgment), overruled on other grounds by, L.H.M. Corp., TCD
v. Martinez, 2021 CO 78. We therefore dismiss this part of the
appeal, without prejudice, for lack of a final appealable order. See
§ 13-4-102(1), C.R.S. 2025.
V. Lionshead’s Request for Appellate Fees
¶ 31 Lionshead requests an award of appellate attorney fees
incurred in this appeal under the operating agreement’s fee-shifting
provision. Because we reverse the fees order, Lionshead’s request is
premature. On remand, the trial court should address Lionshead’s
request for an award of its appellate attorney fees under the
VI. Disposition
¶ 32 The portion of the appeal regarding the postjudgment interest
rate is dismissed. The fees order awarding attorney fees to
Lionshead is reversed, and the case is remanded for further
proceedings consistent with this opinion.
JUDGE WELLING and JUDGE SCHOCK concur.