RIVES, Circuit Judge.
The difference between the parties is pointed up by their separate concepts of the question to be decided. The petitioner-employer submits that the issue is:
[874]*874“Whether a union, the certified representative of a plant bargaining unit may require of an employer as a condition to its agreement that its contract and all contracts under negotiation between the employer and other certified representatives of different bargaining units at other plants shall expire upon a common date.”
The respondent-Board, on the other hand, argues that:
“ * * * where, as here, two or more unions are simultaneously negotiating separate contracts with the same employer, such unions have just as much right to insist that the contracts shall expire on the same date as ¡the employer has to insist that they shall expire on different dates.”
The original complaints were issued against the unions upon unfair labor practice charges filed by the employer to the effect that the unions refused to bargain in good faith with the employer in violation of Section 8(b) (3) of the National Labor Relations Act, 29 U.S. C.A. § 158(b) (3). The cases were consolidated for hearing. When the General Counsel rested his case in chief, each of the respondent unions moved to dismiss the complaint on the ground that the evidence failed to show a violation of Section 8(b) (3). The Trial Examiner took the motions to dismiss under advisement and recessed the hearing, commenting :
“As an aid to me in determining whether I should grant the motions, as I am inclined to do, to grant it; I would welcome from all parties their legal analysis of the issue involved here; namely whether or not it is a violation of Section 8(b) (3) to require, as the evidence indicates here respondents did require, common termination dates of contracts to and beyond the point of impasse.” (Emphasis supplied.)
Subsequently, the Trial Examiner dismissed the complaints'holding squarely that the demand of each of the unions for common expiration dates of all contracts was, as a matter of law, within the realm of permissible bargaining.
The Board, in an extremely brief decision, affirmed; but, in so doing, refused to consider the ground upon which the Trial Examiner based his decision and, instead, held simply that, because contract duration is a bargainable issue, it is not an unfair labor practice for unions to insist upon specific expiration dates for their contracts.
The petitioner-employer urges that the Board’s decision was based upon an erroneous conception of the facts, that this case does not involve a union demand for a specific expiration date of its contract, but, in each instance, a demand that its contract and contracts under separate negotiaton with other unions expire on the same date common to ¿11.
The two questions are not identical either legally or actually. Legally there can be no serious debate that each union may insist upon a specific expiration date for its contract whether or not that is the same date being insisted on by another union with respect to another contract. This case demonstrates, however, that strong legal objections can be raised to a union’s demand that the employer agree with it and with another union or unions for a common expiration date as to two or more contracts. Actually, in practical operation, an employer might accede to a union’s request for a specific expiration date for its contract, but then adamantly, and perhaps successfully, resist the demand of another union for the same expiration date for its contract. In that event, the specific insistence of the first union would be met, but its real purpose and object would be defeated. Because we agree with the petitioner-employer that the Board did misconceive the issue to be decided, it becomes necessary to detail the facts and circumstances at some length.
Petitioner-employer, a manufacturer of a number of products, including cast iron pressure pipe, owns and operates [875]*875several pipe plants, including one at Burlington, New Jersey, one at Bessemer, Alabama, and one at North Birmingham in Birmingham, Alabama.
Dating back to certifications issued by the Board in 1940, the Molders1 and its Local 256 have represented petitioner’s employees at the North Birmingham plant, while the Steelworkers2 and its Local 2140 have represented a comparable unit consisting of the employees at the Bessemer plant, excluding, however, several craft groups which are represented by other unions. Acting through other locals, the Steelworkers also represents employees of petitioner at various other establishments, including a plant at Burlington, New Jersey, where the Steelworkers obtained a certification in 1942.3
In 1959, the Steelworkers had contracts at the Burlington and Bessemer plants which were due to expire 70 days apart — August 20 at Burlington and October 31 at Bessemer. At the Burlington plant, the parties failed to reach agreement as to the terms of a new contract and the Steelworkers called a strike on or about August 20 when the old contract expired. A few days after that, the Steelworkers started negotiating with management representatives at Bessemer. Here, again, an impasse developed and, as the old contract expired, the Union called a strike commencing October 31.
At North Birmingham, meanwhile, petitioner had been operating under a comparatively new contract with the Molders, which went into effect on June 1, 1959. That agreement was not due to expire until July 31, 1960, but it contained a “reopening” provision and, pursuant thereto, the Molders served notice on November 2 that its members desired to renegotiate certain matters. The parties accordingly started bargaining at that plant about mid-November, but failed to reach agreement, and the Molders called a strike beginning January 26, 1960.
We have carefully read and studied the record of negotiations at Bessemer between the petitioner and Steelworkers and those at North Birmingham between petitioner and the Molders. It would unduly prolong this opinion to set out those negotiations at length. Suffice it to say that we agree with the Trial Examiner on his charaterization of the issue. The Steelworkers did suggest contract expiration dates of May 1 or June 1, but those suggestions were for adoption of a common date for all three contracts.4 [876]*876The Molders’ suggestion of a particular date was likewise conditioned upon acceptance by the employer of that date for all three contracts.5
[877]*877At the risk of repetition, we restate the question presented by the practically undisputed facts, viz.: whether by prearrangement among themselves, each of three unions, certified representatives of three separate plant bargaining units, simultaneously negotiating separate contracts with the same employer, may insist as a condition to its agreement that all three contracts under negotiation shall expire on some common date.
The scope of mandatory bargaining is limited to “wages, hours, and other terms and conditions of employment.” 6 Within that scope, the employer and the representative of the employees must bargain or be guilty of an unfair labor practice. Section 8(b) (3) of the Act.
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RIVES, Circuit Judge.
The difference between the parties is pointed up by their separate concepts of the question to be decided. The petitioner-employer submits that the issue is:
[874]*874“Whether a union, the certified representative of a plant bargaining unit may require of an employer as a condition to its agreement that its contract and all contracts under negotiation between the employer and other certified representatives of different bargaining units at other plants shall expire upon a common date.”
The respondent-Board, on the other hand, argues that:
“ * * * where, as here, two or more unions are simultaneously negotiating separate contracts with the same employer, such unions have just as much right to insist that the contracts shall expire on the same date as ¡the employer has to insist that they shall expire on different dates.”
The original complaints were issued against the unions upon unfair labor practice charges filed by the employer to the effect that the unions refused to bargain in good faith with the employer in violation of Section 8(b) (3) of the National Labor Relations Act, 29 U.S. C.A. § 158(b) (3). The cases were consolidated for hearing. When the General Counsel rested his case in chief, each of the respondent unions moved to dismiss the complaint on the ground that the evidence failed to show a violation of Section 8(b) (3). The Trial Examiner took the motions to dismiss under advisement and recessed the hearing, commenting :
“As an aid to me in determining whether I should grant the motions, as I am inclined to do, to grant it; I would welcome from all parties their legal analysis of the issue involved here; namely whether or not it is a violation of Section 8(b) (3) to require, as the evidence indicates here respondents did require, common termination dates of contracts to and beyond the point of impasse.” (Emphasis supplied.)
Subsequently, the Trial Examiner dismissed the complaints'holding squarely that the demand of each of the unions for common expiration dates of all contracts was, as a matter of law, within the realm of permissible bargaining.
The Board, in an extremely brief decision, affirmed; but, in so doing, refused to consider the ground upon which the Trial Examiner based his decision and, instead, held simply that, because contract duration is a bargainable issue, it is not an unfair labor practice for unions to insist upon specific expiration dates for their contracts.
The petitioner-employer urges that the Board’s decision was based upon an erroneous conception of the facts, that this case does not involve a union demand for a specific expiration date of its contract, but, in each instance, a demand that its contract and contracts under separate negotiaton with other unions expire on the same date common to ¿11.
The two questions are not identical either legally or actually. Legally there can be no serious debate that each union may insist upon a specific expiration date for its contract whether or not that is the same date being insisted on by another union with respect to another contract. This case demonstrates, however, that strong legal objections can be raised to a union’s demand that the employer agree with it and with another union or unions for a common expiration date as to two or more contracts. Actually, in practical operation, an employer might accede to a union’s request for a specific expiration date for its contract, but then adamantly, and perhaps successfully, resist the demand of another union for the same expiration date for its contract. In that event, the specific insistence of the first union would be met, but its real purpose and object would be defeated. Because we agree with the petitioner-employer that the Board did misconceive the issue to be decided, it becomes necessary to detail the facts and circumstances at some length.
Petitioner-employer, a manufacturer of a number of products, including cast iron pressure pipe, owns and operates [875]*875several pipe plants, including one at Burlington, New Jersey, one at Bessemer, Alabama, and one at North Birmingham in Birmingham, Alabama.
Dating back to certifications issued by the Board in 1940, the Molders1 and its Local 256 have represented petitioner’s employees at the North Birmingham plant, while the Steelworkers2 and its Local 2140 have represented a comparable unit consisting of the employees at the Bessemer plant, excluding, however, several craft groups which are represented by other unions. Acting through other locals, the Steelworkers also represents employees of petitioner at various other establishments, including a plant at Burlington, New Jersey, where the Steelworkers obtained a certification in 1942.3
In 1959, the Steelworkers had contracts at the Burlington and Bessemer plants which were due to expire 70 days apart — August 20 at Burlington and October 31 at Bessemer. At the Burlington plant, the parties failed to reach agreement as to the terms of a new contract and the Steelworkers called a strike on or about August 20 when the old contract expired. A few days after that, the Steelworkers started negotiating with management representatives at Bessemer. Here, again, an impasse developed and, as the old contract expired, the Union called a strike commencing October 31.
At North Birmingham, meanwhile, petitioner had been operating under a comparatively new contract with the Molders, which went into effect on June 1, 1959. That agreement was not due to expire until July 31, 1960, but it contained a “reopening” provision and, pursuant thereto, the Molders served notice on November 2 that its members desired to renegotiate certain matters. The parties accordingly started bargaining at that plant about mid-November, but failed to reach agreement, and the Molders called a strike beginning January 26, 1960.
We have carefully read and studied the record of negotiations at Bessemer between the petitioner and Steelworkers and those at North Birmingham between petitioner and the Molders. It would unduly prolong this opinion to set out those negotiations at length. Suffice it to say that we agree with the Trial Examiner on his charaterization of the issue. The Steelworkers did suggest contract expiration dates of May 1 or June 1, but those suggestions were for adoption of a common date for all three contracts.4 [876]*876The Molders’ suggestion of a particular date was likewise conditioned upon acceptance by the employer of that date for all three contracts.5
[877]*877At the risk of repetition, we restate the question presented by the practically undisputed facts, viz.: whether by prearrangement among themselves, each of three unions, certified representatives of three separate plant bargaining units, simultaneously negotiating separate contracts with the same employer, may insist as a condition to its agreement that all three contracts under negotiation shall expire on some common date.
The scope of mandatory bargaining is limited to “wages, hours, and other terms and conditions of employment.” 6 Within that scope, the employer and the representative of the employees must bargain or be guilty of an unfair labor practice. Section 8(b) (3) of the Act. A further limitation of the scope of mandatory bargaining is implicit in the authority of the Board to decide upon the appropriate bargaining unit, and in each union’s position as the exclusive representative of all employees in such unit:
29 U.S.C.A. § 159(a):
“ § 159. Representatives and elections — (a) Exclusive representatives; employees’ adjustment of grievances directly with employer
“Representatives designated or selected for the purposes of collective bargaining by the majority of the employees in a unit appropriate for such purposes, shall be the exclusive representatives of all the employees in such unit for the purposes of collective bargaining in respect to rates of pay, wages, hours of' employment, or other conditions of employment * *
29 U.S.C.A. § 159(b):
“The Board shall decide in each case whether, in order to assure to employees the fullest freedom in exercising the rights guaranteed by this subchapter, the unit appropriate for the purposes of collective bargaining shall be the employer unit, craft unit, plant unit, or subdivision thereof * *
Under varying facts and circumstances, it has been often held that a proposal to expand the scope of the bargaining unit itself is not within the area of mandatory bargaining.7
Under the facts of this ease viewed realistically, a common expiration date of all three contracts had a vitally important connection with the “wages, hours, and other terms and conditions of employment” of the employees' at each plant. Without a common expiration date, any union striking for a new contract on a different date might have to “bail with a sieve” while the employer shifted its production activities to the other plant or plants. With a common expiration date, it is obvious that each union might be able to negotiate a more advantageous new contract for the employees represented by that union.
None of the cases applying the provisions of the Act, which limit a union’s representation to one particular unit,8 deal with the situation where the repre[878]*878sentatives of employees in several plant units of the same employer agree on a demand and are concurrently making the same demand in their several negotiations. Nor do any of those cases deal with the situation where the proposal seriously affects the ability of each union to bargain.
In such a situation, as presented by the facts and circumstances of this case, it seems to us that the importance of collective bargaining on questions affecting “wages, hours, and other terms and conditions of employment” overrides the apparent expansion of the scope of the bargaining unit. That expansion is more apparent than real, for the very real, hard problem faced by each of the three unions, acting as the exclusive representative of the employees in its unit, is that a common expiration date for all three contracts vitally affects the ability of each union separately to bargain.
Concededly, there is no legal obstacle to the right of the petitioner-employer to insist adamantly that the three contracts continue to expire on different dates. Correspondingly, we think, there is no valid legal reason why each union, with the consent of the other unions, cannot insist just as adamantly that all three contracts expire on some common date. In our opinion, the Board’s order, as distinguished from its reasoning, is correct. The petition for review is therefore
Denied.