COORS, Justice.
This is an appeal from an order of the District Court of San Juan County sitting in probate in the estate of Walter Lowell Trimble, intestate.
Certain creditors’ claims were filed against the estate, all of which were approved by the administratrix (the widow of decedent) and which amounted to approximately $1,700 for hospital charges, medical service and burial expense and another $500 for personal notes of. the decedent outstanding at his death.
After said claims were filed and approved, the administratrix called for a determination by the court of the question whether the real estate involved in this appeal was subject to their payment. From a ruling the property was community property of the decedent and his widow, and therefore subject to payment of claims against the estate, she appeals.
The background of the controversy is, briefly, as follows: In her original petition for probate of the estate, the administra-trix stated:
“5. That the deceased and petitioner herein, wife of the deceased, owned real property situated in the town of Farmington, New Mexico, of the approximate value of $12,500, subject to incumbrances. * * * ”
Subsequent to the filing of this petition, the administratrix learned the property in question had in fact been deeded to the decedent and herself in joint tenancy. When the inventory of the estate was filed the administratrix and widow made the following statement:
“That the abstract to said property had been deposited with the Equitable Life Insurance Company in connection with a loan on said real property: that the said administratrix was not aware that said property was held in joint tenancy until the said abstract was obtained from said insurance company together with a deed to said property, for which reason your petitioner herein was of the impression that said property belonged entirely to the estate of the said deceased as community property o'f the said Walter Lowell Trimble and your undersigned petitioner as adminis-tratrix.”
Title to the property had been conveyed t>y two deeds which described the grantees as husband and wife and were in the form of joint tenancy, deeds. Their granting clauses were identical, and provided:
“Not as tenants in common, but in joint tenancy, the survivor of them, their assigns, and the heirs and assigns of such survivor.”
It was stipulated that the properties were purchased with community funds. There is no suggestion the deeds were made in an attempt to defeat the rights of creditors.
The four assignments of error argued and presented in appellant’s brief-in-chief are inter-dependent and raise the question whether it was error for the trial court to find the property in question was community property.
The pivotal question under these facts is whether transmutation of community property (i. e., purchase funds) into the common law estate of joint tenancy has^ been effected.
Although it is unnecessary to re-examine at length the historical background of our community property system, it is important to keep in mind certain dominant principles of that system.
In New Mexico, property which is owned by either spouse before marriage, or acquired thereafter by gift, bequest, descent or devise, and the rents, issue and profits thereof, is his or her separate property. Secs. 65-304, 65-305, N.M.S.A.1941 Comp. “All other property acquired after marriage by either husband or wife, or both, is community property * * Sec. 65-401, N.M.S.A.1941 Comp., as amended, Laws 1947, ch. 191, sec. 1. This last named section establishes certain presumptions where the conveyance is to the wife alone, or to her and her husband, to which reference will be made hereafter, but, the mainstay of our community property system is contained in the first sentence of Sec. 65-401 quoted just above.
Another basic principle of community property as stated in de Funiak, Principles of Community Property, Sec. 77, p. 203, is as follows:
“There was no question in the Spanish law, of course, that upon the acquisition or purchase of other property through the use of community property, the property so acquired or purchased was also community property; the same was true of property acquired or purchased by a husband or wife through the use of money of the husband or wife, where such money was earned or gained during the marriage since it constituted community property.”
The same section at a later point, p. 205, continues:
“The rule is also usually correctly followed by, the courts of our community property states • that property acquired during marriage through the use of community property also is community property.”
Superimposed upon these doctrines is the declaration of Sec. 65-206, N.M.S.A.1941 Comp., that “Either husband or wife may enter into any engagement or transaction with the other, or with any other person respecting property, which either might, if unmarried; subject, in transactions between themselves, to the general rules of common law which control the actions of persons occupying confidential relations with each other.”
Growing side by side, and in many instances directly infused in our community property systejn are certain estates of ownership developed by the common law. N.M. S.A.1941 Camp. Sec. 65-302 provides:
“Methods for holding property. — ■■ Husband and-wife may hold property as joint tenants, tenants' in common, or as community property.”
The Circuit Court of Appeals in Hernandez v. Becker, 10 Cir., 1931, 54 F.2d 542, 547, a case involving the property laws of New Mexico and the Federal Estate Tax, declared with regard to joint tenancies:
“A joint tenancy arises where two or more persons have any subject of property jointly in which there is a unity of interest, unity of title, unity of ' time, and unity of possession. 2 Bl. Com. 180. * * *
“The chief incident of such an estate is the right of survivorship by virtue of' which, upon the death of one joint tenant, his interest does not pass to his heirs or representatives, but the entire tenancy remains to the surviving co-tenants, and the last surviving tenant takes the whole; 2 Bl.Com. 183, 184; * * *. The survivor does not take the moiety of the other tenant from him or as his successor, but takes it under and by virtue of the conveyance or instrument by which the joint tenancy was created. * * * ”
There remains only one other legislative pronouncement to guide us in determining the present issue, Sec. 65-101, N.M.S.A. 1941 Comp., so far as pertinent, which provided, before amendment, as follows:
“All other property acquired after marriage by either husband or wife, or both, is community property; ■ but whenever any property is conveyed to a married woman by an instrument in writing- the presumption is that title is .thereby vested in her as her separate property. And if the conveyance be to ■such married woman and to her husband, or to her and any other person, .the presumption is that the married -woman takes the part conveyed to her, .-as tenant in common unless a different ■intention is expressed in the instrument, and the presumption in this sec-lion mentioned, is conclusive in favor ■of a purchaser or encumbrancer in good faith and for valuable consideration. * * * ”
Although this section was amended by Laws 1947, ch. 191, sec. 1, reference is made to the earlier statute because the property in question in this case was acquired before the 1947 amendment.
While the question . of presumptions is not raised specifically by the appellant, we believe consideration of this problem is implicit in the issue presented. California has a statute, Sec. 164, Cal.Civil Code 1941, which for present purposes is substantially identical with our Sec. 65-401, supra. In the case of Siberell v. Siberell, 1932, 214 Cal. 767, 7 P.2d 1003, 1005, the facts raised the question of whether the presumption of a gift to the wife when property was conveyed to her and her husband as tenants in common was paralleled by a similar presumption where the husband and wife took title to the property as joint tenants. In this divorce action the wife claimed to own half of certain property as a joint tenant, and an additional half interest in the remaining half of the property by virtue of her membership in the community. The court ruled there was no presumption of gift in the latter instance. The rationale of this decision is that the estates of joint tenancy and community ownership are incompatible by their very nature, and, further, that the statute on its face excludes any idea of a presumption of gift attaching to a deed in joint tenancy by the phrase “ ‘unless a different intention is expressed in the instrument.’ ”
In August v. Tillian, 1947, 51 N.M. 74, 178 P.2d 590, in construing said sec. 65-401 prior to its amendment, we recognized that a presumption of gift to the wife did exist where property was conveyed to husband and wife as tenants in common, with the result the wife owned one-half a.s her separate property, and owned an. additional quarter interest in the property, by virtue.of the fact the husband’s interest was community property. However, we are in agreement with the California 'court in the Siberell case that no similar presumption exists under sec. 65-401 prior-to amendment where a deed is executed to husband and wife during marriage as joint tenants.
It is the contention of the appellant that although she was at all.times during the life of her husband, and, indeed, eyen until after the commencement of probate proceedings of his estate, ignorant that the deeds to the property in question were deeds in joint tenancy, but was under the impression the property was held by herself and the decedent as community property, that, nevertheless the expression of intention in the deed is alone sufficient to create an estate in joint tenancy. She further contends that upon the death of her husband the entire property became hers by the classic incident of survivorship and that such property is, therefore, not subject to payment of claims against the estate of her husband.
It is necessary, then, to re-examine the mode and manner of transmutation between husband and wife, wherever permissible, of community property into other forms of ownership.
Until recently, it was the view of this court that husband and wife could not transmute community property into separate property, or vice versa, either by oral or written agreement. Newton v. Wilson, 1949, 53 N.M. 480; 211 P.2d 776; McDonald v. Lambert, 1938, 43 N.M. 27, 85 P.2d 78, 120 A.L.R. 250. However, in the recent case of Chavez v. Chavez, 1952, 56 N.M. 393, 244 P.2d 781, 782, we declared:
“Our approval of the transmutation of community funds into property held in joint tenancy by husband and wife is directly contrary to our decisions in McDonald v. Lambert, 43 N.M. 27, 85 P.2d 78, 120 A.L.R. 250, and Newton v. Wilson, 53 N.M. 480, 211 P.2d 776, which cases we now expressly overrule. We adopt the dissenting opinions of Mr. Justice Sadler in each case so far as they state his construction of the statute, Sec. 65-206, N.M.S.A. 1941 Comp., declaring either husband or wife may enter into any engagement or transaction with the other, or with any other person respecting property, which either might, if unmarried; subject, in transactions between themselves, to the general rules of common law which control the actions of persons occupying confidential relations with each other. See Clark, Transmutations In New Mexico Community Property Law, 24 Rocky Mt. L.Rev. 273.
■ “Proof to support such transmutation must be clear, strong and convincing; a mere preponderance of the evidence will not suffice to effect it.
Thus, it is now expressly recognized that, within certain limitations, transmutation of community property between husband and wife is approved. The limitation imposed by the court is contained in the last sentence of the quotation from the Chavez case. To re-phrase the limitation: In New Mexico property acquired by husband and wife during marriage except by gift, devise or descent is deemed to be community prop■erty and any other form of ownership through transmutation must be established .by clear, strong and convincing proof-more than a mere preponderance of evidence.
. In the Chavez case neither spouse was ignorant of the fact the deed was one in joint tenancy, nor were the creditors there -involved opposed to the conversion in manner of ownership. We are then asked to ■extend the ruling in the Chavez case to •cover the present situation where the record •is absolutely silent as to the intention of the "husband, the manager of the community ■estate, and where the wife by her own sworn statement declares she thought the property was held as community property.
It is well to examine the pronouncements -of other states having community property systems on the present question. We have .already referred to the California case of Siberell v. Siberell, supra. Headnote No. 9 of that decision reads as follows:
“Where property was deeded to husband and wife as joint tenants, presumption that wife took half interest in property as separate estate and husband took other half as community prop•erty held not to exist.
“Presumption did not obtain since use of community funds to purchase property and taking of title thereto in -name of spouses as joint tenants was tantamount to binding agreement between them that same shall not thereafter he -held as community property, but instead as j oint tenancy and a j oint tenancy, evidence of which law requires to be on face of conveyance creating it, is of necessity an expression of intention to hold property otherwise than as community property, and equal interest of spouses must therefore be classed as their separate but joint estate in property.”
This headnote is somewhat misleading, however, for the facts of the case disclosed the husband and wife took title to certain lands as joint tenants, the purchase being made with community funds. Then, some years later the husband, in an effort to prevent creditors asserting rights in his property, attempted by deed to convey the entire estate to his wife. Subsequently, in a divorce action, the wife claimed, alternately, either the whole tract, or ownership of one half of it as joint tenant and ownership of another quarter interest in it by virtue of her contention the husband retained half of the property as community property. The court negatived each contention, and upheld the trial court which had ruled the entire property was community property. The court said the second deed, the ■ one attempting to convey the whole property to the wife, was not made with the purpose or intent to alter the community character of the property, and further said:
“It is not disputed that the property was acquired with community funds, and the testimony of the defendant (husband) with reference to the circumstances under which the deed of 1918 (the second deed) was executed is sufficient evidence to support the finding- that the property was community property. This is an additional reason why the division ordered by the trial court may not be disturbed. In any state of the case the court had the power to divide the property equally.”
We therefore feel that at the most the case only stands for the proposition that it is proper to show by extrinsic evidence that a deed in joint tenancy was actually not intended to convert community property into- another form of ownership. The case has been generally cited, however, for the proposition that the presumption of community property is destroyed when it is shown the property was acquired by the spouses under a deed in joint tenancy.
In Tomaier v. Tomaier, 1944, 23 Cal.2d 754, 146 P.2d 905, 907, the court was confronted with a dispute over property in a' divorce action. It declared the general rule to be- that evidence could be admitted to show that property was community property although title was acquired under .a deed which would ordinarily create a common law estate. On the question of joint tenancy as .opposed to community property, the court said:
“It has in fact been held unequivocally that evidence is admissible to show that husband and wife who took property as joint tenants actually intended it to be community property, ('Citing cases.) Such rulings are designed to prevent the use of common law forms of conveyance to alter the community character of real property contrary to the intention of the parties.
“ * * * If-the evidence establishes that the property is held as community property, however, it cannot also be held in joint tenancy, for certain incidents of the latter would be inconsistent with incidents of community property.”
A recent California Court of Appeals decision, King v. King, 1951, 107 Cal.App. 2d 257, 236 P.2d 912, declares the rule that where a deed is presented in joint tenancy the form of the conveyance is such as to destroy the statutory presumption that the property is community and that such deed creates a joint tenancy in which the interests of husband and wife are separate property. The decision bases its holding on the Siberell case and Tomaier v. Tomaier, supra, and several Court of Appeals decisions in California. 'Certainly the decision in this case carries what was said in the two earlier Supreme Court of California opinions somewhat further. The facts of the King case were the husband and wife purchased a home at a price of $27,000; $21,000 was paid in cash from a joint safe deposit box. This was money earned by the husband. The $6,000 balance was borrowed from a bank and secured by deed of trust. A few months later the husband borrowed $5,000 from his sister, giving her his personal note for that amount, with which money he extinguished the lien of the bank on the house. He died and his sister brought action on the personal note for $5,000 against the estate, and the trial court ruled the home was the separate property of the wife and not subject to the claim of the sister for the $5,000. On appeal the holding was affirmed. It is well to note.the court made mention of the fact the deed to the property in joint tenancy had already been executed when the husband borrowed the money from the sister.
An examination of the cases relied on in the King case, other decisions from the California Courts of Appeal, discloses the further entrenchment of the rule that the production of a deed to husband and wife in joint tenancy destroys a presumption the property is taken as community property, and, standing alone, such a deed establishes a prima facie case the property was intended to be held in joint tenancy. Significantly, all of the cases from the California Courts of Appeal cited in the King case in turn cite, and rely upon the Siberell case. While we do not deem it necessary to de-' tail here the holdings of each of these cases, it is well to note two of them.
In Cummins v. Cummins, 1935, 7 Cal.App.2d 294, 46 P.2d 284, 289, it was held a conveyance to husband and wife as joint tenants does not necessarily preclude their holding the estate so conveyed as community property. The parties owned two houses and lots in Hollywood, California, and $8,000 in a bank account in the husband’s name. The property was acquired after marriage and the Hollywood property was taken by joint tenancy deed. To the contention of the husband that one-half of the property was his separate estate, the court said:
“Moreover, a conveyance of property to a husband and wife as joint tenants does not necessarily, and under all circumstances, preclude the idea of their holding the same as community property. The case of Siberell v. Siberell, supra, relied upon by appellant, was decided solely upon evidence that the property had been purchased with community funds and was deeded to the parties as joint tenants. There was no evidence' other than this, to indicate the intention of the grantees. In Delanoy v. Delanoy, 216 Cal. 23, 13 P.2d 513, 514, the court, referring to.the Siberell Case, said: ‘This court has recently determined that, in the absence of any evidence of an intent to the contrary, when property is purchased with community funds and.the title is taken, in the name of the hus--band and wife as joint tenants, the community interest must be deemed severed by consent, and the interest of each spouse therein is separate property.’ (Italics ours.) In both the Siberell and Delanoy Cases the contest was between one spouse and a third party. Aside from the joint tenancy deed and the evidence of purchase from community funds, there was no evidence in those cases to show intention of the parties as to the status of the property. Here we have the testimony of both the husband and wife. The wife testified that it was community property * * *. Appellant testified that it was community property * *. In the presence of such undisputed evidence .of both owners, there can be no question of their intention to hold the property as community property regardless of the terms of the joint tenancy deed.”
For similar holding see Rogers v. Rogers, 1948, 86 Cal.App.2d 817, 861, 195 P.2d 890, and for other cases recognizing the rule that a deed in joint tenancy destroys the presumption it is held as community property, see Application of Rauer’s Collection Co., 1948, 87 Cal.App.2d 248, 196 P.2d 803, and Cox v. Cox, 1947, 82 Cal.App.2d 867, 187 P.2d 23, 25. In the last of these cases, an estate in joint tenancy as opposed to the husband’s contention it was separate property was recognized, and we quote from the opinion the following sentence:
“ * * * It is undoubtedly the law that, regardless of the character of the deed taken by either or both spouses to property, that is, regardless of whether the deed shows it to be separate, community, tenancy in common or joint tenancy, the true intention of the parties may be shown by parol, and such evidence may controvert the apparent effect of the character of ownership' provided for in the instrument of transfer.”
Before concluding our discussion of the California rule, we must pay note to another line of cases exemplified by Hulse v. Lawson, 1931, 212 Cal. 614, 299 P. 525, and. Nichols v. Mitchell, 1938, 32 Cal.2d 598, 197 P.2d 550, where determinations of the trial courts were affirmed, holding in the Hulse case that an estate in community property existed although the deed was one in joint tenancy; the holding being based primarily, it seems, on the fact the consideration for the deed was community property. In the Nichols case, the Court recognized property as community property although it was deeded to the wife alone and again, the proof was that community funds were used for the purchase of the property. Significantly, in both of these cases attempts were made to defeat the rights of creditors.
Turning next to the expressions of the court of Arizona, the following language from Baldwin v. Baldwin, 1937, 50 Ariz. 265, 71 P.2d 791, 795, is most pertinent:
“ * * * As between husband and wife a joint tenancy is an exception to the community property rule of this state and in derogation of the general policy of that system of holding property, and this being true a clause in a deed creating a joint tenancy between them should be effective only where it clearly appears that both spouses have agreed that the property should be taken in that way. A deed is generally signed by the grantor only, hence, before a joint tenancy clause may be held binding on the grantees and the community property law thereby defeated, we think it necessary not merely that the deed, contain language creating such an estate but that it further appear that the deed was accepted by the spouse whose property it is sought to bring within its terms, knowing that it contained that provision. If the deed itself contains nothing showing this fact, such, for instance, as an acceptance, of the terms thereof in the handwriting of the grantees, or an endorsement by the recorder that it was placed of record at the request of the deceased spouse, it might be established by any proper extrinsic evidence.
“It must be kept in mind in this connection that community property is frequently managed by one of the spouses and that it may easily happen that property is purchased by that spouse with community funds and a deed thereto containing language creating an estate in joint tenancy delivered to and accepted by him or her without any knowledge of such provision on the part of the other spouse. To hold, under these circumstances, that the mere insertion in the deed of such language would be binding on that spouse and deprive him or her or their heirs of his or her interest in the property would not only defeat the community property law in that instance but result in an absoulte injustice to an innocent party. Therefore, in view of the possibility of such a result, we think that the party who relies on a joint’ tenancy clause in a- deed should bear the burden of showing that the spouse whose property he claims is governed thereby knew that the deed so provided.”
Subsequent to the Baldwin case, the Arizona court has had two instances before it which were governed by the rule stated above. In Henderson v. Henderson, 1942, 58 Ariz. 514, 121 P.2d 437, 438, the parties, husband and wife in a divorce action, had acquired realty which was conveyed to them as follows: “not as tenants in common and not as a community property estate but as joint tenants with right of survivorship”. The deed also contained the following statement, signed by both grantees: “The above deed is accepted and approved by the Grantees ; it being the intention of the Grantees to acquire these premises as joint tenants with right of survivorship, and not as community property or as tenants in common.” In commenting on these statements the court said:
“ * * * And in view of the statement in the deed to the plaintiff and defendant, it is difficult to see how an intention to take as joint tenants, could have been more clearly expressed or how either party could have failed to realize they were acquiring the property as joint tenants and not as community property. In fact the specific statement that the property was not conveyed to them as community property appears twice in the deed, one of these being signed by both grantees, * * *»
Again, in Collier v. Collier, 1952, 73 Ariz. 405, 242 P.2d 537, 540, the court approved a conveyance where property was deeded to both parties in joint tenancy by an instrument reciting the conveyance was to: “C. W. Collier and Zelpha Banta Collier, his wife as joint tenants Grantees, not as tenants in common and not as a community property estate, but as joint tenants with right of survivorship.” The deed, in addition to being signed by the grantor, was endorsed as (follows by .the grantees: “The above deed is accepted and approved by the Grantees; it being their intention to acquire said premises as joint tenants with the right of survivorship, and not as community property or as tenants in common.” In passing on this conveyance, the court said:
“In the instant case, the deed created an estate in joint tenancy and was knowingly and intentionally accepted as such by the grantees. This set of facts was conclusive upon the trial court and justified the finding that the real estate was held in joint tenancy. iff J¡í
In Nevada no cases have been found where the husband and wife took title to property as joint tenants; however, Nevada has statutes which parallel our statutes, Secs. 65-206, 65-302 and the first sentence of Sec. 65-401, N.M.S.A.1941 Comp. There is in Nevada no statutory presumption where title is taken in the wife’s name, or in the name of the husband and wife as tenants in common. Nevada has held repeatedly that to support transmutation of community property into separate property the burden of proving the transmutation is upon the party asserting it is separate property, and the proof of such transmutation must be clear, certain and convincing. See Petition of Fuller, 1945, 63 Nev. 26, 159 P.2d 579; In re Wilson’s Estate, 1936, 56 Nev. 353, 53 P.2d 339; Stockgrowers & Rancher’s Bank of Reno v. Milisich, 1930, 52 Nev. 178, 283 P. 913; Milisich v. Hillhouse, 1924, 48 Nev. 166, 228 P. 307; Laws v. Ross, 1921, 44 Nev. 405, 194 P. 465, 467. In the last cited case the court said:
“ * * * We believe that no other safe rule can be laid down than that property or money once a part of the community will be presumed to remain such until shown by clear, certain, and convincing proof, to have been transmuted into separate property as against creditors. * * * ”
We have not attempted to discover every case touching upon the problem presented here, nor have we tried to reconcile those studied. Yet, we believe enough decisions have been digested to- warrant the drawing of certain conclusions.
In California, the courts have repeatedly declared that the presumption of community property ownership is destroyed by the production of a deed in joint tenancy, and that such a deed, of itself, constitutes a prima facie case that the intent of the parties was to take as joint tenants — at least, this is the rule in the absence of any evidence of an intent to the contrary, and where no attempt has been made to defeat the interests and claims of creditors by such a conveyance.
The Arizona Court does not go so far as to say a prima facie case is made out of intent to take as joint tenants by the deed alone, nor is the presumption of community property destroyed in the face of such, a deed. In that state the intent of the parties must be made clearly to appear before the community nature of the ownership may'be defeated.
Nevada requires clear, certain and convincing proof to rebut the presumption property acquired after marriage is community property.
Stripping aside the technicalities of evi-dentiary force, the root spirit of all of these decisions is intent, and rightly so. Ultimately, if the dual estates of the common and the civil law can exist together compatibly, the amalgam must be the true intention of the parties. To preserve the virility of our indigenous form of marital ownership we have declared in the Chavez case that proof to support such transmutation must be [56 N.M. 393, 244 P.2d 783] “clear, strong and convincing”, and more than a “mere preponderance of the evidence”. We have no desire to retreat from this declaration.
To uphold the appellant in her contention we would have to rule that the deed, made out on a form for joint tenancy was alone such “clear, strong and convincing”' proof, and further say that even where one spouse was totally ignorant of the fact the deed was in such form, but believed the property was held as community property, that, nevertheless, the proof of the intention •of husband and wife to so convert the community property into an estate in joint-tenancy had been established by more than a “mere preponderance of the evidence”. This we cannot do.
The above was written before receiving Chief Justice Sadler’s dissenting opinion and the following is added to our opinion to clear up some statements and conclusions found in such dissent which we believe are confusing and erroneous.
The dissent seems to overlook the all important factor in transmutation of property by married persons which is that there must be an intention of the persons to make the transmutation and that such intention must be proved by evidence, or supported by a presumption which is not •overcome by evidence to the contrary. We hold the evidence to prove the intention must be clear, strong and convincing as do the Supreme Courts of Arizona and Nevada. The dissent claims to have discovered .some statutory presumption in favor of the wife where property is conveyed to husband and wife as joint tenants with right of survivorship and that such presumption may be found in Sec. 65 — 401 or Sec. 65-302, New Mexico Statutes 1941 Annotated.
After careful study of these two statutes •we are unable to find any presumption whatever in favor of the wife where property is conveyed to husband and wife as joint tenants. Sec. 65-401 provides that when a written instrument conveys property to a married woman she takes title as her separate property and when property is conveyed to her and her husband or to her and another person she takes as a tenant in common unless a different intention is expressed in the instrument. There are no other presumptions in this statute except those with reference to purchasers in good faith for valuable consideration, and no such purchaser is involved in this case. How the author of the dissenting opinion can find any presumption in this section, relating to conveyances in joint tenancy to husband and wife is beyond our comprehension.
The California statute Sec. 164 of the Civil Code is identical with our statute Sec. 65-401. We cited the California case of Siberell v. Siberell, supra, to show that even in California, where the courts have gone beyond the courts of all other community property states in allowing transmutation of property, it denied in a divorce case filed by the wife that there were any statutory presumptions in her favor because all property acquired during marriage had been conveyed to her and her husband by deeds in joint tenancy, and denied that any presumptions found in Sec. 164 of the California Civil Code, same as our 65-401, applied where deeds purported to create joint tenancy. The Supreme Court upheld lower court’s decision that under evidence even though deeds conveyed to them as joint tenants, they nevertheless held as a community.
We have cited and discussed many California cases, not because we approve of all such opinions, but to show the confusion brought about by their extremely liberal course in allowing and recognizing transmutation on any evidence' that might be called substantial, that is a mere preponderance. Texas, on the other extreme allows no transmutation, which course we followed until nine months ago when, by a unanimous opinion in Chavez v. Chavez, we overruled our former decisions on the subject. This decision, as well as that in Chavez v. Chavez, supra, goes neither to the extreme of Texas nor California but, we believe, follows a reasonable middle course as our own law provides and which will avoid endless confusion as to the status and title of property of married persons.
The dissent quotes from the opinion in Stafford v. Martioni, 192 Cal. 724, 221 P. 919. No conveyance in joint tenancy to husband and wife was there involved. The conveyance there was to the wife alone in her own name and the court was discussing merely whether or not under such a deed the presumption in favor of the wife found in Sec. 164 of the Cal.Civil Code, the same as 65-401, N.M.S.A.1941, was overcome by the evidence. That decision in no way discusses or passes upon the question of transmutation of property from community to joint tenancy as is involved in our case.
It is difficult to see the reason for the dissenting opinion to quote three paragraphs from the opinion of the Supreme Court of California in Siberell v. Siberell, supra, when that decision is absolutely contrary to the conclusions and statements found in the dissenting opinion. The first paragraph quoted by the dissent cites California cases relied upon by the losing party, the wife in that case. Such cited cases, however, involve deeds made to husband and wife which, under the statutory presumption in Sec. 164 of California Civil Code, created the presumption that husband and wife took as tenants in common where not otherwise expressed in the conveyance but the Siberell case involved a deed to husband and wife as joint tenants and the court therefore said: “But we can see no reason whatsoever to indulge this presumption here.” [214 Cal. 767, 7 P.2d 1005]
Perhaps the clearest way to dispel the confusion found in the dissent relating 'to two statutes of Arizona dealing with the right of survivorship and joint tenancy is to quote such statutes in full. The first such statute passed is Sec. 39-110 of 1939 Arizona Annotated Code, and reads as follows :
“Where two (2) or more persons hold property jointly and one (1) joint owner dies before severance, and the grant or devise does not expressly vest the estate in the survivor, the interest in the estate of the owner dying shall not survive to the remaining joint owners but shall descend to the heirs of the deceased joint owner as though his interest had been severed and ascertained.”
A few years later the second statute in Arizona was enacted. It is Sec. 71-122, 1939 Arizona Code, and provides as follows:
“All grants and devises of real property made to two (2) or more persons create estates in common and not in joint tenancy, except grants or devises in trust or to executors or to husband and wife. A grant or devise to two (2) or more persons may, however, by express words, vest the estate in the survivor Upon the death of a grantee or devisee.”
Any clear, understandable reading of these statutes fails to reveal that as between husband and wife they prohibit, curtail or set up a presumption against taking and holding property in joint tenancy with right of survivorship. These statutes were both in effect when the decisions of the Supreme Court of Arizona hereinabove cited were rendered and such decisions all recognize the right of the husband and wife to take and hold property as joint tenants but also hold that the party claiming a transmutation from community property to joint tenancy must clearly prove the intent of the members of the community to make such transmutation.
Likewise does the Nevada Statute Sec. 3362, Nevada Comp.Laws 1929, authorize husband and wife to hold as joint tenants; also does the statute of California from which our Sec. 65-401 was copied.
The citation of August v. Tillian, 51 N.M. 74, 178 P.2d 590, in the dissent gives it no support. Our decision in that case was founded upon the presumption created in Sec. 65-401 with reference to husband and wife holding as tenants in common and it followed the rule announced in several California cases involving the same statute and tenancy in common. Even the California courts have refused to follow any such rule where a joint tenancy was involved.
We recognize fully the statutory presumptions in favor of a wife found in Sec. 65-401, N.M.S.A.1941, and that such presumptions control until overcome by competent evidence but we refuse to create and insert in such Section other presumptions which we fail to find in the law as passed by the Legislature, or which we fail to find in existence anywhere except in the minority opinion.
It is apparent that the dissent attempts to totally ' ignore and eliminate the first phrase of said Sec. 65-401, which is the very foundation of our community property system and is taken from the civil law of Spain and Mexico. After statutory definitions of what constitutes the separate property of the husband and the separate property of the wife said Sec. 65-401 provides : “All other property acquired after marriage by either husband or wife, or both, is community property;” This general rule of law declared by the Legislature cannot be ignored in passing upon questions involving the status of property held by married persons.
We deny any responsibility for the failure of the author of the dissenting opinion to distinguish between “proof beyond a reasonable doubt” which is required' in criminal cases, and “proof that is clear, strong and convincing” which is required in several types of civil cases.
We have followed the decisions of Arizona and Nevada but not even the Courts of California have gone to the extreme advocated in the dissenting opinion.
A careful study of the minority opinion will disclose that not one authority is cited to support the conclusion reached therein.
Accordingly, the judgment of the lower court is affirmed.
It is so ordered.
McGHEE, COMPTON and LUJAN, JJ.,. concur.