DUNCAN, J.
In this criminal case, defendant appeals the trial court’s judgment, which, inter alia, requires him to pay $400 in attorney fees. Relying on ORS 151.505 and ORS 161.665, which provide that a court may not require a defendant to pay attorney fees unless the defendant “is or may be able to pay” the fees, defendant argues that the trial court’s requirement that he pay the fees is not supported by the record. For the reasons explained below, we agree and, therefore, reverse the attorney fee award and otherwise affirm.
The relevant facts are undisputed. Defendant was charged with two counts of failure to appear in the second degree, ORS 162.195.1 He completed an “Affidavit of Eligibility and Request for Court-Appointed Counsel.” Based on that affidavit and request, the trial court appointed an attorney to represent defendant. Defendant subsequently pleaded guilty to the two failure-to-appear counts. In defendant’s written plea petition, defendant stated that he was taking medications, specifically: Haldol, Cogentin, Phenobarbital, and Xanax. At the plea and sentencing hearing, defendant’s attorney asked the court not to require defendant to pay attorney fees, stating:
“And regarding fees, [defendant] doesn’t have — he doesn’t have any money. He’s unable to pay, he doesn’t work. He’s unable to pay court-appointed attorney’s fees. We’d ask that the court not impose them under ORS 151.505(4) because he is unable to pay.”
The trial court did not address defendant’s ability to pay attorney fees. It sentenced defendant to 60 days in jail and ordered him to pay “a $67 unitary assessment, $400 attorney fees, [and a] $35 surcharge.”
On appeal, defendant argues that the trial court lacked the authority to order him to pay the attorney fees because there was no evidence that he was or would be able to pay them.2
[632]*632Two statutes govern a court’s authority to order a defendant to pay attorney fees: ORS 151.505 3 and ORS 161.665.4 Both statutes provide that a court may not order a defendant to pay the fees unless the defendant “is or may be able” to pay them. Accordingly, the Supreme Court has held that, under ORS 151.505, “[o]nly a person who presently is able, or who may be able in the future, to pay [633]*633costs may be ordered to do so.” Bacote v. Johnson, 333 Or 28, 33, 35 P3d 1019 (2001). Similarly, we have held that, under ORS 161.665, a court “lacks authority” to require a defendant to pay attorney fees “unless it has determined that the defendant ‘is or may be able to pay them.’” State v. Kanuch, 231 Or App 20, 24, 217 P3d 1082 (2009) (quoting ORS 161.665(4)). In addition, we have held that a court’s determination that a defendant is or may be able to pay fees must be supported by the record. Id.
Kanuch is illustrative. In Kanuch, the defendant pleaded guilty to aggravated murder with a firearm, and he stipulated to a sentence of life imprisonment with a 30-year minimum. At sentencing, the defendant’s attorney told the court that the defendant was indigent and had no ability to pay attorney fees while in prison or after his release. Nevertheless, the court ordered the defendant to pay $15,000 in attorney fees, stating that “at this time I have no information before me as to any other potential assets the defendant might have, so the Court is going to impose the repayment of court appointed attorney fees.” Id. at 22. The defendant appealed, and we held that the trial court erred by ordering the defendant to pay the attorney fees. Id. at 25. We explained that, because “the record sa[id] nothing about whether [the] defendant is or may be able to pay the attorney fees that the trial court ordered him to pay,” “[i]t necessarily follow[ed] that the court was not permitted to order him to pay those fees.” Id. at 24.
In so holding, we expressly rejected the state’s argument that we should affirm the trial court’s imposition of the attorney fees because the defendant had not proved that he was unable to pay them. We explained:
“The state insists that, in spite of its concession that ‘the record does not reflect what defendant’s financial resources might have been at the time of trial,’ that is somehow defendant’s problem. According to the state, ‘[d]efendant had the opportunity to make a record’ on the issue, but failed to do so.
“The statute, however, unambiguously provides that the trial court cannot impose an obligation to pay attorney fees unless the record demonstrates that the defendant ‘is or may [634]*634be able to pay them.’ It does not provide that the court may impose the obligation to pay such fees unless a defendant demonstrates that he or she cannot pay them. Moreover, as a general rule, it is the proponent of a fact or position who bears the burden of persuasion and the obligation to make a record. See, e.g., State v. T.M., 229 Or App 325, 331, 211 P3d 359 (2009) (‘Ordinarily, the party seeking relief bears the burden of proving all facts necessary to obtain that relief.’). In this case, it certainly was not defendant who was asking the court to enter an order requiring him to pay his attorney fees.”
231 Or App at 24 (brackets in Kanuch). Thus, a court cannot impose attorney fees based on a record that is silent regarding the defendant’s ability to pay those fees. There must be some information from which the court can find the statutorily required factual predicate to imposition of the fees: that the defendant “is or may be able to pay” them. ORS 151.505(3); ORS 161.665(4); see also Bacote, 333 Or at 34 (reversing the trial court’s imposition of $975 in attorney fees on the ground that the record did not establish that the circuit court complied with the statutory requirement that it determine the petitioner’s ability to pay the fees). A court cannot impose fees based on pure speculation that a defendant has funds to pay the fees or may acquire them in the future. Kanuch, 231 Or App at 24. That is logical, given that ORS 151.505(3) and ORS 161.665
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DUNCAN, J.
In this criminal case, defendant appeals the trial court’s judgment, which, inter alia, requires him to pay $400 in attorney fees. Relying on ORS 151.505 and ORS 161.665, which provide that a court may not require a defendant to pay attorney fees unless the defendant “is or may be able to pay” the fees, defendant argues that the trial court’s requirement that he pay the fees is not supported by the record. For the reasons explained below, we agree and, therefore, reverse the attorney fee award and otherwise affirm.
The relevant facts are undisputed. Defendant was charged with two counts of failure to appear in the second degree, ORS 162.195.1 He completed an “Affidavit of Eligibility and Request for Court-Appointed Counsel.” Based on that affidavit and request, the trial court appointed an attorney to represent defendant. Defendant subsequently pleaded guilty to the two failure-to-appear counts. In defendant’s written plea petition, defendant stated that he was taking medications, specifically: Haldol, Cogentin, Phenobarbital, and Xanax. At the plea and sentencing hearing, defendant’s attorney asked the court not to require defendant to pay attorney fees, stating:
“And regarding fees, [defendant] doesn’t have — he doesn’t have any money. He’s unable to pay, he doesn’t work. He’s unable to pay court-appointed attorney’s fees. We’d ask that the court not impose them under ORS 151.505(4) because he is unable to pay.”
The trial court did not address defendant’s ability to pay attorney fees. It sentenced defendant to 60 days in jail and ordered him to pay “a $67 unitary assessment, $400 attorney fees, [and a] $35 surcharge.”
On appeal, defendant argues that the trial court lacked the authority to order him to pay the attorney fees because there was no evidence that he was or would be able to pay them.2
[632]*632Two statutes govern a court’s authority to order a defendant to pay attorney fees: ORS 151.505 3 and ORS 161.665.4 Both statutes provide that a court may not order a defendant to pay the fees unless the defendant “is or may be able” to pay them. Accordingly, the Supreme Court has held that, under ORS 151.505, “[o]nly a person who presently is able, or who may be able in the future, to pay [633]*633costs may be ordered to do so.” Bacote v. Johnson, 333 Or 28, 33, 35 P3d 1019 (2001). Similarly, we have held that, under ORS 161.665, a court “lacks authority” to require a defendant to pay attorney fees “unless it has determined that the defendant ‘is or may be able to pay them.’” State v. Kanuch, 231 Or App 20, 24, 217 P3d 1082 (2009) (quoting ORS 161.665(4)). In addition, we have held that a court’s determination that a defendant is or may be able to pay fees must be supported by the record. Id.
Kanuch is illustrative. In Kanuch, the defendant pleaded guilty to aggravated murder with a firearm, and he stipulated to a sentence of life imprisonment with a 30-year minimum. At sentencing, the defendant’s attorney told the court that the defendant was indigent and had no ability to pay attorney fees while in prison or after his release. Nevertheless, the court ordered the defendant to pay $15,000 in attorney fees, stating that “at this time I have no information before me as to any other potential assets the defendant might have, so the Court is going to impose the repayment of court appointed attorney fees.” Id. at 22. The defendant appealed, and we held that the trial court erred by ordering the defendant to pay the attorney fees. Id. at 25. We explained that, because “the record sa[id] nothing about whether [the] defendant is or may be able to pay the attorney fees that the trial court ordered him to pay,” “[i]t necessarily follow[ed] that the court was not permitted to order him to pay those fees.” Id. at 24.
In so holding, we expressly rejected the state’s argument that we should affirm the trial court’s imposition of the attorney fees because the defendant had not proved that he was unable to pay them. We explained:
“The state insists that, in spite of its concession that ‘the record does not reflect what defendant’s financial resources might have been at the time of trial,’ that is somehow defendant’s problem. According to the state, ‘[d]efendant had the opportunity to make a record’ on the issue, but failed to do so.
“The statute, however, unambiguously provides that the trial court cannot impose an obligation to pay attorney fees unless the record demonstrates that the defendant ‘is or may [634]*634be able to pay them.’ It does not provide that the court may impose the obligation to pay such fees unless a defendant demonstrates that he or she cannot pay them. Moreover, as a general rule, it is the proponent of a fact or position who bears the burden of persuasion and the obligation to make a record. See, e.g., State v. T.M., 229 Or App 325, 331, 211 P3d 359 (2009) (‘Ordinarily, the party seeking relief bears the burden of proving all facts necessary to obtain that relief.’). In this case, it certainly was not defendant who was asking the court to enter an order requiring him to pay his attorney fees.”
231 Or App at 24 (brackets in Kanuch). Thus, a court cannot impose attorney fees based on a record that is silent regarding the defendant’s ability to pay those fees. There must be some information from which the court can find the statutorily required factual predicate to imposition of the fees: that the defendant “is or may be able to pay” them. ORS 151.505(3); ORS 161.665(4); see also Bacote, 333 Or at 34 (reversing the trial court’s imposition of $975 in attorney fees on the ground that the record did not establish that the circuit court complied with the statutory requirement that it determine the petitioner’s ability to pay the fees). A court cannot impose fees based on pure speculation that a defendant has funds to pay the fees or may acquire them in the future. Kanuch, 231 Or App at 24. That is logical, given that ORS 151.505(3) and ORS 161.665(4) provide that, “[i]n determining the amount and method of payment of costs, the court shall take account of the financial resources of the [defendant] and the nature of the burden that payment of costs will impose.” A court cannot perform that task if it has no information regarding the defendant’s existing or potential financial resources. See also State v. Normile, 52 Or App 33, 627 P2d 506 (1981) (so holding with respect to an earlier version of ORS 161.665).5
[635]*635In this case, as in Kanuch, defendant’s attorney informed the trial court that defendant was unable to pay attorney fees. He told the court that defendant — who had medical problems, as evidenced by the medications he was taking — did not work and had no money. The state did not present any information to the contrary, nor is there any in the record. Therefore, as in Kanuch, the trial court erred in imposing the fees.
The state argues that this case differs from Kanuch because, in Kanuch, the trial court imposed a lengthy prison term and a large attorney fee. That is true, but the point of Kanuch is that a court cannot impose attorney fees on a record that “says nothing about whether [a] defendant is or may be able to pay” the fees. 231 Or App at 24. Whether a defendant is or may be able to pay fees depends on the defendant’s particular circumstances, and the record in this case says nothing about defendant’s particular circumstances from which the trial court could find, as required, that defendant “is or may be able” to pay the 6
Attorney fee award reversed; otherwise affirmed.