Dooley, J.
The defendant was convicted of simple assault following a trial by jury. Both at arraignment and throughout the trial he represented himself. He appeals his conviction, presenting the issue whether he made a knowing and intelligent waiver of his right to counsel. The record below is insufficient to determine whether the waiver was knowing and intelligent. Accordingly, the judgment is stricken and the case remanded for the trial court to consider such post-trial motions as would allow the trial court in the first instance to determine whether the waiver was knowing and intelligent.
The trial judge had two discussions with the defendant about representation. The first took place at arraignment. The trial judge first asked defendant if he wanted to “talk to the public defender or hire an attorney.” Defendant replied that he did not. He was then asked whether he wanted to represent himself, to which he answered, “Yes, that’s correct.” After dealing with whether the defendant had heard his rights read, and reviewing a copy of the information and affidavit, and his plea of not guilty, the judge advised him in several interchanges that he might do better to have the advice of an attorney. First, the judge suggested, “[I]f I were you, I would consult with counsel. And I’d be happy to give you some time to talk to Mr. Rubin here or if you’d like to hire counsel you’ll be given an opportunity to do that.” The judge also said, “And before you talk to a police officer or the State it would be probably a good idea to talk to an attorney about it [be]cause it is a serious offense.”
After defendant attempted to begin discussion of his self-defense defense, the trial judge asked him not to “get into that now,” saying:
Because whatever you say now can be used against you later. But if you have questions about that and whether you [424]*424do have a defense and whether the charges are — are valid or not, you should talk to a lawyer about that. And Mr. Rubin is here today if you want to talk to him [about] it?
Defendant stated, “No, I feel I’m — I’m old enough to represent myself,” to which the judge responded, “I see you are old enough. But I would suggest to you, sir, that an attorney might have some knowledge that you might not about what a valid defense would be or wouldn’t be,” and asked him what he would like to do at that point. He persisted both in his plea of not guilty and, in response to the judge’s question “Are you going to hire an attorney” said, “No, I’ll be pro se.” The judge inquired, “You’ll be representing yourself?” and defendant responded, “That’s correct.” He was given the waiver form to sign, and the rest of the arraignment formalities were completed.
The second discussion between defendant and the judge about defendant’s representation took place at trial. During defendant’s opening statement, he said, “This is kind of hard for me, you know, I don’t have a lawyer. I can’t afford to have one, so I have to do this myself.” The trial judge called defendant and the prosecuting attorney to the bench, and told defendant:
Mr. Merrill, when you were arraigned ... I explained to you that you had or might have a right to have a public defender. At that time, you chose not to apply for one. Now do you, at this point, want a public defender, because if you can’t afford a lawyer, I will assign one to you?
After continued inquiry yielded Mr. Merrill’s statement that he did not want to “tie up the Court,” the trial judge said:
It’s not a question of tying up the Court, Mr. Merrill. Your statement to the jury was inappropriate. Now I’m not going to say anything because I’m afraid at this point it might prejudice your case, but I’m quite upset about the statement to . . . the jury because it is inappropriate. You have a right that was explained to you, and I’m perfectly willing to let you exercise that right if you’d like to apply for a public defender, even to the point of continuing today’s proceeding, if that’s what you want. Now is it?
Defendant answered, “No,” and reaffirmed that he was proceeding pro se and waiving his right to counsel.
This case presents the state of tension between two constitutional rights: the right to counsel, Gideon v. Wainwright, 372 [425]*425U.S. 335, 344 (1963); State v. Hartman, 134 Vt. 64, 65, 349 A.2d 223, 225 (1975), and the right to proceed without counsel, Faretta v. California, 422 U.S. 806 (1975); State v. O’Connell, 147 Vt. 60, 64, 510 A.2d 167,169 (1986). The waiver of the one right may amount to the assertion of the other, putting the trial court in what one court has called the “new, and unenviable, position” of having to choose between providing counsel if defendant’s attempted waiver of his constitutional right to counsel is inadequate, and granting a defendant’s request for self-representation if that choice is made “competently and intelligently.” United States v. Bailey, 675 F.2d 1292,1300 (D.C. Cir. 1982).
Neither a defendant’s waiver of his right to counsel nor his assertion of his right to proceed pro se may be presumed from a silent record. While it is abundantly clear from the record in this case that defendant was repeatedly offered counsel, and that he expressed his intent to proceed pro se,1 the nature of his understanding of the risks involved, and therefore whether the decision was made competently and intelligently, is less apparent from the record.
In order to protect both competing constitutional rights, the better practice is for the trial court first to conduct sufficient inquiry into the defendant’s experience, motives, and understanding of what he is undertaking to determine the quality of his purported waiver, State v. Hartman, 134 Vt. at 66, 349 A.2d at 225, arid then to provide a clear explanation of the adverse consequences of pro se representation. State v. Ahearn, 137 Vt. 253, 262, 403 A.2d 696, 702 (1979). This discussion should appear on the record so that a reviewing court may determine that the defendant knowingly accepted the risk. State v. O’Connell, 147 Vt. at 65, 510 A.2d at 170. A defendant may need to be advised of the available options to protect his rights to counsel, the full nature of the charges against him, the range of allowable punishment, and the consequences of proceeding [426]*426without the aid of an attorney. State v. Quintin, 143 Vt. 40, 44, 460 A.2d 458, 460-61 (1983); State v. Ahearn, 137 Vt. at 262, 403 A.2d at 702; State v. Hartman, 134 Vt. at 66, 349 A.2d at 225.
We are unwilling to accept, as defendant argues and the concurring opinion endorses, that all information for our review must necessarily appear in the original trial court record in every case. In a relatively close case, specific circumstances, such as a defendant’s past experience in representing himself, or pretrial attempts to obtain or to fire counsel, or even his conduct at trial, may reveal that in-depth inquiry or extensive advice is not necessary in that particular case to protect the constitutional rights of the unrepresented defendant. See State v. O’Connell,
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Dooley, J.
The defendant was convicted of simple assault following a trial by jury. Both at arraignment and throughout the trial he represented himself. He appeals his conviction, presenting the issue whether he made a knowing and intelligent waiver of his right to counsel. The record below is insufficient to determine whether the waiver was knowing and intelligent. Accordingly, the judgment is stricken and the case remanded for the trial court to consider such post-trial motions as would allow the trial court in the first instance to determine whether the waiver was knowing and intelligent.
The trial judge had two discussions with the defendant about representation. The first took place at arraignment. The trial judge first asked defendant if he wanted to “talk to the public defender or hire an attorney.” Defendant replied that he did not. He was then asked whether he wanted to represent himself, to which he answered, “Yes, that’s correct.” After dealing with whether the defendant had heard his rights read, and reviewing a copy of the information and affidavit, and his plea of not guilty, the judge advised him in several interchanges that he might do better to have the advice of an attorney. First, the judge suggested, “[I]f I were you, I would consult with counsel. And I’d be happy to give you some time to talk to Mr. Rubin here or if you’d like to hire counsel you’ll be given an opportunity to do that.” The judge also said, “And before you talk to a police officer or the State it would be probably a good idea to talk to an attorney about it [be]cause it is a serious offense.”
After defendant attempted to begin discussion of his self-defense defense, the trial judge asked him not to “get into that now,” saying:
Because whatever you say now can be used against you later. But if you have questions about that and whether you [424]*424do have a defense and whether the charges are — are valid or not, you should talk to a lawyer about that. And Mr. Rubin is here today if you want to talk to him [about] it?
Defendant stated, “No, I feel I’m — I’m old enough to represent myself,” to which the judge responded, “I see you are old enough. But I would suggest to you, sir, that an attorney might have some knowledge that you might not about what a valid defense would be or wouldn’t be,” and asked him what he would like to do at that point. He persisted both in his plea of not guilty and, in response to the judge’s question “Are you going to hire an attorney” said, “No, I’ll be pro se.” The judge inquired, “You’ll be representing yourself?” and defendant responded, “That’s correct.” He was given the waiver form to sign, and the rest of the arraignment formalities were completed.
The second discussion between defendant and the judge about defendant’s representation took place at trial. During defendant’s opening statement, he said, “This is kind of hard for me, you know, I don’t have a lawyer. I can’t afford to have one, so I have to do this myself.” The trial judge called defendant and the prosecuting attorney to the bench, and told defendant:
Mr. Merrill, when you were arraigned ... I explained to you that you had or might have a right to have a public defender. At that time, you chose not to apply for one. Now do you, at this point, want a public defender, because if you can’t afford a lawyer, I will assign one to you?
After continued inquiry yielded Mr. Merrill’s statement that he did not want to “tie up the Court,” the trial judge said:
It’s not a question of tying up the Court, Mr. Merrill. Your statement to the jury was inappropriate. Now I’m not going to say anything because I’m afraid at this point it might prejudice your case, but I’m quite upset about the statement to . . . the jury because it is inappropriate. You have a right that was explained to you, and I’m perfectly willing to let you exercise that right if you’d like to apply for a public defender, even to the point of continuing today’s proceeding, if that’s what you want. Now is it?
Defendant answered, “No,” and reaffirmed that he was proceeding pro se and waiving his right to counsel.
This case presents the state of tension between two constitutional rights: the right to counsel, Gideon v. Wainwright, 372 [425]*425U.S. 335, 344 (1963); State v. Hartman, 134 Vt. 64, 65, 349 A.2d 223, 225 (1975), and the right to proceed without counsel, Faretta v. California, 422 U.S. 806 (1975); State v. O’Connell, 147 Vt. 60, 64, 510 A.2d 167,169 (1986). The waiver of the one right may amount to the assertion of the other, putting the trial court in what one court has called the “new, and unenviable, position” of having to choose between providing counsel if defendant’s attempted waiver of his constitutional right to counsel is inadequate, and granting a defendant’s request for self-representation if that choice is made “competently and intelligently.” United States v. Bailey, 675 F.2d 1292,1300 (D.C. Cir. 1982).
Neither a defendant’s waiver of his right to counsel nor his assertion of his right to proceed pro se may be presumed from a silent record. While it is abundantly clear from the record in this case that defendant was repeatedly offered counsel, and that he expressed his intent to proceed pro se,1 the nature of his understanding of the risks involved, and therefore whether the decision was made competently and intelligently, is less apparent from the record.
In order to protect both competing constitutional rights, the better practice is for the trial court first to conduct sufficient inquiry into the defendant’s experience, motives, and understanding of what he is undertaking to determine the quality of his purported waiver, State v. Hartman, 134 Vt. at 66, 349 A.2d at 225, arid then to provide a clear explanation of the adverse consequences of pro se representation. State v. Ahearn, 137 Vt. 253, 262, 403 A.2d 696, 702 (1979). This discussion should appear on the record so that a reviewing court may determine that the defendant knowingly accepted the risk. State v. O’Connell, 147 Vt. at 65, 510 A.2d at 170. A defendant may need to be advised of the available options to protect his rights to counsel, the full nature of the charges against him, the range of allowable punishment, and the consequences of proceeding [426]*426without the aid of an attorney. State v. Quintin, 143 Vt. 40, 44, 460 A.2d 458, 460-61 (1983); State v. Ahearn, 137 Vt. at 262, 403 A.2d at 702; State v. Hartman, 134 Vt. at 66, 349 A.2d at 225.
We are unwilling to accept, as defendant argues and the concurring opinion endorses, that all information for our review must necessarily appear in the original trial court record in every case. In a relatively close case, specific circumstances, such as a defendant’s past experience in representing himself, or pretrial attempts to obtain or to fire counsel, or even his conduct at trial, may reveal that in-depth inquiry or extensive advice is not necessary in that particular case to protect the constitutional rights of the unrepresented defendant. See State v. O’Connell, 147 Vt. at 65-66, 510 A.2d at 170. In such cases, we must know not only what the trial judge has told the defendant, but also what the defendant understands about the consequences of self-representation, so that it can be determined whether he has chosen intelligently and competently to proceed pro se. United States v. Kimmel, 672 F.2d 720, 722 (9th Cir. 1982).2 This type of information may or may not be available from the original trial court record. We are not willing to reverse a conviction of a defendant who in fact knowingly and intelligently waived the right to counsel simply because the record does not decisively show his knowledge and intelligence. It will be necessary in some cases to supplement that record to properly decide whether there has been a valid waiver of counsel.
[427]*427In cases where a further record must be developed, the inquiry is identical to that for waiver of other important rights, such as the waiver of Miranda rights. See State v. Austin, 155 Vt. 581, 534, 586 A.2d 545, 546 (1990); State v. Stanislaw, 153 Vt. 517, 529, 573 A.2d 286, 293 (1990); State v. Olson, 153 Vt. 226, 232, 571 A.2d 619, 623 (1989); State v. Malinowski, 148 Vt. 517, 520-23, 536 A.2d 921, 923-25 (1987) (lists earlier Miranda waiver cases). It is a totality of circumstances approach; See Fare v. Michael C., 442 U.S. 707, 725 (1979).
This is a relatively close case where further fact-finding can show whether defendant’s waiver was intelligent and competent. The record here, including the absence of an in-depth inquiry by the trial judge into defendant’s knowledge of the consequences of a waiver, is very close to that present in Faretta v. California, the leading case on the right of self-representation. There, the Court characterized the defendant as “literate, competent, and understanding and ... voluntarily exercising his informed free will” and found that “Faretta clearly and unequivocally declared to the trial judge that he wanted to represent himself and did not want counsel.” 422 U.S. at 835. The Supreme Court found a waiver of the right to counsel and a valid assertion of the right to self-representation in that case. Id.
The adjectives used to describe the defendant in Faretta are equally applicable here. Defendant showed his intelligence and understanding through his motion to dismiss, his negotiation with the state’s attorney and his argument to the jury. He was at the time of the alleged crime in a supervisory position with the City of Montpelier. There is no indication that his appearance pro se was involuntary, except possibly to the extent that he felt he could not afford a lawyer or was unwilling to spend money on one. He was very firm in his expressions of his decision to appear pro se, including confirming that decision in a written waiver. State v. Conn, 152 Vt. 99, 103-05, 565 A.2d 246, 248 (1989).
In order to apply the above procedure in the present case, we remand for the trial court to hold a hearing to determine the nature of defendant’s understanding regarding his right to counsel and his right to self-representation at the time of trial. Such a proceeding is appropriate to the development of [428]*428the facts necessary to determine if a waiver was knowing, voluntary, and intelligent. United States v. Tompkins, 623 F.2d 824, 829 (2d Cir. 1980); see State v. Walls, 501 A.2d 803, 806 (Me. 1985). The trial court’s findings from this proceeding will inform its discretion as to whether to strike or vacate the judgment.
Remanded for trial court proceedings not inconsistent with this opinion.