Meyer, J.:
This is an appeal by the State from the trial court’s order suppressing the results of a blood alcohol test (BAT) which was administered to defendant-appellee Randy Bristor shortly after his arrest for driving under the influence of alcohol.
At approximately 11:00 p.m. on the evening of July 30, 1982, defendant was driving in Dodge City, Kansas. He was observed by Trooper Jim Brooks of the Kansas Highway Patrol. Brooks stopped defendant in the parking lot of a local drinking establishment. Defendant was asked to exit his vehicle and to perform certain field sobriety tests.
Based on his observations of defendant, Brooks placed him under arrest for DUI, and informed him of his Miranda rights. Brooks then transported defendant to the Law Enforcement Center (LEC) in Dodge City.
At the LEC, defendant was placed in a squad room where he [405]*405was observed for approximately 20 minutes by Brooks and Officer Tom Bos of the Dodge City Police Department. During this period of observation, Brooks requested defendant’s consent to the administration of a BAT, pursuant to K.S.A. 8-1001. Defendant requested to speak to a lawyer before expressing either consent or refusal. Brooks informed defendant that the decision was his and his alone, and that an attorney had nothing to do with it.
Defendant consented to the administration of a BAT. The test was administered by Officer Bos. Defendant was not allowed to contact an attorney prior to his eventual decision to consent to the BAT; he was, however, allowed to call an attorney immediately after the completion of the test.
Defendant filed a pretrial motion to suppress the results of the BAT. Hearings were had on this motion, and the court received testimony from defendant and Trooper Brooks. The District Court of Ford County, Kansas, filed a journal entry which ordered the results of defendant’s BAT suppressed, on the ground that his consent to that test was obtained in violation of his constitutional right to counsel. The State has perfectéd this appeal from the trial court’s order of suppression.
The single issue before this court is whether defendant was denied a constitutionally protected right to consult with an attorney prior to deciding whether to consent to the administration of a BAT.
The courts of many states have addressed the issue of whether a person accused of DUI has a right to consult with counsel prior to exercising or waiving his right to refuse the administration of a BAT. A number of them, including Arizona, Georgia, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Oregon, New Hampshire and Rhode Island, have concluded that no such right to counsel exists. Others, including Minnesota, Missouri, North Carolina, New York, Ohio and Washington, have upheld the right to counsel. While not all of the cases we have found are directly in point with the case at bar, we find all to be analogous and deem their reasoning persuasive. We shall return in the course of our discussion to examination of some of these out-of-state precedents; but first, we shall examine the issue in light of existing Kansas law.
In State v. Irving, 231 Kan. 258, 262, 644 P.2d 389 (1982), the court said:
“The rule is now well established that the right to counsel under the Sixth [406]*406Amendment does not attach prior to the initiation of adversary judicial proceedings against an accused. Kirby v. Illinois, 406 U.S. 682, 688, 32 L.Ed.2d 411, 92 S.Ct. 1877 (1972). Where a case is still in the investigative stage, or in the absence of a person being charged, arrested, or indicted, such adversary proceedings have not yet commenced, and thus no right to counsel has attached.” (Emphasis added.)
In State v. Estes, 216 Kan. 382, 385-86, 532 P.2d 1283 (1975), the court said:
“A suspect in a criminal case has no right to have counsel at either a photographic or a physical lineup conducted prior to the filing of formal criminal charges against him. These are not to be considered critical stages of the proceeding which give rise to a right to counsel. (State v. Anderson, 211 Kan. 148, 505 P.2d 691; and State v. McCollum, 211 Kan. 631, 507 P.2d 196.) The Sixth Amendment guarantees attach only after the initiation of judicial criminal proceedings against an individual. (Kirby v. Illinois, 406 U.S. 682, 32 L.Ed.2d 411, 92 S.Ct. 1877.) At the time of the physical lineup the appellant by his own testimony admits he was not under arrest on charges upon which this appeal was taken.” (Emphasis added.)
Cf. State v. Zimmer, 198 Kan. 479, 482, 426 P.2d 267, cert. denied 389 U.S. 933 (1967).
While not involving the BAT test, and thus not being specifically in point, we conclude that the requirement of a complaint and/or arrest requirement in each of the above cases makes them sufficient authority for us to affirm the trial court herein. It must be emphasized that in the instant case the defendant had been arrested, had been advised of his Miranda rights, and had been ticketed by the arresting officer. We conclude that it is very clear herein that the State had proceeded to the point where defendant was indeed entitled to consult with an attorney.
While, as we have said, we conclude the foregoing Kansas cases are sufficient authority for us to affirm the action of the trial court herein, we hereinafter set forth federal cases and those from states other than Kansas to show the reasoning adopted by those courts.
In the landmark case of Powell v. Alabama, 287 U.S. 45, 77 L.Ed. 158, 53 S.Ct. 55 (1932), the Supreme Court established the principle that the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment required that a person accused of crime be afforded “the guiding hand of counsel at every step in the proceedings against him.” 287 U.S. at 69.
In succeeding cases, the court has made it clear that the right to counsel is not limited to the presence of counsel at trial.
[407]*407“It is central to that principle that in addition to counsel’s presence at trial, the accused is guaranteed that he need not stand alone against the State at any stage of the prosecution, formal or informal, in court or out, where counsel’s absence might derogate from the accused’s right to a fair trial. . . .
“In sum, the principle of Powell v. Alabama and succeeding cases requires that we scrutinize any pretrial confrontation of the accused to determine whether the presence of his counsel is necessary to preserve the defendant’s basic right to a fair trial as affected by his right meaningfully to cross-examine the witnesses against him and to have effective assistance of counsel at the trial itself. It calls upon us to analyze whether potential substantial prejudice to defendant’s rights inheres in the particular confrontation and the ability of counsel to help avoid that prejudice.” United States v. Wade, 388 U.S. 218, 226-27, 18 L.Ed.2d 1149, 87 S.Ct. 1926 (1967).
It has come to be recognized that an accused is entitled to the presence of counsel at every “critical stage” of the prosecution. The Supreme Court presented a conceptual definition of what constitutes a “critical stage” in Coleman v. Alabama, 399 U.S. 1, 7, 26 L.Ed.2d 387, 90 S.Ct. 1999 (1970). See also United States v. Ash, 413 U.S. 300, 37 L.Ed.2d 619, 93 S.Ct. 2568 (1973); and Argersinger v. Hamlin, 407 U.S. 25, 32 L.Ed.2d 530, 92 S.Ct. 2006 (1972).
Finally, the opinion in Kirby v. Illinois, 406 U.S. 682, 32 L.Ed.2d 411, 92 S.Ct. 1877 (1972), provides us with the following concise, yet also comprehensive, summary of the scope and breadth of the constitutional right to counsel:
“In a line of constitutional cases in this Court stemming back to the Court’s landmark opinion in Powell v. Alabama, 287 U.S. 45, it has been firmly established that a person’s Sixth and Fourteenth Amendment right to counsel attaches only at or after the time that adversary judicial proceedings have been initiated against him. See Powell v. Alabama, supra; Johnson v. Zerbst, 304 U.S. 458; Hamilton v. Alabama, 368 U.S. 52; Gideon v. Wainwright, 372 U.S. 335; White v. Maryland, 373 U.S. 59; Massiah v. United States, 377 U.S. 201; United States v. Wade, 388 U.S. 218; Gilbert v. California, 388 U.S. 263; Coleman v. Alabama, 399 U.S. 1.
“[WJhile members of the Court have differed as to existence of the right to counsel in the contexts of some of the above cases, all of those cases have involved points of time at or after the initiation of adversary judicial criminal proceedings — whether by way of formal charge, preliminary hearing, indictment, information, or arraignment.
“The initiation of judicial criminal proceedings is far from a mere formalism. It is the starting point of our whole system of adversary criminal justice. For it is only then that the government has committed itself to prosecute, and only then that the adverse positions of government and defendant have solidified. It is then that a defendant finds himself faced with the prosecutorial forces of organized [408]*408society, and immersed in the intricacies of substantive and procedural criminal law. It is this point, therefore, that marks the commencement of the ‘criminal prosecutions’ to which alone the explicit guarantees of the Sixth Amendment are applicable. See Powell v. Alabama, 287 U.S. at 66-71; Massiah v. United States, 377 U.S. 201; Spano v. New York, 360 U.S. 315, 324 (DOUGLAS, J., concurring).” 406 U.S. at 688-90.
Resolution of the issue in the case at bar turns on whether the point at which the accused is asked to consent to a BAT is a “critical stage” in the prosecution of a DUI case. We hold that such point in time is indeed a “critical stage,” at which time the right to counsel attaches. Several conclusions lead us to this holding.
First, prior to being requested to consent to a BAT, defendant had been arrested by Trooper Brooks, who had prepared a complaint charging defendant with the specific crime of DUI (K.S.A. 8-1567). Thus, adversary judicial criminal proceedings had commenced against defendant. We would find it impossible to say that, at the time of the request, defendant was not “faced with the prosecutorial forces of organized society, and immersed in the intricacies of substantive and procedural criminal law.” Kirby v. Illinois, 406 U.S. at 689. (As noted above, Kansas adopted the Kirby court theory in State v. Irving, 231 Kan. 258.)
Second, one who has been accused of DUI and asked to submit to a BAT is possessed of certain rights. All of these rights are not cumulative; however, the exercise of one of them may also operate as a relinquishment of some other. Thus, this point in time is a “critical stage” in the proceedings, because, if left unguided by counsel, the accused may irretrievably lose important rights. See Hamilton v. Alabama, 368 U.S. 52, 54, 7 L.Ed.2d 114, 82 S.Ct. 157 (1961). We shall elaborate on this point.
Kansas, like many other states, has enacted an “implied consent” statute. It states, in pertinent part:
“(a) Any person who operates a motor vehicle upon a public highway in this state shall be deemed to have given consent to submit to a chemical test of breath or blood, to determine the alcoholic content of the person’s blood whenever the person is arrested or otherwise taken into custody for any offense involving operating a motor vehicle under the influence of alcohol in violation of a state statute or a city ordinance and the arresting officer has reasonable grounds to believe that prior to arrest the person was driving under the influence of alcohol. The test shall be administered at the direction of the arresting officer.
“(c) If the person so arrested refuses a request to submit to a test of breath or [409]*409blood, it shall not be given and the person’s refusal to submit to the test shall be admissible in evidence against the person at any trial for driving under the influence of alcohol. The arresting officer shall make a report verified on oath to the division of vehicles of the refusal, stating that prior to the arrest the officer had reasonable grounds to believe that the person was driving under the influence of alcohol. Upon receipt of the report, the division immediately shall notify the person of the right to be heard on the issue of reasonableness of the failure to submit to the test .... If a hearing is not requested or if, after the hearing, the division finds that the refusal was not reasonable, and after due consideration of the record of motor vehicle offenses of the person, the division shall suspend the person’s license or permit to drive or nonresident operating privilege for a period of not less than 120 days and not more than one year.” K.S.A. 8-1001(o) and (c).
Another statute which has application to this case is K.S.A. 8-1004, which provides:
“Without limiting or affecting the provisions of K.S.A. 8-1001 to 8-1003, the person tested shall have a reasonable opportunity to have an additional chemical test by a physician of his or her own choosing. In case the officer refuses to permit such additional chemical test to be taken, then the original test shall not be competent in evidence.”
Examining the two statutes above, it is apparent that they grant an accused certain rights. K.S.A. 8-1001(c) grants the inviolable right to refuse to submit to a BAT. The exercise of this right, however, carries with it two possible sanctions: one, the fact of refusal may be used as evidence against the accused on the DUI charge; and two, the fact of refusal will result in an administrative proceeding against the accused, which proceeding may result in a suspension of driving privileges. If the accused relinquishes his right to refuse, by consenting to a BAT, then K.S.A. 8-1004 operates and the accused has a right to a reasonable opportunity to obtain an independent and objective BAT. Also, K.S.A. 8-1002 gives the accused who submits a right to a copy of the results of the BAT requested by the police.
The Kansas appellate courts have consistently held that there is no duty upon the arresting officer to explain to the accused his rights under the foregoing statutes. In Hazlett v. Motor Vehicle Department, 195 Kan. 439, 442, 407 P.2d 551 (1965), it was held that the officer is not required to explain the consequences of refusal to the accused. The court in City of Shawnee v. Gruss, 2 Kan. App. 2d 131, 134, 576 P.2d 239, rev. denied 225 Kan. 843 (1978), held that the officer need not inform a consenting accused of his right to an independent BAT under K.S.A. 8-1004. [410]*410And in State v. Mezins, 4 Kan. App. 2d 292, 294, 605 P.2d 159, rev. denied 227 Kan. 928 (1980), it was held that there was no duty placed on the officer to inform the accused of his right, under K.S.A. 8-1001, to refuse to submit to a BAT.
The question obviously is how can an accused make an intelligent decision regarding submission to a BAT if he is ignorant of his various rights, and how can he in his ignorance protect those rights, if the officer is under no duty to enlighten him. The answer, clearly, is that only through the advice and counsel of an attorney can the accused be expected to make his decisions in an intelligent and knowledgeable manner. We find it particularly noteworthy that at least one court which refused to impose upon the officer a duty to inform the accused of his rights based its holding, at least in part, on the fact that the accused therein had been allowed to consult with counsel prior to submitting to a BAT. See City of Shawnee v. Gruss, 2 Kan. App. 2d at 134.
We would at this point reiterate the gist of the test from United States v. Wade, 388 U.S. at 227:
“whether potential substantial prejudice to defendant’s rights inheres in the particular confrontation and the ability of counsel to help avoid that prejudice.”
Applying that test to the case at bar, we would conclude that the point in time when an accused is requested to submit to a BAT is plainly a “critical stage” in the prosecution of a DUI charge. The decision which is made will be crucial to the future direction of the defense to the charge. It is at that point that rights may be gained or lost. Once lost, rights cannot be reclaimed or salvaged; and even those rights gained, such as the right to an independent BAT, can also be lost by the failure to timely assert them. Thus, if counsel is not available to the accused at that point, possible defenses may become irretrievably, even to the ablest of counsel, for no representation at trial, however stellar, could undo the harm done at that earlier point in time.
In State v. Fitzsimmons, 93 Wash. 2d 436, 610 P.2d 893, vacated and remanded 449 U.S. 977, aff’d on remand 94 Wash. 2d 858, 620 P.2d 999 (1980), the Supreme Court of Washington, faced with the issue before us today, reached a result the same as our own; some of that court’s reasoning follows:
“The time immediately after arrest and charging for driving while under the influence, when the defendant is still in custody and must immediately make the decision whether to submit to the Breathalyzer, arrange for further testing and [411]*411observation of his mental state or forever lose any defense, is certainly such an event. Only by acknowledging the defendant’s right of access to counsel can we insure he is meaningfully assisted in his defense.” 93 Wash, at 445.
And see also Prideaux v. State, Dept. of Public Safety, 310 Minn. 405, 247 N.W.2d 385 (1976).
We subscribe to the reasoning of Fitzsimmons and Prideaux. We have examined a number of cases from states across our nation which have held contrary to our position herein. We have also examined Fitzsimmons and Prideaux and a host of other cases from states equally disparate. We recognize that these cases are not all identical to the one at bar. Some involved the right to counsel not in the arena of a court prosecution for DUI, but in license revocation proceedings before an administrative tribunal. Some of the cases rejected constitutional grounds for their holdings, relying instead on statutes or court rules. Despite these factual and legal differences, though, this line of cases champions a single unifying idea: that one accused of DUI has some right to consult with an attorney prior to deciding whether to submit to a BAT. Having compared the two opposing lines of cases mentioned above, we find the latter possesses the more compelling logic and expresses the fairer rule.
Before concluding, we shall address some of the arguments advanced on behalf of the State. One such argument is that the holding in Schmerber v. California, 384 U.S. 757, 16 L.Ed.2d 908, 86 S.Ct. 1826 (1966), is dispositive of the issue herein. The State’s reliance on Schmerber is misplaced.
In Schmerber, the court ruled that a forcible extraction of blood from an unwilling accused for the purpose of a BAT was not a denial of due process; nor, it was held, was such a proceeding a violation of the rights of the accused under the Fourth, Fifth, or Sixth Amendments. Schmerber can, however, be distinguished on its facts from the case at bar. In Kansas, an accused has the absolute right to refuse to submit to a BAT; in Schmerber, the accused enjoyed no such privilege. The court in Schmerber grounded its denial of appellant’s Sixth Amendment claim of a right to counsel on the fact that, because he could not legally refuse to take the test, advice of counsel to refuse was meaningless.
“Since petitioner was not entitled to assert the privilege, he has no greater right because counsel erroneously advised him that he could assert it. His claim is [412]*412strictly limited to the failure of the police to respect his wish, reinforced by counsel’s advice, to be left inviolate. No issue of counsel’s ability to assist petitioner in respect of any rights he did possess is presented. The limited claim thus made must be rejected.” 384 U.S. at 766.
In contrast, when the accused may lawfully refuse to submit to a BAT, as he may in Kansas, the advice of counsel regarding the decision whether to submit can be highly meaningful. On this basis, Schmerber can be distinguished from and, thus, is not controlling in, the instant case. For a similar analysis of the Schmerber decision, see People v. Sweeney, 55 Misc. 2d 793, 795-96, 286 N.Y.S.2d 506 (1968).
The State also argues that since a BAT is a scientifically exact procedure, allowing little or no subjectivity, then there is no need for an attorney to be present at the taking of the test, because any variation from established procedures can be used to invalidate the test results when they are offered into evidence at trial. Thus, the argument proceeds, the absence of counsel at the administration of the BAT does not pose a serious threat of prejudice to the substantial rights of defendant herein. The State cites for support United States v. Wade, 388 U.S. 218, and Gilbert v. California, 388 U.S. 263, 18 L.Ed.2d 1178, 87 S.Ct. 1951 (1967).
No doubt the rule has long been that no constitutionally protected right of the accused is violated when he is required to present his physical person or his characteristics for examination, inspection or comparison. See Holt v. United States, 218 U.S. 245, 54 L.Ed. 1021, 31 S.Ct. 2 (1910); and State v. Haze, 218 Kan. 60, Syl. ¶ 1, 542 P.2d 720 (1975). The issue has been firmly and recently decided that neither the introduction of the results of a BAT, or the refusal to submit thereto, violates the Fifth Amendment prohibition against compulsory self-incrimination. South Dakota v. Neville, 459 U.S. 553, 74 L.Ed.2d 748, 103 S.Ct. 916 (1983). Our own “implied consent” statute has withstood attack on constitutional grounds. See Lee v. State, 187 Kan. 566, 571, 358 P.2d 765 (1961).
But the question of whether the accused enjoys a right to the. presence of an attorney at the administration of the BAT itself is a far different one than whether the accused has a right to consult with an attorney before deciding whether to submit to the test. We do not this day hold that an accused has a right to have his attorney physically present at the taking of the BAT itself; we [413]*413hold only that an accused in a DUI case must be afforded a reasonable opportunity to consult with counsel prior to being required to submit to or refuse a BAT.
This brings us to one final concern voiced by the State. The fear is that persons accused of DUI will abuse their right to counsel in an effort to stall the administration of the BAT until such a time as their blood alcohol level had lowered significantly through normál physiological processes. We recognize that the human body assimilates any alcohol in the blood at a fairly rapid rate. This same scientific fact was foremost in the mind of the court in People v. Gursey, 22 N.Y.2d 224, 292 N.Y.S.2d 416, 239 N.E.2d 351 (1968), when it fashioned the following rule:
“In light of current recognition of the importance of counsel in criminal proceedings affecting significant legal rights, law enforcement officials may not, without justification, prevent access between the criminal accused and his lawyer, available in person or by immediate telephone communication, if such access does not interfere unduly with the matter at hand. This court recently noted, in another context, that: ‘As a matter of fairness, government ought not compel individuals to make binding decisions concerning their legal rights in the enforced absence of counsel.’ (People v. Ianniello, 21 N Y 2d 418, 424; see Escobedo v. Illinois, 378 U.S. 478, 486; People v. Donovan, 13 N Y 2d 148, 153). . . .
“The privilege of consulting with counsel concerning the exercise of legal rights should not, however, extend so far as to palpably impair or nullify the statutory procedure requiring drivers to choose between taking the test or losing their licenses. It is common knowledge that the human body dissipates alcohol rapidly .... Where the defendant wishes only to telephone his lawyer or consult with a lawyer present in the station house or immediately available there, no danger of delay is posed. But, to be sure, there can be no recognition of an absolute right to refuse the test until a lawyer reaches the scene (see Matter of Finocchairo v. Kelly, 11 N Y 2d 58, 61 [VAN VOORHIS, J„ concurring]). If the lawyer is not physically present and cannot be reached promptly by telephone or otherwise, the defendant may be required.to elect between taking the test and submitting to revocation of his license, without the aid of counsel.” 22 N.Y.2d at 227-29.
And see also People v. Rinaldi, 107 Misc.2d 916, 436 N.Y.S.2d 156 (1981).
The right to counsel, we have announced today, must be understood as something of a limited right. The accused must be given a reasonable opportunity to contact and to consult with an attorney before being required to elect whether to consent to the administration of a BAT. In his exercise of his right to a reasonable opportunity to consult with counsel, the accused must also [414]*414act with reasonableness. He cannot be allowed to abuse the right in a manner which would unduly delay or unreasonably interfere with the administration of the BAT. Furthermore, vindication of this right does not necessarily require that the consulting attorney be face-to-face with the accused. Sometimes the accused will have to sacrifice a face-to-face consultation, and settle for telephonic communication, when the delay inherent in arranging a face-to-face meeting would unduly and unreasonably interfere with the administration of the BAT. However, in those cases where the attorney’s presence can be secured without unreasonable delay, face-to-face consultations should not be prevented.
We deem it important to note that Kansas has always held that the lapse of time between the operation of a motor vehicle and the administration of a BAT does not reflect on the admissibility of the test results, but only goes to the weight of such evidence. See State v. Parson, 226 Kan. 491, 495, 601 P.2d 680 (1979). Therefore, any delays in the administration of a BAT which are not unreasonable should not be justification for denying the accused his right to consult with an attorney.
In summary, we do not herein hold that the defendant’s attorney must be present when the BAT is administered. Neither do we hold that a defendant in every instance is entitled to consult with an attorney before he must make a choice as to whether to take the BAT or not. What we do hold is that the defendant must be afforded a reasonable opportunity to consult with an attorney as to whether or not to submit to the BAT. In the instant case, the defendant was not afforded any opportunity whatsoever to attempt to contact an attorney before making such choice. We are well aware that some defendants might, by their alleged desire to confer with -counsel, attempt to postpone the BAT until sufficient time has elapsed for their blood alcohol level to diminish. There is no excuse, at all, however, in not allowing the defendant at least to attempt telephonic consultation with an attorney, or, where such can be done with reasonable expedition, to have his attorney come to the place of defendant’s confinement for personal consultation. This is a matter that is not, in our opinion, susceptible to hard and fast rules or procedures, but is a matter within the sound discretion of the trial court when that court is faced with a decision as to whether [415]*415to suppress the results of such a test. It is clear that a decision on suppression must be made on a case by case method by the trial court. Where, as in the instant case, the trial court ordered suppression of the BAT results where no opportunity of any kind, and however brief, was afforded the defendant to confer with an attorney, it is clear to us, and we hold, that the trial court was correct.
Affirmed.