Ryan v. Flemming

533 N.W.2d 920, 1995 N.D. LEXIS 117, 1995 WL 380893
CourtNorth Dakota Supreme Court
DecidedJune 27, 1995
DocketCiv. 940274
StatusPublished
Cited by43 cases

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Ryan v. Flemming, 533 N.W.2d 920, 1995 N.D. LEXIS 117, 1995 WL 380893 (N.D. 1995).

Opinions

MESCHKE, Justice.

Elizabeth Flemming appealed a decree placing primary physical custody of her son, Robert Jr., with his father, Robert Ryan. We consider the effect of a private judicial interview of a child witness without administering an oath, the effect of violence to property on the presumption against custody by a violent parent, and whether the evidence supported placement of primary custody of a five-year-old boy with his father. We affirm.

Robert and Elizabeth began a relationship in 1987, but never married. Their son, Robert Jr., was born on April 18, 1989. At the time Elizabeth had a six-year-old son, Jesse, from before. Robert Jr. lived solely with Elizabeth and Jesse until August 1989, when Robert and Elizabeth moved in together in Grand Forks. In June 1990, Elizabeth moved to Minot with her boys, where they lived until August 1991. Then, Robert took Robert Jr. back to Grand Forks to live with him.

The family soon came together again when Elizabeth and Jesse returned to Grand Forks to five there too, but later in 1991, Elizabeth moved to a separate apartment. For the next two years, Robert Jr. often went back and forth between the homes of his parents, but primarily lived with Robert. In late October 1993, Elizabeth again moved to Minot with Jesse, taking Robert Jr. with her against Robert’s wishes. Robert sued Elizabeth for custody of the boy, and obtained his temporary custody pending trial. Elizabeth too sought custody of Robert Jr.

On the morning of trial in 1994, Jesse was interviewed briefly in the judge’s chambers without Robert or Elizabeth present. Present were Jesse, an attorney for each parent, the court reporter, and the judge. At trial, Robert and Elizabeth both testified, and each described acts by Robert in breaking a potted plant once and in ripping a phone off the wall another time.

The trial court decreed joint legal custody of Robert Jr., placed his primary physical custody with Robert, and scheduled visitation with Elizabeth, who was ordered to pay $187 monthly child support. Elizabeth appeals.

Elizabeth argues that the trial court erroneously placed primary custody of Robert Jr. with Robert. In particular, she argues that the court erred in not putting Jesse under oath for the chambers interview, in excluding her from that interview, and in misapplying the presumption against placing custody with a violent parent. Robert responds that the court reasonably found insufficient violence by Robert for a presumption against his custodial fitness, and correctly placed Robert Jr.’s custody with Robert as the primary caretaker. We agree with Robert.

We will not reverse a trial court’s custody placement, a finding of fact, unless it is clearly erroneous. Heck v. Reed, 529 N.W.2d 155, 159 (N.D.1995). “A finding of fact is clearly erroneous if it is induced by an erroneous view of the law, if no evidence exists to support it, or if the reviewing court, on the entire evidence, is left with a definite and firm conviction that a mistake has been made.” Id.

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Elizabeth challenges use of evidence from Jesse’s chambers interview because “[t]he trial Court did not administer an oath to Jesse, nor at any other time make any effort to ascertain if Jesse knew the difference between the truth and a he or otherwise attempt to impress upon Jesse the importance of telling the truth.” The rules of evidence expect that every witness be required “by oath or affirmation” to testify truthfully:

Before testifying, every witness must be required to declare that the witness will testify truthfully, by oath or affirmation administered in a form calculated to awaken the witness’ conscience and impress the witness’ mind with the duty to do so.

NDREv 603. While this rule was not literally followed, we are not persuaded the degree of omission for a child compels a new trial or a different result.

The trial court began his brief “talk with” Jesse, age ten, with some emphasis: “I just have a few questions for you, Jesse, and you can tell me as much as you like, and I appreciate it a lot because it’s important.” Jesse was thus instructed his answers would be important, even though he was not asked to make a solemn promise to tell the truth. Jesse’s credibility was for the trial court to weigh. See State v. Hanson, 149 Wis.2d 474, 439 N.W.2d 133, 137 (1989) (“a child of tender years who is a witness need not be formally ‘sworn’ to fulfill the requirement” of an oath or affirmation). Wigmore’s renowned work explains, at 6 Wigmore, Evidence § 1827 at 413-14 (Chadbourn rev. 1976): “The true purpose of the oath is not to exclude any competent witness, but merely to add a stimulus to truthfulness wherever such a stimulus is feasible.”

If more stimulus was needed, counsel for Elizabeth was present at the interview, was able to question Jesse, and did not ask for any different procedure. See Larsen v. State, 686 P.2d 583 (Wyo.1984) (failure to swear five-year-old before testifying was not plain error). “It is generally held that the failure to require an oath or affirmation before testifying must be raised by objection or it is considered waived.” Id. at 587. Jesse’s ability to answer questions truthfully was never contested.

And Jesse’s answers were not the only evidence about family relations. After that brief interview, there was a complete trial. In its decision, the trial court explained how Jesse’s statements fit with the rest of the testimony:

[I]t was the distinct impression of the Court that Jesse was stating the same concerns that his mother felt. Jesse complained that Robert had many toys and that Robert can do anything he wants at his father’s home. Jesse complained about [Robertas unwillingness to pick him up from school or day-care. Moreover, Jesse thought hunting and guns are “stupid”. Jesse stated that: “He (Robert) would tell you that he wants to stay with his dad.”
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[T]he Court is concerned about the apparent bitterness that [Elizabeth] feels toward [Robert]. This bitterness has, as noted above, spilled over into her conversations with Jesse, who reiterated his mother’s concerns to the Court during the in-chambers interview.

The court used a complete analysis of the evidence for the custodial placement.

Elizabeth argues the trial court erred in excluding her from Jesse’s interview. We disagree.

We discussed, without deciding, the potential problems that go with a private judicial interview of a child in a custody case in Muraskin v. Muraskin, 336 N.W.2d 332, 335 n. 2 (N.D.1983):

While the right to confrontation of witnesses is not a constitutional right in civil cases as it is in criminal cases, the procedure used here raises significant due process questions. A party to any procedure is entitled to know what evidence is used or relied upon and has a right generally to present rebutting evidence or to cross-examine unless such right is waived by the parties either expressly or by implication.

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