SMITH, J.:
Respondent brought this action to recover damages for the death of his seven-year-old son, alleged to have been caused by the negligence of the appellant. The appeal is [434]*434from a judgment in respondent’s favor, and from tbe order overruling tbe motion for a new trial. Tbe appellant is a corporation engaged in operating a line of street railway on different streets of Salt Lake City, and, among others, a line running south on State or First East street to Fourth South street, and then turning and running east and west on the last-named street. On the 14th day of June, one of appellant’s cars operated by electricity ran down State street, made the turn to the east on Fourth South street, and proceeded one block east on said street, when, at or near the intersection of Fourth South street and Second East street, the car ran over the son of the respondent, and'killed him.
The appellant complains that the evidence is insufficient to justify the verdict in several particulars, but generally it may be stated that the claim is that the evidence fails to show negligence on the part of the appellant, — that it failed to show that the defendant was running its cars more than 12 miles an hour, and fails to show that the ordinary warning by ringing the gong was not given; and, second, it is claimed that the evidence is insufficient to support the verdict, for the reason that the boy killed was shown to be guilty of negligence contributing to the injury; and, third that the evidence was insufficient to support the verdict, because it appeared from the evidence that the plaintiff and his agents were negligent in permitting the boy injured to run around in the street, unattended and uncared for.
We will first discuss these three assignments, before we begin to discuss the errors of law assigned. There was evidence tending to show that the car which was being operated by the defendant company, and which caused the injury, was, at the time of the injury, running at a rate of speed somewhere between 11.96 miles per hour and 17 miles per hour. The city ordinance permitted the car to' [435]*435be run not to exceed 12 miles per bonr. This running in excess of this provision of the ordinance was the first matter of negligence alleged and complained of. There was certainly evidence tending to support the finding of the jury to the effect* that the car w.as running at a greater •rate of speed than that permitted by the ordinance. There was a conflict of evidence as to whether the gong upon the car was sounded before crossing Second Bast street, or at any time before the child was struck and killed. There was great conflict in the evidence as to just what occurred at the time the child was struck, and before the car passed over him. He was carried in front of the wheels, or in front of the car, and' driven and knocked along the track, a distance of some 50 feet. There was also evidence that the car, running at full speed, could be stopped in about 35 feet. The evidence tended to show that, when the motorman first saw the boy, the boy was some 25 feet away from the car, and in front of it, and, when the car stopped, it had passed over his body entirely. With this evidence before them, we are not warranted in saying that the jury should have found that there was no negligence on the part of the railway company in the operation of its car. It certainly appears that the car was either, running at an extraordinary rate of speed, and required a much greater space in which to stop it than usual, or else there was no effort made to stop it, as there should have been. It was purely a question of fact for the jury, and there was a substantial conflict in the evidence in regard to it. Under such circumstances, it was proper to submit the matter to the jury, and have them determine whether or not the defendant was guilty of negligence in the premises.
The next assignment of error is to the effect that the deceased child was guilty of negligence contributing to the injury, and that, therefore, no recovery can be had in this [436]*436case. There was no dispute but that the child was only seven years old, was playing in the street, and was possibly holding onto the rear end of a wagon which was coming in an opposite direction to the car of the defendant, and on a road parallel to its track and by the side of it. Either the child was behind this wagon, and came upon the track from behind the wagon after he dropped off of it, or else walked onto the track from some point near this wagon as it was passing up the street. There is evidence tending to show that the child was standing upon the railway track some 65 feet ahead of the car, and in a position where he might have been seen by the motorman, and where he might have seen the car if his attention had been called to it. It is a well-established rule that children are not chargeable with the same degree of care in protecting themselves as grown people, and the child in this case was only bound to use such care as a child of his age, experience, and intelligence might reasonably be expected to use for his own protection. If this is the correct rule, there is no evidence in the case that the child was guilty of negligence at all. He was playing upon the street, as this child or any other had a right to do, and it seems was in such position that he might have been seen by the motorman. He was evidently not of sufficient age to understand his danger until the discovery of it would have, perhaps, frightened him to such an extent that he would have been unable to do anything for his own protection. There is no evidence as to whether the child was familiar with the car, or knew anything of the danger to himself resulting from his being on or near the track, and there is nothing in the record to show but what the child became confused, finding himself suddenly in the presence of the car running at a high rate of speed. The burden of showing contributory negligence is upon the defendant, unless the testimony of the plaintiff shows it. See Reddon v. Railway [437]*437Co., 5 Utah, 344, 15 Pac. 262. F.or a complete synopsis oí tbe law relative to the negligence of children under such circumstances, see 1 Shear. & B. Neg. § 73, and notes.
The next assignment upon the insufficiency of the evidence is that the plaintiff or his agents in charge of the child were negligent in allowing the child upon the street. The record is entirely and absolutely silent upon the subject of the care of those intrusted with this child. There is nothing showing, or tending to show, how the child came into the street, and it seems to us that it would be going a long way to hold that it was negligence per se for the parents of a child seven years old to allow him to go upon the public streets. There is nothing to show that they knew anything of his being on the street. The defendant, in operating its street-car line, should operate it in such a way as to protect the lives of children and other people, who have an equal right to the use of the street; and it is guilty of culpable negligence if it fails to exercise ordinary care for the protection of such children, when they themselves, or those in charge of them, have done nothing to unnecessarily expose them to danger.
The first error of law assigned raises the question again as to whether or not a verdict by less than 12 jurors can be received and is valid. We have frequently passed upon this question, and have upheld the statute authorizing such verdicts, and therefore we will not stop to discuss it again in this opinion. • -
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SMITH, J.:
Respondent brought this action to recover damages for the death of his seven-year-old son, alleged to have been caused by the negligence of the appellant. The appeal is [434]*434from a judgment in respondent’s favor, and from tbe order overruling tbe motion for a new trial. Tbe appellant is a corporation engaged in operating a line of street railway on different streets of Salt Lake City, and, among others, a line running south on State or First East street to Fourth South street, and then turning and running east and west on the last-named street. On the 14th day of June, one of appellant’s cars operated by electricity ran down State street, made the turn to the east on Fourth South street, and proceeded one block east on said street, when, at or near the intersection of Fourth South street and Second East street, the car ran over the son of the respondent, and'killed him.
The appellant complains that the evidence is insufficient to justify the verdict in several particulars, but generally it may be stated that the claim is that the evidence fails to show negligence on the part of the appellant, — that it failed to show that the defendant was running its cars more than 12 miles an hour, and fails to show that the ordinary warning by ringing the gong was not given; and, second, it is claimed that the evidence is insufficient to support the verdict, for the reason that the boy killed was shown to be guilty of negligence contributing to the injury; and, third that the evidence was insufficient to support the verdict, because it appeared from the evidence that the plaintiff and his agents were negligent in permitting the boy injured to run around in the street, unattended and uncared for.
We will first discuss these three assignments, before we begin to discuss the errors of law assigned. There was evidence tending to show that the car which was being operated by the defendant company, and which caused the injury, was, at the time of the injury, running at a rate of speed somewhere between 11.96 miles per hour and 17 miles per hour. The city ordinance permitted the car to' [435]*435be run not to exceed 12 miles per bonr. This running in excess of this provision of the ordinance was the first matter of negligence alleged and complained of. There was certainly evidence tending to support the finding of the jury to the effect* that the car w.as running at a greater •rate of speed than that permitted by the ordinance. There was a conflict of evidence as to whether the gong upon the car was sounded before crossing Second Bast street, or at any time before the child was struck and killed. There was great conflict in the evidence as to just what occurred at the time the child was struck, and before the car passed over him. He was carried in front of the wheels, or in front of the car, and' driven and knocked along the track, a distance of some 50 feet. There was also evidence that the car, running at full speed, could be stopped in about 35 feet. The evidence tended to show that, when the motorman first saw the boy, the boy was some 25 feet away from the car, and in front of it, and, when the car stopped, it had passed over his body entirely. With this evidence before them, we are not warranted in saying that the jury should have found that there was no negligence on the part of the railway company in the operation of its car. It certainly appears that the car was either, running at an extraordinary rate of speed, and required a much greater space in which to stop it than usual, or else there was no effort made to stop it, as there should have been. It was purely a question of fact for the jury, and there was a substantial conflict in the evidence in regard to it. Under such circumstances, it was proper to submit the matter to the jury, and have them determine whether or not the defendant was guilty of negligence in the premises.
The next assignment of error is to the effect that the deceased child was guilty of negligence contributing to the injury, and that, therefore, no recovery can be had in this [436]*436case. There was no dispute but that the child was only seven years old, was playing in the street, and was possibly holding onto the rear end of a wagon which was coming in an opposite direction to the car of the defendant, and on a road parallel to its track and by the side of it. Either the child was behind this wagon, and came upon the track from behind the wagon after he dropped off of it, or else walked onto the track from some point near this wagon as it was passing up the street. There is evidence tending to show that the child was standing upon the railway track some 65 feet ahead of the car, and in a position where he might have been seen by the motorman, and where he might have seen the car if his attention had been called to it. It is a well-established rule that children are not chargeable with the same degree of care in protecting themselves as grown people, and the child in this case was only bound to use such care as a child of his age, experience, and intelligence might reasonably be expected to use for his own protection. If this is the correct rule, there is no evidence in the case that the child was guilty of negligence at all. He was playing upon the street, as this child or any other had a right to do, and it seems was in such position that he might have been seen by the motorman. He was evidently not of sufficient age to understand his danger until the discovery of it would have, perhaps, frightened him to such an extent that he would have been unable to do anything for his own protection. There is no evidence as to whether the child was familiar with the car, or knew anything of the danger to himself resulting from his being on or near the track, and there is nothing in the record to show but what the child became confused, finding himself suddenly in the presence of the car running at a high rate of speed. The burden of showing contributory negligence is upon the defendant, unless the testimony of the plaintiff shows it. See Reddon v. Railway [437]*437Co., 5 Utah, 344, 15 Pac. 262. F.or a complete synopsis oí tbe law relative to the negligence of children under such circumstances, see 1 Shear. & B. Neg. § 73, and notes.
The next assignment upon the insufficiency of the evidence is that the plaintiff or his agents in charge of the child were negligent in allowing the child upon the street. The record is entirely and absolutely silent upon the subject of the care of those intrusted with this child. There is nothing showing, or tending to show, how the child came into the street, and it seems to us that it would be going a long way to hold that it was negligence per se for the parents of a child seven years old to allow him to go upon the public streets. There is nothing to show that they knew anything of his being on the street. The defendant, in operating its street-car line, should operate it in such a way as to protect the lives of children and other people, who have an equal right to the use of the street; and it is guilty of culpable negligence if it fails to exercise ordinary care for the protection of such children, when they themselves, or those in charge of them, have done nothing to unnecessarily expose them to danger.
The first error of law assigned raises the question again as to whether or not a verdict by less than 12 jurors can be received and is valid. We have frequently passed upon this question, and have upheld the statute authorizing such verdicts, and therefore we will not stop to discuss it again in this opinion. • -
The next error of law relates to the admission of testimony. The witness MeGann, introduced on behalf of the defendant, had testified to the speed of the car at the point where the accident occurred, and testified that it was 11.98 miles per hour. On cross-examination he was asked this question: etIf your car had been 30 or 40 or 50 feet, or 100 feet, back further west, behind the time that it was on, you are not prepared to say but what that [438]*438boy would have got across the track, or would not have got np there on it?” To this question there was an objection by the defendant that it was irrelevant and immaterial. The court permitted it to be answered as a hypothetical question, in view of the previous testimony that had been introduced in the case, and' the witness answered that “ I think, if it had been that far back of where it was, that he would have gotten across.” It is. difficult to see how this testimony prejudiced the appellant. The witness had testified, in answer to a previous question, that he could not have stopped, if he had been running at less than 12 miles per hour, in time to have prevented the accident. He also had testified that when he first saw the boy he was just letting go of the wagon, and was 20 feet or so from the end of the car, — 20 or 25 feet,. —and was off to one side 6 or 8 feet. He was then asked the question above quoted, and made the answer that, if' the' car had been that far back of where it was; the child would have gotten across.
It may be admitted that, the answer of the witness did not tend to prove negligence on the part of the defendant;. but.it must be borne in mind that it was a part of the cross-examination, and would seem to have been admissible-for the purpose of distinguishing his prior testimony, — for the purpose of testing the truthfulness of his former statement that the accident would have occurred anyhow, even if the car had been .running at a slower rate of speed after leaving State street. See 1 Thomp. Trials, § 408. It is undoubtedly true that the negligence complained of must be the proximate cause of the injury in order to entitle the party injured to recover. In other words, if excessive speed was the negligence complained of in this case, it must be shown that the speed was excessive at the point where the accident occurred, and that the accident was due to it. It is not sufficient to show that there had [439]*439been an excess of speed at some other point, and that the car would have been in a different position at the time the child reached the track if it had been running at a legal rate of speed. In such case the negligence is too remote to entitle the party to recover. But it does not appear that this question upon cross-examination was offered for the purpose of proving prior negligence with a view to recover at all, nor did the answer tend to prove any such thing. It was offered for the purpose of showing that the statement of the witness that the car could not. have been stopped, if it had been running at a legal rate of speed, in time to save the child, was not correct, and for this purpose we think it was admissible. In any event, it is not such an error as would warrant us, in view of the testimony in the case, in setting aside the verdict.
The witness Burton was asked, on cross-examination, “How far, in your, judgment, do you think the car was from the boy when he hallooed?” This was objected to as incompetent. The court overruled the objection, and permitted the witness to answer, to whiph an exception was taken. The witness had testified that he did not know how far ahead of the oar the boy was' when he was discovered, but when he first saw him he was from four to six feet ahead of the car; that before he saw him the motorman hallooed to the boy, “ Look out! ” or something to that .effect. He was then asked the question complained of. We see no objection to this question. The witness was the conductor upon the car; knew about the speed that the car was running, and about the space it would pass over inf a given period of time. He heard the motorman halloo, and, within a certain length of time after, he saw the child from four to six feet ahead of the car. Of course, he does not know whether the child had changed its position or not in the meantime. He did know approximately how far or how much the car had [440]*440changed its position, and could give a reasonably accurate opinion as to the relative positions of the child and the car at the time the motorman shouted to him. Especially is this true in view of the fact that the space of time between the time the motorman shouted and the time when he saw the child was exceedingly slight, and the distance covered by the car, even, was great. The witness answered that the child was probably from 10 to 15 feet from the car when the motorman shouted to him, showing that, although the car was running at not less than 11.96 miles per hour, it had only progressed from 6 to 9 feet during the time intervening between the shout and the time when he saw the child. We think that there was no error in admitting this testimony.
The only two remaining assignments of error that are discussed by the appellant relate to the instructions, and the first is that the court assumed that the place of the accident was in a thickly settled portion of the city, which the evidence did not show, and which was a question’ for the jury. It seems to us that this objection is exceedingly technical, in the light of the evidence. The testimony tended to show that the street was built up in the .vicinity where the accident occurred. While there is no •express statement by any witness that it is thickly settled, there are numerous statements as to the different buildings .and dwellings situate on different sides of the street at the point where the accident occurred. We think that this assumption by the court that it was in a thickly-settled portion of the city, if it be treated as an assumption, could not have misled the jury.
The next instruction complained of is that the court instructed the jury that the running of the car at the rate of speed forbidden by the city ordinance was negligence per se. There was no attempt to explain or excuse the excessive speed of this car upon the day of the-accident [441]*441and at the time of the accident. We think the true rule is as stated by Shearman & Redfield on Negligence (volume 1, § 467), that the running of trains in violation of a statute or ordinance regulating the speed of trains, if left without explanation or excuse, is conclusive proof of negligence. Where there is no attempt at explanation, it certainly could not be misleading to the jury to say to them that such excessive speed is negligence per se, because there is certainly no difference in the effect of this language, and language which would state to them that this proof constituted conclusive proof of negligence. The authorities are conflicting upon the question as to whether or not the act is negligence per se or merely evidence of negligence, but, as we say, the true rule seems to be that it is evidence of the negligence only, but that that evidence is conclusive when no explanation is given. In the case at bar there was no attempt at explanation, and we think the instruction could not have misled the jury.
This disposes of each of the questions raised by the appellant upon this appeal, except the general discussion upon a request of the defendant for an instruction to find for the defendant. This we think we have sufficiently discussed in passing upon the sufficiency of the evidence to justify the verdict. Considering the age of the deceased, and all the surrounding circumstances of the case, we think the verdict for $5,000 exceeds by $2,000 the amount which plaintiff is shown to be entitled to as damages in this case, and, unless the plaintiff will consent to reduce the judgment to the sum of $3,000, the judgment should be reversed. If such consent is given forthwith, then in that case ’ the judgment is affirmed to the amount of $3,000 and costs, with interest from this date. We find .no other error in the record.