MEMORANDUM AND ORDER
NEAHER, District Judge.
Defendants have moved under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 60(b) (“Rule 60(b)”) for relief from judgment. Plaintiff initially joined but now resists that request. Having reviewed the record, the opposing submissions and the applicable law, the Court denied the motion.
After briefly describing this suit’s contentious prejudgment history, the Court will focus in more detail on the post-judgment period, which is germane to the Rule 60(b) motion. With those later circumstances thus highlighted, the Court will present its reasoning for refusing relief.
Following that principal discussion section, the Court will direct the parties toward resolution of an unrelated matter, the prejudgment interest rate.
Case Background
Prejudgment
In 1979, plaintiff Orshan brought suit charging that defendants Board of Education of the City of New York and certain administrators (in the aggregate, “the City”) violated specific constitutional and statutory provisions.1 Simply described, Orshan maintained that the City transgressed his protected rights by not recognizing his tenure as a high school principal.
Despite the multiple constitutional and statutory grounds asserted,' Orshan’s suit was pared down substantially by two published decisions addressing motions for summary judgment. See Orshan v. Anker, 489 F.Supp. 820 (E.D.N.Y.1980); Or-shan v. Anker, 550 F.Supp. 538 (E.D.N.Y. 1982).
Nevertheless, as the Court held in the second decision, Orshan did establish a legal injury under one theory:
“[Pjlaintiff acquired tenure as a day high school principal by estoppel, and ... his demotion in 1978 without a hearing as required by N.Y. Educ. Law § 3031 (McKinney 1978) violated the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”
Id. at 543.
Liability thereby fixed, damages (if any) remained for ascertainment. For that limited purpose, a trial was held. On March 25, 1983, the jury returned a $68,000 verdict for Orshan but, at the same time, found that he had not been forced to retire, which precluded an award for damages incurred after retirement.
[536]*536Neither side was satisfied with that outcome; consequently, both petitioned for a new trial. So, by yet a third published decision, the Court on September 7, 1983 sustained the jury verdict concluding that:
“[Pjlaintiff is entitled to judgment in the amount of $68,000 with interest from the date of retirement and an order directing the Board of Education, within thirty (30) days of the date hereof, to amend plaintiff’s personnel records so as to reflect his status at retirement as that of a day high school principal, and to supply the New York City Teachers Retirement System with corrected payment records so that plaintiff's pension is appropriately readjusted.
Forms of proposed final judgment shall be submitted no later than twenty (20) days from the date hereof.”
Orshan v. Macchiarola, 570 F.Supp. 620, 627 (E.D.N.Y.1983).
Postjudgment
That brings to the fore the period having particular significance for the instant motion. As instructed, Orshan submitted his proposed judgment on September 27, 1983. The next day, the City tendered its version, which the Court approved. Promptly, the judgment was docketed by the clerk and became final the same day, September 28, 1983. But, contravening Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 77(d) (“Rule 77(d)”), the clerk failed to mail copies of the approved order to the parties. Still, the New York Law Journal (“NYU”) did contain a notice on September 30, 1983 that the order had been signed. Neither party saw that announcement.
Absent those notifications, the parties were indirectly led (or lulled) into believing by other circumstances that judgment had not been formally rendered. For instance, each side knew that the other desired appellate review but no appeal notices were received. Similarly, the City was aware that Frederic Gross and Alan Aslaksen, plaintiff’s counsel, would seek attorneys’ fees, but they made no such applications.
In addition, Orshan’s pension records that were to be corrected had not been. Finally, discovering that his mail was not being forwarded from a previous office, Mr. Gross had his paralegal contact all courts where he had pending suits regarding their status. After inquiring here, the paralegal informed Mr. Gross that “this Court had taken no action.” March 19, 1984 Affidavit of Frederic Gross, at 1.
In early March 1984, each side learned that judgment, indeed, had been entered on September 28, 1983. Time-barred from appealing under Federal Rule of Appellate Prodecure 4(a) (“Rule 4(a)”), the parties filed a joint application under Rule 60(b) to vacate and re-enter the judgment, which (if granted) would start the appellate clock running again. Later, however, feeling that this suit had remained unresolved too long, Orshan withdrew his support and submitted an opposition.
Thus, with those postjudgment circumstances particularly in mind, the Court turns to the legal discussion of the City’s Rule 60(b) motion.
Discussion
Motion to Vacate and Re-enter Judgment
The City’s motion involves the interrelationship among three already mentioned procedural rules:
Rule 77(d)
“Immediately upon the entry of ... judgment the clerk shall serve a notice of the entry by mail :.. upon each party____ ... Lack of notice of the entry by the clerk does not affect the time to appeal ... or authorize the court to relieve a party for failure to appeal within the time allowed, except as permitted in Rule 4(a) of the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure.”
Rule 4(a)
“(1) In a civil case ... the notice of appeal ... shall be filed ... within 30 days after the date of entry of the judg-ment____
[537]*537(5) The district court, upon a showing of excusable neglect or good cause, may extend the time for filing a notice of appeal upon motion filed not later than 30 days after the expiration of the time prescribed by this Rule 4(a)---- No such extension shall exceed 30 days past such prescribed time or 10 days from the date of entry of the order granting the motion, whichever occurs later.”
Rule 60(b)
“On motion ..., the court may relieve a party ... from a final judgment, ... for the following reasons: (1) mistake, inadvertence, surprise or excusable neglect; ... or (6) other reason justifying relief from operation of the judgment.”
Relief under Rule 4(a) or Rule 60(b) permits an otherwise time-barred appeal. And, a clerk’s failure to give Rule 77(d) notice coupled with other absolving facts may constitute grounds for a Rule 4(a) 30 day extension or a Rule 60(b) judgment vacatur and re-entry. See, e.g., Mennen Co. v. Gillette Co., 719 F.2d 568, 570 (2d Cir.1983) (Rule 4(a) relief should have been allowed where, contrary to the district court’s own direction, the clerk—evidently without notifying the parties—entered judgment approximately two weeks before it was formally rendered.); Cavalliotis v. Salomon, 357 F.2d 157, 159 (2d Cir.1966) (A Rule 60(b) motion should have been granted where the clerk misaddressed the judgment notice to plaintiff, who was not otherwise aware that a dismissal had been entered. That unawareness, perhaps, was partially traceable “to the knowing silence of ... defendants____”).
Still, while the showings for Rules 4(a) and 60(b) may be similar (e.g., each allows redress on a demonstration of “excusable neglect”), they are not the same, especially when a Rule 77(d) failure to notify is the primary justification. Indeed, as in this suit, where the application is (and can only be) brought via Rule 60(b), the test is “somewhat more stringent” than under Rule 4(a). Mennen Co. v. Gillette Co., 719 F.2d at 570 n. 5.
Hence, a Rule 77(d) clerical mistake alone is probably insufficient to secure a Rule 4(a) extension. See 7—Pt. 2 J. Moore, J. Lucas & K. Sinclair, Jr., Moore’s Federal Practice ¶177.05 (2d ed. 1984) (“[Ejven though the party discovers the entry of judgment after 30 days and before 60 days have run, the mere fact that the clerk did not send notice under Rule 77(d) does not establish ‘excusable neglect.’ ... It has been held, however, that where the clerk mails an erroneous ... notice, an appeal is timely if taken within 30 days of the time stated in the notice or reasonably inferable from its terms.”) (footnotes omitted).
At any rate, in line with the “somewhat more stringent” standard, such an error by itself will not justify Rule 60(b) vacatur and re-entry. See Hensley v. Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Co., 651 F.2d 226, 229 (4th Cir.1981) (“The courts have uniformly held that Rule 77(d) bars Rule 60(b) relief when the sole reason asserted ... is the failure ... to receive notice of the entry of ... judgment.”) (emphasis in original).
That nonascription of overriding import to a Rule 77(d) violation, particularly in relation to a Rule 60(b) petition, is both purposeful and necessary. To elaborate, not only Rule 77(d)’s plain language (“[l]ack of notice ... by the clerk does not affect the time to appeal”) but its unequivocal legislative history manifest the drafters’ intent:
“Notification by the clerk is merely for the convenience of litigants. And lack of such notification in itself has no effect upon the time for appeal____ It would, therefore, be entirely unsafe for a party to rely on absence of notice____”
Rule 77(d), 1946 Advisory Committee Note. See also Wilson v. Atwood Group, 725 F.2d 255, 258 (5th Cir.1984) (en banc), cert. dismissed, — U.S. —, 105 S.Ct. 17, 82 L.Ed.2d 812 (1984) (“Rule 77(d) evinces a decision by the Advisory Committee and by the Supreme Court, in adopting the Committee’s recommendation, to choose a simple inexorable mandate over a flexible rule.”); In re Morrow, 502 F.2d 520, 523 (5th Cir.1974) (“To permit an appeal where [538]*538there is failure to notify, without more, would be opposed to the clear wording and intent of Rule 77(d).”), quoted in Mizell v. Attorney General of New York, 586 F.2d 942, 944-45 n. 2 (2d Cir.1978), cert. denied, 440 U.S. 967, 99 S.Ct. 1519, 59 L.Ed.2d 783 (1979).
Further, the caselaw has perceived Rule 77(d)’s purposeful circumscription as necessary to protect Rule 4(a). See Hensley v. Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Co., 651 F.2d at 227-28 (“[EJxcept upon ... unique circumstances, Fed.R.Civ.P. 60(b) may not be used to avoid the mandate of Fed.R.Civ.P. 77(d) that the lack of notice of entry of judgment does not affect the time to appeal prescribed in Fed.R.Civ.P. 4(a)........ The time requirements of Rule 4(a) are both mandatory and jurisdictional____ The policy behind this rigorous application of the rules ... is the important one of defining some ascertainable end to litigation so that litigants may order their affairs accordingly.”).
More to the point, the caselaw has discerned that, were Rule 77(d) drafted differently, Rule 60(b) could well play havoc on Rule 4(a) (and the finality of judgments) by making its appellate time constraints too easily relaxed. See Mennen Co. v. Gillette Co., 719 F.2d at 570 n. 5 (In a case involving Rule 77(d) clerical mistakes, the Second Circuit—after pointing out that Rule 60(b)’s criteria was stricter than Rule 4(a)’s —added that “were this not so, the binding time constraints imposed by Rule 4(a)(5) would be. completely eroded by the open-ended relief offered by Rule 60(b).”).
Quite in accord with Rule 77(d)’s purposeful and necessary delimiting, the Second Circuit, as indicated, has taken in dicta a deterring view when a clerk’s failure to notify is urged as the primary reason for a Rule 60(b) vacatur and .re-entry. Specifically, in Mizell v. Attorney General of New York, 586 F.2d at 944-45 n. 2, the Second Circuit observed:
“[PJrior decisions indicate that a Rule 60(b)(6) motion may not be granted absent some showing of diligent effort by counsel to ascertain the status of the case. In Radack v. Norwegian America Line Agency, Inc., 318 F.2d 538, 542 (2d Cir.1963), we stated:
‘[LJack of notice does not ipso facto mean that a judgment must, can or should be reopened ... [Rule 60(b)(6) ] cannot be used to circumvent ... Rulé 77(d)....’”
(emphasis added). See Wilson v. Atwood Group, 725 F.2d at 258 (“[TJhe Second Circuit [in Mizell] has rejected this effort to circumvent rule 77(d)____”); Hensley v. Chesapeake & Ohio Railway Co., 651 F.2d at 230 (“[TJhe Second Circuit has aptly noted that the courts that have found ‘unique circumstances’ meriting the avoidance of Rule 77(d) ... ‘have required more than the mere failure to notify the parties that judgment has been entered.’ ”) (quoting Mizell v. Attorney General of New York, 586 F.2d at 944-45 n. 2).
Later, the Second Circuit in Mennen Co. v. Gillette Co., 719 F.2d at 570 n. 5 reaffirmed that earlier observation:
“This Court has suggested in dicta that a 60(b) applicant must go beyond the -requirement of excusable neglect and make an additional ‘showing of diligent effort by counsel to ascertain the status of the case.’ ... [citing Mizell J ... In sum, a party must show an affirmative if ultimately fruitless effort to track the progress of its litigation, not merely an acceptable excuse for failure to do so.”
(emphasis added).
In neither Mizell nor Mennen was the Second Circuit called upon to delineate the “diligent effort” showing for Rule 60(b) relief when a Rule 77(d) error is the basic ground asserted. Thus, in doing so anyway, the Second Circuit’s comments were acknowledged dicta.2
[539]*539Nonetheless, it is certainly noteworthy that the Second Circuit was constrained to make those remarks. More particularly, by offering those observations, it expressed a decided predisposition and, importantly, extended helpful guidance to lower courts confronted, as here, with Rule 60(b)-Rule 77(d) motions.
Accordingly, this Court believes that the Second Circuit if squarely presented with the showing question would—consistent with its Mizell and Mennen inclination and teaching—charge a Rule 60(b) movant, principally urging a Rule 77(d) error, with an independent demonstration of “diligent effort” in monitoring the suit. Mizell v. Attorney General of New York, 586 F.2d at 944-45 n. 2; Mennen Co. v. Gillette Co., 719 F.2d at 570 n. 5. And, absent such affirmative industry, a clerk’s failure to notify would not warrant Rule 60(b) relief.
The Court, therefore, requires the mov-ant City to assume the burden of “diligent effort” demonstration. And, measuring the City’s postjudgment performance against that probable gauge, the Court finds that the City has not met its burden. To the contrary, the City passively oversaw this case from late September 1983 to early March 1984.
Specifically, the City missed the September 30, 1983 NYU posting. In the immediately succeeding months, it took no evident direct steps to ascertain this suit’s posture. Rather, the City (as did plaintiff) relied on indirect indicia that judgment was still jointly being awaited, i.e., no notices of appeal had been received, the pension records had not been changed, attorneys’ fees applications had not been made, etc.
Significantly, not until January 1984 (well outside the Rule 4(a) time period) was the first overt attempt made to learn this case’s status. That action was taken by the (now) nonmovant. Then, Mr. Gross, realizing that his mail was not being forwarded, instructed his paralegal to contact all courts where he had pending matters. Even accepting that misinformation was given, the City was apparently unaware of the incorrect status.3
In any event, the City—the sole movant at present—notably does not maintain that [540]*540it ever inquired.4 See Mizell v. Attorney General of New York, 586 F.2d at 944-45 n. 2 (“[T]he courts have insisted' on a showing that counsel has diligently attempted to discharge the duty implicit in Fed.R.Civ.P. 77(d) by making inquiries to discover the status of the case.”); Mennen Co. v. Gillette Co., 719 F.2d at 570 (“[I]t is customarily the duty of trial counsel to monitor the docket and to advise himself when the court enters an order against which he wishes to protest.”).
This passivity is the more striking by its implicit failure to expect a prompt judgment entry. By September 28, 1983, two motions for summary judgment had been decided, a jury trial ended and new trial motions denied. Apart from signing a proposed judgment, nothing substantive remained preventing the rapid—if ministerial—closing of this case, at least as to its merits. The Court, in short, is at a loss to understand why a quick disposition was not anticipated.
Be that as it may, boiled down, all the City can offer towards Rule 60(b) relief is the clerk’s omission. But, as seen by Rule 77(d)’s clear language, legislative history and explanatory caselaw, the clerk’s breach is not enough. See Wilson v. Atwood Group, 725 F.2d at 257 (Despite being handled by three different judges and despite the clerk not informing third party defendants that judgment has been entered, they were not excused from timely filing an appeal. In so finding, the Fifth Circuit remarked, “[Rule 77(d)] is strict, but its meaning and purpose are plain.”).
The City’s showing, in sum, does not comport with the Second Circuit’s perceived “diligent effort” imperative. Mizell v. Attorney General of New York, 586 F.2d at 944-45 n. 2; Mennen Co. v. Gillette Co., 719 F.2d at 570 n. 5. Cf. Smith v. Jackson Tool & Die, Inc., 426 F.2d 5, 8 (5th Cir.1970) (The district court circulated its opinion without initially entering judgment. After being notified by his office, one attorney, who was out of the country, had a letter sent requesting that judgment be delayed thirty days allowing his return and opinion review for probable appeal. Opposing counsel had no objection. The district court entered judgment with the attorney still away; and the clerk failed to send notices. The district court’s subsequent vacatur was not an abuse of discretion “but in accord with the spirit and import of Rule 60.”).
To close this discussion, ■ in deference to the integrity of the soundly based and interrelated federal procedural rules, the Court cannot regard the City’s motion to vacate and re-enter judgment as meritorious. It, accordingly, must be denied.
Prejudgment Interest
This matter, though affecting the recovery amount, is but a loose end. In the September 28, 1983 order, the Court granted plaintiff interest on damages from his October 1, 1980 retirement date. That award necessarily includes both pre and post judgment interest. The order, however, did not specify the respective rates for those periods.
That omission does not leave the post-judgment award unsettled because 28 U.S.C. § 1961 not only makes such interest mandatory but details the applicable rate:
“(a) Interest shall be allowed on any money judgment in a civil case recovered in a district court____ Such interest shall be calculated from the date of the entry of the judgment, at a rate equal to the coupon issue yield equivalent (as determined by the Secretary of the Treasury) of the average accepted auction price for the last auction of fifty-two week United States Treasury bills settled immediately prior to the date of the judgment.
(b) Interest shall be computed daily to the date of payment ... and shall be compounded annually.”
[541]*541That omission, though, does leave the prejudgment award unsettled because § 1961 says nothing about such recovery, viz., whether interest is allowed and, if so, at what standard.
Notwithstanding that silence, the caselaw has answered the first question by entrusting the determination to award prejudgment interest to the district court’s discretion. See Waterside Ocean Navigation Co. v. International Navigation Ltd., 737 F.2d 150, 153 (2d Cir.1984) (“[W]e have repeatedly recognized the power of district courts to award prejudgment interest.”); Lodges 743 and 1746, International Association of Machinists v. United Aircraft Corp., 534 F.2d 422, 446 (2d Cir.1975), cert. denied, 429 U.S. 825, 97 S.Ct. 79, 50 L.Ed.2d 87 (1976) (“Whether to award prejudgment interest in cases arising under federal law has in the absence of a statutory directive been placed in the sound discretion of the district courts.”). See also Bricklayers’ Pension Trust Fund v. Taiariol, 671 F.2d 988, 989 (6th Cir.1982) (“Other circuits which have expressly considered this question have found no impediment in section 1961 to the awarding of prejudgment interest.”) (citing Lodges 743 and 1746 and decisions from various jurisdictions).
This Court, as seen, has already exercised its discretion by granting prejudgment interest. To be sure, that allowance is consistent with the Second Circuit’s pronouncements. See, e.g., Waterside Ocean Navigation Co., v. International Navigation Ltd., 737 F.2d at 154 (“In these days ... of inflation, ... only if such [prejudgment] interest is awarded will a person wrongfully deprived of his money be made whole for the loss.”).
Yet, the rate question lingers. Moreover, its precise answer is not as readily gleaned from the caselaw. See Donovan v. Freeway Construction Co., 551 F.Supp. 869, 881 (D.R.I.1982) (“The rate of interest, absent statutory directive, is left to the court’s discretion.”). See generally Note, Prejudgment Interest as Damages: New Application of an Old Theory, 15 Stan.L. Rev. 107, 107 (1962) (“The subject of interest as damages has received rather cursory treatment in judicial decisions because of the natural preoccupation of court and counsel with the larger issue of liability.”) (footnote omitted) (“Note, Prejudgment Interest ”).
So, while authorizing prejudgment interest, the Second Circuit has addressed the suitable rate but generally by observing, for instance, in Lodges 743 and 1746; International Association of Machinists v. United Aircraft Corp., 534 F.2d at 446 that:
“[W]hether to award prejudgment interest is governed by federal law, although it may be proper, as a matter of convenience to look to state law in order to determine the appropriate rate.”
(footnote omitted). But see infra note 6.
Later, in Rolf v. Blyth, Eastman Dillon & Co., 637 F.2d 77, 87 (2d Cir.1980), the Second Circuit stated:
“An award of prejudgment interest is in the first instance, compensatory____
In addition to the compensatory principle, awards of prejudgment interest are governed by fundamental considerations of fairness.”
Those comments apply to federal question cases such as this suit, Orshan having prevailed under 42 U.S.C. § 1983. But general applicability aside, those broad guidelines do not settle the specific rate.5
Conceivably, § 1961 could still be (or at least be presumed) the most suitable refer-[542]*542exit.6 See generally Note, Prejudgment Interest 15 Stan.L.Rev. at 112 n. 29 (“A possible compromise between the fixed rate and the flexible determination would be to award interest at the statutory rate [not specifically referring to § 1961] subject to proof that some other rate would be better. The presumption in favor of the statutory rate would reduce the possibility of discriminatory results, and the fact that the burden of proof would be on the party desiring to show a better rate would ensure the introduction of enough evidence to put the determination on a judicially reviewable basis.”).
Nevertheless, utilizing the State of New York’s prejudgment interest rate (currently 9% under N.Y.Civ.Prac.Law § 5004 (McKinney Supp. 1984-85)) for Orshan’s § 1983 claim cannot at this time be precluded. See Strobl v. New York Mercantile Exchange, 590 F.Supp. 875, 883 (S.D.N.Y. 1984) (The district court employed § 5004’s 9% prejudgment interest rate for a common law fraud claim and for a Commodity Exchange Act claim.).7
Nor, for that matter, can another fair and compensation oriented rate. See Rolf v. Blyth, Eastman Dillon & Co., 637 F.2d at 87 (In a securities fraud case, the Second Circuit instructed that on remand 7% prejudgment interest should be assigned, which was the same “rate ... used by the district court in connection with [its previous] award of damages for commissions ____”).
At this point, though, the Court will not designate the standard because, while mentioned in conference, the parties have not formally dealt with the question. Accordingly, they are to submit within fourteen days simultaneous briefs with supporting legal authority treating the issue of the proper prejudgment interest rate. Optional responses will be due within seven days thereafter.
Alternatively, the parties could expedite the resolution of this dangling matter by agreeing on the appropriate standard. If able to do so, they are to tender within fourteen days (in lieu of briefs) á stipulation specifying the rate(s) covering the prejudgment period(s).8
In either instance, whether proceeding by briefs or stipulation, the parties are to be guided by the foregoing exposition as supplemented by their research.
Conclusion
To recapitulate the preceding discussion, defendants’ Rule 60(b) motion is denied and the parties are directed to submit briefs or a stipulation concerning the prejudgment [543]*543interest rate on or before the date schedule specified.
SO ORDERED.