MEMORANDUM OF DECISION
TERRY L. MYERS, Chief Judge.
Before the Court are two adversary proceedings filed by Jim and Debra Murray and Boise Island Park, LLC against joint chapter 7 debtors Randy Woodman and Rachel Lawrence (“Debtors”) seeking to except from Debtors’ discharge certain alleged debts under §§ 523(a)(2), (a)(4), and (a)(6).
The adversary proceedings were tried in a consolidated fashion and then taken under advisement. This Memorandum of Decision disposes of the matters and constitutes the Court’s findings of fact and conclusions of law under Rule 7052.
FACTS
A.Idaho Real Estate Recyclers, LLC
Debtors are married, but were separated at the time of trial. In March 2004, they organized Revolution 1.5, a limited liability company. Debtors each owned a 50% membership interest in the company. Shortly thereafter, they organized a second limited liability company, Idaho Real Estate Recyclers, LLC (“Recyclers”), with Revolution 1.5 as its sole member. Later, In Flow, LLC (“In Flow”), a one-member limited liability company owned by Stacy McBain, Woodman’s business partner, was also added as a member of Recyclers. Revolution 1.5 owned a 52.5% membership interest in Recyclers while In Flow held a 47.5% interest. Revolution 1.5 was the managing member.
Recyclers was created as a vehicle for purchasing and selling real estate. Debtors and McBain would organize an LLC, with Recyclers as a member, for the purpose of purchasing and holding an identified parcel of real property. They then solicited potential “investors” who, in exchange for their investment, received membership interests in the LLC, and the LLC would then purchase and hold the property. Investors hoped to receive a return in the form of a rental income stream or, in the case of a subsequent sale, proceeds from equity created by appreciation or improvements made to the property, either return being based on the proportion of their respective membership interests in the LLC.
B. Lawrence & Associates, LLC
In addition to its interest in Recyclers, Revolution 1.5 also owned a 55% membership interest in Lawrence
&
Associates, LLC, a property management company Debtors organized in April 2005. Lawrence
&
Associates managed residential and commercial real properties, entering into leases, collecting rents, and arranging for or otherwise providing maintenance for the owners of those properties. McBain, through a wholly owned limited liability company named Stacy McBain, LLC, owned the other 45% interest in Lawrence & Associates.
C. The Murrays and Tubac, LLC
Some time in late 2007 or early 2008, Carla Gardner, an employee of Recyclers,
circulated a proposal via e-mail regarding a potential investment property located in Tubac, Arizona. The proposal included a general description of the property (a townhouse), the estimated costs associated with the investment, and an estimated return. Jim and Debra Murray, who had previously invested in another property with Recyclers,
were among the e-mail recipients. The Murrays expressed interest and eventually invested in the project, sending a $42,600 check in March 2008. In return Mr. Murray received a 49% membership interest in Tubac, LLC (“Tu-bac”), the entity that had been created to purchase and hold the Tubac property. Recyclers held the other 51% membership interest in Tubac.
The funds contributed by the Murrays were placed in a separate bank account established for Tubac. Other than the Murrays’ $42,600, no other deposits were made into the Tubac account. On the day the funds were deposited, March 11, 2008, two checks were drawn on the account— one for $5,000, and a second for $7,088. According to Debtors, the $5,000 was used as a down payment on the Tubac property, and the $7,083 was drawn as compensation for services provided by Recyclers.
Negotiations for purchase of the property ensued. At least one offer was made on the Tubac property in May 2008, but Debtors, individually or through their business entities, were unable to secure adequate financing to consummate a sale.
Meanwhile, unbeknownst to the Mur-rays, Debtors transferred funds from the Tubac account to Lawrence & Associates’ general business account, from which they then paid various expenses for several closely-held businesses in which they held ownership interests, albeit indirectly through their LLC entities. Between March 19 and April 22, 2008, Debtors transferred $29,800 from the Tubac account, leaving a balance of only $717.
After attempts to purchase the Tubac property proved unsuccessful, the Murrays were approached about loaning the money they had contributed to Tubac to other Debtor-related entities, including Lawrence & Associates, as an alternative investment. The Murrays declined the offer and requested a refund of their investment. Both Debtor Rachel Lawrence and Carla Gardner, acting as an employee of Recyclers and at the direction of Debtor Randy Woodman, assured the Murrays that they would be refunded their capital contribution in Tubac. Despite these representations, the Murrays never received a refund.
D. Boise Island Park, LLC
In September 2007, Lawrence & Associates entered into a property management contract with Boise Island Park, LLC (“Boise Island”) to manage Riviera Estates, a mobile home park in Eagle, Idaho owned by Boise Island. Ex. 105 (“Agreement”). Under the Agreement, Lawrence & Associates agreed to execute rental agreements and collect rents, security deposits, and other receipts on behalf of Boise Island. The Agreement further provided that Lawrence & Associates would pay expenses associated with the property (excluding mortgage payments, taxes and insurance) and provide Boise Island a monthly statement of bills paid. After deducting the expenses paid and a management fee equal to 5% of the gross monthly rent receipts, Lawrence & Associates was required, on a monthly basis, to
remit to Boise Island the remaining net funds.
Id.
Zachary Gingg, a principal of Boise Island, testified that generally he received a check and statement from Lawrence & Associates around the 15th of each month.
In August 2008, Boise Island did not receive a check for the July rents and security deposits or a statement of expenses paid. Gingg contacted Lawrence
&
Associates and was assured that the July rents would be forthcoming. Gingg never received the July rents and at the end of August he was informed that Lawrence & Associates was ceasing operations. In addition to the July rents, Boise Island never received the rents and deposits collected by Lawrence
&
Associates for the month of August. According to the evidence presented at trial, the gross amount collected for July and August totaled $38,025.
E. Bankruptcy filings
Lawrence & Associates ceased operating the end of August 2008, and filed a chapter 7 bankruptcy on November 21, 2008. Debtors later filed their joint petition for chapter 7 relief on July 18, 2009. The Murrays and Boise Island, through this proceeding, seek to have the debts allegedly owed them by Debtors declared nondis-chargeable under § 523(a)(2), (a)(4), or (a)(6).
DISCUSSION AND DISPOSITION
A. Section 523(a)(2)(A)
Section 523(a)(2)(A) excepts from an individual debtor’s discharge any debt for money, property, services or credit, to the extent obtained by false pretenses, a false representation, or actual fraud.
See, e.g., Ghomeshi v. Sabban (In re Sabban),
600 F.3d 1219, 1222 (9th Cir.2010). A creditor asserting a claim under § 523(a)(2)(A) bears the burden of proving, by a preponderance of the evidence, five elements: (1) the debtor made representations; (2) that at the time he knew were false; (3) that he made them with the intention and purpose of deceiving the creditor; (4) that the creditor relied on such representations; and (5) that the creditor sustained the alleged loss and damage as the proximate result of the misrepresentations having been made.
Id.
(citing
Am. Express Travel Related Servs. Co. v. Hashemi (In re Hashemi),
104 F.3d 1122, 1125 (9th Cir.1996)).
Neither Murray nor Boise Island have shown that Debtors made representations that at the time Debtors knew were false and that were intended to deceive. Murray points to the assurances he received from Lawrence and Gardner, at the direction of Woodman, that his contribution to Tubac would be refunded as false representations supporting a § 523(a)(2)(A)
claim. Similarly, Boise Island contends that the assurances Gingg was given that he would receive payment for the July rent and deposit receipts constitute false representations for purposes of § 523(a)(2)(A).
A promise made without a present intent to perform satisfies § 523(a)(2)(A), as does a representation which the debtor knew or should have known was outside of the debtor’s prospective ability to perform.
McCrary v. Barrack (In re Barrack),
217 B.R. 598, 606 (9th Cir.BAP1998);
Wells Fargo Bank, N.A. v. Covino (In re Covino),
04.3 I.B.C.R. 98, 104 (Bankr.D.Idaho 2004) (quoting
Bell v. Smith (In re Smith),
232 B.R. 461, 466 (Bankr.D.Idaho 1998)). However, there was no evidence that Debtors did not, in fact, intend to pay Murray or Boise Island when they promised them payment. To the contrary, Debtors’ testimony was that their intent was to pay Murray and Boise Island with money they expected to receive from either the sale of other investment properties or Lawrence & Associates’ accounts receivable. Nor did Plaintiffs present any evidence to show Debtors knew or should have known they lacked the prospective ability to perform on their promises.
Because Plaintiffs have not demonstrated that Debtors’ intended to deceive them with their representations of future payment, their causes of action under § 523(a)(2)(A) will be dismissed.
B. Section 523(a)(4)
Section 523(a)(4) excepts from discharge debts that arise from “fraud or defalcation while acting in a fiduciary capacity, embezzlement, or larceny.” Plaintiffs do not claim Debtors committed larceny,
but do contend the alleged debts at issue in this proceeding arose from Debtors’ fraud or defalcation while acting in a fiduciary capacity or, in the alternative, from Debtors’ embezzlement of funds.
1. Fraud or defalcation while acting in a fiduciary capacity
To prevail on a cause of action under § 523(a)(4) Plaintiffs must not only show Debtors’ fraud or defalcation, but also that Debtors were acting in a fiduciary capacity when they committed the fraud or defalcation.
See Teichman v. Teicman (In re Teichman),
774 F.2d 1395, 1398 (9th Cir.1985).
The definition of “fiduciary capacity” under § 523(a)(4) is a narrow one and is governed by federal law:
The broad, general definition of fiduciary—a relationship involving confidence, trust and good faith—is inapplicable in the dischargeability context.... The fiduciary relationship must be one arising from an express or technical trust that was imposed before and without reference to the wrongdoing that caused the debt.
Cal-Micro, Inc. v. Cantrell (In re Cantrell),
329 F.3d 1119, 1125 (9th Cir.2003) (internal citations omitted). These requirements exclude constructive, resulting or implied trusts.
See Ragsdale v. Haller,
780 F.2d 794, 796 (9th Cir.1986) (citing
Runnion v. Pedrazzini (In re Pedrazzini),
644 F.2d 756, 759 (9th Cir.1981)).
Additionally, while the meaning of “fiduciary capacity” is a question of federal law, state law is to be consulted to ascertain whether the requisite fiduciary relationship exists.
Cantrell,
829 F.3d at 1125 (9th Cir.2003) (citing
Lewis v. Scott (In re Lewis),
97 F.3d 1182, 1185 (9th Cir.1996)).
a. Debtors were not acting in a fiduciary capacity with respect to Murray
The Murrays do not claim that an express trust existed between them and Debtors. Rather, they contend that under Idaho law members of an LLC are trustees with respect to LLC assets. Therefore, they argue, Debtors, as the individuals controlling Recyclers, were acting in a fiduciary capacity with respect to Murray — the only other member of Tubac— when they transferred the funds out of the Tubac account.
To examine the nature of the relationship between LLC members the Court first looks to the applicable statutory framework. Section 53-622 of the Idaho Limited Liability Company Act, Idaho Code §§ 53-601 to -672 (2009) (the “Act”),
provides:
Every member and manager must account
to the limited liability company
and
hold as trustee for it
any profit or benefit derived by that person without the consent of more than one-half
Qk)
by number of the disinterested managers or members, or other persons participating in the management of the business or affairs of the limited liability company, from:
(a) Any transaction connected with the conduct or winding up of the limited liability company; or
(b) Any use by the member or manager of its property, including, but not limited to, confidential or proprietary information of the limited liability company or other matters entrusted to the person as a result of his status as manager or member.
Idaho Code § 53-622(2) (2009) (emphasis added).
The Ninth Circuit considered language similar to that contained in Idaho Code § 53-622(2) in
Ragsdale,
a case in which the court was tasked with determining whether, under California law, partners acted in a fiduciary capacity toward each other for purposes of § 523(a)(4). 780 F.2d at 795-97. The provision at issue there, Cal. Corp.Code § 15021 (1977), provided:
Every partner must account
to the partnership
for any benefit, and
hold as trustee for it
any profits derived by him without the consent of the other part-
tiers from any transaction connected with the formation, conduct, or liquidation of the partnership or from any use by him of its property.
Id.
at 796 (emphasis added).
Ragsdale
concluded that the California code provision did not establish the fiduciary relationship required by § 523(a)(4), noting that the statute created a trust only when a partner derived profits without consent of the partnership; just the sort of trust
ex maleficio
that courts, including the United States Supreme Court, had found to be outside the purview of § 523(a)(4).
Id.
(citing
Davis v. Aetna Acceptance Co.,
293 U.S. 328, 333, 55 S.Ct. 151, 79 L.Ed. 393 (1934);
Teichman,
774 F.2d at 1399).
However, the
Ragsdale
court went on to find that California case law had made all partners trustees over the assets of the partnership, thereby elevating the duties of partners beyond those required by the literal wording of the statute. Relying on these state court decisions, the panel held that in California partners were fiduciaries within the meaning of § 523(a)(4).
Id.
at 796-97;
see also Lewis,
97 F.3d at 1185-86 (concluding Arizona law rendered partners trustees for purposes of § 523(a)(4));
Lewis v. Short (In re Short),
818 F.2d 693, 695 (9th Cir.1987) (reaching the same conclusion applying Washington law).
Ragsdale
and its progeny are instructive here. Although those decisions preclude the Court from holding that the language of Idaho Code § 53-622(2) creates the type of express trust required by § 523(a)(4), if Idaho case law has expanded the duties of LLC members to make them trustees over LLC assets, those members may qualify as fiduciaries under § 523(a)(4).
See Streibick v. Murrell (In re Murrell),
04.3 I.B.C.R. 122, 126 (Bankr.D.Idaho 2004) (turning to state case law to determine whether corporate officers and directors were fiduciaries in the absence of an express agreement or statutorily-created trust) (citing
Cantrell,
329 F.3d at 1126-28).
The Idaho Supreme Court has only recently considered the issue of fiduciary duties between LLC members.
See Bushi v. Sage Health Care, PLLC,
146 Idaho 764, 203 P.3d 694, 699-700 (2009). While finding that the Act did not expressly list any such duties, the court in
Bushi
concluded that LLC members did owe one another the fiduciary duties of trust and loyalty.
Id.
at 699. However,
Bushi
did not go so far as to deem LLC members to be trustees over LLC assets. Absent such a pronouncement, this Court declines to find Idaho LLC members are fiduciaries within the narrow meaning of § 523(a)(4).
See Ragsdale,
780 F.2d at 796 (“The broad, general definition of fiduciary — a relationship involving confidence, trust and good faith — is inapplicable in the dischargeability context.”);
Honkanen,
446 B.R. at 379 (“The mere fact that state law puts two parties in a fiduciary-like relationship does not necessarily mean it is a fiduciary relationship within 11 U.S.C. § 523(a)(4).”). Accordingly, the Court concludes that Recyclers, Debtors’ closely-held entity, was not acting in a fiduciary capacity with respect to Murray, its fellow LLC member.
b. Debtors were not acting in a fiduciary capacity with respect to Boise Island
Boise Island claims that Debtors were acting in a fiduciary capacity when they collected rent receipts on its behalf and did not remit them as required under
the property management Agreement. The Court disagrees.
The relationship between Boise Island and Debtors’ property management company was one of principal and agent. The Agreement refers to Lawrence
&
Associates as an “agent” of Boise Island. It grants Lawrence
&
Associates express authority to, on behalf of Boise Island, execute leases and rental agreements, collect rent and other receipts, and pay bills associated with the Riviera Estates property. As property manager Lawrence
&
Associates owed duties, both contractual and fiduciary, to Boise Island.
See Jordan v. Hunter,
124 Idaho 899, 865 P.2d 990 (1993) (agent owes principal fiduciary duties of good faith and fair dealing). This included the obligation to remit net monthly rent receipts to Boise Island. However, this agency relationship did not give rise to a trust under Idaho law.
See DBSI/TRI v. v. Bender,
130 Idaho 796, 948 P.2d 151, 163-64 (1997) (finding that arrangement that granted property management company exclusive management over owner’s property did not turn an agency relationship into a trust);
see also Honkanen,
446 B.R. at 379 n. 7 (noting that under California law debts due by a bankruptcy debtor in the character as an agent, among others, did not give rise to a technical trust).
Because the relationship between Debtors’ property management company, Lawrence & Associates, and Boise Island was an agency, and because such a relationship does not impose the type of trust required under § 523(a)(4), the Court concludes that Debtors were not acting in a fiduciary capacity.
2. Embezzlement
Although the Court finds that Debtors were not acting in a fiduciary capacity, its inquiry under § 523(a)(4) is not complete. Embezzlement under § 523(a)(4) does not require the existence of a fiduciary relationship.
Transamerica Commercial Fin. Corp. v. Littleton (In re Littleton),
942 F.2d 551, 555 (9th Cir.1991).
In the nondischargeability context, embezzlement is defined as “the fraudulent appropriation of property by a person to whom such property has been entrusted or into whose hands it has lawfully come.”
Id.
Thus, three elements are required to show embezzlement: “(1) property rightfully in the possession of a no-nowner; (2) nonowner’s appropriation of the property to a use other than which it was entrusted; and (3) circumstances indicating fraud.”
Id.; First Del. Life Ins. Co. v. Wada (In re Wada),
210 B.R. 572, 576 (9th Cir. BAP 1997).
a. Murray
Murray has proven the elements of embezzlement in this case. Debtors were rightfully in possession of the Tubac account funds. They had signature authority on the account and were authorized by Murray to use the $42,600 to purchase the Tubac property. When Debtors used the funds, with the exception of the $5,000 down payment, to pay themselves “compensation” for their services and to make short-term “loans” to their other business entities, through Lawrence & Associates, Debtors appropriated that money for a use other than that for which it was entrusted.
Despite Debtors’ argument to the contrary, the payments made from the Tubac
account were not allowed by the Tubac operating agreement.. Per the agreement, payment of compensation to managing members and the disposition of LLC assets, including the commingling of LLC funds with those of another entity, required the agreement of a majority of the members,
see
Ex. 130 §§ 4.18.1, 4.15
&
4.16,
with “majority” meaning “a number more than one half the total Members.”
Id.
§ 1.20. Tubac consisted of two members — Recyclers and Murray. Thus both members were needed to constitute a majority.
However, Murray was never informed of, and thus did not agree to, the purported compensation or the loans to Debtors’ other closely-held entities. Indeed, when attempts to acquire the Tubac property failed and Debtors approached Murray about possibly loaning money to their other businesses — all this after Debtors had already transferred the funds out of the Tubac account — Murray rejected their proposal. Under these circumstances, the Court finds that Murray has shown adequate evidence of fraud.
Based on these reasons, the Court concludes that Murray has a nondischargeable claim against Debtors for $37,600— Murray’s $42,600 investment less the $5,000 that was used as a down payment on the Tubac property — under § 523(a)(4), stemming from Debtors’ embezzlement of the Tubac funds. Debtors are personally liable, jointly and severally, on this debt as both played active roles in transferring the funds.
See L.B. Indus., Inc. v. Smith,
817 F.2d 69, 71 (9th Cir.1987) (corporate directors and officers may be held personally liable if they specifically direct, actively participate in, or knowingly acquiesce in the fraud or other tortious wrongdoing of the corporation or its officers);
Bell,
232 B.R. at 465;
Nelson v. Post Falls Mazda (In re Nelson),
159 B.R. 924, 925-26 (Bankr.D.Idaho 1993);
In re Hawkins,
144 B.R. 481, 484-85 (Bankr.D.Idaho 1992).
b. Boise Island
Boise Island contends Debtors embezzled the July and August rents and security deposits collected by Lawrence
&
Associates. Debtors argue that ownership of the rent receipts was conferred to Lawrence & Associates when it collected those funds. Therefore, they contend, Debtors did not commit embezzlement because those funds were not owned by Boise Island at the time Debtors transferred them into Lawrence & Associates’ general account. They further assert that because the Agreement imposed no duty to segregate the funds Lawrence & Associates merely had a contractual obligation to pay Boise Island a sum equal to the net after deducting its management fee and any expenses for maintaining the property. The Court is not convinced.
First, proving embezzlement does not always require a pre-existing obligation to keep the funds in a separate account.
See Wada,
210 B.R. at 576. Second, the evidence belies Debtors’ argument. The Agreement, Ex. No. 105, referred to Lawrence
&
Associates as the “agent” of Boise Island and authorized it to act on Boise Island’s behalf. Further, Lawrence testified that she understood the collected rents and deposits to be property of Boise
Island, not Lawrence
&
Associates. Although Lawrence & Associates deducted a
5%
fee from those receipts for its services, the remainder of the funds were property of Boise Island, held by Lawrence & Associates as its agent.
As agents of Lawrence & Associates’ managing member, Debtors had rightful possession of the rent and deposit receipts, which belonged to Boise Island (with the exception of the 5% allocated to Lawrence & Associates’ management fee). The evidence established that Debtors transferred the Boise Island funds into Lawrence & Associates’ general operating account, from which Debtors paid expenses for their businesses and also drew their salaries, through Revolution 1.5. By using Boise Island’s funds in this manner rather than forwarding those funds to Boise Island, Debtors appropriated that money for a use other than that for which it was entrusted.
Debtors also contend they lacked the fraudulent intent required to find embezzlement because they did not intend to permanently deprive Boise Island of its rent receipts, but instead intended to pay them at some later point when they had the funds to do so.
This Court considered a similar argument in
Applegate v. Shuler (In re Shu-ler), 21
B.R. 643, 644 (Bankr.D.Idaho 1982). There, the debtor sold a trailer on consignment and retained the sale proceeds in his general business account instead of paying them over to the creditor-consignor. The debtor argued he lacked the requisite fraudulent intent because he did not intend to permanently deprive the creditor of the money that was rightfully his. The Court nonetheless inferred an intent to deprive, reasoning that the debt- or had an “affirmative duty” to pay the creditor his share of the proceeds from the sale and the debtor’s failure to do so was not caused by circumstances or conditions beyond his control. It further concluded that an intent to deprive the rightful owner of funds only temporarily and not permanently did not negate the element of intent.
Id.
Similar to the debtor in
Shuler,
Debtors here were required to remit to Boise Island the net rents they collected and held on Boise Island’s behalf. Instead of doing so, Debtors chose to use those funds to pay expenses for their other businesses, including compensation to themselves through their LLC Revolution 1.5. Any intent to restore those funds to Boise Island at a later date does not negate the initial intent to deprive Boise Island of its rent receipts with which Debtors had been
entrusted.
See Shuler,
21 B.R. at 644;
see King v. Lough (In re Lough),
422 B.R. 727, 735 (Bankr.D.Idaho 2010).
Under these circumstances, the Court finds that Boise Island has a nondis-chargeable claim against Debtors under § 523(a)(4) of $36,123.75 — -the total gross rents and deposits collected for the Riviera Estates property for July and August, 2008 ($38,025), less Lawrence & Associates’ 5% management fee ($1,901.25). Although Debtors may have been acting as agents of their closely-held LLCs in carrying out the property management duties of Lawrence & Associates, they are nonetheless personally liable for the embezzlement in which they actively participated and knowingly acquiesced.
See L.B. Indus.,
817 F.2d at 71;
Bell,
232 B.R. at 465.
C. Attorney’s Fees
Plaintiffs did not request attorney’s fees in their respective complaints. However, during their rebuttal at closing argument, Plaintiffs made a general request for an award for attorney’s fees incurred in prosecuting these actions.
To recover attorney’s fees incurred in pursuing a nondischargeability action a creditor must be able to recover the fees outside the bankruptcy court under state or federal law.
See Kilborn v. Haun (In re Haun),
396 B.R. 522, 526-27 (Bankr.D.Idaho 2008) (quoting
Levitt v. Cook (In re Levitt),
BAP No. AZ-07-1166, 2008 WL 8448069 (9th Cir. BAP July 22, 2008)). There is no general right to recover attorney’s fees under the Bankruptcy Code,
see id.
at 526, and Plaintiffs have not identified any other federal law under which they are entitled to fees. Nor did Plaintiffs identify in their request what state law entitled them to fees. In Idaho, a party claiming attorney’s fees must assert the specific statute, rule or case authority supporting its claim.
Id.
at 528 (citing
Hopkins v. Saratoga Holdings, LLC (In re Colvin),
08.2 I.B.C.R. 63, 65, 2006 WL 1957855, at *4 (Bankr.D.Idaho May 2, 2008)). Indeed, Plaintiffs did not assert any authority whatsoever to support their request. Therefore, the request for fees is denied. Costs under Rule 7054(b) and LBR 7054.1, but no fees, will be allowed.
CONCLUSION
Based on the foregoing, and pursuant to § 523(a)(4), the Murrays’ claim of $37,600 and Boise Island’s claim of $36,123.75 will be excepted from Debtors’ discharge. The remainder of Plaintiffs’ causes of action will be dismissed. Plaintiffs will be awarded costs.
Counsel for Plaintiffs shall submit a proposed form of judgment in accord herewith.