[779]*779BECK, J.
¶ 1 This is an appeal from an order granting preliminary objections to a petition for visitation. The trial court determined that petitioner-appellant, Holly McNamara, failed to satisfy the standards for determining the standing of a third party to seek visitation/custody with a minor child established in Kellogg v. Kellogg, 435 Pa.Super. 581, 646 A.2d 1246 (1994). We affirm.
¶ 2 Appellant McNamara is the biological mother of an eleven year old daughter, S.P.T., born in 1988. She and the child’s biological father never married. In 1989, the biological parents jointly agreed to transfer custody of the child to Andrew M. Thomas II, the child’s paternal grandfather, but retained the right to visit her. McNamara exercised this right throughout the time the child was in her grandfather’s custody. McNamara would visit with the child every week during the summer and approximately once a month during the school year. She would also call the child several times a week and visited her on holidays.
¶ 3 In 1993 McNamara and the biological father voluntarily terminated their parental rights and consented to the adoption of the child by the child’s paternal grandfather. After the adoption, McNamara continued to visit with the child, with the permission of the adoptive parent, until mid-1996 when the adoptive parent died. He left a will appointing the child’s paternal aunt, appellee Kathleen M. Thomas, as the child’s guardian with legal and physical custody.1 The aunt never petitioned to adopt the child.
¶ 4 After the death of the adoptive father, the child lived with her aunt. McNamara’s visitation with the child immediately declined. She alleges that the aunt began to prevent her from visiting the child or contacting her by telephone. McNamara’s last visit with the child was at the end of March or early April 1997. It would appear that at that time McNamara had not seen the child since Christmas of 1996. McNamara concedes that she did “back off’ in her attempts to have contact with the child immediately after the adoptive father’s death and did not attempt to contact the child’s financial trustee or anyone else to determine how the child was faring. Ultimately, on December 23, 1997, McNamara filed a petition for visitation with the child.
¶ 5 The appellee aunt filed preliminary objections challenging McNamara’s standing to seek visitation on the ground that McNamara had relinquished all legal rights and responsibilities as to the child when McNamara agreed to the termination of her parental rights. After initially denying the preliminary objections the trial court granted reconsideration and scheduled a hearing and reargument. At the hearing, McNamara testified to the facts as set forth above. On September 30, 1998, the trial court sustained the preliminary objections. The court ruled that McNamara had not proven by clear and convincing evidence that she had shown a sincere, substantial and sustained interest in the welfare of the child. Therefore, the court ruled that McNamara had failed to demonstrate that she had standing to seek visitation with the child under the standards established by Pennsylvania law. See Kellogg v. Kellogg, supra.
¶ 6 We may reverse the trial court’s grant of preliminary objections on grounds of lack of standing only for an abuse of discretion or error of law. Id. at 1250.
¶ 7 McNamara contends that the trial court abused its discretion by finding that she failed to demonstrate her sincere, substantial and sustained interest in the welfare of the child. Appellee counters that the trial court did not abuse its discretion [780]*780because McNamara’s own testimony revealed that she had flagged in her efforts to maintain a relationship with the. child after the death of the adoptive parent and had not sustained a sufficient interest in the child’s welfare. Moreover, appellee argues that even if McNamara had shown a sufficient and sustained interest in the welfare of the child, she nevertheless lacks standing because she voluntarily relinquished all rights to the child years ago and should not be permitted to seek visitation with the child she allowed to be adopted.
¶ 8 We point out that the legal status of both appellee and appellant are as third parties with the appellee-aunt in the position of a third party with custody. The law of Pennsylvania governing the standing of third parties to obtain custody of or visitation with children who are in the custody of another third party has been settled. In Kellogg v. Kellogg, a panel of this court determined that anyone who is not the parent of a child (i.e., a third party) has standing to seek custody of the child as against another third party who has custody of the child only if the moving party produces clear and convincing evidence that he or she “has shown a sustained, substantial and sincere interest in the welfare of the child.” Id. at 1249. Following Kellogg, another panel of this court applied the same standard to a case which, like the instant case, involved a petition for visitation by a third party against a custodial third party. MacDonald v. Quaglia, 442 Pa.Super. 149, 658 A.2d 1343 (1995).
¶ 9 Both Kellogg and MacDonald recognized that the law differentiates between an attempt by a third party to seek custody/visitation against a person who has the legal status of a parent and an attempt by a third party to seek such rights against another third party who merely has custody of the child. In the former situation, the law requires a greater showing by the moving party to establish his or her standing to pursue the matter. See, e.g., Jackson v. Garland, 424 Pa.Super. 378, 622 A.2d 969 (1993)(third party seeking custody of child presently in physical custody of another third party but still in legal custody of natural parent did not have standing); Gradwell v. Strausser, 416 Pa.Super. 118, 610 A.2d 999 (1992) (third parties lack standing to seek custody against natural parents unless third party demonstrates he has stood in loco parentis to child); See also Bupp v. Bupp, 718 A.2d 1278 (Pa.Super.1998).
¶ 10 The law makes this differentiation for good reason. As the Jackson Court explained, “[t]he law protects the natural parent’s relationship with his or her child and will not interfere unnecessarily with that relationship.... Freedom of personal choice in matters of family life, and concomitant freedom from unwarranted governmental intrusions, is a fundamental liberty interest protected by the Fourteenth Amendment....” Jackson, 622 A.2d at 970-71. In contrast, cases that do not involve an attempted intrusion upon the rights of persons who have the legal standing of parents are governed by a different and less demanding standard. The Kellogg Court recognized this somewhat unusual aspect of the law of standing in custody/visitation cases when it stated:
In cases involving child custody the traditional principles of standing are modified. The standing analysis considers the relationship of the parties asserting standing.
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[779]*779BECK, J.
¶ 1 This is an appeal from an order granting preliminary objections to a petition for visitation. The trial court determined that petitioner-appellant, Holly McNamara, failed to satisfy the standards for determining the standing of a third party to seek visitation/custody with a minor child established in Kellogg v. Kellogg, 435 Pa.Super. 581, 646 A.2d 1246 (1994). We affirm.
¶ 2 Appellant McNamara is the biological mother of an eleven year old daughter, S.P.T., born in 1988. She and the child’s biological father never married. In 1989, the biological parents jointly agreed to transfer custody of the child to Andrew M. Thomas II, the child’s paternal grandfather, but retained the right to visit her. McNamara exercised this right throughout the time the child was in her grandfather’s custody. McNamara would visit with the child every week during the summer and approximately once a month during the school year. She would also call the child several times a week and visited her on holidays.
¶ 3 In 1993 McNamara and the biological father voluntarily terminated their parental rights and consented to the adoption of the child by the child’s paternal grandfather. After the adoption, McNamara continued to visit with the child, with the permission of the adoptive parent, until mid-1996 when the adoptive parent died. He left a will appointing the child’s paternal aunt, appellee Kathleen M. Thomas, as the child’s guardian with legal and physical custody.1 The aunt never petitioned to adopt the child.
¶ 4 After the death of the adoptive father, the child lived with her aunt. McNamara’s visitation with the child immediately declined. She alleges that the aunt began to prevent her from visiting the child or contacting her by telephone. McNamara’s last visit with the child was at the end of March or early April 1997. It would appear that at that time McNamara had not seen the child since Christmas of 1996. McNamara concedes that she did “back off’ in her attempts to have contact with the child immediately after the adoptive father’s death and did not attempt to contact the child’s financial trustee or anyone else to determine how the child was faring. Ultimately, on December 23, 1997, McNamara filed a petition for visitation with the child.
¶ 5 The appellee aunt filed preliminary objections challenging McNamara’s standing to seek visitation on the ground that McNamara had relinquished all legal rights and responsibilities as to the child when McNamara agreed to the termination of her parental rights. After initially denying the preliminary objections the trial court granted reconsideration and scheduled a hearing and reargument. At the hearing, McNamara testified to the facts as set forth above. On September 30, 1998, the trial court sustained the preliminary objections. The court ruled that McNamara had not proven by clear and convincing evidence that she had shown a sincere, substantial and sustained interest in the welfare of the child. Therefore, the court ruled that McNamara had failed to demonstrate that she had standing to seek visitation with the child under the standards established by Pennsylvania law. See Kellogg v. Kellogg, supra.
¶ 6 We may reverse the trial court’s grant of preliminary objections on grounds of lack of standing only for an abuse of discretion or error of law. Id. at 1250.
¶ 7 McNamara contends that the trial court abused its discretion by finding that she failed to demonstrate her sincere, substantial and sustained interest in the welfare of the child. Appellee counters that the trial court did not abuse its discretion [780]*780because McNamara’s own testimony revealed that she had flagged in her efforts to maintain a relationship with the. child after the death of the adoptive parent and had not sustained a sufficient interest in the child’s welfare. Moreover, appellee argues that even if McNamara had shown a sufficient and sustained interest in the welfare of the child, she nevertheless lacks standing because she voluntarily relinquished all rights to the child years ago and should not be permitted to seek visitation with the child she allowed to be adopted.
¶ 8 We point out that the legal status of both appellee and appellant are as third parties with the appellee-aunt in the position of a third party with custody. The law of Pennsylvania governing the standing of third parties to obtain custody of or visitation with children who are in the custody of another third party has been settled. In Kellogg v. Kellogg, a panel of this court determined that anyone who is not the parent of a child (i.e., a third party) has standing to seek custody of the child as against another third party who has custody of the child only if the moving party produces clear and convincing evidence that he or she “has shown a sustained, substantial and sincere interest in the welfare of the child.” Id. at 1249. Following Kellogg, another panel of this court applied the same standard to a case which, like the instant case, involved a petition for visitation by a third party against a custodial third party. MacDonald v. Quaglia, 442 Pa.Super. 149, 658 A.2d 1343 (1995).
¶ 9 Both Kellogg and MacDonald recognized that the law differentiates between an attempt by a third party to seek custody/visitation against a person who has the legal status of a parent and an attempt by a third party to seek such rights against another third party who merely has custody of the child. In the former situation, the law requires a greater showing by the moving party to establish his or her standing to pursue the matter. See, e.g., Jackson v. Garland, 424 Pa.Super. 378, 622 A.2d 969 (1993)(third party seeking custody of child presently in physical custody of another third party but still in legal custody of natural parent did not have standing); Gradwell v. Strausser, 416 Pa.Super. 118, 610 A.2d 999 (1992) (third parties lack standing to seek custody against natural parents unless third party demonstrates he has stood in loco parentis to child); See also Bupp v. Bupp, 718 A.2d 1278 (Pa.Super.1998).
¶ 10 The law makes this differentiation for good reason. As the Jackson Court explained, “[t]he law protects the natural parent’s relationship with his or her child and will not interfere unnecessarily with that relationship.... Freedom of personal choice in matters of family life, and concomitant freedom from unwarranted governmental intrusions, is a fundamental liberty interest protected by the Fourteenth Amendment....” Jackson, 622 A.2d at 970-71. In contrast, cases that do not involve an attempted intrusion upon the rights of persons who have the legal standing of parents are governed by a different and less demanding standard. The Kellogg Court recognized this somewhat unusual aspect of the law of standing in custody/visitation cases when it stated:
In cases involving child custody the traditional principles of standing are modified. The standing analysis considers the relationship of the parties asserting standing. Thus, a third party may have standing vis-a-vis another third party but may not have standing vis-a-vis a natural parent.
Kellogg, 646 A.2d at 1248 n. 1.
¶ 11 In this case, appellee argues that we should not recognize appellant as a third party. Instead, appellee urges us to craft a new legal principal applicable only to natural parents whose parental rights have been terminated and whose children have been adopted. Appellee would have us hold that such a party does not, as a matter of law, have standing to seek visitation with his or her biological child, no [781]*781matter what the actual relationship between the former parent and the child has been and despite the fact that the child is not now in the custody of the adoptive parent. Support for this new principle is allegedly found in the comprehensiveness and finality of termination of parental rights and the policies undergirding Pennsylvania adoption law.
¶ 12 Clearly a parent whose rights are terminated no longer has the visitation rights of a parent. This does not mean, however, that there are not circumstances under which that person could seek visitation as a third party. Moreover, appellee’s description of the effect of an adoption on the rights of the biological parent is not relevant in this case. The adoptive parent has died. We are not confronted with the task of balancing the rights and interests of appellant against those of the child’s adoptive parent. The legal posture of this case is the appellant as a third party against another third party who has custody. Thus, there is no issue before us as to whether appellant’s attempt to secure visitation rights is an unwarranted intrusion on the adoptive parent’s rights. Since there is no adoptive parent in this case our decision does not implicate the policies of permanency and finality underlying Pennsylvania adoption law.
¶ 13 This case presents the easier question of the rights of one third party as against another who now has custody of the child. And for this question the law of Pennsylvania provides an entirely workable standard of decision, ie., has the petitioner demonstrated by clear and convincing evidence that he or she has shown a substantial, sustained and sincere interest in the welfare of the child? Kellogg, supra.
¶ 14 When appellant forfeited her rights as the child’s natural parent, she did so completely and forever. However, she retained her rights as a third party and now stands in the same position as would any other third party who sought visitation rights as to this child. Kellogg, supra.
¶ 15 Having concluded that the Kellogg standard governs this case, we need only examine the record to determine whether it supports the trial court’s decision that McNamara failed to show by clear and convincing evidence that she meets that standard. Although the record demonstrates that for many years McNamara exhibited a high level of interest in the welfare of this child, McNamara’s own testimony indicates that she failed to maintain the same level of interest after the adoptive parent died. Thus, finding no abuse of discretion, we must affirm the trial court’s decision that she lacks standing to pursue her visitation petition.
¶ 16 Order affirmed.
¶ 17 Judge ORIE MELVIN filed a Concurring & Dissenting Opinion.