MEMORANDUM DECISION
CHRISTENSEN, District Judge.
This matter is before me on a petition filed by certain creditors for review of an order of the Referee in Bankruptcy approving an amended plan of arrangement under Chapter XI of the Bankruptcy Act.1
Several grounds of objection to the order are urged.2 It is necessary to discuss them only as they relate to a single [804]*804question, whether it was clearly erroneous for the Referee to have confirmed an arrangement without determining or causing to be determined the validity of a certain mortgage covering the debtor’s real property in favor of Marjorie Harvey, surviving widow of one of the principal stockholders of the debtor which had been given for the acquisition of a substantial block of its own capital stock.
Pursuant to the amended arrangement approved by the Referee, the debtor executed a note in favor of the trustee for a’sum equal to 75% of the allowed general and unsecured claims, payable, without interest, $25,000 on or before July 1, 1967, $25,000 on or before Jan. 1, 1968 and the balance on or before Jan. 1, 1974. This note was secured by mortgage covering, in addition to personal property, the real estate belonging to the debtor, “subject to valid prior mortgages as of record in the office of the Salt Lake County Recorder”. The Harvey mortgage was of record in that office.
The amended plan of arrangement was approved by a majority in number and amount of claims of the creditors and by two out of three members of the creditors’ committee. There was substantial evidence to support the Referee’s findings and conclusions that the amended plan was feasible and entitled to confirmation, aside from the question raised before him concerning the validity of the Harvey mortgage. On the latter question the Referee made no findings of fact or conclusions of law although the certificate on review took cognizance of it.3
From the facts presented before the Referee it is clear that a substantial question existed concerning validity of the Harvey mortgage.4 On this, find[805]*805ings and conclusions were essential to a proper evaluation by the Referee of a plan of arrangement and to a consideration on review of a confirmation of any such plan.5
It is also plain that the objecting creditors did not waive consideration of the question, having pressed it before the Referee and by their petition for review here.6 It is true that they did not seek formally to bring an independent action. Indeed, as will be seen hereinafter this was not necessary to test the matter. And before a plan was approved it was as much the responsibility of the Referee, and more within his powers, to have the question determined. It is also true that the mortgagee was not before the court in the sense of notice, but the property of the bankrupt was; and on summary inquiry the law furnishes adequate means to the Referee by order to show cause and otherwise to give all requisite notices, and full opportunity to be heard.
The status of the mortgage seems highly relevant and material to a consideration of any plan for arrangement of the claims of unsecured creditors. If the mortgage were paid a principal stockholder, or his successor, would receive the full value of stock acquired by the corporation, whereas under the plan general creditors over a period of time would receive no more than 75% of their claims.7 That the uncertain area thus effectually eliminated from consideration [806]*806in connection with approval of the arrangement was substantial is further evidenced by the facts that all mortgage liens against the debtor’s property totaled $296,933.84, the amount claimed under the Harvey mortgage was $117,515.-37, the appraised value of the property was $475,000 and the claims of unsecured creditors amounted to $370,761.-13.
The objecting creditors, and perhaps the Referee, accepted, and the former urge here, the theory that there is no practical way to resolve the question of the Harvey mortgage in a Chapter XI proceedings, and that the alternatives to the formulation and approval of a plan with an acceptance of the mortgage, whether valid or not, as a prior lien, were a Chapter X proceeding, bankruptcy or unconditional dismissal. Emphasis has been given by the objecting creditors to the principle that Chapter XI proceedings pertain exclusively to the unsecured claims of common creditors.8 Counsel for the debtor here concedes that the Referee might have referred the question to the state court for “declaratory relief”.
If the choice were between reference to a state court, no plan at all or Chapter X proceedings which appear otherwise poorly designed for the relatively simple problems of this case,9 there might be excuse if not justification for the acceptance of a plan which could as a practical matter amount to the validation of an invalid mortgage against the interest of general creditors. But I do not believe that Chapter XI proceedings are so limited in their procedural resources as to render such a dilemma inescapable.
The bankruptcy court upon the filing of the petition for an arrangement for the purposes of such an arrangement had exclusive jurisdiction of the debtor and his property wherever located.10 Possession of the res draws to the bankruptcy court jurisdiction of all questions respecting title or liens, and it may, on notice' to claimants determine the conflicting claims to the property in the debtor’s possession.11
A lien holder not in the possession of the property is not an “adverse holder” and a bankruptcy court may de[807]*807termine questions as to the validity of such lien in summary proceedings.12
While generally a plan of arrangement formulated under the Bankruptcy Act is meant to affect only unsecured creditors of the debtor, liens are subject to administration of the bank-r-uptcy court and it has power to determine their validity, status, and amount.13 Here all of the real property covered by the Harvey mortgage is concededly in the possession of the debtor.14
Counsel for the objecting creditors have cited cases in claimed support of their contention that not only did the Referee err in approving an arangement without determination of the validity of the mortgage in question, but that the Referee had no power to make that determination and no alternative other than to dismiss the proceeding or to cause it to be brought as a Chapter X proceeding.15 These eases do, indeed, illustrate the proposition that an arrangement proposed under Chapter XI cannot affect the rights of secured creditors or stockholders and must provide for unsecured creditors only.16 But they fall far short of establishing that the court of bankruptcy cannot even identify or adjudicate which are validly secured or unsecured creditors, or creditors at all.17 In Camp Packing clearly valid liens were proposed to be altered by the arrangement. In Potts there was “nothing in the record to controvert the fact that H. H. Potts is a secured creditor or to show that the security for his debt is insufficient”.
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MEMORANDUM DECISION
CHRISTENSEN, District Judge.
This matter is before me on a petition filed by certain creditors for review of an order of the Referee in Bankruptcy approving an amended plan of arrangement under Chapter XI of the Bankruptcy Act.1
Several grounds of objection to the order are urged.2 It is necessary to discuss them only as they relate to a single [804]*804question, whether it was clearly erroneous for the Referee to have confirmed an arrangement without determining or causing to be determined the validity of a certain mortgage covering the debtor’s real property in favor of Marjorie Harvey, surviving widow of one of the principal stockholders of the debtor which had been given for the acquisition of a substantial block of its own capital stock.
Pursuant to the amended arrangement approved by the Referee, the debtor executed a note in favor of the trustee for a’sum equal to 75% of the allowed general and unsecured claims, payable, without interest, $25,000 on or before July 1, 1967, $25,000 on or before Jan. 1, 1968 and the balance on or before Jan. 1, 1974. This note was secured by mortgage covering, in addition to personal property, the real estate belonging to the debtor, “subject to valid prior mortgages as of record in the office of the Salt Lake County Recorder”. The Harvey mortgage was of record in that office.
The amended plan of arrangement was approved by a majority in number and amount of claims of the creditors and by two out of three members of the creditors’ committee. There was substantial evidence to support the Referee’s findings and conclusions that the amended plan was feasible and entitled to confirmation, aside from the question raised before him concerning the validity of the Harvey mortgage. On the latter question the Referee made no findings of fact or conclusions of law although the certificate on review took cognizance of it.3
From the facts presented before the Referee it is clear that a substantial question existed concerning validity of the Harvey mortgage.4 On this, find[805]*805ings and conclusions were essential to a proper evaluation by the Referee of a plan of arrangement and to a consideration on review of a confirmation of any such plan.5
It is also plain that the objecting creditors did not waive consideration of the question, having pressed it before the Referee and by their petition for review here.6 It is true that they did not seek formally to bring an independent action. Indeed, as will be seen hereinafter this was not necessary to test the matter. And before a plan was approved it was as much the responsibility of the Referee, and more within his powers, to have the question determined. It is also true that the mortgagee was not before the court in the sense of notice, but the property of the bankrupt was; and on summary inquiry the law furnishes adequate means to the Referee by order to show cause and otherwise to give all requisite notices, and full opportunity to be heard.
The status of the mortgage seems highly relevant and material to a consideration of any plan for arrangement of the claims of unsecured creditors. If the mortgage were paid a principal stockholder, or his successor, would receive the full value of stock acquired by the corporation, whereas under the plan general creditors over a period of time would receive no more than 75% of their claims.7 That the uncertain area thus effectually eliminated from consideration [806]*806in connection with approval of the arrangement was substantial is further evidenced by the facts that all mortgage liens against the debtor’s property totaled $296,933.84, the amount claimed under the Harvey mortgage was $117,515.-37, the appraised value of the property was $475,000 and the claims of unsecured creditors amounted to $370,761.-13.
The objecting creditors, and perhaps the Referee, accepted, and the former urge here, the theory that there is no practical way to resolve the question of the Harvey mortgage in a Chapter XI proceedings, and that the alternatives to the formulation and approval of a plan with an acceptance of the mortgage, whether valid or not, as a prior lien, were a Chapter X proceeding, bankruptcy or unconditional dismissal. Emphasis has been given by the objecting creditors to the principle that Chapter XI proceedings pertain exclusively to the unsecured claims of common creditors.8 Counsel for the debtor here concedes that the Referee might have referred the question to the state court for “declaratory relief”.
If the choice were between reference to a state court, no plan at all or Chapter X proceedings which appear otherwise poorly designed for the relatively simple problems of this case,9 there might be excuse if not justification for the acceptance of a plan which could as a practical matter amount to the validation of an invalid mortgage against the interest of general creditors. But I do not believe that Chapter XI proceedings are so limited in their procedural resources as to render such a dilemma inescapable.
The bankruptcy court upon the filing of the petition for an arrangement for the purposes of such an arrangement had exclusive jurisdiction of the debtor and his property wherever located.10 Possession of the res draws to the bankruptcy court jurisdiction of all questions respecting title or liens, and it may, on notice' to claimants determine the conflicting claims to the property in the debtor’s possession.11
A lien holder not in the possession of the property is not an “adverse holder” and a bankruptcy court may de[807]*807termine questions as to the validity of such lien in summary proceedings.12
While generally a plan of arrangement formulated under the Bankruptcy Act is meant to affect only unsecured creditors of the debtor, liens are subject to administration of the bank-r-uptcy court and it has power to determine their validity, status, and amount.13 Here all of the real property covered by the Harvey mortgage is concededly in the possession of the debtor.14
Counsel for the objecting creditors have cited cases in claimed support of their contention that not only did the Referee err in approving an arangement without determination of the validity of the mortgage in question, but that the Referee had no power to make that determination and no alternative other than to dismiss the proceeding or to cause it to be brought as a Chapter X proceeding.15 These eases do, indeed, illustrate the proposition that an arrangement proposed under Chapter XI cannot affect the rights of secured creditors or stockholders and must provide for unsecured creditors only.16 But they fall far short of establishing that the court of bankruptcy cannot even identify or adjudicate which are validly secured or unsecured creditors, or creditors at all.17 In Camp Packing clearly valid liens were proposed to be altered by the arrangement. In Potts there was “nothing in the record to controvert the fact that H. H. Potts is a secured creditor or to show that the security for his debt is insufficient”. Despite vague language on which counsel have seized in an endeavor to make their point, the court simply held that the failure of the secured creditor H. H. Potts to accept the proposed arrangement was not fatal to it. In. Chaffee the court sustained the dismissal of a petition for an arrangement because it could not be fairly, equitably and feasibly consummated without improperly affecting secured rights.
In the case at bar a determination of the validity of the mortgage in question would not “affect” any “secured” rights or- those of stockholders; nor would a delay of the proceedings for such determination, as Chaffee with respect to the lien therein asserted, be pointless or merely an indirect way of affecting these rights. If the mortgage here is found by the Referee to be valid as against the creditors or the trustee, I see no reason why the Referee’s confirmation of the plan would not be warranted under the findings made by him covering conditions then existing. If the mortgage is held to be invalid the mortgagee could no longer assert a secured creditor status, leaving a substantial additional value available to the unsecured creditors to be considered in relation to the approval or rejection of any plan. [808]*808In this event there would then be reopened the question of fairness to creditors of the plan now proposed, and related questions.18
Were the Referee to have no summary jurisdiction to make inquiry, a pattern would exist for the complete frustration of Chapter XI proceedings by the interposition of frivolous claims to liens. If we accept the thesis ■ that summary jurisdiction does not exist such a claim yet could block Chapter XI proceedings if it affected property essential to a practical plan. Though the claim of invalidity here is substantial rather than frivolous, the right and duty of the Referee to make the determination seems equally clear, and even more necessary; an insubstantial claim of a lien might be disregarded in approving a plan but an unresolved claim of the substantial nature and amount here in question precludes in my opinion a considered judgment.19
Whether the mortgage in question is invalid, whether the arrangement should be approved in such event, whether prior to such determination in view of delay in making the adjudication, the arrangement should be rejected by reason of changed conditions; whether conditions have been so clarified by lapse of time as to confirm or negate the feasibility of a particular plan in any event, and whether any other action would be appropriate in view of developing circumstances, all are matters which in the first instance should be passed upon by the Referee after remand and on which I express no opinion.
Remanded to the Referee for proceedings not inconsistent with the views herein expressed.