Commonwealth Ex Rel. Michael R. v. Robert R.R.

460 A.2d 1167, 314 Pa. Super. 335, 1983 Pa. Super. LEXIS 3083
CourtSuperior Court of Pennsylvania
DecidedMay 13, 1983
Docket2555
StatusPublished
Cited by7 cases

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Commonwealth Ex Rel. Michael R. v. Robert R.R., 460 A.2d 1167, 314 Pa. Super. 335, 1983 Pa. Super. LEXIS 3083 (Pa. Ct. App. 1983).

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JOHNSON, Judge:

The trial court ordered a continuation of the custody of the two children, Michael and Kristin, with their father.1 The mother has appealed.

The mother and father married each other in 1975, both having been married before. Michael was two years old at the time. Kristin was born in 1976. In 1978 the mother left and went to live with a woman friend for a while, and then moved in with the man to whom she is now married and by whom she has a daughter, Gina, born in 1981.

In 1980 the mother filed a petition seeking custody of Michael and Kristin who were still living with their father. After a hearing the court awarded custody to the father. The mother appealed to this court which reversed and remanded2 the case on three grounds: (1) the trial court had relied to some extent on the fact that the mother was living with another man (now stepfather), but did not analyze the effect of this nonmarital relationship on the chil[338]*338dren; (2) the trial court had interviewed the children in chambers without the presence of counsel or of a stenographer; (3) the trial court’s opinion lacked a sufficiently comprehensive analysis of the record and complete explanation for its decision.

After remand the trial court ordered a home investigation by Montgomery County Children and Youth Services, and conducted a second hearing, updating the record to reflect any changes in circumstances. Following this hearing, which was held in May 1982, the trial court again awarded custody to the father. The mother again has appealed. Reluctantly, we again vacate and remand.

The errors asserted in this second appeal are that the trial court’s decision to award the children to the father was an abuse of discretion, and that the trial court further abused its discretion in not conducting another, transcribed, interview with the children in order “to determine their preferences and to determine the treatment they have received from both parents.”

The trial judge, both at the second hearing and in his second opinion, explained that he chose not to interview the children, rather than to expose them to a risk of possible parental retaliation later on as a result of the mandated transcription of their conversation with him. At this second hearing the trial judge explained that he would neither interview the children again, nor consider what they had said to him at the time of the first hearing. The mother’s counsel responded that he was not advocating that the children be interviewed, but that “there could be a problem, because much of the testimony ... is based on what the parents know from the children as to what happens to them.” N.T. May 3, 1982 at 4. On appeal the mother argues that “refusal” to interview the children prevented the court from determining what weight should be given to the children’s preference.

The rule is that the preference of the children is a factor to be considered. Commonwealth ex rel. Pierce v. [339]*339Pierce, 493 Pa. 292, 426 A.2d 555 (1981). And, where the children are interviewed, the weight to be accorded their preference depends on their age, intelligence and maturity. Id. The question of the weight to be given the children’s preference arises if and when the children are interviewed. The children are not interviewed in order to determine the weight to be attached to their preference. In this case, the trial court did not interview the children, nor does the court appear to have considered, in reaching its decision, the preference of six-year-old Kristin, as expressed to the court-appointed home investigator, for custody with her mother. See note 5 infra.

Where the trial court interviews the children and then takes what was said into consideration in reaching its decision, it commits reversible error if that interview is not available to the appellate court—the absence of a transcript of that interview depriving the appellate court of the opportunity to conduct its own complete and thorough review of the record so that it may fulfill its duty under its broad scope of review. See Commonwealth ex rel. Scott v. Rider, 248 Pa.Super. 383, 375 A.2d 149 (1977); Commonwealth ex rel. Lee v. Lee, 248 Pa.Super. 155, 374 A.2d 1365 (1977); Commonwealth ex rel. Morales v. Morales, 222 Pa.Super. 373, 294 A.2d 782 (1972).3 But we are reluctant to rule that not interviewing the children is per se a reversible error.

Therefore, if the mandatory requirements—a complete record and a comprehensive opinion containing a thorough analysis of the record and the specific reasons for the trial [340]*340court’s decision—are satisfied, we shall not reverse and remand this case. We have no desire to prolong the anxiety of the two children involved and the stress on the two families by reversing a decision where the lower court erred, if at all, without harm to the parties.

Before passing to the fundamental custody question in this case we shall address the mother’s argument that the “refusal” to interview the children combined with the refusal to permit hearsay statements of the children prevented her counsel from presenting his case. The mother provides us with several examples. First, she refers to an incident in February 1981, involving a possible spanking of Kristin by the sitter in whose care the father was leaving the children. The sitter was replaced as a result of the incident. We reiterate the rule that it is current, and not past, conditions on which custody is awarded. McGowan v. McGowan, 248 Pa.Super. 41, 374 A.2d 1306 (1976). The problem having been solved, no purpose would have been served by raising it with the children a year and a half later. Second, the mother sought to raise the question of a purported spanking of Kristin by the new sitter selected by the father. The mother, however, testified that she had declined to discuss this problem with the former husband in part because she did not want to be a “trouble maker”. N.T. at 15. We cannot sympathize with the lack of opportunity for counsel to question the children on a matter involving their sitter’s conduct, if the mother has herself not taken measures to remedy a purportedly worrying situation, e.g., by discussing it with the children’s father or even with the sitter. To seek to introduce evidence of the sitter’s conduct only through questioning the children does not seem the appropriate way of meeting her burden of proving her fitness for custody. The third matter was Kristin’s unhappiness in the soccer league. This again seems to be a matter for her to raise with the children’s father or with the soccer coach. Questioning Kristin in court about the soccer league is hardly the way for the mother to meet her burden of proving her fitness for custody.

[341]*341We emphasize that the burden in a custody case is on each parent to prove that the best interests of the child will be served by the placement of the child with him or her. In re Custody of J.S.S., 298 Pa.Super.

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