Carchidi v. State

204 N.W. 473, 187 Wis. 438, 1925 Wisc. LEXIS 46
CourtWisconsin Supreme Court
DecidedJune 22, 1925
StatusPublished
Cited by22 cases

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Bluebook
Carchidi v. State, 204 N.W. 473, 187 Wis. 438, 1925 Wisc. LEXIS 46 (Wis. 1925).

Opinion

Owen, J.

The defendant was convicted of the crime of obtaining money under false pretenses. He interposed a [439]*439plea in bar to the information which was overruled. This is assigned as error.

The plea in bar was to the effect that while the instant case was pending in the municipal court of Milwaukee county a grand jury, duly impaneled out of said court to hear and determine various matters to be then and there brought before said grand jury, did subpoena the above named defendant, and did then and there compel him by process of said subpoena and under oath, and under promise of immunity then and there granted him by said grand jury, to give, and he did so give, testimony of and concerning all of the matters and things set forth in this said information.

It appears from the evidence introduced on the*trial of the issue raised by the plea in bar that shortly after the defendant’s arrest, and while this case was pending in the courts, he was called before a grand jury then in session in the county of Milwaukee. Five or six cases besides this one, charging him with criminal offenses, such as embezzlement, larceny as bailee, etc., were then pending against him in the courts of Milwaukee county. He testified concerning his relations with the district attorney of that- county, insinuating that corrupt proposals had been made to him either by the district attorney, or 'by agents representing the district attorney, for the settlement and disposition of those cases. After so testifying, he was asked by one of the prosecuting attorneys before the grand jury the following questions and he made the following answers:

“Q. Any other questions with reference to these transactions ? Was there anything else, Mr. Carchidi, that you had forgotten to tell us the last time you were on the stand, with reference to these matters? A. Well, I wanted to say further that the day you called me up to Mr. Hudnall’s office in the Pabst building, that the day after Mr. Zabel issued another warrant, I owed $3,000 on a piece of property which I gave someone a mortgage, and I didn’t pay the interest last June, and this party started foreclosure, and that was ... it [440]*440is now in foreclosure proceeding. But the day after you called me up to your office there was another warrant.
“Q. For what? A. For taking $3,000 under false pretenses, and I had to put up another $4,000 bail.
“Mr. Hudnall: That case has not been tried? A. Pardon me?
“Q. That case has not been tried? A. No, sir.
"Q. Who is the attorney in the foreclosure action? A. Julius Roehl.
“Q. And who is the complainant in the criminal action? A. Barbara Pautz.
“Q. They dismissed 3 and 4 up here, and then there is the new one? A. Yes, sir.
“Q. Since they knew you were at the grand jury? A. Yes, sir. *
“Mr. Boesel: Q. Yes, you notified us the day after you were in our office. A. Yes, sir.
“Q. You say there is no foundation whatsoever for the issuance of this last warrant against you? A. Well, I don’t think so, because this woman had a mortgage and she had four altogether. Three I paid since I'came back, and this one is still pending now. She started foreclosure and I don’t think I took the money from her. She bought a mortgage.
“Juror Mueller: Q. Did you misrepresent the value to her when you sold the mortgage? A. I did not tell her the value. I show her the mortgage.
“Q. You sold her the mortgage? A. Yes, I show her the property and gave her a mortgage, and she took it like many other mortgages which she had previous to that. If she had come to me and say I wanted my money, I would have paid her, but she called me over to Julius Roehl’s office. I went over one evening. Mr. Roehl said he wanted to see me, and he said ‘pay this mortgage,’ and I told him I would not pay this until that criminal case she had pending against me for the $1,500 is dismissed.
"Q. Is that this same case? A. This same woman.
“Q. Is that this same case now, or is that another case? A. It is the same woman.
“Q. It is the same woman but another case? A. Another case, and I told him I pay the mortgage .when the criminal charge they made against me while I was abroad was dis[441]*441missed, and Julius Roehl told me I shalí pay that mortgage; that when the case will be called she will be out of town. I told him he should take it up with Mr. Rubin and if he had advised me to pay I will pay.”

That is all the testimony the defendant gave before the ‘grand jury concerning the transaction upon which he was prosecuted and convicted in the instant case. It is urged that the giving of this testimony before the grand jury entitled him to immunity under either sec. 4078 or sec. 4575m, Stats. There is some controversy as to whether he, can claim immunity under sec. 4078, as that section is limited to cases involving the official conduct of public officers, and the record does not disclose that the grand jury then in session was called for the purpose of investigating the official conduct of the public officers of Milwaukee county. However, the immunity provision of sec. 4078 is practically the same as that of sec. 4575m, and we choose to discuss the subject upon the assumption that either or both sections apply. The immunity provision of sec. 4078 reads: “ButAo person shall be prosecuted or subjected to any penalty or forfeiture for or on account of any transaction, matter or thing concerning which he may testify, or produce evidence, documentary or otherwise, in such action, proceeding or examination, except a prosecution for perjury committed in giving such testimony.” We shall assume that the testimony given by the defendant before the grand jury falls within the scope of sec. 4078 and shall consider whether the testimony so given entitles him to the immunity provided by that section.

The statute, in terms, exempts one from prosecution “for or on account of any transaction, matter or thing concerning which he may testify.” The question of the juror to the defendant, “Did you misrepresent the value to her when you sold the mortgage?” comes very close to an interrogation concerning the transaction upon which the prosecution was based, and his answer to that question amounts to testimony [442]*442concerning the “transaction” which forms the basis of his conviction. The testimony does not, however, in any manner or to any degree tend to convict him of any crime.

It is contended by the defendant that mere testimony re-, lating to a transaction, even though it does not in any manner tend to convict the witness of any crime, absolves him from any prosecution based upon the transaction concerning which he testifies. This question was considered and discussed by Mr. Justice Dodge in State v. Murphy, 128 Wis. 201, 107 N. W. 470, and the conclusion there reached seems to support this contention.

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