LEWIS R. MORGAN, Circuit Judge:
Petitioner Barry Wayne Brown appeals from a dismissal of his petition for habeas corpus relief by the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida. Relevant facts are as follows: On March 2, 1965, petitioner Brown, who was only sixteen years old at the time, was arrested as a suspect in two armed robberies and a murder. He was taken before the juvenile court for a determination whether that court would waive jurisdiction over him and allow him to be tried as an adult. Affording Brown no counsel and giving no notice to his parents, the juvenile court conducted a waiver hearing and determined, pursuant to his caseworker’s recommendation, that Brown should be tried as an adult, in that all rehabilitative efforts and facilities had been exhausted. Specifically, prior to his arrest in March of 1965 on the armed robbery and murder charges, Brown had been before the juvenile court four times for armed robbery, assault, and possession of a concealed weapon and had once escaped from a juvenile detention center.
Subsequently, Brown was tried as an adult, convicted on the armed robbery charge, and sentenced on December 29,1965 to life imprisonment. Paroled on February 2, 1971, Brown was arrested and convicted of an armed robbery occurring while on parole and was sentenced to another life sentence to run consecutively to the life sentence imposed in 1965, his parole from that conviction having been revoked. Later, Brown received an additional three year sentence and a five year sentence.
In his petition for habeas corpus relief, Brown alleges that the waiver hearing held
by the juvenile court in 1965 did not comport with due process requirements as mandated by
Kent v. United States,
383 U.S. 541, 86 S.Ct. 1045,16 L.Ed.2d 84 (1966). In
Kent,
the Supreme Court held that juvenile court waiver hearings must comply with general due process standards, among which is the juvenile’s right to counsel at such a hearing.
The district court determined that
Kent
should be applied retroactively and, modeling its remedy after that adopted in
Kemplen v. Maryland,
428 F.2d 169 (4th Cir. 1970) and in
Brown v. Cox,
481 F.2d 622 (4th Cir. 1973), ordered a reconstructed waiver hearing in the state court to determine what the juvenile court would have done in light of all information that might reasonably have been proffered by competent counsel. The state court held such a hearing
and found that upon the facts available, and within a legal and moral certainty, the juvenile court judge could not have ruled differently had petitioner been afforded counsel at the waiver proceeding. Relying on the state court’s findings, the district court denied Brown’s petition and dismissed his. cause. Brown appeals from that dismissal, arguing primarily that because it was impossible to accurately reconstruct the juvenile proceeding, his conviction should be reversed.
Two issues are before this court: first, whether
Kent
should be applied retroactively to the facts in the present case, and second, if the answer to the first question is yes, whether the reconstructed waiver hearing was a proper remedy for the
Kent
violation. The threshold question then is the retroactivity of
Kent.
Research of the issue reveals the Circuits to be split on this question, with the D.C. Circuit and Ninth Circuit
opposed to and the Fourth Circuit
in favor of retroactive application of
Kent.
After careful analysis of the issue, we find the reasoning of the D.C. and Ninth Circuits more persuasive and, therefore, hold that
Kent
is not to be given retroactive effect.
In
Harris v. Procunier,
498 F.2d 576 (9th Cir. 1974),
(en banc),
the Ninth Circuit held
Kent
to be non-retroactive in a case involving a juvenile who, charged with murder, was not represented by counsel at his waiv
er hearing. In making its ruling, the court relied on a three-pronged test articulated by the Supreme Court in
Stovall v. Denno,
388 U.S. 293, 87 S.Ct. 1967, 18 L.Ed.2d 1199 (1967), to determine whether a particular ruling should be applied retroactively.
Harris,
498 F.2d at 578. The three criteria set down by
Stovall
were (a) the purpose to be served by the new' standards, (b) the extent of the reliance by law enforcement officers, and (c) the effect on the administration of justice of a retroactive application of the new standards.
Stovall',
388 U.S. at 297, 87 S.Ct. 1967. In analyzing the first criterion, the purpose to be served by the new
Kent
standards, the Ninth Circuit
en banc
panel noted that the Supreme Court has particularly examined whether the new rule bear's a significant relationship to the truth-finding function of the trial:
In distinguishing the right to counsel cases which require retroactive application from all other cases where retroactive application has been generally denied the Supreme Court stated the following: ‘Where the major purpose of new constitutional doctrine is to overcome an aspect of the criminal trial that substantially impairs the truth-finding function and so raises serious questions about the accuracy of guilty verdicts in past trials, the new rule has been given complete retroactive éffect . . . ’ (Footnotes omitted).
Williams v. United States
[401 U.S. 646, 91 S.Ct. 1148, 28 L.Ed.2d 388] at 653.
Harris,
498 F.2d at 578-79. Examining the
Kent
standard requiring representation by counsel at juvenile waiver hearings in light of its truth-finding function, the panel noted that a waiver hearing is not a trial at which facts that determine the guilt or the innocence of the defendant are gathered. Rather, a waiver hearing is merely a proceeding to determine whether the juvenile court should continue to assert its jurisdiction over the defendant. Accordingly, the Ninth Circuit found the first criterion, the purpose of the new standard, to mitigate against retroactive application of
Kent.
Analysis of the second and third criteria likewise led the court to hold
Kent
not retroactive. That is, the court found that law enforcement officers had substantially relied on the
pre-Kent
standards.
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LEWIS R. MORGAN, Circuit Judge:
Petitioner Barry Wayne Brown appeals from a dismissal of his petition for habeas corpus relief by the United States District Court for the Southern District of Florida. Relevant facts are as follows: On March 2, 1965, petitioner Brown, who was only sixteen years old at the time, was arrested as a suspect in two armed robberies and a murder. He was taken before the juvenile court for a determination whether that court would waive jurisdiction over him and allow him to be tried as an adult. Affording Brown no counsel and giving no notice to his parents, the juvenile court conducted a waiver hearing and determined, pursuant to his caseworker’s recommendation, that Brown should be tried as an adult, in that all rehabilitative efforts and facilities had been exhausted. Specifically, prior to his arrest in March of 1965 on the armed robbery and murder charges, Brown had been before the juvenile court four times for armed robbery, assault, and possession of a concealed weapon and had once escaped from a juvenile detention center.
Subsequently, Brown was tried as an adult, convicted on the armed robbery charge, and sentenced on December 29,1965 to life imprisonment. Paroled on February 2, 1971, Brown was arrested and convicted of an armed robbery occurring while on parole and was sentenced to another life sentence to run consecutively to the life sentence imposed in 1965, his parole from that conviction having been revoked. Later, Brown received an additional three year sentence and a five year sentence.
In his petition for habeas corpus relief, Brown alleges that the waiver hearing held
by the juvenile court in 1965 did not comport with due process requirements as mandated by
Kent v. United States,
383 U.S. 541, 86 S.Ct. 1045,16 L.Ed.2d 84 (1966). In
Kent,
the Supreme Court held that juvenile court waiver hearings must comply with general due process standards, among which is the juvenile’s right to counsel at such a hearing.
The district court determined that
Kent
should be applied retroactively and, modeling its remedy after that adopted in
Kemplen v. Maryland,
428 F.2d 169 (4th Cir. 1970) and in
Brown v. Cox,
481 F.2d 622 (4th Cir. 1973), ordered a reconstructed waiver hearing in the state court to determine what the juvenile court would have done in light of all information that might reasonably have been proffered by competent counsel. The state court held such a hearing
and found that upon the facts available, and within a legal and moral certainty, the juvenile court judge could not have ruled differently had petitioner been afforded counsel at the waiver proceeding. Relying on the state court’s findings, the district court denied Brown’s petition and dismissed his. cause. Brown appeals from that dismissal, arguing primarily that because it was impossible to accurately reconstruct the juvenile proceeding, his conviction should be reversed.
Two issues are before this court: first, whether
Kent
should be applied retroactively to the facts in the present case, and second, if the answer to the first question is yes, whether the reconstructed waiver hearing was a proper remedy for the
Kent
violation. The threshold question then is the retroactivity of
Kent.
Research of the issue reveals the Circuits to be split on this question, with the D.C. Circuit and Ninth Circuit
opposed to and the Fourth Circuit
in favor of retroactive application of
Kent.
After careful analysis of the issue, we find the reasoning of the D.C. and Ninth Circuits more persuasive and, therefore, hold that
Kent
is not to be given retroactive effect.
In
Harris v. Procunier,
498 F.2d 576 (9th Cir. 1974),
(en banc),
the Ninth Circuit held
Kent
to be non-retroactive in a case involving a juvenile who, charged with murder, was not represented by counsel at his waiv
er hearing. In making its ruling, the court relied on a three-pronged test articulated by the Supreme Court in
Stovall v. Denno,
388 U.S. 293, 87 S.Ct. 1967, 18 L.Ed.2d 1199 (1967), to determine whether a particular ruling should be applied retroactively.
Harris,
498 F.2d at 578. The three criteria set down by
Stovall
were (a) the purpose to be served by the new' standards, (b) the extent of the reliance by law enforcement officers, and (c) the effect on the administration of justice of a retroactive application of the new standards.
Stovall',
388 U.S. at 297, 87 S.Ct. 1967. In analyzing the first criterion, the purpose to be served by the new
Kent
standards, the Ninth Circuit
en banc
panel noted that the Supreme Court has particularly examined whether the new rule bear's a significant relationship to the truth-finding function of the trial:
In distinguishing the right to counsel cases which require retroactive application from all other cases where retroactive application has been generally denied the Supreme Court stated the following: ‘Where the major purpose of new constitutional doctrine is to overcome an aspect of the criminal trial that substantially impairs the truth-finding function and so raises serious questions about the accuracy of guilty verdicts in past trials, the new rule has been given complete retroactive éffect . . . ’ (Footnotes omitted).
Williams v. United States
[401 U.S. 646, 91 S.Ct. 1148, 28 L.Ed.2d 388] at 653.
Harris,
498 F.2d at 578-79. Examining the
Kent
standard requiring representation by counsel at juvenile waiver hearings in light of its truth-finding function, the panel noted that a waiver hearing is not a trial at which facts that determine the guilt or the innocence of the defendant are gathered. Rather, a waiver hearing is merely a proceeding to determine whether the juvenile court should continue to assert its jurisdiction over the defendant. Accordingly, the Ninth Circuit found the first criterion, the purpose of the new standard, to mitigate against retroactive application of
Kent.
Analysis of the second and third criteria likewise led the court to hold
Kent
not retroactive. That is, the court found that law enforcement officers had substantially relied on the
pre-Kent
standards. In addition, the court noted that the effect of a retroactive application of the new standard on the administration of justice would be “devastating.”
Harris,
498 F.2d at 579. According to Judge Barnes, writing for the majority, not only would the number of cases affected be significant, but also the juvenile court would no longer have jurisdiction over the defendant in many cases.
While the D.C. Circuit likewise held
Kent
to be nonretroactive in
Mordecai v. United States,
137 U.S.App.D.C. 198, 421 F.2d 1133 (1969), its reasoning was somewhat different from the Ninth Circuit’s in
Harris.
Judge Bazelon
found the first two criteria — the purpose of the new standard and past reliance by law enforcement officers on the old standard — to favor retroactive application.
He believed, however, that the third factor — the effect on the administration of justice — rendered retroactive application impossible. Judge Bazelon noted that not only would it be difficult to accurately reconstruct a waiver hearing after the passage of years, but also that it would be impossible to create a remedy if the juvenile court judge’s decision to waive jurisdiction were determined to be incorrect:
In this case the passage of time has made an appropriate remedy not merely inconvenient or even impracticable, but impossible. If the waiver in this case was improper because the appellant enjoyed neither the assistance of counsel nor a hearing, the correct remedy would be a new waiver hearing to determine wheth
er the original decision by the Juvenile Court to waive its jurisdiction was correct. Since the appellant — and most others similarly situated — is now over 21 years of age, the new proceeding would have to take place in the District Court.
In
Haziel v. United States
[131 U.S. App.D.C. 298, 404 F.2d 1275, 1282 (1968)] . we acknowledged:
The Juvenile Court may well decide that a hearing at this late date to determine whether . . . waiver would have been proper more than two years ago is so artificial as to be meaningless. Certainly we cannot gainsay the difficulty of determining what rehabilitative strategy might then have worked, and whether resources were then available to implement any such strategy.
The waiver in this ease occurred eight years ago, and a new waiver hearing would be exponentially more artificial than in
Haziel. Even more important, however, is the fact that no remedy is now available if the decision to waive jurisdiction in 1961 was substantively incorrect. The appellant is now 24.' He is, in simple fact, no longer a juvenile. Even if nonpunitive rehabilitation in the juvenile process would have been the proper path in 1961, society can no longer offer what was then, rightly or wrongly, denied.
Id.
at 1138. (footnotes omitted) (emphasis added.) Likewise, Barry Wayne Brown is now 27 years old — an age that puts him well beyond the jurisdiction of the juvenile court. Like the defendant in
Mordecai,
his waiver hearing would be difficult to reconstruct after the passage of twelve years.
More importantly, if we should determine that the juvenile court judge’s decision to waive jurisdiction was improper, we have no appropriate remedy to grant Brown. Obviously, the juvenile court cannot now take, over Brown’s case, in that it no longer possesses jurisdiction over him and its attempts to now offer “non-punitive” rehabilitation to a 27 year old man who has been in prison for twelve years and who has three more sentences to serve would be ludicrous. Accordingly, because we find that the absence of counsel at Brown’s waiver hearing, a jurisdictional proceeding, did not impair the truth-finding function of the trial as to guilt or innocence
and that proper relief would be impossible to mold in
that Brown’s alleged ultímate deprivation— the right to be tried in juvenile court— could not now be remedied, we hold
Kent
to be nonretroactive and affirm the district court’s denial of his petition.