RULING ON MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER
BLUMENFELD, District Judge.
This complex antitrust ease, one of several involving similar claims and consolidated for trial in this district, is brought by a group of building owners on behalf of all others similarly [122]*122situated.1 All of the named plaintiffs in this case are partnerships or corporations under the umbrella of The Lefrak Organization, i. e., they are all under the control and at least partial ownership of Samuel J. Lefrak.
During their discovery the defendants, manufacturers of master-key lock systems, deposed Anthony Scavo, vice president of The Lefrak Organization in charge of purchasing and the man claimed by the plaintiffs to be “the person within the plaintiffs’ organization with direct responsibility for and with direct knowledge of the purchase of builder’s hardware, including master key systems, for each of the named plaintiffs.” 2 Mr. Scavo’s testimony at his deposition revealed gaps in his knowledge concerning certain allegations in the complaint and a complete lack of knowledge about the authority by which this suit was brought and the existence of a class.3 In order to obtain further information the defendants noticed the deposition of Samuel Lefrak.
The plaintiffs by the instant motion have moved for a protective order against the taking of Lefrak’s deposition on two grounds: 1) that Lefrak has no knowledge (except that which may be imputed to him by reason of his position) of the transactions which have given rise to this action, and 2) that questions relating to the claim that this suit is a class action are improper subjects for discovery. The plaintiffs do not deny that Lefrak may have knowledge of at least some of the facts relating to these latter issues, nor do they allege that Lefrak is not the person in The Lefrak Organization best suited to answer such questions.
I. Lack of Knowledge
The defendants argue, and the plaintiffs at the hearing seemed to admit, that the general rule is that a claimed lack of knowledge does not provide sufficient grounds for a protective order; the other side is allowed to test this claim by deposing the witness.4 See Parkhurst v. Kling, 266 F.Supp. 780, 781 (E.D.Pa.1967); 4 J. Moore, Federal Practice ¶| 26.69, at 26-496 to 26-497 (Rel. No. 11—1970).
However, the plaintiffs maintain that a special rule exists in the context of corporate parties. As Professor Moore says, there is a danger that the examining party will choose to depose a corporation pursuant to Fed.R.Civ.P. 30 through its busiest officer when the desired information could easily be obtained from a subordinate. To prevent possible harassment, courts have sometimes required the examining party to settle for corporate officers other than those noticed. See id. at 26-501 to 26-502 n.22. On the other hand, courts have also sometimes followed the general rule and rejected claims of ignorance by high corporate officials as grounds for issuing protective orders against their depositions. See Less v. Taber Instrument Corp., 53 F.R.D. 645 (W.D.N.Y.1971); Transcontinental Motors, Inc. v. NSU Motorenwerke Aktiengesellschaft, 45 F.R.D. 37 (S.D.N.Y.1968); Overseas Exchange Corp. v. Inwood Motors, Inc., 20 F.R.D. 228 (S.D.N.Y.1956).
[123]*123Upon examination, it appears that the cases in which the exception for which the plaintiffs contend has been employed are distinguishable from the present action. In Armstrong Cork Co. v. Niagara Mohawk Power Corp., 16 F.R.D. 389, 390-391 (S.D.N.Y.1954) :
“Defendant apparently served a ‘shotgun’ notice naming nine officers and six directors of the plaintiff as persons whose depositions it desired to take. It is pointed out by the plaintiff that one of the persons so named is dead, and another has been retired for some time, and none of those noticed has any knowledge of the facts relating to the matters in controversy in the suit. Defendant does not appear to dispute this assertion. The affidavit submitted on behalf of defendant states that the question as to whether these individuals are without knowledge of the facts in controversy ‘may best be determined b'y the examination of Hawker, Mitchell, and Simeral’ and then continues that: ‘The others will not be examined unless it reasonably appears that they do, in fact, have knowledge.’
“In the absence of any reasonable belief that the persons have some knowledge of the facts concerning which their testimony is to be taken, there is no reason why they should be compelled to appear en masse for the taking of their depositions in New York. .
“The motion of plaintiff to vacate defendant’s notice of taking of depositions of all persons named therein, except Hawker, Mitchell, and Simeral is granted, without prejudice to the right of defendant to notice depositions of any of the others after the depositions of the above three have been concluded.”
In M. A. Porazzi Co. v. S. S. Mormaclark, 16 F.R.D. 383 (S.D.N.Y.1951), the court vacated the notice to depose a party’s vice president when it appeared that he could contribute nothing that could not be learned from examination of the company’s general claims agent, whose deposition had been consented to. However, the court’s order to vacate was without prejudice to renewal of the notice should examination of the vice president be shown necessary following deposition of the general claims agent.
In both Armstrong Cork and M. A. Porazzi the courts were willing to protect the busy corporate officers on the condition that the opposing party could have full discovery through the deposition of others. In this case, however, such an easy accommodation of the competing interests of the parties is not possible. Scavo, Lefrak’s subordinate and the person whom the plaintiffs claim is most knowledgeable about the facts underlying their claims, has been shown to lack information in a number of areas. In other words, this Court is faced with a situation in which even the Armstrong Cork and M. A. Porazzi courts would allow deposition, for full discovery seems not to be possible through the deposition of others less busy than Lefrak. It may be, of course, that Lefrak will also lack the information the defendants desire. However, at this point, when the plaintiffs’ chosen spokesman has failed to satisfy the defendants’ needs, Lefrak should have to establish his ignorance at his deposition rather than through affidavit. The wide scope of discovery afforded by the federal rules, see Hickman v. Taylor, 329 U.S. 495, 507, 67 S.Ct. 385, 91 L.Ed. 451 (1947) ; Fed.R.Civ.P. 26(b) (1), demands no less.
II. Discovery of Class Action Issues
Having concluded that there are some items as to which Lefrak may be deposed, it is expeditious to determine whether or not the scope of discovery should extend to issues related to the existence of a proper class action in this case. Cf. Fed.R.Civ.P. 26(c).
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RULING ON MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER
BLUMENFELD, District Judge.
This complex antitrust ease, one of several involving similar claims and consolidated for trial in this district, is brought by a group of building owners on behalf of all others similarly [122]*122situated.1 All of the named plaintiffs in this case are partnerships or corporations under the umbrella of The Lefrak Organization, i. e., they are all under the control and at least partial ownership of Samuel J. Lefrak.
During their discovery the defendants, manufacturers of master-key lock systems, deposed Anthony Scavo, vice president of The Lefrak Organization in charge of purchasing and the man claimed by the plaintiffs to be “the person within the plaintiffs’ organization with direct responsibility for and with direct knowledge of the purchase of builder’s hardware, including master key systems, for each of the named plaintiffs.” 2 Mr. Scavo’s testimony at his deposition revealed gaps in his knowledge concerning certain allegations in the complaint and a complete lack of knowledge about the authority by which this suit was brought and the existence of a class.3 In order to obtain further information the defendants noticed the deposition of Samuel Lefrak.
The plaintiffs by the instant motion have moved for a protective order against the taking of Lefrak’s deposition on two grounds: 1) that Lefrak has no knowledge (except that which may be imputed to him by reason of his position) of the transactions which have given rise to this action, and 2) that questions relating to the claim that this suit is a class action are improper subjects for discovery. The plaintiffs do not deny that Lefrak may have knowledge of at least some of the facts relating to these latter issues, nor do they allege that Lefrak is not the person in The Lefrak Organization best suited to answer such questions.
I. Lack of Knowledge
The defendants argue, and the plaintiffs at the hearing seemed to admit, that the general rule is that a claimed lack of knowledge does not provide sufficient grounds for a protective order; the other side is allowed to test this claim by deposing the witness.4 See Parkhurst v. Kling, 266 F.Supp. 780, 781 (E.D.Pa.1967); 4 J. Moore, Federal Practice ¶| 26.69, at 26-496 to 26-497 (Rel. No. 11—1970).
However, the plaintiffs maintain that a special rule exists in the context of corporate parties. As Professor Moore says, there is a danger that the examining party will choose to depose a corporation pursuant to Fed.R.Civ.P. 30 through its busiest officer when the desired information could easily be obtained from a subordinate. To prevent possible harassment, courts have sometimes required the examining party to settle for corporate officers other than those noticed. See id. at 26-501 to 26-502 n.22. On the other hand, courts have also sometimes followed the general rule and rejected claims of ignorance by high corporate officials as grounds for issuing protective orders against their depositions. See Less v. Taber Instrument Corp., 53 F.R.D. 645 (W.D.N.Y.1971); Transcontinental Motors, Inc. v. NSU Motorenwerke Aktiengesellschaft, 45 F.R.D. 37 (S.D.N.Y.1968); Overseas Exchange Corp. v. Inwood Motors, Inc., 20 F.R.D. 228 (S.D.N.Y.1956).
[123]*123Upon examination, it appears that the cases in which the exception for which the plaintiffs contend has been employed are distinguishable from the present action. In Armstrong Cork Co. v. Niagara Mohawk Power Corp., 16 F.R.D. 389, 390-391 (S.D.N.Y.1954) :
“Defendant apparently served a ‘shotgun’ notice naming nine officers and six directors of the plaintiff as persons whose depositions it desired to take. It is pointed out by the plaintiff that one of the persons so named is dead, and another has been retired for some time, and none of those noticed has any knowledge of the facts relating to the matters in controversy in the suit. Defendant does not appear to dispute this assertion. The affidavit submitted on behalf of defendant states that the question as to whether these individuals are without knowledge of the facts in controversy ‘may best be determined b'y the examination of Hawker, Mitchell, and Simeral’ and then continues that: ‘The others will not be examined unless it reasonably appears that they do, in fact, have knowledge.’
“In the absence of any reasonable belief that the persons have some knowledge of the facts concerning which their testimony is to be taken, there is no reason why they should be compelled to appear en masse for the taking of their depositions in New York. .
“The motion of plaintiff to vacate defendant’s notice of taking of depositions of all persons named therein, except Hawker, Mitchell, and Simeral is granted, without prejudice to the right of defendant to notice depositions of any of the others after the depositions of the above three have been concluded.”
In M. A. Porazzi Co. v. S. S. Mormaclark, 16 F.R.D. 383 (S.D.N.Y.1951), the court vacated the notice to depose a party’s vice president when it appeared that he could contribute nothing that could not be learned from examination of the company’s general claims agent, whose deposition had been consented to. However, the court’s order to vacate was without prejudice to renewal of the notice should examination of the vice president be shown necessary following deposition of the general claims agent.
In both Armstrong Cork and M. A. Porazzi the courts were willing to protect the busy corporate officers on the condition that the opposing party could have full discovery through the deposition of others. In this case, however, such an easy accommodation of the competing interests of the parties is not possible. Scavo, Lefrak’s subordinate and the person whom the plaintiffs claim is most knowledgeable about the facts underlying their claims, has been shown to lack information in a number of areas. In other words, this Court is faced with a situation in which even the Armstrong Cork and M. A. Porazzi courts would allow deposition, for full discovery seems not to be possible through the deposition of others less busy than Lefrak. It may be, of course, that Lefrak will also lack the information the defendants desire. However, at this point, when the plaintiffs’ chosen spokesman has failed to satisfy the defendants’ needs, Lefrak should have to establish his ignorance at his deposition rather than through affidavit. The wide scope of discovery afforded by the federal rules, see Hickman v. Taylor, 329 U.S. 495, 507, 67 S.Ct. 385, 91 L.Ed. 451 (1947) ; Fed.R.Civ.P. 26(b) (1), demands no less.
II. Discovery of Class Action Issues
Having concluded that there are some items as to which Lefrak may be deposed, it is expeditious to determine whether or not the scope of discovery should extend to issues related to the existence of a proper class action in this case. Cf. Fed.R.Civ.P. 26(c). Although the Court is normally reluctant to eon[124]*124sider in advance what areas a deposition may inquire into, see 4 J. Moore, Federal Practice ¶ 26.72 (Rel. No. 11—1970), the plaintiffs’ motion for a protective order has already brought the scope of Lefrak’s deposition squarely into issue, see id. Thus, I will consider whether the defendants may examine Lefrak about class action issues.
The plaintiffs’ objection to this line of inquiry is based on their characterization of it as going to the plaintiffs’ motives and their attorney’s authority for bringing this suit as a class action. The defendants, while not explicitly eschewing such inquiry, stress that this Court must at some point decide whether to certify the plaintiffs’ class.5 Towards this eventuality, they seek discovery on such issues as the plaintiffs’ financial ability and willingness to serve as representatives of such a large class,6 the typicality of the named plaintiffs’ claims, the size of the class, the commonality of questions among the class, etc.7 Cf. Fed.R.Civ.P. 23(a, b).
In light of the Supreme Court’s decision in Eisen v. Carlisle & Jaequelin, 417 U.S. 156, 94 S.Ct. 2140, 40 L.Ed.2d 732 (1974), which came down following the briefing and oral argument of this motion, the Court believes that the plaintiffs’ general objections to this line of inquiry may be disposed of summarily. In Eisen the Court overturned a procedure of the district court which allowed “a representative plaintiff to secure the benefits of a class action without first satisfying the requirements for it.” 417 U.S. at 177, 94 S.Ct. at 2152. In so doing and in reviewing the district court’s certification of the class after extensive discovery of the propriety of the class action, the Court sub silentio approved the district court’s allowance of discovery on such issues and stressed the importance of resolving them. Cf. National Auto Brokers Corp. v. General Motors Corp., 376 F.Supp. 620, 637-638 (S.D.N.Y.1974).
This Court is willing to allow the deposition of Lefrak to embrace all subjects relevant to the issue of whether this is a proper class action. The sole remaining question, therefore, is whether all the discovery sought by the defendants is relevant to this issue (or some other issue in the ease). See Fed.R.Civ.P. 26(b). In particular, the question is whether inquiries going to The Lefrak Organization’s motives or its attorney’s authority for bringing this suit, but not going to the issues enumerated by Eisen or Fed.R.Civ.P. 23(a, b), 8 are proper.
[125]*125This question seems to have engendered no firm majority position among other courts which have had to consider it, although it has been raised a number of times. See 4. J. Moore, Federal Practice ¶ 26.52[2] (Rel. No. 11—1970). However, some of these prior rulings do not seem on point in the present context,9 and when these are disregarded there is only one case cited by Moore or the parties holding in favor of allowing discovery of such matters. In Schwartz v. Broadcast Music, Inc., 16 F.R.D. 31 (S.D.N.Y.1954), discovery of possible sponsorship of the suit by a group not named as a party was permitted even though the judge thought that anything discovered would be inadmissi[126]*126ble at trial. But cf. Arlington Glass Co. v. Pittsburgh Plate Glass Co., 24 F.R.D. 50 (N.D.Ill.1959). Judge Dimoek did not explain his reasoning in allowing the discovery other than to indicate that “[i]t is enough if the information sought is relevant for the purposes of pre-trial examination.” 16 F.R.D. at 32.10
Against this single strand of authority stands the analysis in Foremost Promotions, Inc. v. Pabst Brewing Co., 15 F.R.D. 128, 129-130 (N.D.Ill.1953):
“At a deposition taken pursuant to Rule 26 of the Rules of Civil Procedure, 28 U.S.C.A., Mr. Roberson, representing the defendants, Pabst Brewing Company and Pabst Sales Company, propounded questions to sundry of the plaintiffs concerning the discussions between the plaintiffs which led to the filing of the complaint, the manner in which the particular plaintiff’s participation in the action was solicited, the arrangement for fees, and other information concerning the discussions relative to the institution of the action. Plaintiffs’ counsel directed witnesses not to answer on the ground of irrelevancy .
“The narrow question then is whether the testimony sought to be elicited ‘appears reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence.’ Of course, the question concerning anything under the sun might lead to a chain reaction in the witness’ mind which might develop relevant testimony or lead to a substantial clue to relevant testimony. Such a possibility might lead to endless and intolerable interrogation. It is the duty of the court to keep the inquiry within reasonable bounds and to restrict questions to those having substantial relevancy to a sensible investigation. It is difficult to see how an inquiry into the circumstances surrounding the instigation of the action could affect the substance of the claim. The responses might lead to embarrassing admissions of champerty or unconscionable arrangements as to fees and expenses, but these excesses are not in any way relevant to the trial of the particular issue.”
See Giordani v. Hoffman, 278 F.Supp. 886, 890-891 (E.D.Pa.1968) (following and citing Foremost Promotions); Higgins v. Shenango Pottery Co., 12 F.R.D. 510 (W.D.Pa.1952) (motive of corporation in defending derivative suit irrelevant and therefore not discoverable).11
This Court finds the reasoning of Foremost Promotions persuasive. In the absence of any argument by the defendants showing possible relevance of the plaintiffs’ motives or the authority of their attorney for bringing this suit, the Court orders the deposition of Lefrak to proceed but limits its scope to exclude such matter. Fed.R.Civ.P. 26(c) (4).
So ordered.