Chalmeks, J.,
delivered the opinion of the court.
More than forty years ago there came to Holmes County in this State a man calling himself Charles Wise. His parentage and past antecedents were wholly unknown, and except to a very few persons he seems to have preserved great reticence on these subjects. He lived in Holmes County continuously .thereafter, until his death in 1870, and in the mean time accumulated a considerable landed estate. Hying intestate, unmarried, and without known heirs, his property after his death was by regular proceedings escheated to the State, and from the State subsequently purchased by the appellee, Wynn. Within the time limited by our statutes (Code 1880, § 892), this action has been brought for the recovery of the property by those who claim to be the heirs-at-law of the decedent.
They prove that they are the children of Thomas Wise, deceased, formerly a resident of a place known as “ Hell’s [591]*591Corner,” in Amelia County, Virginia, where the corners of three counties come together ; that nearly fifty years ago their father had a younger brother named Charles, who having seduced a young lady of respectable family, fled the country to escape the vengeance of her relatives, and announced at the time, to an intimate friend, that he expected to go to Texas or Mississippi, and that he should take care that no one in Virginia shoirld ever discover the place of his future home. The friend to whom this statement was made is still alive, and these facts are established by his testimony. From that time forth, until within a short time before the bringing of this suit, nothing was ever heard in Virginia of the subsequent career of Charles Wise. Having made this proof, the plaintiffs proposed to prove by two witnesses, living in Holmes County, that the man known there as Charles Wise, and whose estate is involved in this litigation, told them that he came from a place in Virginia known as “ Hell’s Corner,” where the corners of three counties came together, that he had there a brother named Thomas, and that he had left there because of some trouble about a woman. The whole of this proffered testimony was excluded by the court below, except the isolated statement of the deceased that he had a brother named Thomas, the witnesses not even being allowed to state that the deceased had said that his brother Thomas lived in Virginia, or that he himself came from that State.
This ruling of the learned judge was based upon the dicta of many authorities to the effect, that while in questions of pedigree the hearsay declarations of a deceased member of a family are receivable in evidence, as to all matters of birth, death, age, marriage, and the like, declarations as to place are not. The later and better considered cases, however, repudiate this distinction between declarations as to place and those touching other family matters, where the inquiry is strictly one of pedigree, and the declarations as to place are not relied on as giving any right by reason of the place, but proof as to place is made merely by way of identification of the person or family. Thus, in a question of settlement under the poor laws, where the right of settlement is dependent upon the place of present or former residence, hearsay declarations as [592]*592to place are inadmissible; but where the question is purely one of pedigree, and the effort is to identify the particular person or family about whom the declarant was speaking, declarations as to place stand upon the same footing as any others relative to matters of family history. Wharton Evid. § 208, and cases cited. Manifestly this is the true rule here. There can be no reason founded in good sense for admitting the declarations of a deceased person that he has a brother named Thomas, and excluding his statement of where that brother lives. The name wholly fails to identify without identification of the place, and the one is worthless without the other. If the court below was correct in admitting auy of the declarations of Charles Wise touching his family, it should have admitted them all, since they all tended to establish his own identity, and were proffered not for the purpose of basing any particular right on the place of his alleged nativity, but solely for the purpose of showing who he was, and to what family he belonged.
But was it admissible to show this by his own statements, without some proof outside of his own declarations connecting him with the family of which he claimed to be a member ? The general rule undoubtedly is, that before hearsay declarations in matters of pedigree can be introduced in evidence, some proof dehors the declarations must be made that the declarant was in fact a member of the family about which he was speaking. It was unanimously so ruled by all the judges in The Banbury Peerage Case, 2 Selwyn N. P. 764, where the petitioner sought to introduce in evidence the statements and depositions contained in a chancery litigation conducted more than one hundred and fifty years before, in which an ancestor of the petitioner styled himself, and was styled by those who professed to belong to the family, the legitimate son of A. B. It was held that such statements were not admissible, though upon a question of pedigree, until it could be shown by proof aliunde that those making these statements actually were members of the family as to which the claim was preferred. The same doctrine is announced in Monkton v. Attorney General, 2 Russ. & Myl. 147, though it may perhaps be doubted whether the conclusion reached in that [593]*593case does not offend against the doctrine. But in these- and many other cases of a similar character, which might be cited, the attempt was to set up some right derived through the declarant, and to establish that right by his own statements as to the pedigree of the family of which he claimed to be a member. It seems manifest that this cannot be done without precedent proof from other sources that he is what he claims to be, to wit, a member of the family. Thus, if Charles Wise had married here, and left children, it is clear that those children could not have claimed any intérest in .the estate of Thomas Wise, in Virginia, by virtue alone of their father’s statement that Thomas was his brother. But how is it when the case is reversed, and a plaintiff is seeking to reach the estate of the declarant by evidence of what he said with reference to his family and kindred ? It is quite clear that I cannot establish my right to share in the estate of A. by proof alone of the fact that my father declared in his lifetime that A. was his brother, but may I not do so by showing that A. himself so declared? Upon this question we find a singular dearth of authorities. In Adie v. Commonwealth, 25 Gratt. 712, a case strikingly like this in all its features, testimony of this character seems to have been admitted without objection, and so also in Cuddy v. Brown, 78 Ill. 415. In Moffit v. Witherspoon, 10 Ired. 185, persons who claimed to be the nephews and nieces of Mrs. Donahoe, in an ejectment suit brought after her death to recover certain real estate belonging to her during her life,- were permitted to prove that she had declared, many years before her death, that the mother of the plaintiffs was her only sister, and no other proof of heirship than this seems to have been offered. In Shields v. Boucher, 1 De G. & Sm. 40 (a case to which we have not had access, but which is referred to at length in Wharton Evid.
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Chalmeks, J.,
delivered the opinion of the court.
More than forty years ago there came to Holmes County in this State a man calling himself Charles Wise. His parentage and past antecedents were wholly unknown, and except to a very few persons he seems to have preserved great reticence on these subjects. He lived in Holmes County continuously .thereafter, until his death in 1870, and in the mean time accumulated a considerable landed estate. Hying intestate, unmarried, and without known heirs, his property after his death was by regular proceedings escheated to the State, and from the State subsequently purchased by the appellee, Wynn. Within the time limited by our statutes (Code 1880, § 892), this action has been brought for the recovery of the property by those who claim to be the heirs-at-law of the decedent.
They prove that they are the children of Thomas Wise, deceased, formerly a resident of a place known as “ Hell’s [591]*591Corner,” in Amelia County, Virginia, where the corners of three counties come together ; that nearly fifty years ago their father had a younger brother named Charles, who having seduced a young lady of respectable family, fled the country to escape the vengeance of her relatives, and announced at the time, to an intimate friend, that he expected to go to Texas or Mississippi, and that he should take care that no one in Virginia shoirld ever discover the place of his future home. The friend to whom this statement was made is still alive, and these facts are established by his testimony. From that time forth, until within a short time before the bringing of this suit, nothing was ever heard in Virginia of the subsequent career of Charles Wise. Having made this proof, the plaintiffs proposed to prove by two witnesses, living in Holmes County, that the man known there as Charles Wise, and whose estate is involved in this litigation, told them that he came from a place in Virginia known as “ Hell’s Corner,” where the corners of three counties came together, that he had there a brother named Thomas, and that he had left there because of some trouble about a woman. The whole of this proffered testimony was excluded by the court below, except the isolated statement of the deceased that he had a brother named Thomas, the witnesses not even being allowed to state that the deceased had said that his brother Thomas lived in Virginia, or that he himself came from that State.
This ruling of the learned judge was based upon the dicta of many authorities to the effect, that while in questions of pedigree the hearsay declarations of a deceased member of a family are receivable in evidence, as to all matters of birth, death, age, marriage, and the like, declarations as to place are not. The later and better considered cases, however, repudiate this distinction between declarations as to place and those touching other family matters, where the inquiry is strictly one of pedigree, and the declarations as to place are not relied on as giving any right by reason of the place, but proof as to place is made merely by way of identification of the person or family. Thus, in a question of settlement under the poor laws, where the right of settlement is dependent upon the place of present or former residence, hearsay declarations as [592]*592to place are inadmissible; but where the question is purely one of pedigree, and the effort is to identify the particular person or family about whom the declarant was speaking, declarations as to place stand upon the same footing as any others relative to matters of family history. Wharton Evid. § 208, and cases cited. Manifestly this is the true rule here. There can be no reason founded in good sense for admitting the declarations of a deceased person that he has a brother named Thomas, and excluding his statement of where that brother lives. The name wholly fails to identify without identification of the place, and the one is worthless without the other. If the court below was correct in admitting auy of the declarations of Charles Wise touching his family, it should have admitted them all, since they all tended to establish his own identity, and were proffered not for the purpose of basing any particular right on the place of his alleged nativity, but solely for the purpose of showing who he was, and to what family he belonged.
But was it admissible to show this by his own statements, without some proof outside of his own declarations connecting him with the family of which he claimed to be a member ? The general rule undoubtedly is, that before hearsay declarations in matters of pedigree can be introduced in evidence, some proof dehors the declarations must be made that the declarant was in fact a member of the family about which he was speaking. It was unanimously so ruled by all the judges in The Banbury Peerage Case, 2 Selwyn N. P. 764, where the petitioner sought to introduce in evidence the statements and depositions contained in a chancery litigation conducted more than one hundred and fifty years before, in which an ancestor of the petitioner styled himself, and was styled by those who professed to belong to the family, the legitimate son of A. B. It was held that such statements were not admissible, though upon a question of pedigree, until it could be shown by proof aliunde that those making these statements actually were members of the family as to which the claim was preferred. The same doctrine is announced in Monkton v. Attorney General, 2 Russ. & Myl. 147, though it may perhaps be doubted whether the conclusion reached in that [593]*593case does not offend against the doctrine. But in these- and many other cases of a similar character, which might be cited, the attempt was to set up some right derived through the declarant, and to establish that right by his own statements as to the pedigree of the family of which he claimed to be a member. It seems manifest that this cannot be done without precedent proof from other sources that he is what he claims to be, to wit, a member of the family. Thus, if Charles Wise had married here, and left children, it is clear that those children could not have claimed any intérest in .the estate of Thomas Wise, in Virginia, by virtue alone of their father’s statement that Thomas was his brother. But how is it when the case is reversed, and a plaintiff is seeking to reach the estate of the declarant by evidence of what he said with reference to his family and kindred ? It is quite clear that I cannot establish my right to share in the estate of A. by proof alone of the fact that my father declared in his lifetime that A. was his brother, but may I not do so by showing that A. himself so declared? Upon this question we find a singular dearth of authorities. In Adie v. Commonwealth, 25 Gratt. 712, a case strikingly like this in all its features, testimony of this character seems to have been admitted without objection, and so also in Cuddy v. Brown, 78 Ill. 415. In Moffit v. Witherspoon, 10 Ired. 185, persons who claimed to be the nephews and nieces of Mrs. Donahoe, in an ejectment suit brought after her death to recover certain real estate belonging to her during her life,- were permitted to prove that she had declared, many years before her death, that the mother of the plaintiffs was her only sister, and no other proof of heirship than this seems to have been offered. In Shields v. Boucher, 1 De G. & Sm. 40 (a case to which we have not had access, but which is referred to at length in Wharton Evid. § 208, note 4), Sir Knight Bruce expressed the strong conviction that in a controversy purely genealogical declarations made by' a deceased person, as to where he or his family came from, of what place his father was designated, and what occupation he followed, would be admissible, and might be most material evidence for the purpose of identifying and individualizing the person and family under discussion.
[594]*594Independently of these or of any authorities, we think ex necessitate rei and as a matter of common sense, that declarations such as were offered here and under the circumstances here existing, should always be received in evidence. They stand to some extent upon the footing of declarations against interest, or of what Mr. Wharton calls “ self-disserving declarations.” If they be not admitted, there must be in many cases a failure of justice. No man who knew Charles Wise in Virginia ever saw him here, and nó man who knew him. here ever saw him in Virginia; and if we reject his own statements as to who he was, and whence he came, these inquiries must remain forever unanswered. If such be the rule of law, it must be impossible legally to establish the identity of very many travellers who die among strangers in distant lands, although in point of fact there may not be in any man’s mind the slightest doubt as to who they were.
Reversed and remanded.