OPINION
SULLIVAN, Judge.
Sandy L. White (Sandy) appeals the trial court's decree dissolving her marriage to Daniel G. White (Daniel) and awarding custody of the couple's two minor children to Daniel.
We affirm.
The sole issue Sandy presents for our review is whether the trial court committed reversible error when it refused to allow her to call the parties' ten-year-old son as a witness at the dissolution hearing.
On April 25, 1994, the trial court entered a Decree of Dissolution dissolving Daniel and Sandy's marriage. The decree awarded Daniel custody of the couple's two minor children. The facts most favorable to the trial court's judgment disclose that Daniel and Sandy married in 1982. Two children were born of the marriage, a son, Joshua, and a daughter, Jessica. On April 30, 1998, Sandy filed a dissolution petition. The trial court held a final contested hearing on the dissolution petition on January 13, 1994, at which both Sandy and Daniel sought custody. At the time of the hearing, Joshua was ten years of age, and Jessica was five. Before the submission of evidence at the hearing, Sandy's counsel requested that the trial court conduct an in-camera interview with the couple's two children before it made a custody decision. The trial court took the matter under advisement pending submission of all evidence.
Sandy called Daniel as her first witness, and he testified, among other things, that Sandy had a bad temper. The next witness was Dr. Richard L. Lawlor, a clinical psychologist who conducted a custody evaluation.
Dr. Lawlor was Daniel's witness, but
the parties agreed to allow him to testify out of order during Sandy's case-in-chief, Dr. Lawlor testified at trial that it would be in the best interests of the children for the trial court to award sole custody to Daniel because Sandy was engaging in a pattern of behavior known as parental alienation syndrome, a series of actions and "maneuvers" by which she would attempt to exclude Daniel and to denigrate him in the eyes of the children.
Dr. Lawlor also stated that Sandy displayed excessive anger and hostility toward Daniel.
Daniel's mother, Dorothy White (Dorothy), and his sister-in-law, Elizabeth White (Elizabeth), both testified that Sandy displayed anger and hostility. They also each testified that they saw Sandy kick Joshua.
Near the end of Daniel's presentation of evidence, the court informed counsel that it would have to resume the hearing at a later date.
On February 11, 1994, four days before the date on which the hearing was set to resume, the trial court denied Sandy's request for an in-camera interview. The hearing continued on February 15, 1994,
at which time Daniel testified and then rested his case. Sandy presented two rebuttal witnesses, both of whom testified that they had never seen Sandy become physically abusive toward her children, and that she would provide a suitable environment for the children. Next, Sandy's trial counsel attempted to call Joshua as a rebuttal witness. Daniel's counsel objected to "exposing [Joshua] to a Court Room", contending that testifying would have a damaging emotional effect on him. Record at 534. The trial court sustained Daniel's objection and refused to allow Sandy to call Joshua as a witness, stating, in part, as follows:
"It is the position of this Court and has been the position of this Court since day one that children of the parties are not to be called as witnesses. I will allow children of the parties to be called as witnesses if the issue is emancipation for the limited purpose of them testifying as to whether they meet the qualifications of the statute. I will allow children of the parties to be called as witnesses for the limited purpose of them testifying as to advanced educational expenses. ... I think that it is abundantly clear, based on [.C. 81-1-11.5-21(d)] and based on case law, that it is within this Court's discretion to exclude children as witnesses." Record at 542-48.
Sandy then testified as a rebuttal witness and specifically denied allegations that she ever kicked Joshua as Elizabeth and Dorothy White had testified.
On February 25, 1994, the trial court entered findings of fact and an order awarding Daniel custody of the children. The trial court's findings formed the basis for the dissolution decree, which awarded Daniel sole custody subject to Sandy's guideline visitation.
At custody hearings, a parent seeking custody bears the burden to demonstrate his or her fitness, and may submit evidence which reflects the other parent's incapacity to serve the child's best interests. The trial court then exercises its discretion to award custody of the child consistent with the child's best interests. E.g., In re Marriage of Myers (1979) 3d Dist., 180 Ind.App. 284, 387 N.E.2d 1360, 1364. This court generally will not reverse a custody determination absent a manifest abuse of discretion. See Buchanan v. Buchanan (1971) 256 Ind. 119, 267 N.E.2d 155, 158; Myers, supra at 1364; Schwartz v. Schwartz (1976) 1st Dist., 170 Ind.App. 241, 351 N.E.2d 900, 901. A trial judge abuses his or her discretion if he or she renders a decision that is clearly against the logic and effect of the facts and circumstances before the court or the reasonable inferences to be drawn therefrom. Prenatt v. Stevens (1992) 4th Dist. Ind.App., 598 N.E.2d 616, 619; Walker v. Walker (1989) 4th Dist. Ind.App., 539 N.E.2d 509, 510. See also Myers, supra, 387 N.E.2d at 1364; Schwartz, supra at 901; Shaw v. Shaw (1973) 2d Dist., 159 Ind.App. 33, 304 N.E.2d 536, 539.
By refusing to allow Joshua to testify in any manner during the dissolution proceedings, the trial court essentially made two determinations. First, it refused to allow Joshua to rebut Dorothy and Elizabeth White's allegations that Sandy kicked him on a specific occasion or occasions. In addition, the trial court also foreclosed Sandy from eliciting any testimony regarding Joshua's custody preference. We therefore review each of these decisions.
I. Exclusion of Child's Rebuttal Testimony
Sandy contends that the trial court committed reversible error in not allowing Joshua to rebut Dr. Lawlor's allegations that she restricted the children's access to Daniel, as well as the allegations that Sandy kicked him. Daniel responds that the trial court did not err because I.C. 31-1-11.5-21(d)
grants a trial judge discretion not to allow a child to testify at dissolution proceedings. Alternatively, Daniel contends that even if the trial court committed error, it was harmless because other evidence in the record addressed the same points that Joshua would have made on the stand.
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OPINION
SULLIVAN, Judge.
Sandy L. White (Sandy) appeals the trial court's decree dissolving her marriage to Daniel G. White (Daniel) and awarding custody of the couple's two minor children to Daniel.
We affirm.
The sole issue Sandy presents for our review is whether the trial court committed reversible error when it refused to allow her to call the parties' ten-year-old son as a witness at the dissolution hearing.
On April 25, 1994, the trial court entered a Decree of Dissolution dissolving Daniel and Sandy's marriage. The decree awarded Daniel custody of the couple's two minor children. The facts most favorable to the trial court's judgment disclose that Daniel and Sandy married in 1982. Two children were born of the marriage, a son, Joshua, and a daughter, Jessica. On April 30, 1998, Sandy filed a dissolution petition. The trial court held a final contested hearing on the dissolution petition on January 13, 1994, at which both Sandy and Daniel sought custody. At the time of the hearing, Joshua was ten years of age, and Jessica was five. Before the submission of evidence at the hearing, Sandy's counsel requested that the trial court conduct an in-camera interview with the couple's two children before it made a custody decision. The trial court took the matter under advisement pending submission of all evidence.
Sandy called Daniel as her first witness, and he testified, among other things, that Sandy had a bad temper. The next witness was Dr. Richard L. Lawlor, a clinical psychologist who conducted a custody evaluation.
Dr. Lawlor was Daniel's witness, but
the parties agreed to allow him to testify out of order during Sandy's case-in-chief, Dr. Lawlor testified at trial that it would be in the best interests of the children for the trial court to award sole custody to Daniel because Sandy was engaging in a pattern of behavior known as parental alienation syndrome, a series of actions and "maneuvers" by which she would attempt to exclude Daniel and to denigrate him in the eyes of the children.
Dr. Lawlor also stated that Sandy displayed excessive anger and hostility toward Daniel.
Daniel's mother, Dorothy White (Dorothy), and his sister-in-law, Elizabeth White (Elizabeth), both testified that Sandy displayed anger and hostility. They also each testified that they saw Sandy kick Joshua.
Near the end of Daniel's presentation of evidence, the court informed counsel that it would have to resume the hearing at a later date.
On February 11, 1994, four days before the date on which the hearing was set to resume, the trial court denied Sandy's request for an in-camera interview. The hearing continued on February 15, 1994,
at which time Daniel testified and then rested his case. Sandy presented two rebuttal witnesses, both of whom testified that they had never seen Sandy become physically abusive toward her children, and that she would provide a suitable environment for the children. Next, Sandy's trial counsel attempted to call Joshua as a rebuttal witness. Daniel's counsel objected to "exposing [Joshua] to a Court Room", contending that testifying would have a damaging emotional effect on him. Record at 534. The trial court sustained Daniel's objection and refused to allow Sandy to call Joshua as a witness, stating, in part, as follows:
"It is the position of this Court and has been the position of this Court since day one that children of the parties are not to be called as witnesses. I will allow children of the parties to be called as witnesses if the issue is emancipation for the limited purpose of them testifying as to whether they meet the qualifications of the statute. I will allow children of the parties to be called as witnesses for the limited purpose of them testifying as to advanced educational expenses. ... I think that it is abundantly clear, based on [.C. 81-1-11.5-21(d)] and based on case law, that it is within this Court's discretion to exclude children as witnesses." Record at 542-48.
Sandy then testified as a rebuttal witness and specifically denied allegations that she ever kicked Joshua as Elizabeth and Dorothy White had testified.
On February 25, 1994, the trial court entered findings of fact and an order awarding Daniel custody of the children. The trial court's findings formed the basis for the dissolution decree, which awarded Daniel sole custody subject to Sandy's guideline visitation.
At custody hearings, a parent seeking custody bears the burden to demonstrate his or her fitness, and may submit evidence which reflects the other parent's incapacity to serve the child's best interests. The trial court then exercises its discretion to award custody of the child consistent with the child's best interests. E.g., In re Marriage of Myers (1979) 3d Dist., 180 Ind.App. 284, 387 N.E.2d 1360, 1364. This court generally will not reverse a custody determination absent a manifest abuse of discretion. See Buchanan v. Buchanan (1971) 256 Ind. 119, 267 N.E.2d 155, 158; Myers, supra at 1364; Schwartz v. Schwartz (1976) 1st Dist., 170 Ind.App. 241, 351 N.E.2d 900, 901. A trial judge abuses his or her discretion if he or she renders a decision that is clearly against the logic and effect of the facts and circumstances before the court or the reasonable inferences to be drawn therefrom. Prenatt v. Stevens (1992) 4th Dist. Ind.App., 598 N.E.2d 616, 619; Walker v. Walker (1989) 4th Dist. Ind.App., 539 N.E.2d 509, 510. See also Myers, supra, 387 N.E.2d at 1364; Schwartz, supra at 901; Shaw v. Shaw (1973) 2d Dist., 159 Ind.App. 33, 304 N.E.2d 536, 539.
By refusing to allow Joshua to testify in any manner during the dissolution proceedings, the trial court essentially made two determinations. First, it refused to allow Joshua to rebut Dorothy and Elizabeth White's allegations that Sandy kicked him on a specific occasion or occasions. In addition, the trial court also foreclosed Sandy from eliciting any testimony regarding Joshua's custody preference. We therefore review each of these decisions.
I. Exclusion of Child's Rebuttal Testimony
Sandy contends that the trial court committed reversible error in not allowing Joshua to rebut Dr. Lawlor's allegations that she restricted the children's access to Daniel, as well as the allegations that Sandy kicked him. Daniel responds that the trial court did not err because I.C. 31-1-11.5-21(d)
grants a trial judge discretion not to allow a child to testify at dissolution proceedings. Alternatively, Daniel contends that even if the trial court committed error, it was harmless because other evidence in the record addressed the same points that Joshua would have made on the stand. Daniel specifically draws our attention to the fact that Sandy testified on rebuttal and denied the allegations that Dorothy and Elizabeth White had made.
Because Joshua was ten years of age at the time of the hearing, Indiana law does not presume that he was incompetent to testify.
We mention the issue of Joshua's competency because Sandy devotes a significant portion of her briefs to arguing that the trial judge could not automatically presume Joshua incompetent. We agree. In doing so, however, we note that the trial judge's relue-tance to allow Joshua to testify does not appear to arise because of a determination or even a suspicion that Joshua was incapable of understanding the nature and significance of an oath. Rather, it appears that the trial judge was more concerned about the emotional toll on Joshua which testifying in his parents' dissolution proceeding would exact. Nevertheless, while the trial judge's motives were no doubt admirable in trying to shield Joshua from the dissolution and custody pro
ceedings, we must agree that he erred in doing so with regard to certain rebuttal testimony.
The facts here are similar to those presented in Bowman v. Bowman (1948) 118 Ind.App. 137, 77 N.E.2d 900. Bowman involved the proffered testimony of an eleven-year-old child of the parties to a dissolution proceeding whose father offered her as a witness at those proceedings. After the girl gave her age and stated that she was a child of the parties, her mother's attorney objected to any " 'further use'" of her testimony due to her age and the "nature of the case." Id. 77 N.E.2d at 901. The trial court sustained the objection and refused to allow the child to testify further. Upon appeal, the Bowman court reversed, first noting that children over ten years of age are competent witnesses. Id. The court then stated that it knew of "no authority vested in the trial court" which would allow the court to exelude the child's testimony in such a situation. Id.
Here, the trial judge determined that IC. 31-1-11.5-2l1(d) as well as case law
placed within his discretion whether to exclude children of the parties as witnesses in dissolution proceedings. We disagree with the trial judge's interpretation of I.C. 31-1-11.5-21(d). IC. 81-1-11.5-21 addresses child custody orders. Section (a) provides that a trial court "shall determine custody and enter a custody order in accordance with the best interests of the child" and that the court "shall consider all relevant factors" including those which the statute specifies.
Section (d) provides as follows:
"The court may interview the child in chambers to ascertain the child's wishes. The court may permit counsel to be present at the interview, in which event a record may be made of the interview and the same may be made part of the record for purposes of appeal."
Section (d) is a provision which allows a trial judge to interview minor children in chambers to ascertain their views regarding, for example, a custody preference. The in-camera interview allows the trial judge an alternative vehicle for ascertaining the information which Section (a) delineates without placing the children in the middle of an adversarial, open-court custody battle. See Truden v. Jacequay (1985) 3d Dist. Ind.App., 480 N.E.2d 974, 979.
Contrary to Daniel's assertions, Section (d) merely provides an option for, and governs the conduct of, in-camera interviews. Indeed, a trial judge is vested with rather broad discretion in conducting an interview should the judge decide to hold such an interview pursuant to Section (d). For example, a trial judge may, in his or her disceretion, determine whether counsel should be present and whether or not to make a record of the interview. We discern no legislative intent by the creation of such a discretionary in-camera interview process that such discretion carries over into the broader and more general area of testimonial evidence. We conclude, therefore, that Section (d) does not afford a trial judge discretion in determining whether an otherwise competent child may
testify in open court during dissolution proceedings.
While it may be good policy to exclude some otherwise competent persons, including children, from the adversarial and confrontational setting, articulation of such policy should be left to the legislature. The present rules of evidence clearly indicate that a party in civil litigation is free to call and to obtain the testimony of competent witnesses. The trial court lacks discretion to accept or reject those witnesses.
We next examine the nature of Joshua's proffered testimony. After the trial judge ruled that Joshua could not testify at the hearing, Sandy's counsel made an offer to prove, in which it was stated that Joshua would have, among other things,
understood the nature of an oath and would have testified that no incidents of kicking as described by Dorothy and Elizabeth White ever occurred. Rebuttal evidence is evidence which tends to explain, contradict, or disprove an adversary's evidence. McCullough v. Archbold Ladder Co. (1993) Ind., 605 N.E.2d 175, 180; Coffman v. Austgen's Electric Inc. (1982) 3d Dist. Ind.App., 437 N.E.2d 1003, 1005. Thus, any testimony from Joshua indicating that Sandy did not kick him as Dorothy and Elizabeth White earlier testified is proper rebuttal testimony, and the trial judge erred in precluding Joshua from rebutting such allegations.
We turn now to Daniel's argument that the error was harmless. If a trial court erroneously excludes evidence, we will reverse only if the error relates to a material matter or is of such character as to affect the "substantial rights of the parties." Ind. Trial Rule 61; see also Manns v. State, Dep't of Highways (1989) Ind., 541 N.E.2d 929, 936; Dynes v. Dynes (1994) 2d Dist. Ind.App., 637 N.E.2d 1321, 1324, trans. denied; Indiana Insurance Co. v. Plummer Power Mower & Tool Rental, Inc. (1992) 4th Dist.Ind.App., 590 N.E.2d 1085, 1088.
We have likewise recognized that error in the exclusion of evidence is not grounds for reversal unless our refusal to reverse would be "inconsistent with substantial justice." TR. 61; Indiana & Michigan Elec. Co. v. Hurm (1981) 1st Dist. Ind.App., 422 N.E.2d 371, 376, reh'g denied. We are satisfied that the error here does not mandate reversal.
We will deem harmless a trial court's erroneous ruling if the record otherwise indicates that the trial court clearly would have entered the same judgment regardless of the error. See Vollimar by Vollmar v. Rupright (1988) 2d Dist.Ind.App., 517 N.E.2d 1240; Miller v. Faulkner (1987) 3d Dist.Ind.App., 506 N.E.2d 52. Here, even if the trial court had allowed Joshua to rebut the allegations that Sandy had kicked him, such testimony, if examined in conjunction with the other evidence of record, leads unerringly to the conclusion that the trial court did not err in determining that sole custody with Daniel was in the best interests of the children.
In this connection, and as earlier noted, Dr. Lawlor testified that Sandy was engaging in a pattern of behavior he described as parental alienation syndrome. Furthermore, a significant portion of Daniel's evidence revealed that Sandy had a volatile temper and that she displayed socially inappropriate behavior. Testimony also revealed concern over the fact that the five-year-old daughter,
Jessica, had yet to be fully potty-trained while under Sandy's primary supervision. Further, we are cognizant of the comparative credence afforded to both the doctor's testimony and that of Dorothy and Elizabeth White, especially in light of the fact that Joshua had been living with Sandy at the time of trial and was particularly susceptible to undue pressure, wittingly exerted or not, to favor Sandy in his testimony. According ly, we agree that a refusal to reverse here because Joshua was not permitted to rebut Daniel's allegations of abuse is not inconsistent with substantial justice. The error does not mandate reversal.
II. Exclusion of Child's Testimony Regarding Custody Preference
The record reveals that Sandy sought not only to use Joshua's testimony to rebut allegations that she kicked him, but that she also desired to elicit testimony from Joshua regarding which parent with whom he wished or preferred to live.
She did not, however, seek such testimony until the rebuttal phase of the trial. Sandy closed her case-in-chief before the trial court ruled on her in-camera interview request. By the time the hearing resumed some days later, the trial court, by then, had denied the request. Thus, the rebuttal phase of the proceedings was Sandy's last chance, so to speak, to offer such evidence.
As noted above, rebuttal evidence is evidence that tends to explain, contradict or disprove an adversary's evidence. McCullough, supra, 605 N.E.2d at 180; Coffman, supra, 437 N.E.2d at 1005. Further, trial courts may properly exclude testimony or evidence a proponent offers in rebuttal that he or she should have offered during his or her case-in-chief. Coffman, supra, 437 N.E.2d at 1005; Waugaman v. Gary Methodist Hospital (1972) 2d Dist., 151 Ind.App. 279, 279 N.E.2d 240, 243; see also McCullough, supra at 180; Carter v. Aetna Life Ins. Co. (1940) 217 Ind. 282, 292, 27 N.E.2d 75, 78-79. Whether a trial court may exclude such testimony offered for rebuttal is a decision left to the trial judge's sound discretion. Ind.Trial Rule 43(C); McCullough, supra at 180; City of Indianapolis, Dep't of Metropolitan Development v. Heeter (1976) 1st Dist., 171 Ind.App. 119, 355 N.E.2d 429, 438; Waugaman, supra, 279 N.E.2d at 243.
A trial judge abuses his discretion if he renders a decision that is clearly against the logic and effect of the facts and cireum-stances before the court or the reasonable, probable and actual deductions to be drawn from those facts and circumstances. Seq,
e.g., Myers v. Myers (1990) Ind., 560 N.E.2d 39.
Here, Joshua's proffered testimony regarding his custody preference was an improper subject for rebuttal. At no time during the hearing does the record reveal that either child had expressed a preference for living with one parent as opposed to the other. Thus, Joshua's testimony cannot be gainsaid to explain, contradict or disprove evidence that Daniel previously elicited.
Furthermore, the trial court made it clear that Sandy's in-camera interview request would be taken under advisement "pending submission of all evidence in this cause." Record at 142 (emphasis supplied). Accordingly, Sandy knew that there would not be a ruling upon her in-camera interview request until after both sides had called all witnesses. Thus, she cannot successfully claim that she did not call Joshua because she assumed that the trial court would have conducted an in-camera interview. In addition, the record reveals that both children were present at the courthouse during the hearing sessions, and nothing appears to have prevented Sandy from calling Joshua as a witness during her case-in-chief in an attempt to elicit testimony addressing his custody preference.
Upon appeal we will not substitute our judgments for those of the trial judge. Matters committed to judicial discretion are those requiring an on-the-spot decision made in light of the trial judge's knowledge, sense of fairness and equity, and the facts and cireumstances present in the courtroom. See McCullough v. Archbold Ladder Co. (1992) 1st Dist.Ind.App., 587 N.E.2d 158, 162, (Baker, J., dissenting).
The record simply does not reveal that the trial judge's decision not to allow Joshua to testify as a rebuttal witness regarding his custody preference is clearly against the logic and effect of the facts and cireumstances before him or the reasonable, probable and actual deductions he could draw from those facts and cireum-stances.
CONCLUSION
The error the trial judge committed in precluding Joshua from rebutting allegations that Sandy kicked him does not mandate reversal. The trial judge did not abuse his discretion in disallowing Joshua to testify on rebuttal regarding his custody preference, which was a matter properly for Sandy's case-in-chief.
Sandy does not present a frivolous appeal. We therefore deny Daniel's request for appellate attorney's fees.
The judgment is affirmed.
FRIEDLANDER and RILEY, JJ., concur.