Per Curiam.
Appellants appeal only that part of the decision concerning the grand jury subpoenas and the Grand Jury Witness Record Book. The parties argue three issues concerning the subpoenas and the witness book: (1) whether the documents are protected by grand jury secrecy under Crim.R. 6(E); (2) whether the documents are “confidential law enforcement investigatory records,” as defined in R.C. 149.43(A)(2), and thus not “public records,” as defined in R.C. 149.43(A)(1); and (3) whether the records are protected by the local court order of the appellee judges, as a manifestation of the inherent authority of a common pleas court to supervise the activities of the grand jury in a county. The court of appeals decided only the first of the three issues, holding that Crim.R. 6(E) provided an exception to disclosure under the Public Records Act. We affirm that judgment.
I. Crim.R. 6(E)
Crim.R. 6(E) states in part:
“Secrecy of proceedings and disclosure. Deliberations of the grand jury and the vote of any grand juror shall not be disclosed. Disclosure of other matters occurring before the grand jury may be made to the prosecuting attorney for use in the performance of his duties. A grand juror, prosecuting attorney, interpretor, stenographer, operator of a recording device, or typist who transcribes recorded testimony, may disclose matters occurring before the grand jury, other than the deliberations of a grand jury or the vote of a grand juror, but may disclose such matters only when so directed by the court preliminary to or in connection with a judicial proceeding, or when permitted by the court at the request of the defendant upon a showing that grounds may exist for a motion to dismiss the indictment because of matters occurring before the grand jury. * * * ”
The court of appeals decided that the records in question were exempt as other “matters occurring before the grand jury.”
In part, R.C. 149.43(A)(1) defines a “public record” as any record kept by a public office, except certain specifically defined records and “records the release of which is prohibited by state or federal law.” Appellants argue that Crim.R. 6(E) cannot be a “state law” for these purposes because, under Section 5(B), Article IV, Ohio Constitution, this court has authority only to “prescribe rules governing practice and procedure in all courts of the state, which rules shall not abridge, enlarge, or modify any substantive right.” Appellants argue that if Crim.R. 6(E) is construed to be a state law restricting access to public records, a procedural rule will abridge their substantive right to inspect and copy public records under R.C. 149.43(B). This argument derives from State ex rel. Clark v. Toledo (1990), 54 Ohio St.3d 55, 56-57, 560 N.E.2d 1313, 1314, in which we stated:
[323] “R.C. 149.43(B) states that ‘[a]ll public records shall be * * * made available for inspection to any person * * *.’ As recognized in State ex rel. Natl. Broadcasting Co. v. Cleveland, supra [(1988), 38 Ohio St.3d 79, 526 N.E.2d 786], R.C. 149.43 ‘substantially broadened the common-law approach’ to ‘citizen access to governmental information.’ Id. at 81, 526 N.E.2d at 788. As such, the right to access conferred by R.C. 149.43(B) is a substantive right. See Krause v. State (1972), 31 Ohio St.2d 132, 144-145, 60 O.O.2d 100, 106-107, 285 N.E.2d 736, 744. Because the right to access is substantive, it cannot be abridged by Crim.R. 16. Section 5(B), Article IV of the Ohio Constitution; Krause v. State, supra, at paragraph five of the syllabus.”
In Clark, the respondents attempted to use Crim.R. 16(B)(2) as a Public Records Act exception outside the criminal process, and in fact after the criminal process had been concluded. This argument should have been rejected on grounds that Crim.R. 16(B)(2) is essentially a discovery rule and has no application after the criminal process has concluded. Crim.R. 6, however, creates the basic procedure for the grand jury, and its provisions are not dependent on the passage of time or changes of status of the parties.
Therefore, we hold that the statement in Clark that seemed to preclude court rules from ever contradicting substantive statutes was overbroad. The R.C. 149.43(A)(1) exception for other “state law” may include procedural court rules, and does include Crim.R. 6(E).
Providing the limits of grand jury secrecy is an element of “practice and procedure,” under Section 5(B), Article IV, Ohio Constitution, and properly addressed by court rule. Although we have not previously construed Crim.R. 6(E) in this context, we have construed Crim.R. 6(A), which provides that the grand jury shall consist of nine members. In State v. Brown (1988), 38 Ohio St.3d 305, 528 N.E.2d 523, we held that the number of grand jurors is a procedural matter and thus suitable to be addressed by rule, citing Wells v. Maxwell (1963), 174 Ohio St. 198, 200, 22 O.O.2d 147, 148, 188 N.E.2d 160, 161, which held:
“The manner by which an accused is charged with a crime, whether by indictment * * * or by information * * *, is strictly a matter of procedure % * * »
While we have not defined practice and procedure under Section 5(B), Article IV, in Krause v. State (1972), 31 Ohio St.2d 132, 145, 60 O.O.2d 100, 107, 285 N.E.2d 736, 744, we defined “substantive” as used in that section as “that body of law which creates, defines and regulates the rights of the parties.” Given this definition, we find that grand jury secrecy is a procedural matter rather than a substantive matter and, as such, properly a subject for court rule. Providing the degree of openness to be observed in grand jury matters is inherently procedural, [324] and not a matter of creating, defining, or regulating rights. No one has a right to any particular degree of openness or secrecy, except as provided by law.
Crim.R. 6(E) is thus seen as a lawful procedural rule adopted pursuant to constitutional authority. As such, it is analogous to an administrative rule lawfully adopted. “Administrative rules enacted pursuant to a specific grant of legislative authority are to be given force and effect of law.” Doyle v. Ohio Bur. of Motor Vehicles (1990), 51 Ohio St.3d 46, 554 N.E.2d 97, paragraph one of the syllabus. Properly adopted judicial rules have the same force and effect. Section 5(B), Article IV emphasizes this fact by stating:
“All laws in conflict with such rules shall be of no further force or effect after such rules have taken effect.”
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Per Curiam.
Appellants appeal only that part of the decision concerning the grand jury subpoenas and the Grand Jury Witness Record Book. The parties argue three issues concerning the subpoenas and the witness book: (1) whether the documents are protected by grand jury secrecy under Crim.R. 6(E); (2) whether the documents are “confidential law enforcement investigatory records,” as defined in R.C. 149.43(A)(2), and thus not “public records,” as defined in R.C. 149.43(A)(1); and (3) whether the records are protected by the local court order of the appellee judges, as a manifestation of the inherent authority of a common pleas court to supervise the activities of the grand jury in a county. The court of appeals decided only the first of the three issues, holding that Crim.R. 6(E) provided an exception to disclosure under the Public Records Act. We affirm that judgment.
I. Crim.R. 6(E)
Crim.R. 6(E) states in part:
“Secrecy of proceedings and disclosure. Deliberations of the grand jury and the vote of any grand juror shall not be disclosed. Disclosure of other matters occurring before the grand jury may be made to the prosecuting attorney for use in the performance of his duties. A grand juror, prosecuting attorney, interpretor, stenographer, operator of a recording device, or typist who transcribes recorded testimony, may disclose matters occurring before the grand jury, other than the deliberations of a grand jury or the vote of a grand juror, but may disclose such matters only when so directed by the court preliminary to or in connection with a judicial proceeding, or when permitted by the court at the request of the defendant upon a showing that grounds may exist for a motion to dismiss the indictment because of matters occurring before the grand jury. * * * ”
The court of appeals decided that the records in question were exempt as other “matters occurring before the grand jury.”
In part, R.C. 149.43(A)(1) defines a “public record” as any record kept by a public office, except certain specifically defined records and “records the release of which is prohibited by state or federal law.” Appellants argue that Crim.R. 6(E) cannot be a “state law” for these purposes because, under Section 5(B), Article IV, Ohio Constitution, this court has authority only to “prescribe rules governing practice and procedure in all courts of the state, which rules shall not abridge, enlarge, or modify any substantive right.” Appellants argue that if Crim.R. 6(E) is construed to be a state law restricting access to public records, a procedural rule will abridge their substantive right to inspect and copy public records under R.C. 149.43(B). This argument derives from State ex rel. Clark v. Toledo (1990), 54 Ohio St.3d 55, 56-57, 560 N.E.2d 1313, 1314, in which we stated:
[323] “R.C. 149.43(B) states that ‘[a]ll public records shall be * * * made available for inspection to any person * * *.’ As recognized in State ex rel. Natl. Broadcasting Co. v. Cleveland, supra [(1988), 38 Ohio St.3d 79, 526 N.E.2d 786], R.C. 149.43 ‘substantially broadened the common-law approach’ to ‘citizen access to governmental information.’ Id. at 81, 526 N.E.2d at 788. As such, the right to access conferred by R.C. 149.43(B) is a substantive right. See Krause v. State (1972), 31 Ohio St.2d 132, 144-145, 60 O.O.2d 100, 106-107, 285 N.E.2d 736, 744. Because the right to access is substantive, it cannot be abridged by Crim.R. 16. Section 5(B), Article IV of the Ohio Constitution; Krause v. State, supra, at paragraph five of the syllabus.”
In Clark, the respondents attempted to use Crim.R. 16(B)(2) as a Public Records Act exception outside the criminal process, and in fact after the criminal process had been concluded. This argument should have been rejected on grounds that Crim.R. 16(B)(2) is essentially a discovery rule and has no application after the criminal process has concluded. Crim.R. 6, however, creates the basic procedure for the grand jury, and its provisions are not dependent on the passage of time or changes of status of the parties.
Therefore, we hold that the statement in Clark that seemed to preclude court rules from ever contradicting substantive statutes was overbroad. The R.C. 149.43(A)(1) exception for other “state law” may include procedural court rules, and does include Crim.R. 6(E).
Providing the limits of grand jury secrecy is an element of “practice and procedure,” under Section 5(B), Article IV, Ohio Constitution, and properly addressed by court rule. Although we have not previously construed Crim.R. 6(E) in this context, we have construed Crim.R. 6(A), which provides that the grand jury shall consist of nine members. In State v. Brown (1988), 38 Ohio St.3d 305, 528 N.E.2d 523, we held that the number of grand jurors is a procedural matter and thus suitable to be addressed by rule, citing Wells v. Maxwell (1963), 174 Ohio St. 198, 200, 22 O.O.2d 147, 148, 188 N.E.2d 160, 161, which held:
“The manner by which an accused is charged with a crime, whether by indictment * * * or by information * * *, is strictly a matter of procedure % * * »
While we have not defined practice and procedure under Section 5(B), Article IV, in Krause v. State (1972), 31 Ohio St.2d 132, 145, 60 O.O.2d 100, 107, 285 N.E.2d 736, 744, we defined “substantive” as used in that section as “that body of law which creates, defines and regulates the rights of the parties.” Given this definition, we find that grand jury secrecy is a procedural matter rather than a substantive matter and, as such, properly a subject for court rule. Providing the degree of openness to be observed in grand jury matters is inherently procedural, [324] and not a matter of creating, defining, or regulating rights. No one has a right to any particular degree of openness or secrecy, except as provided by law.
Crim.R. 6(E) is thus seen as a lawful procedural rule adopted pursuant to constitutional authority. As such, it is analogous to an administrative rule lawfully adopted. “Administrative rules enacted pursuant to a specific grant of legislative authority are to be given force and effect of law.” Doyle v. Ohio Bur. of Motor Vehicles (1990), 51 Ohio St.3d 46, 554 N.E.2d 97, paragraph one of the syllabus. Properly adopted judicial rules have the same force and effect. Section 5(B), Article IV emphasizes this fact by stating:
“All laws in conflict with such rules shall be of no further force or effect after such rules have taken effect.”
Thus, even if R.C. 149.43(A)(1) did not contain an exception to the broad disclosure rights of R.C. 149.43(B) for disclosures prohibited by other state law, Section 5(B), Article IV provides the exception. As Crim.R. 6(E) is a lawful procedural rule, the conflicting R.C. 149.43(B) would be of no further force and effect. See Clark, supra, Holmes, J., dissenting. However, since R.C. 149.-43(A)(1) explicitly provides for an exception for other state law, we read the statute and constitutional provision harmoniously rather than as conflicting. Accordingly, R.C. 149.43(B) grants appellants a substantive right to inspect and copy public records. However, it grants no right to records that are otherwise exempt by law from release as public records. R.C. 149.43(A)(1) excepts records whose disclosure is prohibited by state law from release as public records. Section 5(B), Article IV, Ohio Constitution and Crim.R. 6(E), adopted thereunder, are state laws for this purpose. Together they create a valid exception to disclosure under R.C. 149.43.
Having held that Crim.R. 6(E) may be the basis for a public records exception, we must now decide whether it does provide such an exception. Appellants argue that the rule does not expressly provide for secrecy regarding subpoenas and the witness book, but the court of appeals held that the subpoenas and witness book are “matters occurring before the grand jury” under the rule, and thus are subject to disclosure only as provided by the rule. The court of appeals relied on 1984 Ohio Atty.Gen.Ops. No. 84-79 and cases from other jurisdictions, particularly federal cases, construing former Fed.R.Crim.P. 6(e). (Current Fed.R. of Crim.P. 6[e] expressly subjects subpoenas and other records to secrecy requirements.) The most directly applicable federal cases are United States v. White Ready-Mix Concrete Co. (N.D.Ohio 1981), 509 F.Supp. 747; and Application of State of California to Inspect Grand Jury Subpoenas (E.D.Pa.1961), 195 F.Supp. 37. Both cases held that subpoenas and witness identity were “matters occurring before the grand jury” under the former federal rule and thus subject to disclosure only as provided in the rule.
[325] In Petition for Disclosure of Evidence (1980), 63 Ohio St.2d 212, 17 O.O.3d 131, 407 N.E.2d 513, we held that the court that supervises a grand jury may disclose evidence where justice requires and prescribed a petition to that court as the proper means of obtaining release of materials (paragraphs one and two of the syllabus). We also stated the test for disclosing “other matters”:
“Such disclosure can be ordered only after the court carefully weighs the need to maintain the secrecy of the grand jury proceedings against petitioner’s need for the information and determines that justice can only be done if disclosure is made.” Id. at 218, 17 O.O.3d at 135, 407 N.E.2d at 518.
In State v. Greer (1981), 66 Ohio St.2d 139, 20 O.O.3d 157, 420 N.E.2d 982, we held that disclosure is controlled by Crim.R. 6(E) (paragraph one of the syllabus) and that an accused wrongdoer could not inspect grand jury transcripts “unless the ends of justice require it and there is a showing by the defense that a particularized need for disclosure exists which outweighs the need for secrecy.” Paragraph two of the syllabus. Greer also suggests that the test announced in Petition for Disclosure of Evidence is the same “particularized need” test. 66 Ohio St.2d at 148, 20 O.O.3d at 163, 420 N.E.2d at 988.
Appellants argue that the court should not follow the precedent of the federal cases construing the former federal rule. However, the former federal rule was similar in content and structure to the current Ohio rule, and we have looked to federal decisions for guidance in this area:
“As a consequence we look to the United States Supreme Court’s decisions regarding Fed.R.Crim.P. 6(e) for guidance in the case at bar.” Petition for Disclosure of Evidence, supra, 63 Ohio St.2d at 216, 17 O.O.3d at 134, 407 N.E.2d at 517.
Accordingly, we find the federal cases construing the former federal rule to be persuasive authority. An Indiana court of appeals has reached the same conclusion in a case involving Indiana’s Public Records Act. See Pigman v. Evansville Press (Ind.App.1989), 537 N.E.2d 547.
II. Confidential Law Enforcement Investigatory Records
The parties argued below — and renew their arguments on appeal — whether the witness documents are “confidential law enforcement investigatory records,” excepted from being public records under R.C. 149.43(A)(1) and (2). The court of appeals did not address this issue because it decided that Crim.R. 6(E) directly provides a broader exception. Since we concur in that judgment, we too treat this issue as moot.
[326] III. The Medina County Court’s Order
Notwithstanding the previously discussed bases for protecting the records in ■question, which came out in the litigation, the original basis for refusing to disclose the records was in fact the appellee judges’ local order, which stated:
“IN RE: GRAND JURY PROCEEDING.
“WHEREAS, it has come to the attention of the Court that the Grand Jury Witnesses’ Book Record is being used to circumvent the time honored secret nature of Grand Jury proceedings, and
“WHEREAS, the law requires that proceedings of the Grand Jury be forever kept secret and that Grand Jurors by law are required to take such an oath for the two-fold purpose
“(1) to protect the good name and reputation of those persons against whom unfounded accusations are made, and
“(2) so that those who are properly indicted do not have an opportunity to escape upon learning of the Grand Jury investigation
“and further, for the reason that witnesses appearing before the Grand Jury should have their identity protected so that they are not harmed or intimidated prior to giving their testimony.
“IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED, ADJUDGED AND DECREED, that the Clerk of this Court shall henceforth seal and keep secret Grand Jury Witnesses’ Book Record together with all Grand Jury Subpoenas which are issued by said Clerk.
“IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the Sheriff of Medina County, Ohio and all his deputies, clerks and other personnel who might have contact and knowledge of such subpoenas are also ordered to keep them secret as set forth above.”
Appellees argue that the appellee judges, who constitute the trial court with authority to supervise the grand jury in question, had inherent authority to declare the records confidential. They cite State ex rel. Shoop v. Mitrovich (1983), 4 Ohio St.3d 220, 4 OBR 575, 448 N.E.2d 800; State ex rel. Collins v. O’Farrell (1991), 61 Ohio St.3d 142, 573 N.E.2d 113; and Petition for Disclosure of Evidence, supra. None of these cases stands for the principle of inherent authority. Shoop, for example, plainly states in its syllabus:
“The court of common pleas has jurisdiction to supervise aspects of the grand jury as enumerated in R.C. 2939.01 et seq. and Crim.R. 6 * * (Emphasis added.)
Collins discusses the common pleas court’s authority as stemming from Crim.R. 6, and Petition for Disclosure of Evidence discusses it as an aspect of [327] R.C. 2939.11. Thus, far from establishing inherent authority of the court of common pleas, these cases emphasize the derivative nature of that authority.
Therefore, we hold that the appellee judges’ authority to adopt the order in question is subject to Crim.R. 6(E), and the order’s blanket prohibition against disclosure of witnesses’ identity through subpoenas and the Grand Jury Witness Record Book, while not error as applied to the facts in this case or for routine administrative purposes, is, nevertheless, subject to the disclosure provisions of Crim.R. 6(E), as construed by Petition for Disclosure of Evidence and Greer, supra.
Judgment affirmed.
Moyer, C.J., A.W. Sweeney and F.E. Sweeney, JJ., concur.
Resnick, J., concurs in judgment only.
Douglas, J., dissents with opinion.
Pfeifer, J., dissents.
Wright, J., not participating.