Say it Visually, Inc v. Real Estate Education Company, Inc.

CourtDistrict Court, N.D. Illinois
DecidedMarch 27, 2025
Docket1:23-cv-03424
StatusUnknown

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Opinion

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF ILLINOIS EASTERN DIVISION

SAY IT VISUALLY, INC. D/B/A FAST FORWARD STORIES.,

Plaintiff, No. 23 CV 3424

v. Judge Georgia N. Alexakis

REAL ESTATE EDUCATION COMPANY, INC., D/B/A REAL ESTATE ACADEMY, MIGDAL LAW, P.C., AND ALLAN T. MIDGAL,

Defendants.

MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER

Plaintiff Say It Visually, Inc., alleges that defendants, Real Estate Education Company, Inc., Midgal Law, P.C., and Allan T. Midgal, infringed its copyrights and violated the Digital Millenium Copyright Act, 17 U.S.C. §§ 1201(a), 1202(b), by using its real-estate explainer videos without authorization. Before the Court addresses any alleged infringement, though, it must address defendants’ motion for sanctions. Defendants allege that Matthew Dunn, plaintiff’s sole owner, repeatedly perjured himself when he claimed that he singlehandedly authored the scripts of all 100 works at issue in this litigation. According to defendants, the scripts for many of these works were copied, either word-for-word or with exceedingly minor differences, from other online sources, and Dunn admitted as much only after he swore otherwise in written interrogatory responses and only after extensive questioning in a deposition. Because of the persistent nature of Dunn’s lies and because they bore on a key issue in this case—the validity of the asserted copyrights—defendants seek dismissal of this lawsuit with prejudice as a sanction. For the reasons that follow, the Court finds that Dunn committed perjury and

concludes that dismissal of this matter with prejudice is the only appropriate and effective sanction. Defendants’ motion for sanctions is therefore granted. [83]. The remaining pending motions—plaintiff’s motions for partial summary judgment and Rule 37(e) sanctions and defendants’ motions for summary judgment and to withdraw an admission [86]—are denied as moot. [73], [76], [78], [86]. I. Factual Background A. The Complaint

Plaintiff Say It Visually, Inc., which does business as Fast Forward Stories (“FFS”), creates and licenses “explainer” videos—short, one-to-two-minute animated and narrated videos explaining various industries’ terms or practices. [1] ¶ 8. The 100 videos (or “works in suit”) at issue all relate to real estate, covering concepts from adjustable-rate mortgages to interest locks to real estate closings. Id. In its complaint, plaintiff claims that it is the “author” of each work in suit and

the “sole owner” of the corresponding copyrights, and that each work in suit is an “original creation,” “not copied from the works of others,” and a “wholly original expression[].” Id. ¶¶ 11–13. Plaintiff registered copyrights in each work in suit with the United States Copyright Office. Id. ¶ 14. Plaintiff alleges that defendants distributed the works in suit and removed its copyright management information from each one without permission. Id. ¶¶ 28–44. B. Plaintiff’s Sworn Responses to Interrogatories Plaintiff’s sole owner is Matthew Dunn. [85-1] at 7.1 In September 2023, Dunn answered 30 interrogatories on plaintiff’s behalf under penalty of perjury. Id. Dunn’s

responses to two interrogatories are relevant to this motion. In Interrogatory No. 15, defendants asked plaintiff to “[d]escribe the process of creating the Work in Suit.” Id. at 4. Dunn answered, in relevant part: The process of creating the works in suit was typically started by researching the list of frequently asked questions – ‘FAQs’ — across business and government websites in the subject areas. Where answered, FAQs were read. Otherwise, additional research for substantive, authoritative answers on the topic were pursued through online resources. Typically the screenwriter (Dr. Dunn) would read numerous articles on a topic to understand the key concepts and relationships involved.

With research in hand, a screenplay was developed, drawing on experience creating ‘explainer’ videos for hire. The expertise in screen writing, narrative and visual design was drawn in part from the screenwriter’s Master of Fine Arts in Directing (The University of Texas at Austin, 1987), and from dozens of Say It Visually custom explainer- video projects for Fortune 100 and other companies from 2009 - 2013.

Explainer video scripts require strict attention to time and tempo to accommodate attention spans; conscious decisions about what should be said and what should be shown, and the time required for each, are integral to design. Likewise, while the topics of these videos are relatively dry and abstract, a narrative arc with people involved in the topic is part of the design.

Id. at 4–5 (emphases in original). In other words, Dunn emphasized the originality of his scripts. Dunn’s response continued: Animation and artwork were designed to clarify the subject of each

1 The page numbers noted in [85-1] correspond to those in the heading of each page. video, and to accompany the voiceover. Hundreds to thousands of individual graphics were incorporated, some from licensed “clip art” collections, and many custom-designed to illustrate key concepts. For example, the visual representing principal and interest payments with a dump track in #072 depicts the principle-to-interest ratio with an accurate curve. Nearly every scene involves human characters reacting to the sequence of events to enhance psychological engagement with relatively dry and detailed terminology.

Id. at 5. In Interrogatory No. 16, defendants asked plaintiff to “[l]ist all the people or companies that helped or assisted [it] in any way in the creation and distribution of the Work in Suit.” Id. at 6. In response, Dunn identified only the following individuals: himself; two of plaintiff’s former employees, who performed artwork, design, and animation, and occasionally assisted with order fulfillment; a video- hosting service; and two licensed partners that assisted in distribution. Id. C. Plaintiff’s Document Production Following plaintiff’s initial document production, defendants independently discovered that the works in suit used off-the-shelf character animation provided by a company called Powtoon. [84] at 4. Defendants included this material in their second set of requests for admission, and in response, plaintiff admitted that the characters were not its original artwork. See [85-1] at 14–44. Around the same time, plaintiff produced scripts for 91 of the works in suit. Id. at 56–85. In the header of each page, plaintiff wrote: “sayitvisually.com,” and in the footer: “© 2013 Say It Visually, Inc. All Rights Reserved.” In other words, although plaintiff now admitted that the artwork in the works in suit was not wholly original— contrary to Dunn’s earlier sworn interrogatory response—plaintiff still claimed that its scripts were original creations. D. Dunn’s Deposition Testimony Dunn was deposed twice in this ligation. In his first deposition, Dunn testified

both in his individual capacity and as plaintiff’s designated representative under Rule 30(b)(6). [85-1] at 91. In his second deposition, Dunn testified as an expert. Id. at 150– 51. Both times, of course, Dunn testified under oath. Id. at 91, 150. The night before Dunn’s first deposition, defendants’ counsel discovered websites—published before plaintiff’s videos—with language that mirrored, in many cases word-for-word, several of the scripts of the works in suit. [81] ¶ 10; [118] at 8 n.1; see also [84-1] and [84-2] (charts prepared by defendants comparing the scripts

of plaintiff’s videos to internet materials predating those scripts). During Dunn’s first deposition, defendants’ counsel asked Dunn to generally describe the process of creating the works in suit. [85-1] at 92.

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