People v. Thrall

2025 IL App (2d) 240433-U

• Court: Appellate Court of Illinois
• Decided: July 10, 2025
• Docket: 2-24-0433
• Status: Unpublished

Opinion

2025 IL App (2d) 240433-U No. 2-24-0433 Order filed July 10, 2025

NOTICE: This order was filed under Supreme Court Rule 23(b) and is not precedent except in the limited circumstances allowed under Rule 23(e)(l). ______________________________________________________________________________

IN THE

APPELLATE COURT OF ILLINOIS

SECOND DISTRICT ______________________________________________________________________________

THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE ) Appeal from the Circuit Court OF ILLINOIS, ) of Lake County. ) Plaintiff-Appellant, ) ) v. ) No. 19-CF-2698 ) JEFFERY M. THRALL, ) Honorable ) Patricia S. Fix, Defendant-Appellee. ) Judge, Presiding. ______________________________________________________________________________

JUSTICE BIRKETT delivered the judgment of the court. Justices Jorgensen and Schostok concurred in the judgment.

ORDER

¶1 Held: The trial court properly suppressed defendant’s statements where the police failed to scrupulously honor his clear and unambiguous invocation of his right to remain silent.

¶2 The State appeals, pursuant to Illinois Supreme Court Rule 604(a)(1) (eff. Apr. 15, 2024),

from an order of the circuit court of Lake County granting defendant Jeffery M. Thrall’s motion

to suppress inculpatory statements, including his admission that he stabbed his aunt, Nancy

Wilcox, to death. We affirm the trial court’s grant of defendant’s motion to suppress statements 2025 IL App (2d) 240433-U

because, during his custodial interrogation, defendant clearly and unambiguously invoked his right

to remain silent, but the investigators failed to scrupulously honor that right.

¶3 I. BACKGROUND

¶4 On December 3, 2019, defendant was interrogated by investigators from the Lake County

Major Crime Task Force in connection with Wilcox’s murder, which occurred the prior day,

December 2, 2019. During the interrogation, which was audio and video recorded, defendant made

several inculpatory statements, including that he “beat the fuck” out of Wilcox and stabbed her

“four or five” times with a large kitchen knife, causing her death. Defendant was subsequently

charged by a grand jury with three counts of first-degree murder.

¶5 In September 2022, defendant’s appointed counsel sought a fitness evaluation, which the

trial court granted. The following month, the court found defendant unfit for trial and placed him

in the custody of the Illinois Department of Human Services for treatment. Defendant received

treatment and was eventually restored to fitness. On April 25, 2023, the court entered an order

finding defendant fit to stand trial.

¶6 A. Defendant’s Motion to Suppress

¶7 On May 17, 2024, defendant filed a motion to suppress, arguing that he invoked his right

to remain silent during his interrogation where, immediately “[a]fter Miranda rights were read to

Defendant, he stated ‘I really don’t have nothing to say’ ” and shook “his head from side to side

indicating he did not wish to speak to the investigators.” He also pointed to three statements in

which he said, “I really don’t want to talk about it,” or a slight variation of that phrase, when

investigators asked him what happened when he arrived at Wilcox’s home the night of the murder.

Defendant contended that these statements and accompanying nonverbal conduct were clear and

unequivocal assertions of his right to remain silent, which the investigators failed to honor.

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¶8 B. Suppression Hearing and Video Evidence

¶9 On June 27, 2024, the trial court held a hearing on defendant’s motion. Investigator Jacob

Vekemans testified that on December 3, 2019, officers of the Park City police department were

dispatched to Wilcox’s residence in connection with her murder. They discovered that Wilcox’s

vehicle was missing and suspected that it was being driven by her killer. The next morning, at

approximately 6:00 a.m., police located the vehicle and conducted a traffic stop. Defendant, the

vehicle’s sole occupant, was taken into custody, and a knife was found under the seat.

¶ 10 At approximately 6:45 a.m., defendant was placed in an interview room at the Lake County

Sheriff’s Office. The room was equipped with audio and video recording capabilities, allowing

investigators to monitor the room in real time via a closed-circuit television system. At

approximately 7:30 a.m., Vekemans remotely observed an evidence technician enter the room and

collect defendant’s clothing, which “had a dark substance spattered about *** that was indicative

with blood splatter.” Defendant was provided with a change of clothes. A second evidence

technician later entered the room and, with defendant’s consent, collected biological evidence from

his hand and the inside of his cheek.

¶ 11 Vekemans testified that he and Deputy Lana LeMons, his partner for this investigation,

entered the interview room at 8:03 a.m. Vekemans testified that he began the interview by

introducing himself to defendant, telling him that “we’re going to be here for a little while,” and

stating that he would like to ask defendant a couple questions. Vekemans testified that he read

defendant his Miranda rights from a preprinted form, which was entered into evidence as People’s

Exhibit No. 1. Vekemans identified both his own signature and defendant’s signature on the form,

noting that defendant signed it “immediately” after it was read to him.

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¶ 12 Vekemans testified that all his interactions with defendant were recorded, and he identified

People’s Exhibit No. 2 as a true and accurate audio and video recording of the interview. The

video was entered into evidence without objection and played for the court.

¶ 13 The video exhibit, which is imprinted with a time stamp, begins at 8:02:59 a.m. Defendant

is seated in an interview room as Vekemans and LeMons enter. The investigators are dressed in

plain clothes. Vekemans is carrying a cup of coffee and a breakfast sandwich, which he hands to

defendant. Defendant takes a sip of coffee, unwraps the sandwich, and begins eating. Vekemans

informs defendant that “since you’re at a police department, I have to read you your rights, okay?”

Beginning at 8:03:50, Vekemans reads Miranda warnings from a preprinted form and asks whether

defendant has “any questions about that?” Defendant shakes his head from side to side and takes

another sip of coffee. Vekemans states, “Okay,” and presents the form to defendant, stating:

“Would you mind just signing here saying that I just read this to you?” Defendant responds, “mm-

hmm,” places his coffee and sandwich on the table, and accepts a pen from Vekemans. Vekemans

states, “I appreciate it.” As defendant signs his name, Vekemans says, “I really appreciate you

being cooperative with us, you know, I know that…” At 8:04:12, defendant, while still signing

his name on the Miranda form, interrupts— “Not really. I don’t have nothing to say,” 1 while

1 We take this opportunity to note that the poor audio quality of the State’s exhibit caused an

unfortunate discrepancy in the record. Defendant alleged in his motion to suppress that, “[a]fter Miranda

rights were read to Defendant, he stated ‘I really don’t have nothing to say.’ ” The report of proceedings

demonstrates that both the State and defendant proceeded through the hearing under the erroneous belief

that this was defendant’s exact statement. However, upon careful review of the exhibit, we agree with the

trial court that defendant’s actual statement after Vekemans thanked him for “being cooperative” was: “Not

really. I don’t have nothing to say.” The State conceded this point in its motion to reconsider, stating that

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shaking his head from side to side. Vekemans responds, “Well, let’s start with your name. Can

we go with that?” Without answering, defendant finishes signing his name and hands the pen back

to Vekemans. Vekemans then gestures toward the sandwich and tells defendant that he may

continue eating. Defendant picks up the sandwich and resumes eating as Vekemans states that he

would “ask [defendant] a couple questions as we go, if you don’t mind.”

¶ 14 Vekemans immediately begins to question defendant. He first asks him to spell his name

and, while chewing, defendant provides the spelling. Upon additional questioning, defendant

provides other identifying information, including his birth date and an address in North Chicago

where he had once lived with his sister, Diana, and her daughter, Brittany.

¶ 15 In response to Vekemans’ question regarding where he resided, defendant states that he

was incarcerated for the past year and “just got out yesterday.” Upon more questioning, defendant

explains the events that led to his incarceration. He states that, after his mother passed away,

defendant and his sister began fighting over a trust fund and their childhood home that their mother

left to them. Wilcox, the victim in this case, controlled the trust. Defendant asserts that his sister

it had conducted “[a]n attentive viewing and listening of the interview in ideal conditions,” including with

the use of headphones. Additionally, we note that the video and audio appear slightly out of sync, with a

delay of one to two seconds between the audio and video tracks. We urge law enforcement agencies and

the State to take all reasonable measures to ensure that the quality of recorded interviews is sufficiently

clear and intelligible. Given the sophistication and accessibility of modern technology, producing clear and

reliable interview recordings should be a routine and achievable standard for all law enforcement agencies.

Such recordings are necessary for courts and counsel to fully understand the circumstances and content of

custodial interrogations, safeguard constitutional rights, and promote transparency in the administration of

justice.

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squandered all her money and asked him for money, which he refused, and that his niece stole

money from him. An argument ensued, police were called, and defendant’s sister falsely accused

him of beating her. Wilcox sided with defendant’s sister and “backstabbed” him. Defendant was

arrested, and his attorney “tricked” him into pleading guilty by telling him that he would be

permitted to return to the home upon release. However, the judge “kicked [him] out of [his] house”

and entered an order of protection. Defendant further explains that his Aunt Maxine passed away

while he was incarcerated and left him $150,000, but Wilcox gave the money to defendant’s

attorney. Defendant also claims he was “tortured mentally” while he was incarcerated and that he

“just snapped” because he was in jail “for no reason.” He “prayed to God every day that [he]

would die in [his] sleep.”

¶ 16 Upon further questioning, defendant details his movements after he was released from

prison the previous day. He first walked to the home of someone he had met in prison who had

also recently been released and had offered to house him, but that person was not home. Defendant

then walked to his North Chicago address, arriving at about 1:30 p.m., and “was scoping that out.”

He also purchased a six-pack of beer and sat by a bicycle path, drinking and gathering his thoughts.

He explains that he “was freezing to death.” After finishing the beer, he returned to his North

Chicago house hoping to “sneak in” when his niece returned with her daughter from school.

However, that plan failed because, according to defendant, there was a “big old black dude staying

in there,” and defendant “didn’t want to hassle with him.”

¶ 17 Afterward, defendant walked to a bar on Eleventh Street owned by a guy he knew, hoping

the individual might “have some ideas” for him “because nothing was working out and [he]

couldn’t sleep outside.” The individual told defendant that he could not give him any money,

which offended defendant. Defendant explains to the investigators that he was not looking for a

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handout, that he had a trust fund, and that he would not typically ask for help. Defendant stated

he was “sorry [he] bothered” asking the individual for help. He then states that he “walked all the

way to Park City.”

¶ 18 Vekemans asks defendant if, at that point, he went to Wilcox’s house. Defendant replies,

“Yeah, but she wouldn’t answer the door, and I just snapped.” Vekemans asks, “And then what

happened after that?” Defendant repeats, “I just snapped,” and, at 8:20:33, states “I really don’t

want to talk about it,” while shaking his head from side to side. Vekemans responds, “No, I

understand. But what made you snap?” LeMons states: “We don’t blame you.” Defendant

reiterates that he “just snapped” and states that his “brain was frozen” and he did not “remember a

whole lot.” He states that he “really wanted Brittany’s ass” and that if he had “snapped” at his

house he would have gone “right through that window.” Defendant then states, three times in

rapid succession, “I just snapped,” then adds, “Everything that they did to me just came down on

me and I was freezing, and I thought I was going to die.” Defendant also states that he had nowhere

to go, did not know where he would sleep, and he could not walk anymore because his feet were

numb. Defendant again repeats, “I just snapped.” Vekemans states that he could tell defendant

was a “proud man” who would not ordinarily ask for help, and he sympathized with defendant

because everyone defendant asked for help turned him down, stating, “a man can only take so

much.” Defendant then states that it would “be fine” if he is given the death penalty.

¶ 19 LeMons steers the conversation back to the homicide and asks defendant what happened

when he arrived at Wilcox’s home. At that point, defendant states that he “pounded on the door

and they acted like they didn’t hear me.” Defendant surmises that his sister warned Wilcox that

he would try to go to her house, and states “they conspired against me.” LeMons asks defendant

how he got inside Wilcox’s house, and defendant answers that he broke a window. Vekemans

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asks defendant what happened when he entered the home and, at 8:22:20 on the video, defendant

again shakes his head from side to side and states, “I really don’t want to talk about it.” Vekemans

responds: “No, no, I understand, but, you know, it helps us understand,” and LeMons states, “We

get it. We get why you did it.” Defendant again shakes his head from side to side and states that

he is “going to get the death penalty anyway,” and LeMons points out that there is no death penalty

in Illinois and states that defendant “got fucked by everybody.” At 8:22:37, defendant again states,

“I really don’t want to talk about it.” Vekemans responds: “No, no, it’s okay. I understand.”

¶ 20 Defendant states that he “fucked up,” and he “prayed to God every day not to let this

happen.” Vekemans responds, “Well, I understand, Jeff, that you don’t want to talk about it

specifically, and I get that, but can you just…” Defendant laments that he could not “get the Lord

to listen,” and Vekemans reassured him that it sometimes “takes [God] a little while to get his shit

together.” Defendant replies that it would be a “little late now.” Vekemans replied “I know you

don’t want to talk specifically about what happened, but uh…” Defendant, at that point, interrupts

Vekemans and states that he “beat the fuck out of her.” Defendant states that he accused Wilcox

of “fucking [his] life up with Diana,” and that Wilcox “got violent.” Defendant proceeds to

describe a physical fight with Wilcox that “just got out of control.” Vekemans asks defendant how

the fight ended, and defendant does not immediately answer. Vekemans shrugs his shoulders and

states, “Jeff, I know we’re not beating around the bush here. I mean, we all know what we’re

talking about.” Defendant then looks up at Vekemans and states, “I stabbed her.” Upon further

questioning, defendant confesses that he stabbed Wilcox four or five times before fleeing the scene

in her vehicle.

¶ 21 After the video was played for the court, Vekemans resumed his testimony and offered his

interpretation of several statements defendant made during the interview. The State first directed

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him to the beginning of the recording and replayed it from 8:03:56 to 8:04:16. Vekemans

acknowledged that, immediately after reading defendant his Miranda rights and thanking him for

cooperating, defendant stated, “I really don’t have nothing to say.” However, Vekemans testified

that he did not believe the statement constituted an invocation of the right to remain silent, but

rather, he interpreted it to mean that defendant “was not emotionally prepared to talk about the

egregiousness of the incident.” He also acknowledged that defendant shook his head when he

made that statement, but Vekemans believed it “was part of [defendant’s] mannerisms—to shake

his head in various directions.”

¶ 22 The State then directed Vekemans to a second portion of the interview and replayed the

video from 8:20:18 to 8:22:51, beginning with Vekemans asking defendant what happened when

he arrived at Wilcox’s house. Vekemans acknowledged that, within this video segment, defendant

stated, “I really don’t want to talk about this,” followed twice later by, “I really don’t want to talk

about it.” However, he took these statements to mean that “defendant was still emotionally

processing the incident,” which had occurred only eight hours earlier. He believed defendant was

not yet ready to talk about the murder itself, rather than indicating a desire to end the interview

altogether. Vekemans also agreed that defendant shook his head when he made these statements

but emphasized that he did not view the gesture as a definitive “yes-or-no answer,” noting that

defendant “shook his head throughout the entire conversation in a variety of ways.” He

acknowledged that defendant’s comments reflected reluctance to discuss his entry into the home,

but he emphasized that, despite those comments, defendant continued to participate in the

conversation. According to Vekemans, because defendant kept speaking, he believed defendant

was willing to continue with the interview.

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¶ 23 Vekemans agreed that, around the 8:20:18 mark, after defendant stated he “just snapped”

and did not want to talk about it, Vekemans responded, “No, I understand. But what made you

snap?” He testified that this follow-up question reflected his understanding that defendant did not

want to talk about the act itself, which he acknowledged was understandable. He testified, “I don’t

think anybody would want to talk about it, but he obviously had the ability to.” Vekemans then

explained that, at approximately 8:22:17, when he asked defendant what happened when he

entered Wilcox’s home, defendant stated, “I really don’t want to talk about it” while shaking his

head. Vekemans did not consider that an invocation of the right to remain silent, however—only

that defendant “did not want to talk about what occurred inside the trailer.” Vekemans

acknowledged that he and LeMons began to talk over each other at that point, and about 15 seconds

later, defendant again stated, “I really don’t want to talk about it.” Vekemans recalled responding,

“no, it’s okay, I understand,” as well as saying “I understand, Jeff, that you don’t want to talk about

it specifically, and I get that.” He explained that these statements were meant to convey empathy

and an understanding of why defendant would not want to talk about the specific events that

occurred inside Wilcox’s home. Vekemans further testified that, had defendant stated he wished

to remain silent and not speak with them, he would have immediately terminated the interview.

¶ 24 C. Trial Court’s Ruling Granting Suppression

¶ 25 On July 1, 2024, the trial court granted defendant’s motion to suppress statements. In

announcing its ruling, the court first outlined the background of the investigation. It noted that, on

December 3, 2019, police were dispatched to Wilcox’s home in Park City in response to a

homicide. Defendant was arrested at approximately 6:00 a.m. the next morning while driving

Wilcox’s vehicle, which had a knife under the seat. The court then described the interaction

between the investigators and defendant during his interview at the Lake County Sheriff’s Office.

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After discussing the interview in detail, the court found that defendant unequivocally and

unambiguously invoked his right to remain silent four separate times during the videotaped

interview—once at the outset and three additional times, in quick succession, when he was asked

about what occurred after he arrived at Wilcox’s home.

¶ 26 Specifically, the trial court found that defendant first invoked his right to remain silent

when, in response to Vekemans thanking him for “being cooperative,” defendant interjected, “not

really. I don’t have nothing to say,” while signing the Miranda form. The court observed that a

“question-and-answer colloquy” then followed, beginning when Vekemans asked defendant to

spell his name and provide his date of birth. The court noted that, at that point, “a conversation

begins, not about the first-degree murder offense,” but about defendant’s family history, his

financial difficulties, and his recent incarceration, which he believed was unjust and from which

he had been released just the day before.

¶ 27 The trial court found that defendant invoked his right to remain silent three more times

within a roughly two-minute span beginning at 8:20:33, when Vekemans asked defendant what

happened after he arrived at Wilcox’s home, and she would not answer the door. The court noted

that, in response, defendant stated, “I really don’t want to talk about it,” or a slight variation of that

phrase, at approximately 8:20:33, 8:22:20, and 8:22:37, each time shaking his head. The court

also considered the context in which defendant made these statements and concluded that the

surrounding circumstances did not favor the State. The court observed:

“The defendant was willing to talk about any number of things that did not relate

to the offense for which he was charged. He was willing to talk about his beef with his old

attorney. He was willing to talk about the issues he had with money, who had some of his

money based on his parents passing away; but what he was not willing to talk about, when

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he said ‘I really don’t want to talk about this,’ every time the police officers began and

attempted to initiate a discussion about the first-degree murder, the defendant’s clear,

bright line was, ‘I don’t want to talk about this.’ ”

The trial court observed that each time defendant invoked his right to remain silent, he

simultaneously shook his head. As the investigators continued to question him regarding what

occurred inside Wilcox’s residence, defendant was “shaking his head again more definitively.” In

the court’s view, this nonverbal conduct likewise “clearly indicated a desire to end questioning.”

¶ 28 The trial court also offered its general observations about the interview. It noted that

defendant was not left to sit alone in an empty room for a prolonged period, and that the length of

the interview itself was not unduly burdensome. The court observed that defendant “did not appear

to be exceptionally tired,” and he “appeared to be with it.” It noted that neither the investigators

nor defendant raised their voices during the interrogation. However, the court emphasized that the

relatively brief, non-confrontational nature of the interview did not mean that defendant did not

invoke his right to remain silent. It reiterated that, in four instances, defendant clearly indicated a

desire to end questioning—both verbally and through nonverbal conduct—which the officers

failed to honor.

¶ 29 D. State’s Motion to Reconsider

¶ 30 On July 16, 2024, the State filed a motion to reconsider and reopen proofs, arguing that the

trial court had not considered the entirety of defendant’s initial purported invocation of his right to

remain silent, which occurred immediately after Vekemans provided defendant Miranda warnings.

The State asserted that, following the court’s grant of defendant’s motion to suppress, “the People

relistened to the recording *** and, for the first time, heard what the Court must have heard in the

recording, in that the defendant did in fact say ‘Not really. I don’t have nothing to say.’ ” The

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State continued that, “[a]n attentive viewing and listening of the interview in ideal conditions,

preferably with headphones, the video actually captures the defendant responding *** ‘Not really.

I don’t have nothing to say. I don’t know.’ ” (Emphasis in original.) According to the State, the

court failed to consider defendant’s complete statement, including the phrase “I don’t know,”

which immediately followed what the court had interpreted as an unambiguous invocation of

defendant’s right to remain silent. The State argued that this additional language required the court

to reevaluate defendant’s full statement, which it claimed, “was actually far more ambiguous” than

previously thought, and it prayed that the court reopen the proofs “for the People to highlight this

relevant portion of the recording.”

¶ 31 E. Trial Court’s Denial of Reconsideration

¶ 32 On July 22, 2024, at the hearing on the motion to reconsider and reopen proofs, the State

requested that the court admit People’s Exhibit No. 3, which it asserted was a better-quality

recording of the interview. 2 It explained that the video admitted at the suppression hearing was “a

screen grab” as opposed to the raw, original file, which the State believed “compromised the audio

a little bit.” The State later clarified that it was not seeking to introduce “a new video,” but rather,

a copy of the original video “that doesn’t have any other audio issues.” It opined that, regardless,

the court could re-watch the video that it had already admitted into evidence at the suppression

hearing, and it would hear defendant state, “I don’t know.” In opposition, defendant argued that

re-opening the proofs in cases where the moving party had already received an adverse ruling, and

where the evidence sought to be introduced was available at the original hearing, should be

2 At oral argument, counsel for the State questioned whether “a better quality video” existed and

indicated his understanding that the prosecutor “went back and listened to it with better headphones and

better equipment.”

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permitted only as necessary to protect the integrity of the judicial system. Defendant also disputed

the State’s assertion that the proposed exhibit was of superior quality as compared to the video

already considered by the court at the suppression hearing. Defendant also noted that, at the initial

hearing, Vekemans did not testify that defendant said, “I don’t know,” and defendant asserted that

the State’s arguments contradicted both Vekemans’ testimony and the arguments it made at the

suppression hearing.

¶ 33 The trial court denied the State’s motion to reconsider and reopen the proofs. In explaining

its ruling, the court rhetorically questioned why the State waited so long to determine the exact

words defendant used during his Miranda statement, emphasizing that over four years had passed

between defendant’s interview and the suppression hearing. It noted that the State only discovered

the purported discrepancy after it received an adverse ruling. The court further found that the new

interpretation of defendant’s statement would unfairly surprise defendant, especially considering

that neither the State nor defendant had argued at the suppression hearing that defendant stated, “I

don’t know.” The court also emphasized that Vekemans did not so testify. The court concluded

that the State’s failure to introduce this evidence earlier was not inadvertent and that no reasonable

explanation was offered for the delay. Instead, the State appeared to be advancing a “new

argument” to cure a defect identified by the court in its original ruling, which the court explained

would be improper.

¶ 34 On July 22, 2024, the State filed a certificate of impairment and a timely notice of appeal.

¶ 35 II. ANALYSIS

¶ 36 On appeal, the State contends that the trial court erred by granting defendant’s motion to

suppress his inculpatory statements because defendant did not unequivocally and unambiguously

invoke his right to remain silent during the interrogation. The State asserts that the interview,

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when viewed in context, reflects that defendant was “engaged in an ongoing, free-flowing, and

continuing conversation with the police,” without ever invoking his right to remain silent.

¶ 37 A. Standard of Review

¶ 38 As a threshold matter, we note that the parties appear to dispute the appropriate standard

of review applicable to this appeal. In its opening brief, the State suggests that we should apply

the de novo standard to all the trial court’s rulings, including its factual findings, because the

findings were based primarily on the videotaped interview—evidence that the appellate court is

equally capable of evaluating. See People v. Flores, 2014 IL App (1st) 121786, ¶ 35 (applying

de novo review where the appellate court viewed the same police interrogation video as the trial

court, and no live testimony was presented at the suppression hearing). Defendant, however,

asserts that we should apply a bifurcated standard of review, deferring to the trial court’s factual

findings, because its evaluation of the video was colored by Vekemans’ live testimony at the

¶ 39 We agree with defendant. Although the State correctly observes that a reviewing court

may conduct de novo review of a trial court’s factual findings when those findings are based

entirely on videotaped evidence, that is not the case here. The videotaped interview forms a

significant part of the record in this case, but the State overlooks that the trial court’s ruling was

also shaped by Vekemans’ live testimony at the hearing. When a trial court’s factual

determinations are informed, even in part, by its assessment of witness credibility and demeanor,

deference to those findings is appropriate. See People v. Valle, 405 Ill. App. 3d 46, 58 (2010)

(applying bifurcated standard where “live testimony had a role in resolving a disputed issue of

fact”). Accordingly, we apply the familiar bifurcated standard of review to the court’s ruling on

the motion to suppress. See People v. Tucker, 2022 IL App (1st) 172982, ¶ 36. Under this

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standard, the trial court’s factual findings and credibility determinations are accorded great

deference and will not be disturbed on appeal unless they are against the manifest weight of the

evidence. Id. A finding is against the manifest weight of the evidence only if the finding is

unreasonable, arbitrary, or not based on the evidence, or if the opposite conclusion is clearly

evident. People v. Cox, 2023 IL App (1st) 170761, ¶ 42. Still, we review de novo the trial court’s

ultimate legal conclusion as to whether suppression was required. Id. We now turn to the merits.

¶ 40 B. Legal Standards Governing Suppression of Statements

¶ 41 Both the United States and Illinois Constitutions provide that no person shall be compelled

in any criminal case to be a witness against himself. U.S. Const., amend. V; Ill. Const. 1970, art.

I, § 10. To safeguard the right against self-incrimination, an accused must be advised prior to any

custodial interrogation of certain rights, including the right to remain silent. Miranda v. Arizona,

384 U.S. 436, 471 (1966). An accused may invoke his right to remain silent either verbally or

through conduct that clearly indicates a desire for all questioning to cease. Flores, 2014 IL App

(1st) 121786, ¶ 37 (citing People v. Hernandez, 362 Ill. App. 3d 779, 785 (2005)); see also People

v. Nielson, 187 Ill. 2d 271, 287 (1999) (finding that the defendant invoked his right to remain silent

when he placed his hands over his ears, looked up at the ceiling, and chanted, “nah nah nah”). If

exercised verbally, the demand to end the interrogation must be specific. Flores, 2014 IL App

(1st) 121786, ¶ 37.

¶ 42 However, the invocation of the right to remain silent must be unambiguous, unequivocal,

and clear. People v. Kronenberger, 2014 IL App (1st) 110231, ¶ 33 (citing Berghuis v. Thompkins,

560 U.S. 370, 381 (2010)). An interrogation “must cease once the individual indicates in any

manner and at any time prior to or during a custodial interrogation that he wishes to remain silent.”

Flores, 2014 IL App (1st) 121786, ¶ 37. In assessing whether an accused has invoked his right to

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remain silent, the statements must be examined in the factual context of their utterance. People v.

Milner, 123 Ill. App. 3d 656, 660 (1984). Whether a statement constitutes a clear and unequivocal

assertion of the right to remain silent is an objective inquiry and depends on how a reasonable

police officer would have perceived the defendant’s statement. See Davis v. United States, 512

U.S. 452, 459 (1994). Nevertheless, an interrogator’s response to the statement may assist in

determining whether an invocation of the right was clear and unambiguous. People v. Ward, 2023

IL App (1st) 190364, ¶ 116 (citing Nielson, 187 Ill. 2d at 287). Any statement obtained after the

person has invoked his right to remain silent “cannot be other than the product of compulsion,

subtle or otherwise.” Hernandez, 362 Ill. App. 3d at 785 (quoting Miranda, 384 U.S. at 474).

When a defendant files a motion to suppress his statements to the police, “the State has the burden

of proving the confession was voluntary by a preponderance of the evidence.” Ward, 2023 IL App

(1st) 190364, ¶ 100 (quoting Flores, 2014 IL App (1st) 121786, ¶ 36).

¶ 43 C. Defendant’s First Invocation of Right to Remain Silent

¶ 44 We determine that defendant clearly and unambiguously invoked his right to remain silent.

As noted, the video begins with defendant seated in an interview room as Vekemans and LeMons

enter. Vekemans confirms defendant’s food order and hands him a breakfast sandwich and a cup

of coffee. Defendant takes a sip of coffee, unwraps the sandwich, and begins eating. Vekemans

explains to defendant, “Since you’re at a police department, I have to read you your rights, okay?”

He proceeds to read defendant his Miranda rights from a preprinted form. After doing so,

Vekemans asks whether defendant has any questions. Defendant does not respond verbally but

shakes his head from side to side and then takes another sip of coffee. Vekemans, apparently

interpreting defendant’s side-to-side head shake as a negative response, states. “Okay.” He then

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slides the Miranda form across the table to defendant and hands him a pen. The following

exchange then occurs:

VEKEMANS: Would you mind just signing here saying that I just read this to you?

DEFENDANT: Mmmhmm. [Defendant begins to sign his name].

VEKEMANS: I appreciate it. Je—I really appreciate you being cooperative with

us, you know, I know that—

DEFENDANT: [Shaking head] Not really. I don’t have nothing to say.

VEKEMANS: Well, let’s start with your name. Can we go with that?

DEFENDANT: [No Response]. [Defendant finishes signing his name, hands the

pen back to Vekemans, and picks up the sandwich].

VEKEMANS: [Gesturing toward the sandwich]. You can just have your sandwich,

and I’ll ask you a couple questions as we go if you don’t mind.

Vekemans then asks defendant to spell his name. Defendant takes another bite of the sandwich

and, while chewing, spells his first and last name. Vekemans proceeds to question defendant, not

about Wilcox’s murder, but about his birth date, prior address, finances, and family dynamics.

¶ 45 Defendant’s statement, “Not really. I don’t have nothing to say,” was a clear and

unequivocal invocation of his right to remain silent. It was made immediately after Vekemans

read defendant his Miranda rights and thanked him for “being cooperative” with the investigators.

In direct response, at 8:04:12, defendant interrupted and stated, “Not really. I don’t have nothing

to say,” while shaking his head from side to side—a gesture that is widely recognized as signifying

“no.” This was defendant’s first substantive statement, which served as a clear, preemptive

declaration that he simply did not wish to cooperate with their investigation.

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¶ 46 The trial court correctly recognized that defendant’s statement closely tracked, if not

mirrored, language that appellate courts have deemed sufficient to invoke the right to silence. See

Ward, 2023 IL App (1st) 1903604, ¶ 102 (“I ain’t got nothin’ else to say”; “[g]ot nothin’ to say”;

and “don’t want to say nothing else about it”); Cox, 2023 IL App (1st) 170761, ¶¶ 45, 52 (“I don’t

wanna answer no more questions, ‘cause I can’t help you. And I don’t wanna dig myself into a

hole”); and Flores, 2014 IL App (1st) 121786, ¶ 55, 57 (“[n]ot really, no,” said immediately after

Miranda rights were provided in response to an inquiry whether the defendant wished to speak

with investigators, as well as “ain’t gonna say nothing about nothing”).

¶ 47 The timing of defendant’s statement is also significant. It immediately followed his receipt

of the Miranda warnings and was spoken as he signed the form that Vekemans presented to him.

Vekemans’ expression of appreciation—“I really appreciate you being cooperative with us”—was

met with an immediate negation from defendant, “Not really. I don’t have nothing to say,” thereby

distancing defendant from any implication of cooperation. Our supreme court has made clear that

while the primary focus “should remain on the nature of the actual statement at issue,” the trial

court “may consider the proximity between the Miranda warnings and the purported invocation of

the right to counsel in determining how a reasonable officer in the circumstances would have

understood the suspect’s statement.” In re Christopher K., 217 Ill. 2d 348, 381 (2005). Here,

defendant’s invocation was immediate. See Flores, 2014 IL App (1st) 121786, ¶ 55 (noting the

defendant replied “Not really, no” immediately after he was given Miranda rights and asked

whether he wanted to speak with the detectives). See also Berghuis, 560 U.S. at 381 (“there is no

principled reason to adopt different standards for determining when an accused has invoked the

Miranda right to remain silent and the Miranda right to counsel”).

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¶ 48 Given this context, defendant’s verbal statement, accompanying nonverbal gesture, and the

timing of both, can reasonably only be interpreted as a refusal to cooperate with the investigators

and a clear invocation of his right to remain silent. See People v. Diaz, 377 Ill. App. 3d 339, 347

(2007) (“This right to silence may be invoked either verbally or through conduct that clearly

indicates a desire to end all questioning”).

¶ 49 On appeal, the State appears to argue that defendant’s invocation of the right to remain

silent was ineffective because Vekemans did not treat it as such. See Ward, 2023 IL App (1st)

190364, ¶ 116 (“a questioning officer’s reaction to a purported invocation is often relevant” (citing

Nielson, 187 Ill. 2d at 287). It points to Vekemans’ responses, “Well, let’s start with your name.

Can we go with that?” and “I’ll ask you a couple questions as we go if you don’t mind,” and asserts

that those comments were good-faith attempts to clarify defendant’s “ambiguous statement” and

discern whether defendant had, in fact, invoked his right to remain silent. 3 The State further argues

that, because defendant did not affirmatively reply that he did not wish to answer any questions,

but instead “began calmly answering the questions posed to him by the investigators,” a reasonable

officer would not have understood defendant’s statement as an invocation of the right to silence.

We disagree.

3 Vekemans did not testify that he believed defendant’s initial statement was ambiguous. Rather,

he interpreted defendant’s statement as indicating “that he was not emotionally prepared to talk about the

egregiousness of the incident.” On appeal, the State characterizes the interview as a single, continuous

exchange, and that defendant’s statements reflected defendant’s “reluctance to convey to the officers all the

details of the offense.” Of course, at this very early point in the interview, the investigators had not

questioned defendant regarding Wilcox’s murder, let alone asked him for any “details.”

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¶ 50 The State’s argument is circular because it treats Vekemans’ decision to continue

questioning defendant, not as a failure to scrupulously honor defendant’s right to remain silent,

but as evidence that no violation occurred at all. While an officer’s reaction may be relevant to

the analysis, it cannot be used to retroactively invalidate an otherwise clear invocation of the right

to remain silent. See Nielson, 187 Ill. 2d at 287 (officers’ reaction—immediately ceasing interview

and returning the defendant to his cell—after the defendant covered his ears, looked at the ceiling,

and chanted ‘nah nah nah,’ bolstered court’s determination that the defendant had invoked his right

to remain silent). Here, the State appears to use Vekemans’ decision to press forward with the

interview as a measure of defendant’s clarity in invoking his right to silence. However, the

question is not whether the investigator honored the invocation, but rather, whether a reasonable

investigator under the circumstances would have understood defendant’s statement as an

unequivocal invocation of that right. See Davis, 512 U.S. at 459; Tucker, 2022 IL App (1st)

172982, ¶ 47.

¶ 51 Moreover, nothing required defendant to repeatedly invoke his right to remain silent before

the investigators would be obligated to honor it. The State emphasizes that defendant “freely

answered [the investigators’] questions and never indicated that he did not wish to speak with

them.” The State, however, advocates for an overly rigid view of what constitutes a valid

invocation of the right to silence. It is well settled that there are no magic words to invoke the

privilege. “[N]o ritualistic formula or talismanic phrase is essential in order to invoke the privilege

against self-incrimination. All that is necessary is an objection stated in language that [an

interrogator] may reasonably be expected to understand as an attempt to invoke the privilege.”

Emspak v. United States, 349 U.S. 190, 194 (1955).

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¶ 52 Given the clarity of defendant’s invocation, Vekemans’ follow-up responses were

unwarranted and inappropriate. There was simply nothing for him to clarify. Vekemans’ remarks,

while phrased politely, were not genuine clarification questions. A true clarifying inquiry would

have addressed defendant’s statement, such as asking, “Do you mean you don’t want to talk to

us?” or “Do you wish to remain silent?” Instead, Vekemans framed his response as a soft transition

into continued questioning. He did not end the interview or ask defendant directly whether he did

not wish to proceed; He simply sidestepped defendant’s clear invocation and began the interview

with language that assumed defendant’s consent rather than confirmed it.

¶ 53 Defendant’s responsiveness to questioning that did not pertain to the investigation into

Wilcox’s murder, such as regarding his living situation, family dynamics, finances, and the

circumstances that led to his recent incarceration, does not alter the analysis. Once a person

invokes his or her right to silence, the person “can control the time at which questioning occurs,

the subjects discussed, and the duration of the interrogation.” (Emphasis added.) Michigan v.

Mosley, 423 U.S. 96, 103-104 (1975). Moreover, “an accused’s postrequest responses to further

interrogation may not be used to cast retrospective doubt on the clarity of the initial request itself.”

Flores, 2014 IL App (1st) 121786, ¶ 38 (quoting Smith v. Illinois, 469 U.S. 91, 100 (1984)).

¶ 54 The State describes this portion of the interview as depicting defendant “engag[ing] in a

very calm conversation, *** freely answer[ing] their questions.” This characterization is overly

charitable to the State’s position, because defendant’s responses to the investigators’ initial

questions were terse and limited to just a few words. For instance, defendant provided his former

address only in fragments—requiring Vekemans to ask several follow-up questions—first eliciting

only the house number, then the street name, and finally the town.

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¶ 55 Vekemans eventually steered the conversation into rapport building and offered

emotionally validating commentary. Indeed, defendant responded with complete sentences only

after Vekemans asked about his mother’s passing and the resulting conflict with his sister

concerning their mother’s estate, which culminated in defendant’s recent incarceration. Instead of

honoring defendant’s invocation, Vekemans advanced the conversation by asking him about the

circumstances that led to defendant’s prior arrest, discussing those circumstances in detail, and

sympathizing with him. Vekemans explained that defendant was “just getting fucked all around,”

“definitely got a raw deal,” and that defendant’s recent incarceration “seems like it was bullshit.”

At one point, defendant stated that he was “tortured mentally” in prison, and Vekemans expressed

sympathy, stating he could not “imagine what [defendant] went through.” While such techniques

are common in interrogation settings to encourage conversation (see McGraw v. Holland, 257 F.3d

513, 519 (2001) (detective was “very sympathetic” and “obviously believed that she could catch

more flies with honey than with vinegar”), their use here was inappropriate. Once defendant

invoked his right to silence, the investigators were required to scrupulously honor that right by

ceasing all questioning. Mosley, 423 U.S. at 103-104.

¶ 56 The State also contends that defendant’s statement, “Not really. I don’t have nothing to

say,” was ambiguous because it was followed by an additional phrase—“I don’t know.” The State

invites this court to independently review the video and discern that phrase. See Flores, 2014 IL

App (1st) 121786, ¶ 35 (applying de novo review to trial court’s suppression ruling because trial

court reviewed recordings of the interrogation, which the appellate court was equally capable of

assessing). We have carefully viewed the video numerous times, including with the use of

headphones, and can conclude only that the words following defendant’s invocation are indistinct.

To our ears, the phrase more plausibly sounds like “you know,” which is a verbal filler that mirrors

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the language that Vekemans himself had used twice in the seconds immediately preceding the

interruption. Defendant also used that phrase several times later in the interview. We decline to

assign value to indistinct audio that was not acknowledged by Vekemans in his testimony and was

raised by the State only after it had received an adverse ruling. Such speculation cannot cast doubt

on an otherwise clear invocation of defendant’s right to remain silent.

¶ 57 D. Defendant’s Subsequent Invocations of Right to Remain Silent

¶ 58 Defendant also clearly and unequivocally invoked his right to remain silent later in the

interview through repeated verbal statements and nonverbal cues. After defendant detailed the

events that led to his recent incarceration, Vekemans pivoted the conversation to defendant’s

movements following his release from jail the prior day. Defendant explained that he first went to

the home of an acquaintance he had met while incarcerated and who had offered him a place to

stay, but that person was not home. Defendant then walked to his former home in North Chicago,

arriving at approximately 1:30 p.m., where he surveilled the property. He purchased beer and sat

near a bicycle path to drink and collect his thoughts, telling the investigators that he was “freezing

to death.” After finishing the beer, he returned to the North Chicago address hoping to enter

unnoticed, but he abandoned that plan after seeing someone he did not recognize staying at the

house. Defendant told the investigators that he then walked to a bar owned by an acquaintance,

hoping that he might offer advice or assistance because “nothing was working out” and defendant

had nowhere to stay. The acquaintance declined to help defendant, and so, when it was “pretty

late,” defendant “walked all the way to Park City.”

¶ 59 At that point, the following colloquy occurred: 4

4 A verbatim transcript is not included in the record on appeal. However, this court has reviewed

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VEKEMANS: Is that when you went to Nancy’s house?

DEFENDANT: Yeah, but she wouldn’t answer the door, and I just snapped.

VEKEMANS: And then what happened after that?

DEFENDANT: I just snapped. [Shaking head from side to side]. I really don’t

want to talk about it.

VEKEMANS: No, I understand. But what made you snap?

LeMONS: We can’t—We don’t blame you.

DEFENDANT: I know. I just—I just snapped. I was—My brain was frozen.

VEKEMANS: Sometimes you just go black, right? I mean, we’ve all been there.

DEFENDANT: I don’t even remember a whole lot. But I just—I really wanted

Brittany’s ass. But I guess I didn’t snap enough back—because if I would have snapped

over at my house I would have gone right in through that window. I just snapped, you

know? I just—I just snapped. I just snapped. Everything—everything that they did to

me just—

VEKEMANS: All came down at once, huh?

DEFENDANT: —came down on me and I was freezing. I thought—I thought I

was gonna die. I didn’t have nowhere to go. I didn’t know where I was gonna sleep, you

know? And I couldn’t walk anymore. My feet were numb. I just snapped, you know? I

just—

the recording of the interview and has independently prepared a transcript of this portion of the interview

based on its careful observation and review. The State included its own partial transcript in the argument

portion of its appellate brief, which is substantively the same as that prepared by this court.

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VEKEMANS: Well, just hearing your story, I can sympathize with you. I mean, I

get it, man. It seems like everybody that—You seem like a proud man, not a man that

would go and ask for help, and the few people that you did ask for help kind of turned you

out, I mean, you can—a man can only take so much.

DEFENDANT: They can give me the death penalty, and that’ll be fine.

VEKEMANS: Well—

LeMONS: You—Sorry.

VEKEMANS: No, go ahead, Lana.

LeMONS: You—obviously when you got over to Nancy’s house, did you knock

on the door and she just wouldn’t let you in, or—?

DEFENDANT: I pounded on the door, and they acted like they didn’t hear me. I’m

sure Diana told her I was going to try to be there. Maybe they conspired against me.

LeMONS: And then, how did you end up getting into Nancy’s house?

DEFENDANT: I broke through the window.

LeMONS: Did you break the window and go in? Or was it open?

DEFENDANT: No, I broke it.

LeMONS: Ok. You broke it and went inside?

DEFENDANT: [No response].

VEKEMANS: What happened when you got inside?

DEFENDANT: [Shaking head] I—I really don’t want to talk about it.

VEKEMANS: No, no, I understand, but, you know—

LeMONS: Jeff, sometimes it— it helps—and we—

VEKEMANS: It helps us understand.

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LeMONS: We get it. We get why you did it.

DEFENDANT: I’m going to get the death penalty anyways.

LeMONS: This is Illinois. They don’t have that.

VEKEMANS: Well, Jeff, I don’t want to—

[All three speaking at once]

LeMONS: And you got fucked by everybody. We’re not trying to—

DEFENDANT: [Shaking head] I really don’t want to talk about it.

VEKEMANS: No—I—it’s ok. I understand. Um—

DEFENDANT: I fucked up. You know, I prayed to God every day not to let this

happen. [Inaudible] not even God to listen to me, so—

VEKEMANS: Well, I understand, Jeff, that you don’t want to talk about it

specifically, and I get that, um, but can you just—

DEFENDANT: God damn, I can’t even get the Lord to listen to me, that’s bad.

VEKEMANS: Well, sometimes it just takes him a little while to get his shit

together, you know.

DEFENDANT: Yeah, well, a little late now.

VEKEMANS: He’s got a lot of people to listen to, you know? Um, can you just—

I know you don’t want to talk about specifically what happened but, um, can you just tell

me—

DEFENDANT: I beat the fuck out of her. Like, I accused her of fucking my life

up with Diana and that, and she got violent. It just got out of control. [Defendant rubs

right side of his forehead].

VEKEMANS: Did she hit you?

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DEFENDANT: Yeah.

VEKEMANS: What happened to your head?

DEFENDANT: She fucking clocked me with something. I think it was the oven thing.

VEKEMANS: Oven thing?

DEFENDANT: You know, the—

VEKEMANS: Like the steel grate thing?

VEKEMANS: She cracked you in the head with that?

DEFENDANT: Mmmhmm.

VEKEMANS: It was a pretty nasty fight, huh?

VEKEMANS: How did that fight end?

DEFENDANT: [No response.]

VEKEMANS: Jeff, I know we’re not beating around the bush here. I mean, we all

know what we’re talking about.

DEFENDANT: I stabbed her.

¶ 60 The above exchange confirms that, at three distinct points during the interview—8:20:33,

8:22:20, and 8:22:37, defendant stated, “I really don’t want to talk about it.” In each instance,

defendant shook his head from side to side which, again, is widely accepted to mean “no.” These

were not stray comments or vague expressions of discomfort, conversational hesitation, or a

“reluctance in describing how he brutally stabbed his aunt,” as the State argues on appeal. The

timing and context of these statements underscore their legal significance. In each instance,

defendant’s statements were in direct response to a pointed question concerning what transpired

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when he arrived at Wilcox’s residence on the night of her murder. The questions did not seek

“particular details” of the murder, but rather, sought an initial confession. Defendant’s statements

were remarkably consistent and clear, because he uttered the exact same phrase, “I really don’t

want to talk about it,” three times within a roughly two-minute timespan. Just as in defendant’s

first invocation of his right to remain silent at the very beginning of the interrogation, there is

nothing ambiguous about these statements. They were timely, specific, and unambiguous

invocations of his right to remain silent.

¶ 61 Instead of scrupulously honoring that right and immediately ending the interview, the

investigators acknowledged defendant’s statements and pressed forward. Their responses, though

couched in empathetic language, subtly redirected the conversation rather than ended it.

Vekemans responses, “No, I understand. But what made you snap?” and “What happened when

you got inside?” were not general inquiries, but targeted efforts to elicit a narrative of the murder.

LeMons echoed this approach, stating that she did not “blame” defendant, that defendant “got

fucked by everybody,” and that she understood why defendant “did it.” These comments were not

neutral acknowledgements, but rather, were strategic attempts to steer the conversation back

toward the offense and elicit inculpatory statements, notwithstanding defendant’s repeated

invocations of his right to silence.

¶ 62 The State relies on People v. Aldridge, 79 Ill. 2d 87 (1980) and Kronenberger, 2014 IL

App (1st) 110231, to argue that the trial court’s suppression ruling should be reversed. In Aldridge,

the defendant was charged with murder and subsequently approached a jailer, indicating that he

wished to confess. People v. Aldridge, 68 Ill. App. 3d 181, 184 (1979). Defendant was advised

of his Miranda rights and signed a waiver. Several times during the interrogation, defendant

refused to provide certain details of the offense, but the officers nevertheless continued to question

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him. The statements relied on by the defendant in arguing for suppression included: “so anyway

have you got enough?” “I think you got enough, you got the story now,” and “Look, you’ve got

enough details right now that fits the crime so let’s hang this up.” People v. Aldridge, 68 Ill. App.

3d 181, 186 (1980). Based on these and other similar comments, the defendant argued before the

appellate and supreme court that he had invoked his right to remain silent. In affirming the

appellate court and rejecting defendant’s argument that his confession should have been

suppressed, our supreme court concluded that these statements reflected mere resistance to

“answering questions concerning particular details of the offense to which he had confessed” rather

than “attempting to terminate the questioning altogether.” Aldridge, 79 Ill. 2d at 95.

¶ 63 In Kronenberger, 2014 IL App (1st) 110231, ¶ 36, the defendant provided information in

a videotaped interview with a detective concerning a homicide but denied that he was the shooter.

The detective left the interrogation room and returned ten minutes later. Id. Upon return, the

detective asked defendant whether he needed to use the restroom, and defendant shook his head.

At that point, the detective asked, “No? Are you done talking to me? Are you done talking to all

of us?” and defendant responded “yeah.” Id. In affirming the trial court’s ruling denying the

defendant’s motion to suppress, the court examined the context of the entire conversation and

concluded that the defendant did not unambiguously invoke his right to silence. Id. ¶ 37. The

court noted that the defendant had provided information regarding the offense earlier in the

interview, and it was “unclear from the defendant’s response whether he wished to invoke his

constitutional right to silence or whether he, after having spoken to [a detective] in the earlier 14-

minute conversation, had nothing else to tell the detectives.” Id.

¶ 64 The State argues that the instant matter is like Aldridge and Kronenberger because

defendant’s repeated statements, “I really don’t want to talk about it,” reflected only a “reluctance

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to discuss the grizzly [sic] details” of the murder. It notes that defendant willingly discussed his

family dynamics, ongoing legal problems, and even his whereabouts on the day of the murder, and

his statements regarding what transpired when he reached Wilcox’s residence reflect “that he

simply did not want to provide further details about the actual murder itself.”

¶ 65 The State’s argument is unavailing because, unlike in Aldridge and Kronenberger,

defendant had neither confessed nor made any inculpatory statements by that point. Until the point

that the investigators asked defendant what occurred when he arrived at Wilcox’s home, the

interview centered on defendant’s relationship with his sister, Diana, his financial difficulties, the

family strife that followed his mother’s passing, and the circumstances leading to his recent

incarceration. Indeed, until this part of the interview, Wilcox was mentioned only briefly—when

defendant noted that she controlled his mother’s trust, that she “sided” with Diana, and that Wilcox

had paid defendant’s former attorney with funds that defendant had inherited from his Aunt

Maxine. Importantly, when defendant stated that he did not “want to talk about it,” the subject of

Wilcox’s murder had not yet come up. It is illogical for the State to suggest that defendant was

declining to discuss “details” of a topic that had not yet been introduced. Defendant’s statements

were not a refusal to elaborate, but rather, they were a clear effort to end the questioning altogether.

¶ 66 The State also relies on two unpublished cases in support of its position, but that reliance

is misplaced for the same reasons as discussed above. In People v. Simmons, 2021 IL App (1st)

181351-U, ¶¶ 52-53, the court held that, when viewed in proper context, most of the defendant’s

purported invocations, including “I just don’t want to say anything,” and “I don’t even want to talk

to ya’ll [sic] anymore,” were isolated, equivocal statements that did not qualify as invocations of

the right to silence. There, the defendant continued “speaking immediately after making such

statements, including asking questions himself of the detectives right after supposedly invoking

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his right to remain silent.” Id. ¶ 52. In essence, the defendant reinitiated the dialogue and

undermined his own claim that he wished to remain silent.

¶ 67 In People v. Harris, 2023 IL App (1st) 191916-U, ¶ 62, the appellate court determined that

the defendant’s statement that he was “done talking” was not a clear invocation of his right to

silence. The court noted that one of the detectives had, “almost reflexively” asked defendant,

“Why?” which the court stated was reasonable given that the defendant had openly spoken with

the detectives for “some time” after previously asserting he did not wish to talk because he feared

his co-arrestees could overhear him from adjacent interview rooms. Id. Relying on Kronenberger,

2014 IL App (1st) 110231, the court concluded that the defendant’s statement was ambiguous and

did not reflect a desire to cease all questioning. Id. ¶ 66. It emphasized that defendant had

participated in the conversation for more than 20 minutes, where he gave inculpatory statements,

and it was unclear whether defendant wished to remain silent or simply “had nothing else” to say.

Id. It also noted that, when detectives prompted the defendant by asking him “why” he was “done

talking,” defendant did not invoke his right to silence, but rather, stated that he did not believe his

co-arrestees would exculpate him. Id. ¶¶ 62, 66.

¶ 68 The defendants in Simmons and Harris, unlike in the instant matter, had already made

inculpatory statements before expressing a desire to stop the interrogation. In both cases, the

defendants’ remarks were made mid-interrogation, during a lengthy, voluntary dialogue and lacked

clarity as to whether the remarks were intended to terminate all questioning. Here, by contrast,

defendant did not speak about the offense immediately after stating “Not really. I don’t have

nothing to say,” which he stated immediately after receiving the Miranda warnings and before

questioning began. That remained true later in the interview, when he said, “I really don’t want to

talk about it,” three times in quick succession, and each time in direct response to the investigators’

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targeted questions regarding the offense. Defendant also shook his head—an accompanying

nonverbal cue indicating “no.” He never asked the investigators for details concerning their

investigation and did not otherwise suggest a willingness to assist them. Critically, defendant had

not confessed or even discussed the murder at the time he declined to speak about the offense,

making his refusal a broad invocation of the right to silence rather than a reluctance to elaborate.

His statements were repeated and consistently offered in direct response to pointed questions

concerning the murder.

¶ 69 We agree with the trial court that defendant unequivocally and unambiguously invoked his

right to remain silent four separate times during the videotaped interview—prior to making any

inculpatory statements, but the investigators failed to scrupulously honor that right. Accordingly,

the trial court correctly granted defendant’s motion to suppress and denied reconsideration.

¶ 70 III. CONCLUSION

¶ 71 For the above reasons, we affirm the orders of the Lake County circuit court granting

defendant’s motion to suppress statements and denying the State’s motion to reconsider.

¶ 72 Affirmed.

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