Memorandum Opinion.
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These consolidated cases require us to decide the following questions: (1) whether MCL 750.338; MSA 28.570, is unconstitutionally vague, (2) whether the common-sense-of-the-community definition of gross indecency should be overruled, (3) whether oral sexual conduct committed in a public place constitutes gross indecency, and (4) whether the specific sexual conduct alleged in People v Brashier constitutes gross indecency because it was committed with a person under the age of consent.
A majority of the justices are of the opinion that
(1) MCL 750.338; MSA 28.570 is not unconstitutionally vague as it is applied to the conduct in Lino (Cavanagh, C.J., and Levin, Brickley, Boyle, Riley, Griffin, and Mallett, JJ.), and that the statute is not unconstitutionally vague as applied to the alleged conduct in Brashier. [571]*571(Cavanagh, C.J., and Levin, Riley, Griffin, and Mallett, JJ.)
(2) To the extent the Court of Appeals in Bra-shier interpreted People v Carey to leave to the jury’s assessment of the common sense of the community the definition of gross indecency, the Court of Appeals is reversed. (Cavanagh, C.J., and Levin, Brickley, Boyle, and Mallett, JJ.)
(3) Oral sexual conduct committed in a public place is grossly indecent under MCL 750.338; MSA 28.570. (Cavanagh, C.J., and Levin, Brickley, Boyle, Riley, Griffin, and Mallett, JJ.)
(4) Procuring or attempting to procure the specific sexual conduct alleged in Brashier with a person under the age of consent can support a conviction under MCL 750.338; MSA 28.570, regardless of whether the conduct is performed in public. (Cavanagh, C.J., and Levin, Riley, Griffin, and Mallett, JJ.)
In Lino, we reverse the decision of the Court of Appeals and we affirm the defendant’s conviction. Fellatio performed in a public place clearly falls within the ambit of MCL 750.338; MSA 28.570.
In Brashier, we reverse the decision of the Court of Appeals in part and affirm in part. Defendant Brashier’s case is remanded to the trial court so that he may stand trial. Procuring or attempting to procure the specific sexual conduct alleged in Brashier with a person under the age of consent can support a conviction under MCL 750.338; MSA
28.570, regardless of whether the conduct is performed in public.
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A. PEOPLE v LINO
On August 23, 1988, several officers, including [572]*572officers Smith and Ferguson, were investigating complaints of prostitution in the Michigan Avenue and Larch Street area of Lansing. Smith and Ferguson noticed defendant Lino walking on Larch, waving at passing cars. Lino was dressed as a woman; however, from past experience the officers knew that Lino was a man. The police followed a tan pickup truck that picked up Lino. The pickup eventually came to a stop in the overflow parking lot at DeMarco’s restaurant.
The overflow parking lot was enclosed by a six-to eight-foot tall wooden fence on the north and east sides. The south side of the lot is open to the street. There is also an opening on the north side of the fence that allows pedestrian traffic. Although DeMarco’s was open for business at the time of the incident (approximately 12:30 a.m.), there were no other vehicles in the overflow lot.
Officer Ferguson testified that, while he was behind the fence to the north, he saw the driver of the truck lean back in his seat and the defendant’s head moving over the driver’s lap. It was not until the officer climbed up three feet on the fence that he witnessed the defendant performing oral sex (fellatio) on the driver of the pickup truck.
Officer Smith testified that from his vantage point at the pedestrian opening on the north fence, approximately twenty feet away from the vehicle, he saw the driver sitting in the driver’s seat while the defendant bent down out of sight. Officer Smith approached the vehicle and observed the defendant performing oral sex on the driver.
The driver of the truck testified that when he picked up the defendant, the defendant offered to perform oral sex for money. After arriving at the parking lot, the driver paid the defendant twenty dollars and the events, as described, occurred.
Judge Peter Houk presided at the defendant’s [573]*573jury trial. Following the state’s proofs, the defense moved for a directed verdict, claiming that the prosecution failed to present sufficient evidence that the act was committed "openly and in a public place.” Judge Houk denied the motion. The jury found the defendant guilty of gross indecency between males, MCL 750.338; MSA 28.570, under the standard announced by the plurality opinion in People v Howell, 396 Mich 16; 238 NW2d 148 (1976).
On appeal, the defendant claimed that (1) there was insufficient evidence that the act took place in a public place, (2) the gross indecency statute is unconstitutionally vague as applied, and (3) the trial court erred by not instructing the jury under the "common sense of the society standard.” The Court of Appeals reversed the defendant’s conviction using the Howell test and reasoning that the prosecution failed to present sufficient evidence that the act occurred in a public place. 190 Mich App 715, 721; 476 NW2d 654 (1991).
This Court initially denied the prosecutor’s application for leave to appeal, but the prosecutor’s motion for reconsideration was granted. 443 Mich 882 (1993). We ordered that Lino be submitted with People v Brashier.
B. PEOPLE v BRASHIER
Brashier was charged in four separate informations. In each, a fourteen- or fifteen-year-old boy was victimized by Brashier and codefendant Goike. These events occurred in November and December of 1989.
The details varied, but the basic theme was the same. Defendant Brashier would strike up a conversation with the minor victim, eventually asking whether the victim was interested in earning some [574]*574money by "beatin’ up a queer.” Defendant Bra-shier would buy the minor victims lunch and then take them to a hotel room where codefendant Goike was waiting.
With Brashier directing the proceedings, the minors would physically and verbally abuse Goike, while Goike masturbated. The minors would hit Goike with a stick, urinate on him, vomit on him, pour syrup on him, and force him to consume combinations of these materials. All the while, Goike would continue to masturbate, eventually to climax.
For the most part, defendant Brashier’s participation was limited to directing the activities. At times, he would actively participate in the abuse of Goike. At the end of these sessions, the minors were paid and threatened with harm if they ever revealed what happened.
There was never any direct physical sexual contact between the victims and either Brashier or Goike.
In separate informations corresponding to the four minors, these defendants were charged with one count of procuring or attempting to procure the commission of an act of gross indecency between the male minor victim and another male (the codefendant). In the circuit court, the defendant filed a motion to quash. Oakland Circuit Court Judge Fred Mester denied the motion.
The Court of Appeals reversed on interlocutory appeal, holding that the adoption of the Howell test by the Lino panel compelled the result. On the prosecutor’s petition, the Court of Appeals agreed to convene a special panel to resolve the conflict between the Howell standard and the commonsense-of-the-community standard.
The special panel issued a per curiam opinion rejecting the Howell standard for gross indecency [575]*575and adopting the common-sense-of-the-community standard. 197 Mich App 672, 679; 496 NW2d 385 (1992) . The three concurring judges would have adopted the Howell test; however, they agreed that this defendant nevertheless could be bound over. This Court granted leave to appeal, 443 Mich 882 (1993) .
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A
Defendants challenge MCL 750.338; MSA 28.570,1 as being unconstitutionally vague.2 In order to pass constitutional muster, a penal statute must define the criminal offense "with sufficient definiteness that ordinary people can understand what conduct is prohibited and in a manner that does not encourage arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement.” Kolender v Lawson, 461 US 352, 357; 103 S Ct 1855; 75 L Ed 2d 903 (1983) (citations omitted). Vagueness challenges that do not implicate First Amendment freedoms are examined in light of the facts of each particular case. Howell at 21. When making a vagueness determination, a court must also take into consideration any judicial constructions of the statute. Kolender at 355.
Thus, there are at least three ways a penal [576]*576statute may be found unconstitutionally vague: (1) failure to provide fair notice of what conduct is prohibited, (2) encouragement of arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement, or (3) being overbroad and impinging on First Amendment freedoms.3 Howell at 20-21, n 4.
Defendant Lino’s vagueness challenge fails because it is clear that a number of cases hold that the public act of fellatio between males is encompassed within the scope of the gross indecency statute; See Howell at 22, and People v Kalchik, 160 Mich App 40, 45-46; 407 NW2d 627 (1987). Lino had fair notice that public fellatio between males is prohibited by the statute, and, correspondingly, the statute does not create a risk of arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement.
Nor is the statute vague as it applies to Mr. Brashier. He cannot plausibly claim that he could not have known his conduct was prohibited. In McSherry v Block, 880 F2d 1049 (CA 9, 1989), cert den 499 US 943 (1991),4 the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, rejected a vagueness challenge brought by a defendant convicted of "loiter[ing]” under a California statute that provides in pertinent part:
Every person who loiters about any school or public place at or near which children attend or normally congregate and who remains at any school or public place at or near which children attend or normally congregate, or who reenters or [577]*577comes upon such school or place within 72 hours, after being asked to leave ... is a vagrant .... [Cal Penal Code, § 653g.]
Although it was undisputed that the petitioner had not been asked to leave, "[t]he evidence at trial consisted of highly incriminatory observations of the appellant at five different schools, other relevant observations of his behavior, and his prior convictions for kidnapping a minor and lewd conduct with a girl under the age of eighteen.” 880 F2d 1051. The court rioted that "[i]n applying the rule against vagueness or overbroadness something . . . should depend on the moral quality of the conduct.” Freund, The supreme court and civil liberties, 4 Vand LR 533, 540 (1951), quoted with approval in Bouie v City of Columbia, 378 US 347, 362, n 9; 84 S Ct 1697; 12 L Ed 2d 894 (1964).5 The court stated that it was placing "considerable emphasis on this factor,” in rejecting the petitioner’s vagueness challenge. 880 F2d 1055.
In Rose v Locke, 423 US 48, 51; 96 S Ct 243; 46 L Ed 2d 185 (1975), the United States Supreme Court said: "[Although [Wainwright v Stone, 414 US 21; 94 S Ct 190; 38 L Ed 2d 179 (1973)] demonstrated that the existence of previous applications of a particular statute to one set of facts forecloses lack-of-fair-warning challenges to subsequent prosecutions of factually identical conduct, it did not hold that such applications were a prerequisite to a statute’s withstanding constitutional attack.” In that case, the United States [578]*578Supreme Court upheld a conviction for forced cunnilingús under a Missouri statute proscribing "crime[s] against nature,” despite the fact that Missouri courts had never applied the statute to the precise facts of the defendant’s case. Brashier was therefore on notice that sexual activity involving persons under the age of consent could constitute the statutory crime of gross indecency.
B
With respect to defendant Lino, fellatio performed in a public place clearly falls within the ambit of the gross indecency statute.
With respect to defendant Brashier, we remand his case to the trial court so that he may stand trial. If proven true, Brashier’s alleged conduct in orchestrating the conduct of the minors, to facilitate Goike’s sexual arousal and masturbation in the presence of the minors would constitute the offense of procuring, or attempting to procure, an act of gross indecency even though it was not committed in a public place. Procuring or attempting to procure an act of gross indecency with a person under the age of consent can support a conviction under MCL 750.338; MSA 28.570, regardless of whether the conduct is performed in public.
c
This memorandum opinion is signed by the seven participating justices. There are separate concurring and dissenting opinions. However, at least four justices concur in every holding, statement, and disposition of this memorandum opinion.
Levin, J.
(separate opinion). We all agree that Luciano Lino was subject to prosecution for the [579]*579offense of gross indecency between male persons1 on presentation of sufficient evidence that he performed oral sex (fellatio) with another man in public.2
[580]*580I agree with the majority3 that Edward Brashier is subject to prosecution for gross indecency between male persons on presentation of sufficient evidence that he procured minors to perform fetishes to arouse Paul Goike sexually while Goike was masturbating to climax, even though the conduct was not in public and the minors and Goike did not touch each other.4_
[581]*581I
The question shrouded under the sheets, and veiled behind the pages, of the several opinions, is whether it constitutes the felony of gross indecency for consenting adults to engage in oral, anal, or manual sex in private.
Lino is subject to prosecution, if at all, on presentation of sufficient evidence that a sexual act was committed in public, not because oral sex between consenting adults itself is grossly indecent. A married man and woman would be subject to prosecution for gross, indecency between a male and a female person5 if they were to engage in “normal” heterosexual intercourse in public._
[582]*582I would hold, following the lead of the Court of Appeals of Maryland in Schochet v Maryland, 320 Md 714; 580 A2d 176 (1990), that it does not constitute the felony of gross indecency for adults to engage in oral sex (fellatio, cunnilingus) or anal sex, or manual sex, including masturbation or other manual penetration or arousal, as long as the activity is consensual and in private.6_
[583]*583Schochet had been acquitted by the jury of rape, anal intercourse, sodomy, and fellatio of the complaining witness by force or threat of force against her will and without her consent, but convicted of committing "a certain unnatural and perverted sexual practice,” namely fellatio, with the complaining witness. Id., p 718.
Schochet alleged that the statute criminalizing "unnatural and perverted sexual practice” on evidence of fellatio was unconstitutional as applied to private and noncommercial sexual acts between consenting heterosexual adults._
[584]*584Maryland’s highest court said that the principle that a statute should be construed to avoid constitutional questions7 was applicable, and that, to avoid deciding whether criminalizing fellatio was unconstitutional, it would hold that the statute did not encompass consensual, noncommercial heterosexual activity between adults in the privacy of a home. Schochet’s conviction was reversed, with the direction that a judgment of acquittal be entered.
Instructions to a jury should be clear that the accused cannot be convicted of the offense of gross indecency because it might be thought by some or many members of the community that oral, anal, or manual sex is grossly indecent, or that sex between a transvestite8 and another man, or between persons who are not married to each other, or in exchange for the payment of money or other consideration,9 is grossly indecent.
After the superpanel decision of the Court of Appeals in People v Brashier, 197 Mich App 672; 496 NW2d 385 (1992), a new standard criminal jury instruction, replacing an instruction based on the definition of gross indecency set forth in the plurality opinion in People v Howell, 396 Mich 16; 238 NW2d 148 (1976),10 was promulgated by the [585]*585Michigan State Bar Standing Committee on Standard Criminal Jury Instructions, which was established under the authority of this Court.
The new standard instruction allows a jury to decide whether the sexual act charged in the information constitutes an act of gross indecency. The new standard instruction reads:
(1) The defendant is charged with the crime of committing an act of gross indecency with another person. To prove this charge, the prosecutor must prove each of the following elements beyond a reasonable doubt:
(2) First, that the defendant voluntarily committed a sexual act with another person.
(3) Second, that this sexual act was an act of gross indecency. An act is grossly indecent if it is of such a character that the common Sense of society regards it as indecent and improper. [CJI2d 20.31. Emphasis added.]
This new standard instruction shows the deficiency of the common-sense-of-the-community11 definit[586]*586ion, absent further direction from this Court. This new standard instruction does not, in contrast with the former instruction, state that where consenting adults are the only persons involved, the accused may be convicted of gross indecency only if the jury finds that the sexual act was committed in public.
Nor does the new standard instruction state—as the old instruction in effect provided—that an oral, anal, or manual sexual act between consenting adults in private is not an act of gross indecency. Nor does the new standard instruction state—as the old instruction in effect provided—that whether a sexual act is grossly indecent does not depend on whether the act is heterosexual or between gays or lesbians.
Unless a majority of this Court is prepared to affirm a jury verdict finding that oral, anal, or manual sex in private between consenting adult heterosexuals, or gays or lesbians, is grossly indecent, a majority of this Court should preclude such a prosecution or conviction by providing an alternative standard instruction that does not permit the prosecution or conviction of consenting adults under any such circumstances for the commission of such acts in private.
Even if a prosecutor knows that he might not be able to obtain a conviction, he may ruin a person, such as an elected official, by bringing the prosecution. Permitting a prosecutor to commence a prosecution and cause arrests for, and conduct a preliminary examination concerning, and the trier of fact, generally a jury, to decide whether sexual acts committed by consenting adults in private [587]*587constitute acts of gross indecency, poses a substantial risk of abuse.12
This Court should not wait until long after a prosecutor in one of the eighty-three counties files an information against gays or lesbians or heterosexuals for consensual sexual acts committed in private to rein in unstructured prosecutorial/jury discretion.
D
Penalties are provided by the criminal sexual conduct act to cover nonconsensual sexual behavior, or sexual behavior with a person under the age of consent.13 In addition to the gross indecency charge, Brashier was charged with contributing to the delinquency of a child under the age of seventeen,14 with accosting, enticing, or soliciting a child under the age of sixteen years to commit an immoral act,15 and with conspiracy to commit an offense prohibited by law.16
It, therefore, appears that there is little, or at least less, need to continue to include within the definition of gross indecency sexual acts committed [588]*588without consent, or with a person under the age of consent,17 or, indeed, for a definition of gross indecency stating what constitutes gross indecency.
There is, however, clearly a need—to avoid conferring unstructured discretion on the prosecutor/ trier of fact to determine whether an offense has been committed—for this Court to state what does not constitute gross indecency, and specifically for this Court to state that oral, anal, or manual sexual acts committed in private by consenting adults are not grossly indecent. As in People v Myers, 161 Mich App 215; 409 NW2d 788 (1987), and People v Emmerich, 175 Mich App 283; 437 NW2d 30 (1989), this Court should state what does not constitute gross indecency.18
[589]*589II
I agree with the majority that the gross indecency statutes are not void for vagueness as applied to Lino and Brashier. Because of the manner in which the gross indecency statutes have been construed,19 Lino and Brashier cannot claim that the statutes failed to "define the criminal offense [of gross indecency] with sufficient definiteness [590]*590that ordinary people can understand what conduct is prohibited . . . .”20
Although the gross indecency statutes are not void for vagueness as applied to Lino and Brashier, this Court has an obligation to construe them to remedy the vagueness of "gross indecency.”
In Hamling v United States, 418 US 87, 110-116; 94 S Ct 2887; 41 L Ed 2d 590 (1974), the United States Supreme Court held that the defendant had notice, through earlier decisions, that a federal obscenity statute applied to the materials he circulated, and thus the statute was not void for vagueness as applied to him. The Court nevertheless .then construed the statute so that it would be consistent with the obscenity definition set forth in Miller v California, 413 US 15; 93 S Ct 2607; 37 L Ed 2d 419 (1973).
In Commonwealth v Balthazar, 366 Mass 298; 318 NE2d 478 (1974), the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts held that a statute barring unnatural and lascivious acts was not vague as applied to the defendant, but nevertheless narrowed an earlier construction of the statute to remedy vagueness.
In Pryor v Municipal Court of Los Angeles, 25 Cal 3d 238, 253; 158 Cal Rptr 330; 599 P2d 636 (1979), a statute prohibiting solicitation oí "lewd” and "dissolute” conduct, was held not to be vague as applied to the defendant. The California Supreme Court nevertheless adopted a narrowing construction to remedy vagueness, and said: "The judiciary bears an obligation to 'construe enactments to give specific content to terms that might otherwise be unconstitutionally vague.’ ”21_
[591]*591Ill
A criminal statute must provide fair warning of the conduct it prohibits, and may not vest law enforcement officials and juries with unbridled discretion to determine the conduct that is prohibited. Kolender v Lawson, 461 US 352, 357; 103 S Ct 1855; 75 L Ed 2d 903 (1983). The "common sense of the community” definition fails both prongs of this proscription.
An average citizen would not be able to determine the conduct that offends the "common sense of the community.” "In the final analysis, each individual has his own moral codes, private and public, and what acts [sexual acts in this case] might be considered as injurious to public morals are as numerous as the opinions of man.”22 The common-sense-of-the-community definition specifies "no standard of conduct ... at all.” Coates v Cincinnati, 402 US 611, 614; 91 S Ct 1686; 29 L Ed 2d 214 (1971).
The common-sense-of-the-community definition is vague in much the same way as the ordinance in Coates that prohibited "three or more persons to assemble ... on any of the sidewalks . . . and there conduct themselves in a manner annoying to persons passing by . . . .” In striking down the ordinance, the United States Supreme Court said:
Conduct that annoys some people does not annoy others. Thus, the ordinance is vague, not in the sense that it requires a person to conform his conduct to an imprecise but comprehensible normative standard, but rather in the sense that no [592]*592standard of conduct is specified at all. [Coates, supra, p 614.]
A legislature, thus, may not enact a standard for criminal liability that depends on the varied and constantly changing sensibilities of the public.23
In Commonwealth v Balthazar, supra, the court reconsidered its earlier decision in Jaquith v Commonwealth, 331 Mass 439, 442; 120 NE2d 189 (1954), in which it had defined the term "unnatural and lascivious acts” as signifying "irregular indulgence in sexual behavior, illicit sexual relations, and infamous conduct which is lustful, obscene, and in deviation of accepted customs and manners.” (Emphasis added.) The court, to remedy vagueness, held that the "unnatural and lascivious acts” statute would no longer apply to private consensual sexual relations between adults. The court said:
In light of these changes [developments in the right to privacy] and in light of our own awareness that community values on the subject of permissible sexual conduct no longer are as monolithic as the Jaquith case suggested they were in 1954, we conclude that [Mass Ann Laws, ch 272, § 35] must be construed to be inapplicable to private, consensual conduct of adults. We do so on the ground that the concept of general community disapproval of specific sexual conduct, which is inherent in § 35, requires such an interpretation. [Balthazar, supra, p 302. Emphasis added.]
The court held, however, that because Balthazar [593]*593had been convicted of forcing a woman to engage in sexual relations, the statute could be applied to him.
When Balthazar sought a writ of habeas corpus, the federal courts joined Massachusetts’ highest court in recognizing the impermissible vagueness of a criminal statute that bases liability on community standards. The United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts said:
While a state may have a legitimate interest in protecting community sensibilities, criminal liability should only attach to clearly delineated transgression. Currents of community standards are constantly shifting. These changes are sometime subtle. Standards are apt to vary from generation to generation without the specific awareness of either generation. This is true in the area of private sexual conduct, among others. [Balthazar v Superior Court of Massachusetts, 428 F Supp 425, 433 (D Mass, 1977).]
On appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit, the court said that the "District Court was rightly concerned that the use of constantly shifting community standards, as the test of what conduct falls within the terms of a criminal statute, places the public 'at its peril to anticipate a judicial pronouncement that public standards of morality have changed.’5,24 Balthazar v Superior Court of Massachusetts, 573 F2d 698, 701 (CA 1, 1978).25
[594]*594B
The "common sense of the community” definition vests the community—law enforcement officials and juries—with discretion to criminalize sexual behavior it finds offensive. This discretion conflicts with the United States Supreme Court’s recent statement "that the more important aspect of the vagueness doctrine ’is not actual notice, but [595]*595the other principal element of the doctrine—the requirement that a legislature establish minimal guidelines to govern law enforcement.’ ” Kolender, supra, p 358. Where the legislature fails to enact such guidelines, the Court explained, "a criminal statute may permit 'a standardless sweep [that] allows policemen, prosecutors, and juries to pursue their personal predilections.’ ”
Under the "common sense of the community” definition, police, prosecutors, and especially juries make the sort of standardless sweep of sexual behavior prohibited in Kolender. As stated by the Supreme Court of Alaska, in holding that a statute proscribing the "crime against nature” was void for vagueness: "[w]e cannot allow criminality to depend only upon the moral sentiment or idiosyncracies of the tribunal before which a defendant is tried.” Harris v State, 457 P2d 638, 641 (Alas, 1969).
In a gross indecency prosecution under the common sense of the community definition, the prosecutor is not required to call "expert” witnesses to provide evidence concerning the common sense of the community. The prosecutor simply presents proof of the allegedly indecent act. The judge then instructs the jury that if it finds that the defendant committed the act and that the act offends the common sense of the community, it should convict. The jury thus becomes the arbiter of what constitutes the common sense of the community.26
There is no fixed yardstick against which to measure the jury’s conclusion that the act in [596]*596question violates the "common sense of the community.” Because the jury is "the community,” its determination that an act offends the common sense of the community would ordinarily decide the matter. Under the "common sense of the community” definition, a reviewing court would find it difficult to decide that the "community” misapplied its own "common sense.”
The United States Supreme Court’s obscenity jurisprudence27 shows the importance of substantive limitations ("fixed yardsticks”) in criminal statutes. In Jenkins v Georgia, 418 US 153, 159; 94 S Ct 2750; 41 L Ed 2d 642 (1974), the Court reversed a decision of the Georgia Supreme Court that affirmed the defendant’s obscenity conviction for showing the movie "Carnal Knowledge.” In the United States Supreme Court, the State of Georgia argued that the question whether the film was obscene was "a question of fact for the jury, and that the jury having resolved this question against appellant, and there being some evidence to support its findings, the judgment of conviction should be affirmed.” The Court unanimously rejected Georgia’s argument that the jury’s verdict must be affirmed simply because there was some evidence to support it, and the implication that an obscenity conviction must be affirmed whenever a jury determines that the material violated "community standards.”28_
[597]*597The Jenkins decision29 shows that an obscenity [598]*598conviction cannot rest on a jury’s ad hoc, ad hominem application of community standards.30 An obscenity conviction must be consistent with "substantive constitutional limitations.” Id., p 160.
The common sense of the community definition is devoid of substantive limitations. The common sense of the community definition is the Miller definition for obscenity minus any substantive limitations like those found in Miller. It is, in short, the test for obscenity squarely rejected in Jenkins.
The Supreme Court of California recently observed:
The obscenity test as developed in Supreme Court decisions was not framed to measure non-communicative conduct; with no audience to be aroused pruriently or redeemed socially, all that is left of the test is the appeal to contemporary community standards. That appeal is the vaguest part of the test and, standing alone, does not provide a sufficient standard to judge the criminality of conduct. [Pryor, supra, p 250.]
IV
In Lino, the jury was instructed that the prosecutor must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the act was "committed .openly and in a public place,” and, apparently, so found.31_
[599]*599We all agree, that a person, man or woman, who commits fellatio, in public has committed an "act of gross indecency.”
The meaning of "public” is not, however, self-evident. The New York Court of Appeals explained that, "[b]ecause the term 'public place’ has no cut- and-dried meaning, it is necessary to interpret and apply the statute [banning lewd public conduct] in a manner that comports with its purpose.” People v McNamara, 78 NY2d 626, 633; 585 NE2d 788 (1991).
The New York Court of Appeals held that New York’s public lewdness statute applies only where the "objective circumstances” establish that lewd acts "can, and likely would, be seen by the casual passerby, whose sensibilities the statute seeks to protect.” McNamara, supra, pp 634-635. In the words of New York’s highest court:
That a member of the public may pass by is certainly part of the essence of a public place, and the harm to such a person’s sensibilities is precisely that aimed at by the statute. Conversely, where no such harm is likely, the statute is not violated. [Id., p 633.]
The Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts and the California Supreme Court have similarly defined the term "public place” as set forth in [600]*600public lewdness statutes. The Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts held that to establish the "public place” element of public lewdness, "[t]he Commonwealth must prove that the likelihood of being observed by a casual passerby must have been reasonably foreseeable to the defendant or, stated otherwise, that the defendant acted upon an unreasonable expectation that his conduct would remain secret.” Commonwealth v Ferguson, 384 Mass 13, 16; 422 NE2d 1365 (1981). In Pryor, supra, p 256, the California Supreme Court held that its public lewdness statute prohibited only a limited range of conduct, and only when "the actor knows or should know of the presence of persons who may be offended by his conduct.”
This Court should follow the lead of the highest courts of New York, Massachusetts, and California, and hold that, to establish the "public place” element of gross indecency, the prosecutor must prove that when the sexual act was committed, the objective circumstances indicated that the conduct could have been seen, and was likely to have been seen, by members of the public.32
The jury in Lino’s trial was not properly instructed concerning the "public place” element of [601]*601gross indecency.33 After deliberating for approximately one-half hour, the jury asked the judge, "[w]hat constitutes a public place and is being in a personal vehicle the same as being in a public place?” The judge responded that, "[t]here is no exact answer to the questions that you have asked. Those judgments are entrusted to you for your sound judgment. I will tell you generally that a public place is one to which the public has an open view or access.” (Emphasis added.)
The judge’s response did not inform the jury that a public place, in addition to being open to the public’s view, is a place in which one would reasonably expect to find members of the public or casual passersby.34
v
One of my colleagues’ opinions suggests that Brashier’s conduct might be chargeable as a felony punishable by imprisonment for up to twenty [602]*602years.35 The penal statute adverted to36 provides such a penalty on conviction of causing a person who is less than eighteen years of age to engage in "child sexually abusive activity for the purpose of producing any child sexually abusive material . . . .” The term "child sexually abusive material” is defined as meaning a photograph, film, slide, electronic visual image, or sound recording of a child engaging in sexual intercourse, erotic fondling, sadomasochistic abuse, masturbation, passive sexual involvement, sexual excitement, or erotic nudity, as each of those terms is specifically defined in the statute. The record does not, however, indicate that the sexual activity charged in Brashier was photographed or otherwise recorded so that it could be viewed on a subsequent occasion.
The statute also subjects to prosecution with a like penalty "a person who attempts or prepares or conspires to arrange for, produce, make, or finance any child sexually abusive activity or child sexually abusive material . . . .” There was no "audience” other than Brashier, and it does not appear that the conduct of the minors was for the purpose of Brashier’s sexual gratification or stimulation.37
That colleague also states that the majority of this Court today defines gross indecency as including "any and all conduct that a jury thinks is indecent,”38 and "[d]espite contrary protestations, [has] adopt[ed] a broad view of the statute,”39 and "[f]aced with the unattractive prospect of finding Brashier’s conduct outside the reach of the gross [603]*603indecency statute,”40 the majority has solved the problem by saying in effect, that gross indecency is what four members of this Court say it is.
In Howell, supra, a plurality of this Court defined gross indecency as including oral and manual sexual acts committed "with” a person under the age of consent. The three concurring judges in the superpanel decision in Brashier read the Howell definition as permitting prosecution of Brashier on the basis that his conduct involved a manual sexual act committed by Goike "with” a person under the age of consent even though the person under the age of consent did not touch Goike.41
I would reverse and remand for a new trial in Lino, and join in remanding for trial in Brashier.