People v. Carrier

867 N.W.2d 463, 309 Mich. App. 92, 2015 Mich. App. LEXIS 145
CourtMichigan Court of Appeals
DecidedJanuary 27, 2015
DocketDocket 322020
StatusPublished
Cited by11 cases

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Bluebook
People v. Carrier, 867 N.W.2d 463, 309 Mich. App. 92, 2015 Mich. App. LEXIS 145 (Mich. Ct. App. 2015).

Opinion

MURPHY, P.J.

Defendant was charged with one count of making a terrorist threat, MCL 750.543m, and one count of possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony (felony-firearm), MCL 750.227b. In support of the threat-of-terrorism charge, the prosecution relied, in part, on phone communications between defendant and an emergency services specialist while the specialist was maiming a mental health crisis hotline. After the 80-minute call was concluded, the emergency services specialist contacted 911 and reported specific threats *95 that defendant had made during the crisis hotline call. Defendant argued that his conversation with the emergency services specialist and the related 911 recording concerned privileged communications and were thus inadmissible in the criminal case brought against him. The district court bound defendant over on the two charges following the preliminary examination, declining to address the privilege issue, because it found that other unchallenged evidence existed that adequately established the probable cause threshold. Subsequently, the circuit court ruled that defendant’s statements and threats that were conveyed to the emergency services specialist during the crisis hotline call constituted privileged communications, absent any waiver of the privilege. Accordingly, the circuit court granted defendant’s motion to exclude the testimony of the specialist and the associated 911 recording, but the court denied defendant’s accompanying motion to quash the information. The prosecutor then filed an application for leave to appeal, challenging the circuit court’s evidentiary ruling and arguing that the doctrine of privilege did not require exclusion of the evidence. The application was granted by this Court. People v Carrier, unpublished order of the Court of Appeals, entered July 29, 2014 (Docket No. 322020). We now hold that although defendant’s communications were generally privileged, the privilege was effectively waived or lost to the extent that defendant voiced threats of physical violence against reasonably identifiable third persons with regard to whom he had the apparent intent and ability to carry out the threats in the foreseeable future, MCL 330.1946(1). We therefore reverse and remand.

I. FACTS

At the preliminary examination, Jason Felber testified that on August 13,2013, he went with defendant to *96 a local bar and had a couple of drinks. Felber indicated that they left the bar well after midnight and then went to Felber’s house and consumed more alcohol. According to Felber, defendant thereafter became upset and started threatening to harm people. Felber testified that defendant threatened to put defendant’s girlfriend in a wood chipper and to kill Deputy Tony Peter of the Bay County Sheriffs Department, as well as Peter’s family. Felber then asked defendant to leave and called 911 to report his concerns about defendant’s threats.

Christian Ginther, an emergency services specialist at Bay Arenac Behavioral Health, testified at the preliminary examination that his job involved answering the mental health crisis hotline. As part of his employment, and when not answering the crisis hotline phones, Ginther also “perform [ed] mental health evaluations on. . . individuals presenting for hospitalization.” Ginther testified that he was qualified to perform these tasks because he had a bachelor’s degree in social work. He also indicated that he was 10 months away from completing a master’s degree in social work. More testimony regarding Ginther’s credentials was elicited at the subsequent circuit court hearing on defendant’s motion to exclude the challenged evidence and to quash the information. At that motion hearing, Kristy Moore took the stand and testified that, at the time of the incident, she was employed by Bay Arenac Behavioral Health and managed the clinical services program. Moore stated that she had a master’s degree in social work and was a licensed social worker. Moore supervised Ginther, and she testified that Ginther’s licensing status when he received the call from defendant was as follows, “Limited license, Bachelor of social work.” Moore then discussed differences between limited and full licenses *97 with respect to social work and counseling. She agreed with the prosecutor’s characterization that a “limited license is kind of a temporary measure where you’ve got to obtain the full license.” Moore testified that Ginther was not a licensed physician, a licensed psychologist, a registered professional nurse, a master’s licensed social worker, a licensed professional counselor, nor a marriage or family therapist. We shall examine hereinafter additional testimony from Moore on other matters.

Returning to Ginther’s testimony at the preliminary examination, he indicated that defendant called the crisis hotline around 3:00 a.m. on August 14, 2013, and that he was on the phone with defendant for about 80 minutes. Ginther testified that defendant requested to speak with “Vanessa” from Crossroads who had told him to contact the hotline if he needed help after hours. 1 Defendant had seen Vanessa within the past day to address certain issues. The record was never developed in order to identify Vanessa’s last name, title, educational background, or licensing status.

Ginther next testified with respect to the substance of his conversation with defendant during the crisis hotline call, noting that defendant started off polite and agreeable but became more frustrated and angry toward the end of the conversation. We shall limit our discussion of the statements made by defendant to *98 Ginther to those related to threats of physical violence against identifiable third persons. Ginther testified that defendant was very upset about an ex-girlfriend and stated that he could see her down the scope of his gun. When Ginther told defendant, “you said you’re at home, I know you don’t see her through your gun,” defendant proceeded to list the types of guns that he had in his possession and expressed that he had ammunition. According to Ginther, defendant told him to call the police. Defendant threatened that he was “locked and loaded,” waiting for the “first badge” to arrive. Ginther testified that toward the end of the conversation, defendant was making comments about people being outside of his house and was becoming increasingly agitated. Ginther indicated that after he heard a loud bang, defendant stopped talking for a moment and it seemed as if defendant had gone outside to check something, but defendant did eventually return to the phone. Other testimony detailed later in this opinion established that the police had arrived at defendant’s home in response to Felber’s 911 call. Ginther claimed that he never told defendant that he was going to call the police or 911. Ginther quickly ended the conversation when defendant threatened Ginther, stating: “I’m gonna come up to the hospital, I know where you work, I know where that office is, I’m gonna shoot you, I’m gonna shoot your wife and your kids.”

Ginther testified that after he hung up the phone, he immediately called 911 for the following reason:

[AJnytime a person is expressing suicidal or homicidal allegations we go over in their HIPAA [2]

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