SPARKS, J. pro tem.
In appealing from the judgment defendant raises three assignments of error: (1) that the corpus delicti of the offenses charged was not proven to a moral certainty and beyond a reasonable doubt; (2) that the constitutional rights of defendant were infringed by the submission of the case on the transcript of testimony taken at the preliminary examination; and (3) that his constitutional rights were violated when law enforcement officers were permitted to take oral statements from him in the absence of counsel. We have examined each of these specifications and have concluded that number (3) thereof has substantial merit and requires a reversal of the cause by reason of the holdings in People v. Dorado, 62 Cal.2d 338 [42 Cal.Rptr. 169, 398 P.2d 361], and People v. Stewart, 62 Cal.2d 571 [43 Cal. Rptr. 201, 400 P.2d 97]. Since the ease may be retried, we state our views also on assignments (1) and (2). To make clear our conclusions a history of the facts and circumstances surrounding the commission of the crimes leading to defendant’s arrest and conviction will be related.
On December 24, 1962, a fire broke out on the rear porch of a two-story hotel and rooming house, frame construction, located at 699 El Camino Avenue, in North Sacramento. The porch contained some laundry trays, toilet, tub and a few articles of furniture and appliances. There was also a 5-gallon tin can used for disposal of papers, packages and other waste.
The fire was discovered by Owen J. MeKeel, the owner of the premises. It was his custom at intervals during the night to make routine inspections of his hotel. He had been on the back porch about 2:30 or 3 a.m. and found everything normal. About an hour later, when he reached the doorway [72]*72leading to the porch, he was driven hack by flames. The fire department was called and responded promptly to the alarm. Through its efforts the fire was controlled and extinguished in approximately an hour. Louis Cassaglia, Chief of the North Sacramento Fire Department, attended the fire personally and later investigated its origin. He testified that there was no evidence of storage of inflammable liquids in the area, that the electrical wiring was encased in conduit, that a gas heater was properly vented, and that neither the electrical wiring nor the gas heater had had any bearing on the fire; that the weather on the particular morning was cold, foggy and misty. It was his opinion that the chances of the fire being spontaneously ignited would have been one in a thousand, “if there was any chance at all.” Guy Donald Chapin, the chief building inspector of the city, also examined the premises after the fire. He testified that there was no indication that the fire was caused by defective wiring or improper gas vents or defective appliances of any sort.
The second fire occurred four days later on the premises of Mr. and Mrs. Heminger, at 591 Redwood Avenue, in North Sacramento, about 1 a.m. Mrs. Heminger had gone into the kitchen for a drink of water. Looking out the rear window she discovered that the garage was on fire. She awakened her husband. When he went outside the whole garage was on fire, and the firemen were already there. The garage was detached from the house. In it were stored miscellaneous articles of household furniture, garden tools, firewood and boxes of paper. There was no gasoline, kerosene, or anything of that nature in the garage. An electric light was operated by a switch. There were no gas appliances. A driveway from the street led to the garage which was located to the rear of the dwelling house. The garage doors were customarily left unlocked and one of them was left ajar.
Fire Chief Cassaglia, who also attended this fire, found the entire roof area and rear wall engulfed in flames when he arrived. He testified that the origin of the fire had to be in the rear of the building, and that there was no wiring in that end. He also testified: “[Tjhere is a fire I would personally discount as being able to start spontaneously. The materials that I found there and in analyzing the stored materials, nothing would lend itself towards spontaneous ignition.” At that early morning hour the weather was cold, damp and very foggy. The chief building inspector was also called to examine the premises after the fire and could find [73]*73no indication that the fire was caused by defective wiring or appliances of any sort.
The third fire charged against defendant was on the front porch of a dwelling occupied by Thomas J. McCallister, at 545 Eleanor Street, in North Sacramento. Like the preceding ones, this fire occurred in the early morning hours, around 3 or 3 :30 a.m. The date was January 7, 1963, and the weather was cold, damp and foggy. When Mr. McCallister discovered the fire at one end of the front porch, the flames were shooting up the front wall of his home. He called the fire department and then attempted to halt the spread of flame by using a garden hose. At the time he smelled something like paraffin burning. The firemen arrived in about 10 minutes and proceeded to extinguish the blaze. There had been a couch on the porch with two folded rugs on top and a polyethylene cover to keep off the rain. The couch had been pretty badly consumed by the fire, and the rugs were also burned on one end. The porch light and wiring were on the other end of the porch and were not involved in the fire. There was no gasoline, kerosene or other fuel on the porch. Warren Jones, the assistant fire chief, who investigated the fire and damage caused by it, found that it had originated at the extreme end of the porch where there was the greater charring or “alligatoring” of the wall. The porch floor had been completely burned through at that point. He testified that there was no gas line or electric wiring involved, and that there was no chance of the fire having been caused by spontaneous combustion. Again, the chief building inspector was called to examine the premises and could find no cause of fire attributable to defective wiring or appliances.
Two days subsequent to the last fire, that is, on January 9, 1963, the defendant, at the Sacramento County Jail, in an interview with Bill Deasy, an investigator employed by the Sacramento district attorney’s office, and John Riggs, a state parole agent, admitted that he had set all three of the fires. When asked for his reason, he said that “he builds up a lot of animosity towards people and that to relieve this animosity, it would be the same as somebody punching somebody in the face or kicking a dog.” A second confession, substantially the same as the first, although in somewhat more detail, was taken from the defendant on January 14, 1963, in the statement room of the district attorney’s office.
From this background of undisputed fact, we will consider first the challenged insufficiency of the evidence to establish [74]*74the corpus delicti of the crimes charged. Appellant argues that in order to prove the corpus delicti of arson, the burden was on the prosecution to negate all possible ways in which the fires could have been started other than by incendiary means. Although appellant concedes that the evidence did rule out three types of nonincendiary blazes, that is, spontaneous fires, electrical fires and those resulting from defective gas appliances, he nevertheless contends that there could have been other possible causes of the fires in question, such as mice igniting matches, a carelessly dropped cigarette, sparks from automobiles (exhaust), etc.
The proposition that it was incumbent on the prosecution to rule out all possible or imaginary causes of the fires cannot be upheld. It is well established that the corpus delicti of a crime is sufficiently proved if the elements of the offense as defined by statute are shown to exist. (People v. Clagg, 197 Cal.App.2d 209, 212 [17 Cal.Rptr. 60]; People v. Sherman, 97 Cal.App.2d 245, 249 [217 P.2d 715]; People v. Hays, 101 Cal.App.2d 305, 311 [225 P.2d 600].) When the requisite elements of the crime are established with sufficiently convincing proof, the corpus delicti is complete although the perpetrator may be unnamed. (People v. Cullen, 37 Cal.2d 614, 624 [234 P.2d 1]; People v. Amaya, 40 Cal.2d 70, 76 [251 P.2d 324].) In California the corpus delicti of a crime may be proved by circumstantial evidence and by the reasonable inferences which may be drawn therefrom. (People v. Ives, 17 Cal.2d 459, 463 [110 P.2d 408] ; People v. DuBois, 16 Cal.App.2d 81, 86 [60 P.2d 190]; People v. Black, 103 Cal.App.2d 69, 74 [229 P.2d 61] ; People v. Mercer, 103 Cal.App.2d 462, 465 [229 P.2d 411]; People v. Westfall, 198 Cal.App.2d 598, 601 [18 Cal.Rptr. 356].) This rule applies to arson cases (People v. Cape, 79 Cal.App.2d 284, 289 [179 P.2d 426] ; People v. Andrews, 222 Cal.App.2d 242 [35 Cal.Rptr. 118]; People v. Clagg, supra), and there is, of course, no distinction in the quantum of proof required between direct and circumstantial evidence, so long as the reasonable doubt requirement is satisfied. (People v. Kennedy, 101 Cal.App.2d 709 [226 P.2d 359] ; People v. Hubler, 102 Cal.App.2d 689 [228 P.2d 37].)
It is true that the statutory definition of arson (Pen. Code, § 447a)1 requires that the act of setting fire to or burning [75]*75be done maliciously. The word “malice” imports “a wish to vex, annoy, or injure another person, or an intent to do a wrongful act, ...” (Pen. Code, §7, subd. 4.) When related to the crime of arson, the word “malice” denotes nothing more than a deliberate and intentional firing of a building, or other defined structure, as contrasted with an accidental or unintentional ignition thereof; in short, a fire of incendiary origin. (People v. Clagg, supra; People v. Cape, supra.) Common experience reminds one that such crimes generally are committed in stealth, without warning and often under the cloak of darkness. It is not surprising then that perpetrators of such clandestine acts frequently escape detection by human eye. Were it not permissible legally to prove the corpus delicti by circumstantial evidence, the prosecution of such offenses often would be well-nigh a hopeless undertaking.
Once before, but under different circumstances, we were called upon in this same case to give our views as to the sufficiency of the evidence to establish the corpus delicti. We refer to the appeal by the State from a judgment dismissing the information under section 995 of the Penal Code. (People v. Andrews, 222 Cal.App.2d 242 [35 Cal.Rptr. 118].) The issue presented on that appeal was whether or not the evidence at the preliminary examination was sufficient to establish probable or reasonable cause of the commission of the crimes charged and of defendant’s guilt. The resolution of that issue depended entirely upon the question whether or not the corpus delicti had been proven sufficiently for the admission of defendant’s confession. We appreciate that the appellate viewpoint in the former proceeding was not the same as at present, and for that reason what was said therein cannot now be positioned as the “law of the case.”2
Nev[76]*76ertheless, since the instant cause was submitted by stipulation at the trial upon the transcript of the preliminary examination and no other evidence was introduced relating to the corpus delicti, we find the words of Mr. Presiding Justice Pierce in Andrews, supra, pertinent to, and aptly expressing our views on, the issues presently at bench (pp. 245-246) :
"In all of the four fires3 the usual causes of accidental fires —defective wiring, electrical or gas appliances, spontaneous combustion or careless (but not purposeful) ignition of flammable materials by others—all had been either absolutely ruled out or negated within the realm of reasonable probability. But more convincing were circumstances snapping the long arm of coincidence. Pour fires within the same neighborhood, close in point of date (all fires occurred within less than two weeks), closer in point of time of day (middle of the night), all started by an apparently similar method, cumulate to give to this circumstantial proof much more than prima facie veracity.
“We have authority for our assertion that the cumulative factor is an important one. In People v. Sherman, 97 Cal.App.2d 245, 249 [217 P.2d 715] (hearing by our Supreme Court denied) and People v. Hays, 101 Cal.App.2d 305, 311 [225 P.2d 600], this factor was given consideration, although in those cases separate fires were set on the same premises.
“In Witkin, California Evidence, section 113, subdivision (3), page 136, it is stated: ‘Circumstances which, taken singly, seem to afford no logical inference as to the issue, may when considered with other circumstances give rise to such an inference.’ ”
In conformity with these rules, there was no requirement that the whole gamut of speculative possibility as to the cause of the fires be run, and then each, in turn, be ruled out. The corpus delicti will be proven sufficiently if the evidence shows beyond a reasonable doubt that the fires were of incendiary origin. Even the rigid requirement of the reasonable doubt rule stops short of absolute certainty, free of some possible or imaginary doubt, for as has been so often said, “such degree of proof is rarely possible.” (CALJIC No. [77]*7722; People v. Eggers, 30 Cal.2d 676 [185 P.2d 1]; People v. Kennelly, 166 Cal.App.2d 261 [332 P.2d 733].)
There was no error in the holding that the corpus delicti of the offenses charged against defendant was sufficiently established in order to admit his confessions.
Appellant’s second point is based upon constitutional grounds. He contends that his right to be confronted by witnesses called against him was violated by the submission of the ease on the transcript of testimony taken at the preliminary examination. The record shows that this method of procedure was agreed upon in open court by stipulation of counsel in defendant’s presence. The actual words of the deputy district attorney and of defendant’s counsel were as follows: “Mr. Reagor: ... It is my understanding that Mr. McDonnell [defendant’s attorney] wishes to stipulate, as do I, that this matter be submitted to this Court on the basis of the Preliminary Hearing transcript, each side reserving the right to produce additional witnesses. Is that correct, Mr. McDonnell? Mr. McDonnell: Yes, with the further stipulation, of course, that it be understood that all objections raised by the Defense during the preliminary examination are, of course, raised for the purpose of this trial.... ’ ’
The stipulation was then accepted by the court, and the case proceeded without objection from the defendant. This method of procedure is not novel in California.4 In People v. Dessauer, 38 Cal.2d 547 [241 P.2d 238], cert. denied 344 U.S. 858 [73 S.Ct. 96, 97 L.Ed. 666], the court stated (p. 552) : “... The right to be confronted by witnesses, whether assured by Constitution or statute, may be waived, and a trial may be had on the transcript of the evidence taken at the preliminary hearing on stipulation by defendant and his counsel (People v. Wallin, 34 Cal.2d 777 [215 P.2d 1]), or by the latter’s stipulation, at least when made in defendant’s presence. [Citations.] ” In People v. Cohen, 94 Cal.App.2d 451 [210 P.2d 911], it is said (p. 457): “It appears to be well-established law that counsel has the right to stipulate relative to any of the steps of an action or proceeding, particularly where the stipulation was made in the presence of the accused [78]*78who made no objection to it. [Citations.] Moreover, it has been held that the right to be confronted by the witnesses against him is a personal privilege which may be waived by the accused, and such a waiver is accomplished when counsel for defendant stipulates that the evidence taken at the preliminary examination may be considered by the court as evidence at the trial. [Citation.] ” (See also People v. Donnelly, 95 Cal.App.2d 595, 597-598 [213 P.2d 502]; People v. Ethridge, 204 Cal.App.2d 279, 284 [22 Cal.Rptr. 57]; People v. Sola, 200 Cal.App.2d 593, 595 [19 Cal.Rptr. 327]; People v. Smyer, 177 Cal.App.2d 477, 478 [2 Cal.Rptr. 215] ; People v. Davis, 157 Cal.App.2d 33, 34 [320 P.2d 88]; People v. Heath, 131 Cal.App.2d 172, 174 [280 P.2d 70] ; People v. Anderson, 126 Cal.App.2d 702, 705 [272 P.2d 805]; People v. Hart, 121 Cal.App.2d 301, 302 [262 P.2d 865].) In People v. Valdez, 82 Cal.App.2d 744, at page 749 [187 P.2d 74], the court pointed out that the right of confrontation in its indispensable aspect was merely an application of the common-law rule against hearsay, and the constitutional right “is confined to the guaranty of an opportunity for the cross-examination of the witnesses against the defendant....” The actual presence of the witnesses at the trial is merely a statutory right under subdivision 3 of section 686 of the Penal Code5 and is subject to waiver. In the instant case the defendant was at the preliminary examination confronted by all the witnesses called against him, and his counsel was afforded the full right of cross-examination.
Appellant contends, however, that his right to be con[79]*79fronted by witnesses at the trial could only be waived by himself personally and not through his counsel. In advocating this proposition he attempts to equate the requirements of waiver of a jury trial. To this proposition the Attorney General in his respondent’s brief makes the following adequate answer: “... What appellant fails to recognize is that section 7 of article I of the California Constitution specifically provides that the waiver of a jury trial can only be made when there is ‘expressed in open court by the defendant and his counsel’ desire to waive a jury trial.”6 The eases relied upon by appellant, to wit: People v. De Blasio, 219 Cal.App.2d 767, 769 [33 Cal.Rptr. 473]; People v. Holmes, 54 Cal.2d 442 [5 Cal.Rptr. 871, 353 P.2d 583], acknowledge that the requirement of personal waiver of a jury trial emanates from the California Constitution. There is no similar provision in either the Constitution or statute regulating the procedure to be followed when preliminary examination transcripts are used at trials.
We hold, under the circumstances as shown here, that the stipulation of defendant’s counsel made in open court and in the presence and without objection from the defendant that the case be tried upon the transcript of testimony taken at the preliminary examination was a waiver by defendant of his right to be confronted by witnesses at the trial and constituted no violation of his constitutional rights.
The final contention urged by appellant is that his constitutional rights were infringed because in the absence of counsel he was interrogated by law enforcement officers and his confessions obtained. In his brief he relies upon the decisions in People v. Waterman, 9 N.Y.2d 561 [216 N.Y.S.2d 70, 175 N.E.2d 445], and Massiah v. United States (1964) 377 U.S. 201 [84 S.Ct. 1199, 12 L.Ed.2d 246], However, in the oral arguments consideration was given to the more recent holding of Escobedo v. Illinois (1964) 378 U.S. 478 [84 S.Ct. 1758, 12 L.Ed.2d 977], followed by the original opinion of our Supreme Court in People v. Dorado. Since then there has been filed the Supreme Court’s decision upon its rehearing of the Dorado case (62 Cal.2d 338 [42 Cal.Rptr. [80]*80169, 398 P.2d 361]), and still more recently the decision in People v. Stewart, 62 Cal.2d 571 [43 Cal.Rptr. 201, 400 P.2d 97], The holdings in Dorado and Stewart are controlling upon this appeal; the judgment in the instant case being under direct, rather then collateral, attack.7
In Escobedo it was held (p. 986, 12 L.Ed.2d) that where “the investigation is no longer a general inquiry into an unsolved crime but has begun to focus on a particular suspect, the suspect has been taken into police custody, the police carry out a process of interrogations that lends itself to eliciting incriminating statements, the suspect has requested and been denied an opportunity to consult with his lawyer, and the police have not effectively warned him of his absolute constitutional right to remain silent, the accused has been denied ‘the Assistance of Counsel’ in violation of the Sixth Amendment to the Constitution....” In Dorado our Supreme Court, speaking through Mr. Justice Tobriner, found prejudicial error in the admission of a confession under circumstances where it affirmatively was shown that the defendant had not been informed of his right to remain silent and also to have the assistance of a lawyer. The court held that the fact that the defendant had not asked for counsel would not of itself constitute a waiver. After quoting with approval the following language from Carnley v. Cochran, 369 U.S. 506, 513 [82 S.Ct. 884, 8 L.Ed.2d 70], “it is settled that where the assistance of counsel is a constitutional requisite, the right to be furnished counsel does not depend on a request,” our Supreme Court stated at page 351: “We cannot penalize a defendant who, not understanding his constitutional rights, does not make the formal request and by such failure demonstrates his helplessness. To require the request would be to favor the defendant whose sophistication or status had fortuitously prompted him to make it.” Holding that the facts of the Dorado case brought it squarely within the rule of Escobedo, the Supreme Court then enunciated the following four point rule (pp. 353-354) : “We conclude, then, that defendant’s confession could not properly be introduced into evidence because (1) the investigation was no longer a general inquiry into an unsolved crime but had begun to focus [81]*81on a particular suspect, (2) the suspect was in custody, (3) the authorities had carried out a process of interrogations that lent itself to eliciting incriminating statements, (4) the authorities had not effectively informed defendant of his right to counsel or of his absolute right to remain silent, and no evidence establishes that he had waived these rights(Italics supplied.)
In the case at bench the trial was had prior to the time of either the Escobedo or Dorado decisions. Two statements purporting to be confessions of the defendant were offered and received into evidence. Both appear to be oral summaries of conversations had with the defendant on two different occasions. No contest was made by the defendant to the introduction of the statements on any ground other than that the corpus delicti had not been established. No voir dire examination was had, although opportunity for the same was offered to defendant’s counsel at the trial and declined. Circumstances surrounding the giving of the statements were therefore not explored, probably because no claim was urged on behalf of the defendant that the confessions were not true, or that they had been obtained by coercion.
The crux of this portion of defendant’s appeal consists of the applicability of the four point rule of the Dorado case to the facts presented here.
The first of the two incriminating statements in question was obtained from the defendant on January 9, 1963, two days subsequent to the setting of the last fire with which he was charged. The circumstances surrounding the giving of the confession were related by Mr. Bill Deasy, a criminal investigator employed by the Sacramento district attorney’s office. Mr. Deasy testified as follows: “Q. [D]id you have occasion to see the defendant, Charles Allen Andrews? A. I did, in Sacramento County Jail. Q. Where in the jail, sir? A. In one of the interrogation rooms. Q. All right. And were you in the presence of anyone else at that time? A. Mr. John Riggs, a State Parole Agent. Q. All right. And now, did you have occasion to have a conversation with Mr. Andrews at that time ? A. I did. Q. And did either you or Mr. Riggs make him any promises? A. No promises were made to Mr. Andrews. Q. Did either one of you threaten him in any way? A. No threats were made. Q. And do you recall what the subject matter of the conversation was? A. At the time I talhed to Mr. Andrews, he was in custody for four fires supposedly started in North Sacramento, California. Our [82]*82conversation was about those four fires. Q. All right. And did he tell you anything with regard to the fires ? A. Charles Andrews? Q. Well, is your answer yes? A. Yes. Q. And you have already stated you- made no promises, you made him no threats? Was his statement to you regarding those fires free and voluntary? A. Yes, sir.” (Italics supplied.)
Following this foundational introduction, there being no voir dire examination, the witness then proceeded to relate the confession of the defendant that he had set all four of the fires in question. From the above record there can be no question as to the applicability of the first two points of the Dorado rule. It clearly appears that the defendant was in custody for the North Sacramento fires, and it appears equally clear that the investigation of the four fires, the first of which had occurred on December 25, 1962, was no longer a matter of general inquiry into an unsolved crime but had focused upon the defendant then in custody. In Stewart, supra, the Supreme Court on this point held that an arrest fulfills the first requirement of the Dorado Rule, and since an arrest includes “custody,” the second condition of said rule is also satisfied. The court stated on page 577: “We believe that the arrest encompasses two of the circumstances which produced the accusatory stages in the Escobedo and Dorado cases: (1) the investigation is no longer a general inquiry into an unsolved crime but has begun to focus on a particular suspect, and (2) the suspect is in custody.”
The third requirement of the rule concerns the carrying out by the authorities of a process of interrogation that lends itself to eliciting incriminating statements. In our opinion, the conditions imposed by this portion of the rule are squarely met, as shown by the record before us. The defendant, a prisoner in custody for setting the North Sacramento fires, was being interviewed in the interrogation room of the Sacramento County Jail by two representatives of the law. There was no court reporter, stenographer, or any person present. The interview between the two officers and the prisoner was entirely verbal and not recorded on any type of tape. Officer Deasy took written notes of what was said. According to his testimony a conversation was had between the defendant and the officers, the subject matter being “about those four fires.”
Officer Deasy did not purport to relate this conversation in haec verba. His testimony obviously consisted of a summarization of defendant’s incriminating answers, with little reference to what was said by the officers themselves. From the [83]*83record, however, we cannot conclude reasonably that the interview in the interrogation room was solely a monologue in which the defendant did the talking and the officers the listening. Officer Deasy testified that it was a “conversation,” a word which is ordinarily considered and in fact defined as an “oral interchange” of ideas and observations. (Webster’s New Internat. Diet. (2d ed. 1959).)
In light of all the circumstances, the conversation was essentially inquisitorial. As we have noted, supra, the law of arson requires a showing not merely that fires had been set but that the perpetrator acted maliciously. The vital element of the act, the sensitive portion thereof that distinguishes it and sets it apart as a crime, is the defendant’s intent. And on this crucial point the following was elicited from the defendant in the interrogation room: “Q. And now, what was stated when he told you the reason for doing this ? A. That was at the end of the interview, to the best of my recollection, yes. Q. Well, when you were asking about his reason, were you discussing all four of the fires? A. Yes, sir. Q. So that it was a matter of relieving animosity, the same as a person might kick a dog or punch somebody, that was his explanation? A. That’s correct.” (Italics supplied!)
So far as the record shows, the confession elicited by the officers on January 9th was the defendant’s first admission that he had set the fires in question. In this connection we are not permitted to indulge in speculation on matters about which the record sheds no enlightenment. We are not informed as to the circumstances of the investigation which led to and attended defendant’s arrest, nor what, if anything, occurred during his custody in the Sacramento County Jail prior to the interview with the officers. However, if the defendant had made incriminating statements spontaneously prior to the confession in question, there certainly appears no clue thereof in the record. In any event, our review is restricted to the record before us, and the inferences reasonably to be drawn therefrom.
We conclude that the accusatory stage described in Escobedo and Dorado, supra, matured in the instant ease when the defendant, without counsel, was interviewed by the two officers in the interrogation room of the Sacramento County Jail concerning the setting of the fires for which he then was in custody, and which interview not only lent itself to eliciting incriminating statements from the defendant but actually resulted in a full confession by him. No other theory of the [84]*84purpose of this conversation in the interrogation room can be gleaned from the record. We are convinced that every circumstance of fact and inference reasonably deducible therefrom proclaim its purpose, namely, the elicitation of incriminating statements from a suspect in custody.
We do not interpret the holdings in Dorado and Stewart to necessitate any preliminary showing that the interrogation of a suspect, without counsel, be sustained for any particular time in order to reach “the accusatory’’ stage spoken of. The requirement is simply that before an interrogation, the purpose of which is to elicit a confession, is undertaken the authorities must inform the suspect then in custody for a particular offense that he is entitled to have the assistance of counsel and to remain silent. The case of United States v. Konigsberg (3d Cir. 1964) 336 F.2d 844, discussed in Stewart, supra, presents no contrary implications. It posed a situation where a number of suspects were apprehended in a garage containing stolen goods. All of them were arrested by agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and taken to the bureau’s office for questioning. The court found from the evidence before it that the purpose of interrogation, even though it took place after the arrest, was not to elicit a confession but to give Konigsberg a chance to explain his presence in the garage, if he could: to hear Konigsberg’s side of the story. There is no evidence, uncontradicted or otherwise, in the record of the case we are reviewing which parallels Konigsberg.
The fact that an incriminating statement was given by the defendant freely and voluntarily certainly does not show fulfillment of Escobedo and Dorado requirements.8 The issue now being considered is whether or not the “newly formulated right to the assistance of counsel during police interrogation’’ (In re Lessard, 62 Cal.2d 497, 512 [42 Cal.Rptr. 583, 399 P.2d 39]) was protected properly. In People v. Stewart, supra, at page 581, it is stated: “. . . Until Escobedo and Dorado, however, the law of this state did not give an accused a right to counsel during prearraignment interrogations and therefore did not require that an accused be [85]*85advised of his rights to counsel and to remain silent if he had not otherwise waived those rights."
The first three conditions of the Escobedo and Dorado rule being applicable the defendant’s confession was inadmissible in the absence of a showing that he had been advised of his right to counsel and to remain silent.
The state urges that since the appellant failed to object to the admission of the confessions on constitutional grounds, he waives any right that he might have to present the point on appeal. In his brief the Attorney General says: “Unfortunately this record is silent in regard to whether or not the appellant was advised of his right to counsel. It certainly fails to reflect that he requested counsel. ’ ’
The same point was presented in Stewart, supra. In disposing of it, the court stated (p. 581) : “. . . We therefore cannot presume in the face of a silent record that the police informed defendant of his right to remain silent and of his right to counsel. [Citation.]
“. . . It follows that in order to establish a waiver of the right to the assistance of counsel the record must indicate that the defendant was advised of his right to counsel and to remain silent or that he knew of these rights and intelligently and knowingly waived them."
The record in our case parallels that of Stewart, i.e., it does not show that the defendant had been advised by the authorities of his constitutional rights, nor, by the same token, does it show that he was not so advised. On these points it is mute. However, Stewart holds that a mere negative record on the constitutional questions involved is not sufficient to insulate the confession from attack on appeal.
Thus far we have directed our comments to the first confession obtained from the defendant for the reason that the circumstances surrounding it would most likely be determinative as to the character of any subsequent statement. The record discloses that the second incriminating statement, upon which the judgment of conviction likewise was based, was obtained from the defendant on January 14, 1962, five days subsequent to the first confession. This second statement was made in the district attorney’s office in the presence of representatives of the prosecutor’s office. Although a tape recording was taken of the conversation, it was not offered in evidence. Instead Mr. Ben Bruno, a detective in the North Sacramento Police Department, verbally related the incriminating admissions of the defendant in connection with the North Sacra[86]*86mentó fires. There was no showing on the record that the defendant had been advised of his right to counsel or to remain silent. Nor was there any evidence of waiver. Therefore, what was said above in relation to the first confession of the defendant applies with greater pertinency to the second incriminating statement; for it scarcely can be contended that after a confession has been obtained authorities who arrange for a repetition of the inculpatory statement of a defendant in front of other witnesses, or who take a tape recording thereof, are not acting in an accusatory and adversary manner.
We hold, under the Dorado rule, that the admission in evidence of the defendant’s incriminating statements, under the circumstances shown here, constituted prejudicial error and requires reversal. (People v. Stewart, supra; People v. Curry, 232 Cal.App.2d 146 [42 Cal.Rptr. 513]; People v. Moore, 232 Cal.App.2d 317 [42 Cal.Rptr. 662].)
The judgment appealed from is reversed and the cause is remanded.
Friedman, J., concurred.
Betired judge of the superior court sitting under assignment by the Chairman of the Judicial Council.