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10 11 MARVIN S., ) Case No. 2:24-cv-03650-SP ) 12 Plaintiff, ) ) 13 v. ) MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ) ORDER 14 FRANK BISIGNANO, ) Commissioner of Social Security ) 15 Administration, ) ) 16 Defendant. ) ) 17 )
18 19 I. 20 INTRODUCTION 21 On May 2, 2024, plaintiff Marvin S. filed a complaint against defendant, the 22 Commissioner of the Social Security Administration (“Commissioner”), seeking a review 23 of a denial of an application for a period of disability and disability insurance benefits 24 (“DIB”). The parties have fully briefed the issues in dispute, and the court deems the 25 matter suitable for adjudication without oral argument. 26 Plaintiff presents two disputed issues for decision: (1) whether the administrative 27 law judge (“ALJ”) properly evaluated plaintiff’s subjective testimony regarding his sleep 28 1 difficulties; and (2) whether the ALJ improperly evaluated the lay testimony of plaintiff’s 2 friend. Plaintiff’s Brief (“P. Mem.”) at 4-13; see Defendant’s Brief (“D. Mem.”) at 2-10. 3 Having carefully studied the parties’ memoranda, the Administrative Record 4 (“AR”), and the decision of the administrative law judge, the court concludes that, as 5 detailed herein, the ALJ properly considered both plaintiff’s subjective testimony 6 regarding his sleep difficulties and the lay testimony. Consequently, the court affirms the 7 decision of the Commissioner denying benefits. 8 II. 9 FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND 10 Plaintiff was 42 years old on his alleged disability onset date, February 5, 2017. 11 AR at 107. Plaintiff has a bachelor’s degree in film production and has past relevant 12 work as an insurance office manager. AR at 80-81, 98-99. 13 On December 17, 2020, plaintiff filed an application for a period of disability and 14 DIB due to high blood pressure, epilepsy, mental health problems, sleep apnea, panic 15 attacks, insomnia, migraines, anxiety, depression, and multiple suicide attempts. AR at 16 108. The application was denied initially and upon reconsideration, after which plaintiff 17 filed a request for a hearing. AR at 107-26, 128-46, 194-95. 18 On April 26, 2022, plaintiff, represented by counsel, appeared and testified at a 19 hearing before the ALJ. AR at 76-106. The ALJ also heard testimony from Sandra 20 Fioretti, a vocational expert. AR at 98-104. On June 27, 2022, the ALJ denied plaintiff’s 21 claim for benefits. AR at 148-64. Plaintiff appealed the ALJ’s decision to the Appeals 22 Council, which reversed and remanded the matter to the ALJ. AR at 170-75, 274-76. 23 On September 20, 2023, plaintiff, still represented by counsel, again appeared and 24 testified at a hearing before the ALJ. AR at 45-75. The ALJ also heard testimony from 25 Scott Nielson, a vocation expert. AR at 68-72. On December 6, 2023, the ALJ again 26 denied plaintiff’s claim for benefits. AR at 23-37. 27 28 1 Applying the well-known five-step sequential evaluation process, the ALJ found, 2 at step one, that plaintiff had not engaged in substantial gainful activity from February 5, 3 2017, the alleged onset date, through December 31, 2022, the date last insured. AR at 26. 4 At step two, the ALJ found plaintiff suffered from the severe impairments of 5 epilepsy, anxiety, and depression. AR at 27. 6 At step three, the ALJ found plaintiff’s impairments, whether individually or in 7 combination, did not meet or medically equal one of the listed impairments set forth in 20 8 C.F.R. part 404, Subpart P, Appendix 1. AR at 28. 9 The ALJ then assessed plaintiff’s residual functional capacity (“RFC”), and 10 determined plaintiff could perform a full range of work at all exertional levels, with the 11 nonexertional limitations that plaintiff: cannot climb ladders, ropes, or scaffolds; cannot 12 have exposure to dangerous moving machinery or unprotected heights; is limited to 13 simple, routine tasks and simple work-related decisions; can occasionally manage 14 changes in his work setting; is limited to occasional decision-making; and can have 15 contact with supervisors and coworkers, but no contact with the general public. AR at 16 30. 17 The ALJ found, at step four, that plaintiff was unable to perform his past relevant 18 work as a manager of an insurance office. AR at 34-35. 19 At step five, the ALJ found there were jobs that existed in significant numbers in 20 the national economy that plaintiff could perform, including a cleaner II, lab equipment 21 cleaner, and hand packager. AR at 35-36. Consequently, the ALJ concluded plaintiff did 22 not suffer from a disability as defined by the Social Security Act. AR at 36. 23 Plaintiff filed a timely request for review of the ALJ’s decision, which the Appeals 24 Council denied. AR at 1-6. The ALJ’s decision stands as the final decision of the 25 Commissioner. 26 // 27 28 1 III. 2 STANDARD OF REVIEW 3 This court is empowered to review decisions by the Commissioner to deny 4 benefits. 42 U.S.C. § 405(g). The findings and decision of the Social Security 5 Administration must be upheld if they are free of legal error and supported by substantial 6 evidence. Mayes v. Massanari, 276 F.3d 453, 458-59 (9th Cir. 2001) (as amended). But 7 if the court determines the ALJ’s findings are based on legal error or are not supported by 8 substantial evidence in the record, the court may reject the findings and set aside the 9 decision to deny benefits. Aukland v. Massanari, 257 F.3d 1033, 1035 (9th Cir. 2001); 10 Tonapetyan v. Halter, 242 F.3d 1144, 1147 (9th Cir. 2001). 11 “Substantial evidence is more than a mere scintilla, but less than a preponderance.” 12 Aukland, 257 F.3d at 1035. Substantial evidence is such “relevant evidence which a 13 reasonable person might accept as adequate to support a conclusion.” Reddick v. Chater, 14 157 F.3d 715, 720 (9th Cir. 1998); Mayes, 276 F.3d at 459. To determine whether 15 substantial evidence supports the ALJ’s finding, the reviewing court must review the 16 administrative record as a whole, “weighing both the evidence that supports and the 17 evidence that detracts from the ALJ’s conclusion.” Mayes, 276 F.3d at 459. The ALJ’s 18 decision “‘cannot be affirmed simply by isolating a specific quantum of supporting 19 evidence.’” Aukland, 257 F.3d at 1035 (quoting Sousa v. Callahan, 143 F.3d 1240, 1243 20 (9th Cir. 1998)). If the evidence can reasonably support either affirming or reversing the 21 ALJ’s decision, the reviewing court “‘may not substitute its judgment for that of the 22 ALJ.’” Id. (quoting Matney v. Sullivan, 981 F.2d 1016, 1018 (9th Cir. 1992)). 23 IV. 24 DISCUSSION 25 A. The ALJ Properly Considered Plaintiff’s Testimony Regarding His Sleep 26 Problems 27 Plaintiff argues the ALJ improperly rejected his subjective symptom testimony. 28 P. Mem. at 4-9. Specifically, plaintiff contends the ALJ failed to adequately discuss his 1 sleep testimony and failed to provide clear and convincing reasons to reject his testimony 2 regarding his sleep difficulties. Id.
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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT 9 CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
10 11 MARVIN S., ) Case No. 2:24-cv-03650-SP ) 12 Plaintiff, ) ) 13 v. ) MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ) ORDER 14 FRANK BISIGNANO, ) Commissioner of Social Security ) 15 Administration, ) ) 16 Defendant. ) ) 17 )
18 19 I. 20 INTRODUCTION 21 On May 2, 2024, plaintiff Marvin S. filed a complaint against defendant, the 22 Commissioner of the Social Security Administration (“Commissioner”), seeking a review 23 of a denial of an application for a period of disability and disability insurance benefits 24 (“DIB”). The parties have fully briefed the issues in dispute, and the court deems the 25 matter suitable for adjudication without oral argument. 26 Plaintiff presents two disputed issues for decision: (1) whether the administrative 27 law judge (“ALJ”) properly evaluated plaintiff’s subjective testimony regarding his sleep 28 1 difficulties; and (2) whether the ALJ improperly evaluated the lay testimony of plaintiff’s 2 friend. Plaintiff’s Brief (“P. Mem.”) at 4-13; see Defendant’s Brief (“D. Mem.”) at 2-10. 3 Having carefully studied the parties’ memoranda, the Administrative Record 4 (“AR”), and the decision of the administrative law judge, the court concludes that, as 5 detailed herein, the ALJ properly considered both plaintiff’s subjective testimony 6 regarding his sleep difficulties and the lay testimony. Consequently, the court affirms the 7 decision of the Commissioner denying benefits. 8 II. 9 FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND 10 Plaintiff was 42 years old on his alleged disability onset date, February 5, 2017. 11 AR at 107. Plaintiff has a bachelor’s degree in film production and has past relevant 12 work as an insurance office manager. AR at 80-81, 98-99. 13 On December 17, 2020, plaintiff filed an application for a period of disability and 14 DIB due to high blood pressure, epilepsy, mental health problems, sleep apnea, panic 15 attacks, insomnia, migraines, anxiety, depression, and multiple suicide attempts. AR at 16 108. The application was denied initially and upon reconsideration, after which plaintiff 17 filed a request for a hearing. AR at 107-26, 128-46, 194-95. 18 On April 26, 2022, plaintiff, represented by counsel, appeared and testified at a 19 hearing before the ALJ. AR at 76-106. The ALJ also heard testimony from Sandra 20 Fioretti, a vocational expert. AR at 98-104. On June 27, 2022, the ALJ denied plaintiff’s 21 claim for benefits. AR at 148-64. Plaintiff appealed the ALJ’s decision to the Appeals 22 Council, which reversed and remanded the matter to the ALJ. AR at 170-75, 274-76. 23 On September 20, 2023, plaintiff, still represented by counsel, again appeared and 24 testified at a hearing before the ALJ. AR at 45-75. The ALJ also heard testimony from 25 Scott Nielson, a vocation expert. AR at 68-72. On December 6, 2023, the ALJ again 26 denied plaintiff’s claim for benefits. AR at 23-37. 27 28 1 Applying the well-known five-step sequential evaluation process, the ALJ found, 2 at step one, that plaintiff had not engaged in substantial gainful activity from February 5, 3 2017, the alleged onset date, through December 31, 2022, the date last insured. AR at 26. 4 At step two, the ALJ found plaintiff suffered from the severe impairments of 5 epilepsy, anxiety, and depression. AR at 27. 6 At step three, the ALJ found plaintiff’s impairments, whether individually or in 7 combination, did not meet or medically equal one of the listed impairments set forth in 20 8 C.F.R. part 404, Subpart P, Appendix 1. AR at 28. 9 The ALJ then assessed plaintiff’s residual functional capacity (“RFC”), and 10 determined plaintiff could perform a full range of work at all exertional levels, with the 11 nonexertional limitations that plaintiff: cannot climb ladders, ropes, or scaffolds; cannot 12 have exposure to dangerous moving machinery or unprotected heights; is limited to 13 simple, routine tasks and simple work-related decisions; can occasionally manage 14 changes in his work setting; is limited to occasional decision-making; and can have 15 contact with supervisors and coworkers, but no contact with the general public. AR at 16 30. 17 The ALJ found, at step four, that plaintiff was unable to perform his past relevant 18 work as a manager of an insurance office. AR at 34-35. 19 At step five, the ALJ found there were jobs that existed in significant numbers in 20 the national economy that plaintiff could perform, including a cleaner II, lab equipment 21 cleaner, and hand packager. AR at 35-36. Consequently, the ALJ concluded plaintiff did 22 not suffer from a disability as defined by the Social Security Act. AR at 36. 23 Plaintiff filed a timely request for review of the ALJ’s decision, which the Appeals 24 Council denied. AR at 1-6. The ALJ’s decision stands as the final decision of the 25 Commissioner. 26 // 27 28 1 III. 2 STANDARD OF REVIEW 3 This court is empowered to review decisions by the Commissioner to deny 4 benefits. 42 U.S.C. § 405(g). The findings and decision of the Social Security 5 Administration must be upheld if they are free of legal error and supported by substantial 6 evidence. Mayes v. Massanari, 276 F.3d 453, 458-59 (9th Cir. 2001) (as amended). But 7 if the court determines the ALJ’s findings are based on legal error or are not supported by 8 substantial evidence in the record, the court may reject the findings and set aside the 9 decision to deny benefits. Aukland v. Massanari, 257 F.3d 1033, 1035 (9th Cir. 2001); 10 Tonapetyan v. Halter, 242 F.3d 1144, 1147 (9th Cir. 2001). 11 “Substantial evidence is more than a mere scintilla, but less than a preponderance.” 12 Aukland, 257 F.3d at 1035. Substantial evidence is such “relevant evidence which a 13 reasonable person might accept as adequate to support a conclusion.” Reddick v. Chater, 14 157 F.3d 715, 720 (9th Cir. 1998); Mayes, 276 F.3d at 459. To determine whether 15 substantial evidence supports the ALJ’s finding, the reviewing court must review the 16 administrative record as a whole, “weighing both the evidence that supports and the 17 evidence that detracts from the ALJ’s conclusion.” Mayes, 276 F.3d at 459. The ALJ’s 18 decision “‘cannot be affirmed simply by isolating a specific quantum of supporting 19 evidence.’” Aukland, 257 F.3d at 1035 (quoting Sousa v. Callahan, 143 F.3d 1240, 1243 20 (9th Cir. 1998)). If the evidence can reasonably support either affirming or reversing the 21 ALJ’s decision, the reviewing court “‘may not substitute its judgment for that of the 22 ALJ.’” Id. (quoting Matney v. Sullivan, 981 F.2d 1016, 1018 (9th Cir. 1992)). 23 IV. 24 DISCUSSION 25 A. The ALJ Properly Considered Plaintiff’s Testimony Regarding His Sleep 26 Problems 27 Plaintiff argues the ALJ improperly rejected his subjective symptom testimony. 28 P. Mem. at 4-9. Specifically, plaintiff contends the ALJ failed to adequately discuss his 1 sleep testimony and failed to provide clear and convincing reasons to reject his testimony 2 regarding his sleep difficulties. Id. 3 The court looks to Social Security Ruling (“SSR”) 16-3p for guidance on 4 evaluating plaintiff’s alleged symptoms.1 In adopting SSR 16-3p, the Social Security 5 Administration sought to “clarify that subjective symptom evaluation is not an 6 examination of an individual’s character.” SSR 16-3p, 2017 WL 5180304, at *2 (Oct. 7 25, 2017). 8 [SSR 16-3p] makes clear what our precedent already required: that 9 assessments of an individual’s testimony by an ALJ are designed to evaluate 10 the intensity and persistence of symptoms after the ALJ finds that the 11 individual has a medically determinable impairment(s) that could reasonably 12 be expected to produce those symptoms, and not to delve into wide-ranging 13 scrutiny of the claimant’s character and apparent truthfulness. 14 Trevizo v. Berryhill, 871 F.3d 664, 678 n.5 (9th Cir. 2017) (cleaned up). 15 To evaluate a claimant’s symptom testimony, the ALJ engages in a two-step 16 analysis. Christine G. v. Saul, 402 F. Supp. 3d 913, 921 (C.D. Cal. 2019) (citing Trevizo, 17 871 F.3d at 678). First, the ALJ must determine whether the claimant produced objective 18 medical evidence of an underlying impairment that could reasonably be expected to 19 produce the symptoms alleged. Id. Second, if the claimant satisfies the first step and 20 there is no evidence of malingering, the ALJ must evaluate the intensity and persistence 21 of the claimant’s symptoms and determine the extent to which they limit his ability to 22 perform work-related activities. Id. 23
24 1 “The Commissioner issues Social Security Rulings to clarify the Act’s 25 implementing regulations and the agency’s policies. SSRs are binding on all components of the SSA. SSRs do not have the force of law. However, because they represent the 26 Commissioner’s interpretation of the agency’s regulations, we give them some deference. 27 We will not defer to SSRs if they are inconsistent with the statute or regulations.” Holohan v. Massanari, 246 F.3d 1195, 1202 n.1 (9th Cir. 2001) (internal citations 28 omitted). 1 In assessing intensity and persistence, the ALJ may consider: the claimant’s daily 2 activities; the location, duration, frequency, and intensity of the symptoms; precipitating 3 and aggravating factors; the type, dosage, effectiveness, and side effects of medication 4 taken to alleviate the symptoms; other treatment received; other measures used to relieve 5 the symptoms; and other factors concerning the claimant’s functional limitations and 6 restrictions due to the symptoms. Id. (citing 20 C.F.R. § 416.929); SSR 16-3p at *4; 7 Smolen v. Charter, 80 F.3d 1273, 1284 (9th Cir. 1996). To reject the claimant’s 8 subjective symptom statements at step two, the ALJ must provide “specific, clear, and 9 convincing” reasons, supported by substantial evidence in the record, for doing so. 10 Burrell v. Colvin, 775 F.3d 1133, 1136-37 (9th Cir. 2014); Smolen, 80 F.3d at 1281, 11 1283-84. 12 Here, at the first step, the ALJ found plaintiff’s medically determinable 13 impairments could reasonably be expected to cause plaintiff’s alleged symptoms. AR at 14 32. At the second step, the ALJ concluded plaintiff’s statements about the intensity, 15 persistence, and limiting effects of his symptoms were “inconsistent with the claimant’s 16 treatment regimen, the objective clinical findings, and the claimant’s activities of daily 17 living.” Id. 18 Although the ALJ provided a detailed explanation of her reasons for discounting 19 much of plaintiff’s testimony, plaintiff focuses only on the ALJ’s rejection of his 20 testimony regarding his difficulty sleeping. See AR at 32-33; P. Mem. at 4-13. In her 21 discussion of how she arrived at plaintiff’s RFC, the ALJ recounts plaintiff’s testimony 22 regarding his sleep problems and fatigue, but does so mainly as part of her evaluation of 23 all of plaintiff’s mental impairments. AR at 32-33. Plaintiff argues the ALJ’s limited 24 statements about plaintiff’s sleep difficulties fail to provide “any articulations what so 25 ever” as to how his sleep testimony was unsupported by the evidence of the record. P. 26 Mem. at 5-6. But plaintiff disregards the ALJ’s discussion of plaintiff’s sleep problems 27 elsewhere in the decision, and the court finds the ALJ’s explanation is sufficiently clear 28 for the court to evaluate. The question is the extent to which the three reasons stated by 1 the ALJ for discounting plaintiff’s testimony in general apply to his testimony about his 2 sleep difficulties, and whether those reasons are clear and convincing. 3 1. Inconsistency With Plaintiff’s Treatment Regimen 4 The ALJ first reasoned plaintiff’s testimony was inconsistent with his treatment 5 regimen. AR at 32-33. “[E]vidence of ‘conservative treatment’ is sufficient to discount a 6 claimant’s testimony regarding severity of an impairment.” Parra v. Astrue, 481 F.3d 7 742, 751 (9th Cir. 2007). Moreover, a plaintiff’s “lack of compliance with his treatment 8 suggests [his] symptoms may not have been as limiting as []he alleged.” Busby v. 9 Berryhill, 2018 WL 1806183, at *10 (E.D. Cal. Apr. 17, 2018); see also Cohn v. 10 Berryhill, 2017 WL 4772398, at *4 (C.D. Cal. Oct. 20, 2017) (holding plaintiff’s 11 “unexplained failures to take prescribed . . . medication on a regular basis” constitutes a 12 clear and convincing reason to discount his testimony). 13 Although the ALJ does not discuss plaintiff’s treatments for his sleep difficulties 14 when examining his testimony during the RFC discussion, the ALJ did discuss plaintiff’s 15 treatment for sleep apnea at step two. AR at 27. The ALJ states plaintiff’s sleep apnea 16 was “treated conservatively,” with a prescription for a continuous positive airway 17 pressure (“CPAP”) machine, but noted plaintiff was inconsistent in his use of the CPAP. 18 Id. Indeed, several medical notes dating back to May 2021 state plaintiff indicated he 19 was not using his CPAP as prescribed. See e.g. AR at 1214, 3154, 3216, 3222, 3246, 20 3260. The ALJ found plaintiff’s failure to make use of a device intended to help him 21 sleep was “inconsistent with the severity of his allegations.” AR at 27. Thus, plaintiff’s 22 noncompliance with his conservative sleep apnea treatment regimen constitutes a clear 23 and convincing reason to discount his testimony regarding the severity of his sleep 24 problems. 25 2. Inconsistency With the Objective Clinical Findings 26 The ALJ next reasoned plaintiff’s subjective symptom testimony is inconsistent 27 with the objective clinical findings contained in plaintiff’s medical records. AR at 32; 28 1 see Smartt v. Kijakazi, 53 F.4th 489, 498 (9th Cir. 2022) (inconsistency with the medical 2 evidence may undercut a claimant’s testimony). 3 Here, the ALJ again did not discuss the discrepancies between plaintiff’s testimony 4 and the objective medical evidence in her RFC discussion, but did discuss these 5 differences in her evaluation of plaintiff’s sleep difficulties at step two. See AR at 27. In 6 considering the severity of plaintiff’s sleep apnea, the ALJ pointed to plaintiff’s records 7 that indicated his “[p]hysical examinations revealed no focal deficits and were largely 8 within normal limits.” AR at 27. Indeed, plaintiff’s medical records consistently report 9 plaintiff was alert and oriented to his surroundings and lacked any focal neurological 10 deficits. See e.g., AR at 710, 744, 1243, 1382, 1532, 1591, 1605, 1715, 1843, 1921, 11 2881, 2936, 3373. Nevertheless, the ALJ also recognized plaintiff’s scores on the 12 Epworth Sleepiness Scale, which ranged from 16 to 22 out of a possible 24. AR at 27; 13 see AR at 2510, 2518, 2692. Moreover, at least one physician stated plaintiff suffers 14 from “very severe excessive daytime sleepiness which is not due to sleep apnea.” AR at 15 2501. 16 It is not clear to the court that a general orientation to one’s surroundings or a lack 17 of focal neurological deficits are necessarily inconsistent with plaintiff’s claims of fatigue 18 and sleepiness. Given plaintiff’s consistently high scores on the Epworth Sleepiness 19 Scale and persistent reports of difficulty sleeping (see e.g., AR at 1669, 1703, 2588, 20 2655, 3246), the court concludes his testimony was not inconsistent with the objective 21 medical evidence. Accordingly, this was not a clear and convincing reason to discount 22 his subjective symptom testimony. 23 3. Inconsistency With Plaintiff’s Activities of Daily Living 24 Lastly, the ALJ found plaintiff’s activities of daily living were inconsistent with his 25 reported symptoms generally. AR at 32-33. Inconsistency between a claimant’s alleged 26 symptoms and his daily activities may be a clear and convincing reason to find a claimant 27 less credible. Tommasetti v. Astrue, 533 F.3d 1035, 1039 (9th Cir. 2008); Bunnell v. 28 Sullivan, 947 F.2d 341, 346 (9th Cir. 1991). 1 With respect to plaintiff’s non-physical impairments, the ALJ noted several of 2 plaintiff’s daily activities, including shopping, using public transportation, and managing 3 property, and concluded these activities were inconsistent with plaintiff’s reports of 4 extreme anxiety. AR at 33. But the ALJ nowhere stated these activities were 5 inconsistent with plaintiff’s testimony regarding his difficulty sleeping. Accordingly, it 6 does not appear the ALJ relied on plaintiff’s daily activities as a reason to reject his 7 testimony regarding his difficulty sleeping. 8 In sum, the ALJ put forth two reasons for discounting plaintiff’s subjective 9 symptom testimony regarding his sleep issues. One of these, the objective medical 10 evidence, was not entirely clear and convincing. But the other reason the ALJ gave – 11 plaintiff’s non-compliance with his prescribed treatment – was a clear and convincing 12 reason to discount his testimony regarding the severity of his sleep problems. 13 Particularly in the context of the ALJ’s overall evaluation of plaintiff’s subjective 14 symptom testimony, this was sufficient to show the ALJ properly considered plaintiff’s 15 testimony regarding his sleep problems. Thus, the ALJ properly evaluated plaintiff’s 16 subjective symptom testimony. 17 B. The ALJ Properly Considered the Lay Testimony of Paulie Aguila 18 Plaintiff also argues the ALJ failed to properly consider the Third-Party Function 19 Report submitted by his friend, Paulie Aguila. P. Mem. at 9-13. Plaintiff argues the ALJ 20 erred by failing to provide “any sufficient rationale to reject the lay evidence.” Id. at 13. 21 Lay witness testimony falls in the category of “evidence from nonmedical 22 sources,” which ALJs consider. See 20 C.F.R. § 404.1513(a)(4). Under the prior 23 regulations, ALJs could only discount the testimony of lay witnesses by providing 24 specific “reasons that are germane to each witness.” Dodrill v. Shalala, 12 F.3d 915, 919 25 (9th Cir. 1993). But the Social Security Administration revised its regulations for all 26 claims filed on or after March 27, 2017. These revised regulations require ALJs to 27 consider lay evidence, but do not require ALJs to articulate how they considered the 28 evidence using the same criteria as for medical sources. 20 C.F.R. § 404.1520c(d) (“We 1 are not required to articulate how we considered evidence from nonmedical sources using 2 the requirements in paragraphs (a)-(c) in this section.”). 3 It remains an unsettled question as to whether or not the “germane reasons” 4 standard survived the enactment of the revised regulations. One unpublished Ninth 5 Circuit decision notes “[i]t is an open question whether ALJs are still required to consider 6 lay witness evidence under the revised regulations, although it is clear they are no longer 7 required to articulate it in their decisions.” Fryer v. Kijakazi, 2022 WL 17958630, at *3 8 n.1 (9th Cir. Dec. 27, 2022). But another unpublished Ninth Circuit opinion decided after 9 Fryer suggested the previous and more demanding “germane reasons” standard may still 10 apply. See Stephens v. Kijakazi, 2023 WL 6937296, at *2 (9th Cir. Oct. 20, 2023) (“We 11 have not yet addressed whether under the new regulations an ALJ is still required to 12 provide germane reasons for discounting lay witnesses.”). Earlier this year it seemed the 13 Ninth Circuit had resolved the question in Hudnall v. Dudek, 130 F.4th 668 (9th Cir. 14 2025); however, the Ninth Circuit withdrew and vacated that decision shortly after 15 issuing it. Hudnall v. Dukek, 133 F.4th 968 (9th Cir. 2025). 16 Here, even if the germane reasons standard survives, the ALJ did not err. The ALJ 17 noted the Third-Party Adult Function Report completed by plaintiff’s friend Aguila was 18 “consistent with” the information provided by plaintiff himself. AR at 31. The ALJ also 19 recognized that Aguila provided additional information regarding plaintiff’s daily 20 activities, which the ALJ stated she took into account in assessing plaintiff’s RFC. Id. 21 But plaintiff contends the ALJ plainly rejected at least one aspect of Aguila’s report, 22 namely, Aguila’s concluding remark that he “think[s] [plaintiff needs around that clock 23 care.” P. Mem. At 10; AR at 466. This opinion by Aguilar follows his observations that 24 plaintiff has difficulty holding conversations, always complains about his migraines, and 25 wants to be around people just in case he has a seizure. Id. 26 As the ALJ noted, Aguilar’s report is largely consistent with plaintiff’s own report, 27 including plaintiff’s reports of his constant anxiety that he may have a seizure and that it 28 is hard for him to have long conversations. Compare AR at 459-66 with AR at 471-80. 1 || Although the ALJ did not expressly state that she discounted Aguila’s Third Party 2 || Function Report, because the ALJ gave clear and convincing reasons for discounting 3 || plaintiffs testimony and Aguila’s statements were largely similar to plaintiff's, the ALJ’s 4 ||reasons for discounting plaintiffs testimony would apply equally to Aguila’s report. See 5 || Valentine v. Comm’r Social Sec. Admin., 574 F.3d 685, 694 (9th Cir. 2009) (where ALJ 6 || gave clear and convincing reasons to reject plaintiffs testimony, “it follows that the ALJ 7 ||also gave germane reasons” for rejecting similar lay testimony). Aguila’s offered opinion 8 || that plaintiff needs around the clock care essentially follows from his other observations 9 ||in his Third Party Function Report regarding plaintiff's daily activities and mental state 10 overlap with plaintiff's own testimony. To the extent plaintiff suggests Aguila’s 11 || opinion that plaintiff needs around the clock care is something more than that — namely, a 12 medical opinion that plaintiff actually requires such care — that is not competent lay 13 || testimony the ALJ was required to consider. See Nguyen v. Chater, 100 F.3d 1462, 1467 14 || (9th Cir. 1996) (lay witnesses may testify to a claimant’s symptoms, but “medical 15 diagnoses are beyond the competence of lay witnesses and therefore do not constitute 16 ||competent evidence’). 17 For these reasons, the ALJ did not err with respect to the evaluation of Paulie 18 || Aguila’s lay testimony. 19 V. 20 CONCLUSION 21 IT IS THEREFORE ORDERED that Judgment shall be entered AFFIRMING the 22 || decision of the Commissioner denying benefits, and dismissing the complaint with 23 || prejudice. 24 25 ||Dated: September 29, 2025 LRP 26 SN 07 SHERI PYM 38 United States Magistrate Judge