Campbell, C. J.
This was a suit brought to recover damages suffered by plaintiff in the same transaction that resulted in the death of his father, on behalf of whose estate a recovery was had, affirmed by division of this Oourt in the case of Klanowski v. Grand Trunk Ry. Co., 57 Mich. 525. In the present case some new facts were brought out, and the record presents some questions not fully developed before. Plaintiff recovered damages. It will not be necessary to give many details, as they would be to some extent a repetition of the old decision.
We observe that all of the counts in the declaration in this cause lay the injury as done at the crossing of Chene street, and lay the duties in reference to that crossing. The occurrence was not at that crossing, but at one north-east of it, on the Miller road. The briefs do not lay stress upon this variance, which is a very serious one. If the declaration is printed according to the original record, it is plain enough that it cannot maintain the verdict, as an error assigned is that the plaintiff could not recover on the showing. As, in our opinion, a new trial must be granted on other grounds, we make no further allusion to it.
The facts, as presented for plaintiff, though controverted in many respects in important details, are, in substance, these:
On June 23, 1883, at a little after 9 o’clock in the evening, 'the Grand Trunk Railway train, approaching from the northeast, struck a two-horse wagon in which plaintiff and his [282]*282father were sitting; the locomotive hitting it in the forepart, and throwing out the persons in it, killing the father and severely injuring the plaintiff. This was on Miller street or road, which at that place was crossed by the railroad at an angle of about 35 degrees. Chene street runs at right angles-with the Miller road, which it crosses about 10 rods northerly from the railroad track, and the Ohene-street railroad crossing is not far from 20 rods distant from the place of the accident. Plaintiff lived on Chene street, according to the map-in evidence, about 30 rods south of the railroad. Some of the testimony, which is vague, puts it further. About 135-rods along the railroad from the place of the accident, northeasterly, is a crossing on the Conet road, known as the Bigelow crossing. This Oonet road is nearly parallel with Chene street, and crosses the Miller road some 80 rods, or thereabouts, southerly from the railroad.
That afternoon plaintiff had walked up Chene street to the railroad, and along the track to the Miller crossing, and then followed the Miller road to the Conet road, and along that road, across the railroad, to a place where his father was at work plowing. In the edge of the evening they left the field, in a wagon drawn by two horses, and followed down the Conet toad to the Miller road, and then turned into that, and drove in the direction of the railroad and Chene street. They stopped at Miller’s house, about 30 rods from the railroad, and not far from three-quarters of a mile from the field, along the road they traveled. The father went into Miller’s, and stayed there a good while, the precise time not being fixed. He came out again, and got into the wagon, which the boy was driving, and they started up the road on a walk. The witnesses put the time not far from a quarter past 9. The boy, who was about 14 years old, sat at the right side of his-father, on a board seat laid across the wagon. The train from Port Huron was a few minutes past due, and running about 40 miles an hour, or a little more. The Miller road [283]*283was rather lower than the highest part of the railroad track, and began to rise when it approached the track, and crossed' the railroad ditch on a plank bridge, which was laid diagonally along the direction of Miller street, and was, as claimed by plaintiff, about eight or nine feet long.
Plaintiff says that when he came opposite the telegraph-pole, which is not exactly located, but seems to have been near the intersection of the Miller road with the railroad, he stopped and listened, but heard no noise and saw no light-lie then drove on, and paid no further attention to anything but his driving. The horses were on the track, and apparently just over it, or nearly so, when the locomotive struck the team and wagon.
The plaintiff’s claim is that he was careful, and not negligent, and that defendant was negligent in omitting the statutory signals, and in running too fast. Defendant denies-its own fault, and claims that plaintiff was careless himself. No specific neglect is charged, except omitting the statutory, signals. One of the counts puts the speed at 40 miles, and perhaps it charges inferentially that this was too fast.
On the trial, and in this Court, considerable stress was-laid on the fault of the railroad in leaving a growth of' bushes on its right of way in and beside the ditch, tending, as claimed, to obscure the view of the road. There was evidence that there was a growth of bushes along that part of the Miller road further than the telegraph pole. There was-a conflict of testimony concerning the bushes near the track, and concerning their height. Plaintiff represented that he saw the dim outline of those bushes between him and the-railroad when he stopped to listen. There was positive testimony on the other side, and some on his side, not consistent with any such difficulty. He testified he did not hear or see anything indicating the approach of the train. There was testimony of witnesses on both sides, of several persons who-were near by, who both heard and saw the train plainly.. [284]*284"There was positive testimony that all the proper signals were given. There was testimony, on the other hand, of persons who did not hear all the requisite signals.
Upon the two main issues, namely, defendant’s carelessness .and plaintiff’s care, the conflict of facts is alleged to have •existed.
All of the testimony concerning plaintiff’s own conduct is what he says himself. There is some further testimony intended to supplement it by showing the surroundings.
In dealing with the question of plaintiff’s care, less attention was given than should have been to the fact that plaintiff’s father was with him, and more or less familiar with the neighborhood. It is certainly remarkable that neither of them discovered what was seen and heard by so many others. There ean be no doubt that when they reached the bridge crossing, if plaintiff had gone to his horses’ heads, and looked up the track, he could not have failed to see the train, whether he could have heard it or not; and with two in the wagon, if both had their wits' about them, there should have been no difficulty in taking the necessary observations. It is very difficult to distinguish the case from many which appear in the reports where persons approach crossings with stolid indifference, and are injured by trains passing. Except the one stop near the telegraph pole, no attention seems to have been given to the situation. It is not necessary to the ■decision of this case to determine — and in the absence of • some explanations which the jury may have had, and we have not in a sufficiently tangible shape, we cannot fully determine — whether there was not evidence enough of care to go to the jury. It is evident the jury gave plaintiff the benefit ■ of all the doubts.
Objection was made to the testimony of Mr. Yoelkner, who represents plaintiff in this suit, and gave an account of some ■ experiments he made under what he supposed to be similar • circumstances.
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Campbell, C. J.
This was a suit brought to recover damages suffered by plaintiff in the same transaction that resulted in the death of his father, on behalf of whose estate a recovery was had, affirmed by division of this Oourt in the case of Klanowski v. Grand Trunk Ry. Co., 57 Mich. 525. In the present case some new facts were brought out, and the record presents some questions not fully developed before. Plaintiff recovered damages. It will not be necessary to give many details, as they would be to some extent a repetition of the old decision.
We observe that all of the counts in the declaration in this cause lay the injury as done at the crossing of Chene street, and lay the duties in reference to that crossing. The occurrence was not at that crossing, but at one north-east of it, on the Miller road. The briefs do not lay stress upon this variance, which is a very serious one. If the declaration is printed according to the original record, it is plain enough that it cannot maintain the verdict, as an error assigned is that the plaintiff could not recover on the showing. As, in our opinion, a new trial must be granted on other grounds, we make no further allusion to it.
The facts, as presented for plaintiff, though controverted in many respects in important details, are, in substance, these:
On June 23, 1883, at a little after 9 o’clock in the evening, 'the Grand Trunk Railway train, approaching from the northeast, struck a two-horse wagon in which plaintiff and his [282]*282father were sitting; the locomotive hitting it in the forepart, and throwing out the persons in it, killing the father and severely injuring the plaintiff. This was on Miller street or road, which at that place was crossed by the railroad at an angle of about 35 degrees. Chene street runs at right angles-with the Miller road, which it crosses about 10 rods northerly from the railroad track, and the Ohene-street railroad crossing is not far from 20 rods distant from the place of the accident. Plaintiff lived on Chene street, according to the map-in evidence, about 30 rods south of the railroad. Some of the testimony, which is vague, puts it further. About 135-rods along the railroad from the place of the accident, northeasterly, is a crossing on the Conet road, known as the Bigelow crossing. This Oonet road is nearly parallel with Chene street, and crosses the Miller road some 80 rods, or thereabouts, southerly from the railroad.
That afternoon plaintiff had walked up Chene street to the railroad, and along the track to the Miller crossing, and then followed the Miller road to the Conet road, and along that road, across the railroad, to a place where his father was at work plowing. In the edge of the evening they left the field, in a wagon drawn by two horses, and followed down the Conet toad to the Miller road, and then turned into that, and drove in the direction of the railroad and Chene street. They stopped at Miller’s house, about 30 rods from the railroad, and not far from three-quarters of a mile from the field, along the road they traveled. The father went into Miller’s, and stayed there a good while, the precise time not being fixed. He came out again, and got into the wagon, which the boy was driving, and they started up the road on a walk. The witnesses put the time not far from a quarter past 9. The boy, who was about 14 years old, sat at the right side of his-father, on a board seat laid across the wagon. The train from Port Huron was a few minutes past due, and running about 40 miles an hour, or a little more. The Miller road [283]*283was rather lower than the highest part of the railroad track, and began to rise when it approached the track, and crossed' the railroad ditch on a plank bridge, which was laid diagonally along the direction of Miller street, and was, as claimed by plaintiff, about eight or nine feet long.
Plaintiff says that when he came opposite the telegraph-pole, which is not exactly located, but seems to have been near the intersection of the Miller road with the railroad, he stopped and listened, but heard no noise and saw no light-lie then drove on, and paid no further attention to anything but his driving. The horses were on the track, and apparently just over it, or nearly so, when the locomotive struck the team and wagon.
The plaintiff’s claim is that he was careful, and not negligent, and that defendant was negligent in omitting the statutory signals, and in running too fast. Defendant denies-its own fault, and claims that plaintiff was careless himself. No specific neglect is charged, except omitting the statutory, signals. One of the counts puts the speed at 40 miles, and perhaps it charges inferentially that this was too fast.
On the trial, and in this Court, considerable stress was-laid on the fault of the railroad in leaving a growth of' bushes on its right of way in and beside the ditch, tending, as claimed, to obscure the view of the road. There was evidence that there was a growth of bushes along that part of the Miller road further than the telegraph pole. There was-a conflict of testimony concerning the bushes near the track, and concerning their height. Plaintiff represented that he saw the dim outline of those bushes between him and the-railroad when he stopped to listen. There was positive testimony on the other side, and some on his side, not consistent with any such difficulty. He testified he did not hear or see anything indicating the approach of the train. There was testimony of witnesses on both sides, of several persons who-were near by, who both heard and saw the train plainly.. [284]*284"There was positive testimony that all the proper signals were given. There was testimony, on the other hand, of persons who did not hear all the requisite signals.
Upon the two main issues, namely, defendant’s carelessness .and plaintiff’s care, the conflict of facts is alleged to have •existed.
All of the testimony concerning plaintiff’s own conduct is what he says himself. There is some further testimony intended to supplement it by showing the surroundings.
In dealing with the question of plaintiff’s care, less attention was given than should have been to the fact that plaintiff’s father was with him, and more or less familiar with the neighborhood. It is certainly remarkable that neither of them discovered what was seen and heard by so many others. There ean be no doubt that when they reached the bridge crossing, if plaintiff had gone to his horses’ heads, and looked up the track, he could not have failed to see the train, whether he could have heard it or not; and with two in the wagon, if both had their wits' about them, there should have been no difficulty in taking the necessary observations. It is very difficult to distinguish the case from many which appear in the reports where persons approach crossings with stolid indifference, and are injured by trains passing. Except the one stop near the telegraph pole, no attention seems to have been given to the situation. It is not necessary to the ■decision of this case to determine — and in the absence of • some explanations which the jury may have had, and we have not in a sufficiently tangible shape, we cannot fully determine — whether there was not evidence enough of care to go to the jury. It is evident the jury gave plaintiff the benefit ■ of all the doubts.
Objection was made to the testimony of Mr. Yoelkner, who represents plaintiff in this suit, and gave an account of some ■ experiments he made under what he supposed to be similar • circumstances. He says, in substance, that he went out with [285]*285his brother in a wagon like plaintiff’s one night in the following August, and placed himself, without measurements, as he says, about where the boy told them he stopped, and watched for the approach of the train. He put his wagon-on the Miller road, and says “ somewhere near the telegraph pole, and at 9:30 we saw a light.” This was, as he says, before the bushes were cut away. He then gives this account:
^ There was a light; that is, the head-light. It appeared,, and I left my brother standing in the wagon, and I jumped out, and walked to the track to see how long it would take. That was the purpose I went out there to see, — how long it would take to walk to the track; and I walked rather fast, and at the time I got to the track the train was there passing me;, and I took the time, and it took fifty-five seconds; that is, the time I saw the light and I jumped out of the wagon and got to the Chene-street crossing.”
He says he considered the train was running 45 miles an hour, the same that it was running the night of the accident. On his cross-examination, he indicates that he proposed to imagine himself as Klanowski driving the horse, and find out the exact time it would take from seeing the light till the-train struck the crossing, and that he ran instead of walking. On the redirect he said it took him the 55 seconds to run 65-feet. .
It is not unlikely that this peculiar experiment had weight with the jury. It does not appear just how he measured the time, and it is a remarkable showing of running that-traverses but a little over a foot in a second. At two or three miles an hour, the crossing would have been made safely on this basis. But the testimony was not admissible. It is-never proper to leave to witnesses the determination of matters which can be determined by the jury. With the facts established in regard to the various elements of plaintiff’s-, story, their effect would be within the estimate of any intel[286]*286■ligent jury. The facts themselves must be determined beJore any conclusions could be drawn from them.1
In People v. Morrigan, 29 Mich. 4, an attempt was made .to show by experts whether certain things could or could not be done, involving no science, but ordinary facts, and the testimony was held to have been properly excluded. In the same, case, where the distinct fact was material whether a parcel of a certain size could be taken out of a pocket which had been changed, actual experiments with such a parcel in the pocket, before it was changed, were held proper, as involving a single and determinate fact, showing the capacity •of that particular pocket, which was no longer within reach. The distinction is obvious. In the present case, even if experiments could be of any use, Voelkner took for granted ■distances, locations, and probabilities of speed, none of which had been or could be verified. There were no elements of •certainty in the comparison, which, to be of any value, must have been exact, and beyond dispute or variation.
His testimony as to speed on the same night when he experimented was also objected to, and the objection was well taken. While he professed to fix the period of the experiment at 55 seconds, he gave no certain dataos to the distance traversed by the train during that time.
There were several objections to the course of the judge in ■his charges, which can be best referred to by comparison.
The judge confined his charge to giving or refusing specific requests, except that, in a few instances, he qualified some of •defendant’s requests. The jury had no general cautions or instructions, and the case was one where they needed to be very carefully charged, and where any ambiguity was likely to mislead them.
The court charged, in answer to certain requests, that the [287]*287speed of the train was not negligence, and that, at a common highway crossing, there was no duty to slow down, or reduce .the rate of speed.« He charged that if the hell and whistle were not sounded as required by statute, and. this contributed to the accident, defendant would be liable, in case there was no fault in plaintiff. He also charged that if they were rung ■there could be no recovery. But after this charge, which made the ringing and whistling a sufficient defense, he left it to the jury to determine whether there was any unusual circumstance which made the speed unreasonable. This created a contradiction. It left the jury to find that a full compliance with the statutory conditions, which they had already been told would be a defense, was not a defense. Nothing in the declaration or charge pointed out any exceptional circumstances relied on, and the testimony showed none.
In the law, all crossings of highways are classed together, and, if there is any reason why a particular crossing is more dangerous than others, it should be averred and proved. Here there was no averment and no proof of anything that distinguished the Miller crossing from any other. This charge directly empowered the jury to diregard what had already been said about the legal right to run at high speed. There is always room for dwelling before a jury, if it is allowed, on the perilous character of a fast train. But the law allows it, and has imposed what the Legislature consider sufficient guards against danger from it. On the other hand, nothing could be more dangerous than irregular running. Reliability in the movements of trains is necessary for the protection of the numerous lives on the trains themselves, which exceed in number any likely to be found at any crossing. Time lost by slowing at one place must be made up afterwards, and any considerable loss always creates danger. [288]*288There is less danger from trains, whether fast or slow, which run on time, or nearly so, than from any others. Persons at crossings can always inform themselves sufficiently of the-times and conditions of passing, and accidents do not happen very often where both parties are reasonably vigilant.1 Every collision endangers lives on the train as well as other lives, and any rule which leaves conductors of trains in any doubt as to their duty would do more harm than good.
In other parts of the charge a similar difficulty occurs. The jury were left, on several matters, at liberty to conjecture or find difficulties which were not defined, and which the pleadings do not point out. As already suggested, the-declaration is silent as to any negligence from the leaving of bushes by the track, and, except for plaintiff’s testimony, there is very little, if anything, which indicates that they were of any consequence. They did not prevent Yoelkner from seeing the head-light, and plaintiff only indicates difficulty at the' single point where he stood, which is not clearly identified, and where he was apparently opposite bushes along the Miller road, over which the defendant had no control, and which seemed to have been as high as any others.. The charge does not refer to them very distinctly, as bearing on any question of negligence of defendant, but does not. ignore them, and, except for these, there was nothing that could indicate any difference between this and any other-crossing, thus leaving the jury at liberty to find some" difference, and find some additional duty in defendant as to its trains, from which they might infer negligence beyond what was counted on by the declaration.
It is never safe or proper, in cases where sympathy is easily [289]*289aroused, to leave any door open for finding verdicts on supposed general equities or surmises.
It is impossible to suppose, in view of tbe record and tbe verdict, that there was no danger in leaving the jury the wide room for speculation which they had power to take. Leaving them the largest scope for legal discretion, we think they were permitted to go further.
There were some other points presented which seem to rest on similar questions, and which ' need not, therefore, be referred to more particularly.
The judgment must be reversed, with costs, and a new trial granted.
Champlin, J., concurred.