FLAUM, Circuit Judge.
Without a prior plea agreement, Jay Harry Fern pleaded guilty in an Illinois court in May 1989 to two counts of unlawful delivery of a controUed substance (cocaine). The court sentenced him on July 19 of the same year to concurrent twenty-five- and ten-year terms and imposed fines totaling $75,000. After announcing its sentence, the court informed Fern of his right to appeal and ad
vised him that he would first have to file a written motion asking the trial court to permit him to withdraw his guilty plea. Despite this admonition, Fern’s attorney did not file the motion mandated by Illinois Supreme Court Rule 604(d), but instead appealed directly to the Appellate Court of Illinois. Not surprisingly, that court refused to reach the merits, rejecting Fern’s appeal on the basis of counsel’s failure to file the Rule 604(d) motion.
People v. Fern,
199 Ill.App.3d 983, 146 Ill.Dec. 68, 557 N.E.2d 1010 (1990).
In his state petition for post-conviction relief, filed
pro se,
Fern alleged,
inter alia,
that his attorney rendered ineffective assistance by failing to preserve his direct appeal. The trial court summarily dismissed Fern’s petition, and the Illinois appellate court affirmed.
People v. Fern,
240 Ill.App.3d 1031, 180 Ill.Dec. 651, 607 N.E.2d 951,
appeal denied,
151 Ill.2d 569, 186 Ill.Dec. 387, 616 N.E.2d 340 (1993). Fern then brought this petition for a writ of habeas corpus pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 2254. Finding that Fern had little hope of success on appeal and that he therefore could not show prejudice as required by
Strickland v. Washington,
466 U.S. 668, 104 S.Ct. 2052, 80 L.Ed.2d 674 (1984), the district court denied the writ and Fern’s motion for reconsideration. After initial briefing in this court, we ordered that counsel be appointed to represent Fern and requested that counsel for both parties address the applicability of
Castellanos v. United States,
26 F.3d 717 (7th Cir.1994) and
United States v. Nagib,
56 F.3d 798 (7th Cir.1995). We now vacate and remand to the district court.
I.
In
Castellanos,
we stated unequivocally that “[i]f the defendant told his lawyer to appeal, and the lawyer dropped the ball, then the defendant has been deprived, not of effective assistance of counsel, but of
any
assistance of counsel on appeal. Abandonment is a
per se
violation of the sixth amendment.”
Castellanos,
26 F.3d at 718 (citing
United States v. Cronic,
466 U.S. 648, 658-59, 104 S.Ct. 2039, 2046-47, 80 L.Ed.2d 657 (1984)). Assuming that Fern instructed his attorney to appeal his sentence,
Castellanos
therefore would appear to control. Respondent, however, points to two reasons why we should not apply
Castellanos
here. First, respondent argues that
Castellanos
announced a new rule, which under
Teague v. Lane,
489 U.S. 288, 109 S.Ct. 1060, 103 L.Ed.2d 334 (1989), cannot be applied in the context of Fern’s collateral attack on a sentence that became final before
Castellanos
was decided. Second, respondent maintains that the decision of the Appellate Court of Illinois, which rejected Fern’s state post-conviction petition on the ground that he had not demonstrated prejudice, was not contrary to, or an unreasonable application of, Federal law as determined by the United States Supreme Court — the conclusion we must draw in order to grant Fern’s petition under the new 28 U.S.C. § 2254(d) enacted as part of the Anti-terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, Pub.L. 104-132, 110 Stat. 1214.
See Lindh v. Murphy,
96 F.3d 856 (7th Cir.1996). Although these arguments involve related considerations, we discuss them separately.
A.
Under the non-retroactivity doctrine announced in
Teague,
we will not apply on collateral review a rule of criminal procedure that “was not
dictated
by precedent existing at the time the defendant’s conviction became final.” 489 U.S. at 301, 109 S.Ct. at 1070 (emphasis in original);
see Butler v. McKellar,
494 U.S. 407, 412-14, 110 S.Ct. 1212, 1216-17, 108 L.Ed.2d 347 (1990);
Jones v. Page,
76 F.3d 831, 849-51 (7th Cir.1996), cert. denied, — U.S.-, 117 S.Ct. 363, 136 L.Ed.2d 254 (1996). Both parties agree that the relevant date for Teague. purposes is 1990, when Fern’s direct appeal had run its course.
See Caspari v. Bohlen,
510 U.S. 383, 389-90, 114 S.Ct. 948, 953, 127 L.Ed.2d 236 (1994);
Jones,
76 F.3d at 851. We therefore must decide whether the law as it existed in 1990 compelled the conclusion that an attorney’s forfeiture of a client’s right to appeal constituted ineffective assistance of counsel regardless of prejudice.
See Caspari,
510 U.S. at 389-90, 114 S.Ct. at 953;
Jones,
76 F.3d at 851.
An initial clue in this regard, overlooked by both petitioner and respondent, is that
Castellanos
itself was decided on review of a habeas petition brought pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 2255.
See
26 F.3d at 718. Because
Teague
applies to petitions brought under § 2255 as well as petitions brought under § 2254,
see Haley v. United States,
78 F.3d 282, 285 n. 2 (7th Cir.1996) (per curiam);
Dawson v. United States,
77 F.3d 180, 183 (7th Cir.1996), the nonretroactivity doctrine should have barred our announcement of a “new” rule in
Castellanos,
if a new rule it was. It therefore would seem untenable to maintain, as respondent does, that
Castella-nos
and
Nagib
constituted “a vast departure from the familiar performance-prejudice analysis first announced in
Strickland.”
That is, of course, unless we erred in
Castel-lanos.
We do not believe we erred. A close analysis of
Castellanos
reveals that our opinion in that case was grounded firmly in Supreme Court precedent already extant in 1990.
See Castellanos,
26 F.3d at 718 (“Abandonment is a
per se
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FLAUM, Circuit Judge.
Without a prior plea agreement, Jay Harry Fern pleaded guilty in an Illinois court in May 1989 to two counts of unlawful delivery of a controUed substance (cocaine). The court sentenced him on July 19 of the same year to concurrent twenty-five- and ten-year terms and imposed fines totaling $75,000. After announcing its sentence, the court informed Fern of his right to appeal and ad
vised him that he would first have to file a written motion asking the trial court to permit him to withdraw his guilty plea. Despite this admonition, Fern’s attorney did not file the motion mandated by Illinois Supreme Court Rule 604(d), but instead appealed directly to the Appellate Court of Illinois. Not surprisingly, that court refused to reach the merits, rejecting Fern’s appeal on the basis of counsel’s failure to file the Rule 604(d) motion.
People v. Fern,
199 Ill.App.3d 983, 146 Ill.Dec. 68, 557 N.E.2d 1010 (1990).
In his state petition for post-conviction relief, filed
pro se,
Fern alleged,
inter alia,
that his attorney rendered ineffective assistance by failing to preserve his direct appeal. The trial court summarily dismissed Fern’s petition, and the Illinois appellate court affirmed.
People v. Fern,
240 Ill.App.3d 1031, 180 Ill.Dec. 651, 607 N.E.2d 951,
appeal denied,
151 Ill.2d 569, 186 Ill.Dec. 387, 616 N.E.2d 340 (1993). Fern then brought this petition for a writ of habeas corpus pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 2254. Finding that Fern had little hope of success on appeal and that he therefore could not show prejudice as required by
Strickland v. Washington,
466 U.S. 668, 104 S.Ct. 2052, 80 L.Ed.2d 674 (1984), the district court denied the writ and Fern’s motion for reconsideration. After initial briefing in this court, we ordered that counsel be appointed to represent Fern and requested that counsel for both parties address the applicability of
Castellanos v. United States,
26 F.3d 717 (7th Cir.1994) and
United States v. Nagib,
56 F.3d 798 (7th Cir.1995). We now vacate and remand to the district court.
I.
In
Castellanos,
we stated unequivocally that “[i]f the defendant told his lawyer to appeal, and the lawyer dropped the ball, then the defendant has been deprived, not of effective assistance of counsel, but of
any
assistance of counsel on appeal. Abandonment is a
per se
violation of the sixth amendment.”
Castellanos,
26 F.3d at 718 (citing
United States v. Cronic,
466 U.S. 648, 658-59, 104 S.Ct. 2039, 2046-47, 80 L.Ed.2d 657 (1984)). Assuming that Fern instructed his attorney to appeal his sentence,
Castellanos
therefore would appear to control. Respondent, however, points to two reasons why we should not apply
Castellanos
here. First, respondent argues that
Castellanos
announced a new rule, which under
Teague v. Lane,
489 U.S. 288, 109 S.Ct. 1060, 103 L.Ed.2d 334 (1989), cannot be applied in the context of Fern’s collateral attack on a sentence that became final before
Castellanos
was decided. Second, respondent maintains that the decision of the Appellate Court of Illinois, which rejected Fern’s state post-conviction petition on the ground that he had not demonstrated prejudice, was not contrary to, or an unreasonable application of, Federal law as determined by the United States Supreme Court — the conclusion we must draw in order to grant Fern’s petition under the new 28 U.S.C. § 2254(d) enacted as part of the Anti-terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, Pub.L. 104-132, 110 Stat. 1214.
See Lindh v. Murphy,
96 F.3d 856 (7th Cir.1996). Although these arguments involve related considerations, we discuss them separately.
A.
Under the non-retroactivity doctrine announced in
Teague,
we will not apply on collateral review a rule of criminal procedure that “was not
dictated
by precedent existing at the time the defendant’s conviction became final.” 489 U.S. at 301, 109 S.Ct. at 1070 (emphasis in original);
see Butler v. McKellar,
494 U.S. 407, 412-14, 110 S.Ct. 1212, 1216-17, 108 L.Ed.2d 347 (1990);
Jones v. Page,
76 F.3d 831, 849-51 (7th Cir.1996), cert. denied, — U.S.-, 117 S.Ct. 363, 136 L.Ed.2d 254 (1996). Both parties agree that the relevant date for Teague. purposes is 1990, when Fern’s direct appeal had run its course.
See Caspari v. Bohlen,
510 U.S. 383, 389-90, 114 S.Ct. 948, 953, 127 L.Ed.2d 236 (1994);
Jones,
76 F.3d at 851. We therefore must decide whether the law as it existed in 1990 compelled the conclusion that an attorney’s forfeiture of a client’s right to appeal constituted ineffective assistance of counsel regardless of prejudice.
See Caspari,
510 U.S. at 389-90, 114 S.Ct. at 953;
Jones,
76 F.3d at 851.
An initial clue in this regard, overlooked by both petitioner and respondent, is that
Castellanos
itself was decided on review of a habeas petition brought pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 2255.
See
26 F.3d at 718. Because
Teague
applies to petitions brought under § 2255 as well as petitions brought under § 2254,
see Haley v. United States,
78 F.3d 282, 285 n. 2 (7th Cir.1996) (per curiam);
Dawson v. United States,
77 F.3d 180, 183 (7th Cir.1996), the nonretroactivity doctrine should have barred our announcement of a “new” rule in
Castellanos,
if a new rule it was. It therefore would seem untenable to maintain, as respondent does, that
Castella-nos
and
Nagib
constituted “a vast departure from the familiar performance-prejudice analysis first announced in
Strickland.”
That is, of course, unless we erred in
Castel-lanos.
We do not believe we erred. A close analysis of
Castellanos
reveals that our opinion in that case was grounded firmly in Supreme Court precedent already extant in 1990.
See Castellanos,
26 F.3d at 718 (“Abandonment is a
per se
violation of the sixth amendment.”) (citing
Cronic,
466 U.S. at 658-59, 104 S.Ct. at 2046-47);
id.
at 719 (“[T]he ‘prejudice’ component of
Strickland
does not apply when an appellate lawyer fails either to file a brief or to satisfy the requirements of
Anders
in seeking leave to withdraw.”) (citing
Penson v. Ohio,
488 U.S. 75, 109 S.Ct. 346, 102 L.Ed.2d 300 (1988)). At the very least, we agree with Fern that we did not believe we were announcing a new rule in
Castellanos.
Yet this does not necessarily mean that
Castellanos
did not in fact announce a new rule within the meaning of
Teague,
for “[t]he ‘new rule’ principle ... validates reasonable, good-faith interpretations of existing precedents made by state courts even though they are shown to be contrary to later decisions.”
Butler,
494 U.S. at 414, 110 S.Ct. at 1217. “Courts frequently view their decisions as being ‘controlled’ or ‘governed’ by prior opinions even when aware of reasonable contrary conclusions reached by other courts.”
Id.
at 415, 110 S.Ct. at 1217. We must look directly at the caselaw as it existed in 1990 and ask whether the issue Fern now raises “was susceptible to debate among reasonable minds.”
Id.
If so, then the rule announced in
Castella-nos,
at least as far as Fern is concerned, was a new rule and cannot be applied to his petition.
Fern points to a triad of Supreme Court cases which he insists had established by 1990 the rule upon which he now relies:
Penson v. Ohio,
488 U.S. 75, 109 S.Ct. 346, 102 L.Ed.2d 300
(1988); Evitts v. Lucey, 469
U.S. 387, 105 S.Ct. 830, 83 L.Ed.2d 821 (1985); and
Rodriquez v. United States,
395 U.S. 327, 89 S.Ct 1715, 23 L.Ed.2d 340 (1969). We doubt that
Evitts
and
Rodriquez
alone can be said to dictate the rule that failure to perfect a direct appeal from a state-court conviction obviates the need to show prejudice.
Rodriquez
held that where counsel’s failure to file a notice of appeal deprived an accused of his right to appeal a federal district court’s judgment of conviction, the accused could not be required to specify in his subsequent habeas petition the points he would have raised on appeal.
See
395 U.S. at 329-30, 89 S.Ct. at 1717. Although
Rodriquez
therefore was quite similar to the instant ease, it dealt with the loss of the right to appeal from a
federal
conviction and predated
Evitts’
holding that ineffective assistance of counsel on an accused’s first appeal as of right from a state-court conviction violated the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Moreover,
Rodriquez
is cited only once in
Evitts
in a footnote and not at all in
Penson,
the other two cases upon which Fern relies. As for
Evitts,
although that case did establish once and for all that an accused convicted in state court is entitled to effective assistance of counsel in the course of a direct appeal as of right, the Court. specifically noted that, on the facts before it, there was no need to “decide the content of appropriate standards for judging claims of ineffective assistance of appellate counsel.”
Evitts,
469 U.S. at 392, 105 S.Ct. at 833.
Penson,
however, compels the rule of law that Fern seeks to have applied to his petition. In
Penson,
Penson’s appellate attorney filed only a “Certification of Meritless Appeal and Motion” stating that there were no grounds for reversal and asking to be removed from the case. The Ohio Court of Appeals granted the attorney’s wish and pro
ceeded to conduct its own review of the record. Although it found that there were “arguable” grounds for appeal and that one count had to be reversed, the appeals court determined that Penson suffered no prejudice as to the remaining counts because the court itself had reviewed the record with the benefit of arguments by counsel for code-fendants. The Supreme Court reversed. Noting that “[t]he need for forceful advocacy does not come to an abrupt halt as the legal proceeding moves from the trial to the appellate stage,” the Court, found that “the Ohio Court of Appeals deprived both petitioner and itself of the benefit of an adversary examination and presentation of the issues.” 488 U.S. at 85, 109 S.Ct. at 352. The Court next went on to consider the State’s argument that “petitioner has failed to show prejudice under
Strickland v. Washington.” Id.
Because “the denial of counsel ... left petitioner completely without representation during the appellate court’s actual decisional process,” the Court rejected the notion that Penson should be required to show prejudice:
As we stated in
Strickland,
the “[ajctual or constructive denial of the assistance of counsel altogether is legally presumed to result in prejudice.” ... Our decision in
United States v. Cronic,
likewise, makes clear that “[t]he presumption that counsel’s assistance is essential requires us to conclude that a trial is unfair if the accused is denied counsel at a critical stage of the trial.” ... Because the fundamental importance of the assistance of counsel does not cease as the prosecutorial process moves from the trial to the appellate stage, ... the presumption of prejudice must extend as well to the denial of counsel on appeal.
The present ease is unlike a case in which counsel fails to press a particular argument on appeal ... or fails to argue an issue as effectively as he or she might. Rather, at the time the Court of Appeals first considered the merits of petitioner’s appeal, appellate counsel had already been granted leave to withdraw; petitioner was thus entirely without the assistance of counsel on appeal_ It is therefore inappropriate to apply either the prejudice requirement of
Strickland
or the harmless-error analysis of
Chapman [v. California,
386 U.S. 18, 87 S.Ct. 824, 17 L.Ed.2d 705 (1967)].
488 U.S. at 88-89, 109 S.Ct. at 354 (citations omitted).
Any court aware of this language could reach no conclusion but that to apply the prejudice prong of
Strickland
to an individual in Fern’s shoes would be to contravene the Supreme Court’s understanding of the right to effective assistance of counsel.
Respondent nevertheless objects that
Penson
is “too broad” to have dictated our holding in
Castellanos. We
do not believe, however, that
Teague
should be read as a manifesto hostile to all but the narrowest conception of legal determinism. Our system of jurisprudence is premised on the notion that, at least in some cases, precedent will lead ineluctably to a specific legal outcome.
Strickland,
in announcing its two-prong performance/prejudice test, was careful to leave untouched the rule that prejudice would be presumed in the case of a constructive or actual denial of counsel.
Ev-itts
established that ineffectiveness claims could be raised as to appellate counsel to which an accused was entitled under
Douglas v. California,
372 U.S. 353, 83 S.Ct. 814, 9 L.Ed.2d 811 (1963).
Penson,
finally, confirmed that the rule of presumed prejudice in cases of actual or constructive denial of counsel applied to appellate counsel as well as trial counsel. All of the constitutional pieces were in place one year before Fern was sentenced.
If what respondent means by “too broad” is that the facts of
Penson
differ from those presented by Fern’s petition, respondent certainly is correct:
Penson
was “entirely without the assistance of counsel on appeal” because his attorney failed to file a merits brief; Fern lost his direct appeal on the merits because his attorney failed to file a motion in the trial court. Penson at least enjoyed the benefit of the state appellate court’s indepen
dent review of the record and assessment of his legal claims. If anything, therefore, Fern suffered a more severe deprivation of his Sixth Amendment rights than did Penson. It is true that on collateral review the Illinois appellate court ultimately scanned the record to determine Fern’s chance of success on appeal, but this is precisely the approach disapproved in
Penson.
At oral argument, respondent attempted to distinguish the present case from the kind of actual or constructive denial of counsel to which
Strickland, Cronic
and
Penson
refer on the ground that those cases involved circumstances in which counsel was “either totally absent, or prevented from assisting the accused.”
See Cronic,
466 U.S. at 659 n. 25, 104 S.Ct. at 2047 n. 25. This reading strikes us as unduly constricted. In any event, we confess that the difference between counsel who leaves the courtroom and counsel who effectively shuts the courtroom door to a client continues to elude us. As far as the Sixth Amendment is concerned, this is a distinction without a difference. A distinction without a difference does not a new rule make.
Respondent points- to two decisions of this court, decided after
Penson
but before
Cas-tellanos,
that reached conclusions contrary to our holding in
Castellanos.
In
Van Russell v. United States,
976 F.2d 323 (7th Cir.1992),
cert. denied,
508 U.S. 923, 113 S.Ct. 2376, 124 L.Ed.2d 280 (1993), and
Belford v. United States,
975 F.2d 310 (7th Cir.1992), we applied the prejudice prong of
Strickland
to habeas petitioners’ claims that counsel had forfeited their right to direct appellate review of their convictions. These eases, according to respondent, belie the assertion that
Castellanos
did not announce a new rule.
We could dispose of this objection by pointing out, as does Fern, that the legal landscape in 1990 did not comprise these two 1992 opinions. But that would be too formalistic. If
Van Russell
and
Belford
reached their holdings after considering the precedent we find so compelling today, this would be a strong indication that the rule applied in
Castellanos
was theretofore susceptible to debate among reasonable jurists. The problem for respondent is that
Van Russell
and
Belford
did not address that precedent. As we observed in
Castellanos, “Belford
and
Van Russell
did not cite
Penson
or the portion of
Cronic
recognizing that a lawyer’s abandonment - of his client is ineffective
per se.
We doubt that the parties brought these cases to the panels’ attention.” 26 F.3d at 720. We therefore “disavow[ed] the language of
Belford
and
Van Russell
requiring a defendant to establish prejudice from failure to appeal.”
Id. Belford
and
Van Russell
are equally unavailing today.
We conclude that
Teague
does not bar us from holding that it was error for the district court to require Fern to show that he suffered prejudice as a result of counsel’s failure to perfect his direct appeal.
B.
We next address respondent’s argument that the new habeas law prevents us from granting relief. Under 28 U.S.C. § 2254(d)(1), a federal court must deny a habeas petition with respect to any claim adjudicated on the merits in state court unless the state-court adjudication “resulted in
a decision that was contrary to, or involved an unreasonable application of, clearly established Federal law, as determined by the Supreme Court of the United States.” As we recently explained,
The novelty in this portion of § 2254(d)(1) is not the “contrary to” part but the reference to “Federal law,
as determined by the Supreme Court of the United States”
(emphasis added). This extends the principle of
Teague
by limiting the source of doctrine on which a federal court may rely in addressing the application for a writ. It does not, however, purport to limit the federal courts’ independent interpretive authority with respect to federal questions.
Lindh,
96 F.3d at 869.
Viewed in light of Lindh’s comparison between § 2254(d)(1) and
Teague,
our task becomes straightforward. On review of petitioner’s state petition for post-conviction relief, the Appellate Court of Illinois squarely rejected petitioner’s argument that because counsel “was ineffective both at the plea stage and for failing to move to vacate the judgment prior to taking an appeal, defendant was procedurally defaulted on appeal and that prejudice, the second prong of the
Strickland
test of ineffective assistance of counsel, need not be shown, but may be presumed.” 180 Ill.Dec. at 656-57, 607 N.E.2d at 956-57. “[W]e believe,” the court stated, “that defendant must demonstrate both counsel’s deficient performance and prejudice in order to prevail on his claim.”
Id.
at 657, 607 N.E.2d at 957. In our view, this holding was contrary to clearly established federal law “as determined by the Supreme Court of the United States.” Our
Teague
analysis suffices under § 2254(d)(1) in this case, because our conclusion that
Castellanos
did not announce a new rule rests entirely upon Supreme Court precedent.
See
Section I.A.,
supra.
“Section 2254(d) requires us to give state courts’ opinions a respectful reading, and to listen carefully to their conclusions, but when the state court addresses a legal question, it is the law ‘as determined by the Supreme Court of the United States’ that prevails.”
Lindh,
96 F.3d at 869.
II.
Thus far, we have assumed that Fern told his attorney to file an appeal, as
Castellanos
requires. Whether or not Fern did in fact make such a request is hotly disputed by the parties. We agree with Fern that there has been no finding of fact in either the state courts or the district court below to the effect that Fern did not request an appeal. In his post-conviction petition, Fern alleged that he “immediately informed his attorney ... to file the appropriate motion to withdraw the guilty plea.” The trial court was of the view that it “need not address petitioner’s ... contention that his counsel failed to file a Motion to Withdraw the guilty pleas.” The court opined that “[sjince ... the petitioner’s guilty pleas were not produced by negotiations, ... such a Motion was not contemplated by petitioner or his counsel.” Be that as it may, the trial court’s finding does not instruct on whether Fern asked his attorney to challenge the sentence within the thirty-day window provided by Rule 604. We note that Fern’s attorney filed the notice of appeal on August 17,1989 — apparently within thirty days of his sentencing, which took place on July 19. Given the state of the record, however, the question of what Fern communicated to his attorney is better left to the district court. See
Castellanos,
26 F.3d at 720. We therefore Vacate the judgment of the district court and REMAND for a determination of whether or not petitioner requested that his attorney pursue a direct appeal.