SACKETT, Judge.
Bart A. Hulbert, Sr., appeals from the trial court’s denial of his application for postcon-viction relief. Hulbert was found guilty, following a jury trial, of sexual abuse in the second degree and guilty of lascivious acts with a child and of indecent contact with a child. Hulbert appealed his conviction. This court, in an unpublished opinion, reversed the convictions and remanded for a new trial finding the trial court abused its discretion in not allowing certain opinion testimony of Ralph Charles Underwager. The supreme court took the ease for further review and, in
State v. Hulbert,
481 N.W.2d 329 (Iowa 1992), vacated our decision and affirmed the trial court on the evidence issue but remanded for resentencing. Hulbert now contends his attorney on his original appeal failed to give him effective legal representation.
We
affirm.
In May 1989, Hulbert’s ten-year-old daughter N. told Debra Riehle, her school counselor, her father had sexually abused her. The counselor had recently presented a program to N.’s class on good, bad and confusing touches and had met with N. because Hulbert and the child’s mother were in the process of a dissolution of marriage action. After making the revelations to the school counselor, N. was then interviewed by Eliza
beth Branstad, a child abuse investigator with the department of human services. The interview with Branstad was recorded on audio tape. On June 2, 1989, N. was interviewed again by Branstad. On June 7, 1989, she was again interviewed by a third person, Kathryn Lee, a social worker at the Child Protection Center in Cedar Rapids. The interview with Lee was recorded on videotape.
Riehle, Branstad, and Lee were among those who testified as the state’s witnesses at trial, as did Hulbert’s estranged wife. Among Hulbert’s witnesses was Ralph Un-derwager, a psychologist, who testified as an expert witness hired by Hulbert. The focal and only real issue at trial was whether N. was telling the truth.
Hulbert raises a number of issues on appeal, all of which are premised on the alleged ineffective representation of his appellate counsel. Hulbert was represented in his trial and the postconviction relief proceedings by the same attorney who also represents him on this appeal. He was represented in the original appeal from the conviction by a different attorney.
Because Hulbert asserts a violation of his constitutional right to effective assistance of appellate counsel, we basically review the record de novo.
See Hinkle v. State,
290 N.W.2d 28, 30 (Iowa 1980). To succeed, Hulbert must prove by a preponderance of the evidence that his appellate attorney did not perform an essential duty and as a result of this failure, he was prejudiced.
See State v. Risdal,
404 N.W.2d 130, 131 (Iowa 1987). In looking at the representation given Hulbert by his appellate attorney, we presume the attorney competently represented him.
See id.
Hulbert first contends he should have had the opportunity to have Underwager testify that after viewing the videotape of the Lee interview, he was of the opinion Lee’s interview was conducted in such a manner that it was suggestive. Hulbert recognizes his appellate counsel did raise the issue in the original appeal, but contends he was prejudiced because appellate counsel misstated the record, failed to take advantage of the offer of assistance by his trial attorney, and failed to advance certain arguments that would have resulted in reversal of his conviction.
To understand his argument, we need review the record as made. Prior to trial, Hulbert filed a motion in limine asking the trial court to preclude Riehle, Branstad, and Lee from testifying for the State to statements N. made to them, their observations of her, and their conclusions about her actions and statements and their opinions as to her truthfulness. This motion was overruled. The State filed a motion in limine seeking to preclude Hulbert from calling Underwager as a witness. The trial court also overruled this motion.
Before Underwager testified, the State asked the court to clarify its prior ruling concerning his testimony. Specifically, the State argued Underwager should not be allowed to testify to things not in evidence, including the videotape. Hulbert contended the videotape did not have to be in evidence for Underwager to critique the interview it showed but, if the fact the videotape was not admitted into evidence was the only thing standing in the way of admitting Underwager’s testimony criticizing the interviewing techniques, he would call a witness and introduce the videotape in evidence. The court ruled Hulbert could not introduce the videotape, and Underwager could not testify with reference to the videotape or the Lee interview. The trial court based the ruling on the belief it had sustained Hulbert’s motion in limine to keep the videotape out of evidence. Hulbert told the trial court no motion in limine had been granted excluding the videotape from being introduced in evidence. The trial court did not change its ruling on this issue. There is no record of a ruling by the trial judge sustaining Hulbert’s motion in limine excluding the videotape from being admitted in evidence. The brief of Hulbert’s first appellate counsel represented the videotape had been excluded from evidence on the basis of Hulbert’s motion in limine. The supreme court, in finding against Hulbert on this issue, said, in part: “While this opinion evidence may well have been strengthened by a demonstration of Lee’s performance,
Hulbert himself moved to exclude the demonstration tool. Under the circumstances, we cannot say the court abused its discretion by restricting its use. No ground for reversal appears.”
Hulbert,
481 N.W.2d at 334.
The fact Hulbert’s motion in limine to exclude the videotape of Lee’s interview had not been sustained was called to appellate counsel’s attention by Hulbert’s trial attorney, in a letter of March 26, 1990. In the letter, trial counsel also agreed to assist appellate counsel in any way. At the posteon-vietion hearing, Hulbert’s trial attorney, again his attorney for purposes of the post-conviction relief proceedings, made a professional statement that appellate counsel never contacted him. Hulbert testified at the post-conviction hearing he told or wrote his appellate counsel several times about the mistake after receiving our prior decision and prior to further review by the supreme court but she “brushed him off.” The trial court in the postconviction proceedings found Hulbert’s statements not credible on this issue.
While the videotape was not introduced in the original proceeding, the State called Lee to testify.
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SACKETT, Judge.
Bart A. Hulbert, Sr., appeals from the trial court’s denial of his application for postcon-viction relief. Hulbert was found guilty, following a jury trial, of sexual abuse in the second degree and guilty of lascivious acts with a child and of indecent contact with a child. Hulbert appealed his conviction. This court, in an unpublished opinion, reversed the convictions and remanded for a new trial finding the trial court abused its discretion in not allowing certain opinion testimony of Ralph Charles Underwager. The supreme court took the ease for further review and, in
State v. Hulbert,
481 N.W.2d 329 (Iowa 1992), vacated our decision and affirmed the trial court on the evidence issue but remanded for resentencing. Hulbert now contends his attorney on his original appeal failed to give him effective legal representation.
We
affirm.
In May 1989, Hulbert’s ten-year-old daughter N. told Debra Riehle, her school counselor, her father had sexually abused her. The counselor had recently presented a program to N.’s class on good, bad and confusing touches and had met with N. because Hulbert and the child’s mother were in the process of a dissolution of marriage action. After making the revelations to the school counselor, N. was then interviewed by Eliza
beth Branstad, a child abuse investigator with the department of human services. The interview with Branstad was recorded on audio tape. On June 2, 1989, N. was interviewed again by Branstad. On June 7, 1989, she was again interviewed by a third person, Kathryn Lee, a social worker at the Child Protection Center in Cedar Rapids. The interview with Lee was recorded on videotape.
Riehle, Branstad, and Lee were among those who testified as the state’s witnesses at trial, as did Hulbert’s estranged wife. Among Hulbert’s witnesses was Ralph Un-derwager, a psychologist, who testified as an expert witness hired by Hulbert. The focal and only real issue at trial was whether N. was telling the truth.
Hulbert raises a number of issues on appeal, all of which are premised on the alleged ineffective representation of his appellate counsel. Hulbert was represented in his trial and the postconviction relief proceedings by the same attorney who also represents him on this appeal. He was represented in the original appeal from the conviction by a different attorney.
Because Hulbert asserts a violation of his constitutional right to effective assistance of appellate counsel, we basically review the record de novo.
See Hinkle v. State,
290 N.W.2d 28, 30 (Iowa 1980). To succeed, Hulbert must prove by a preponderance of the evidence that his appellate attorney did not perform an essential duty and as a result of this failure, he was prejudiced.
See State v. Risdal,
404 N.W.2d 130, 131 (Iowa 1987). In looking at the representation given Hulbert by his appellate attorney, we presume the attorney competently represented him.
See id.
Hulbert first contends he should have had the opportunity to have Underwager testify that after viewing the videotape of the Lee interview, he was of the opinion Lee’s interview was conducted in such a manner that it was suggestive. Hulbert recognizes his appellate counsel did raise the issue in the original appeal, but contends he was prejudiced because appellate counsel misstated the record, failed to take advantage of the offer of assistance by his trial attorney, and failed to advance certain arguments that would have resulted in reversal of his conviction.
To understand his argument, we need review the record as made. Prior to trial, Hulbert filed a motion in limine asking the trial court to preclude Riehle, Branstad, and Lee from testifying for the State to statements N. made to them, their observations of her, and their conclusions about her actions and statements and their opinions as to her truthfulness. This motion was overruled. The State filed a motion in limine seeking to preclude Hulbert from calling Underwager as a witness. The trial court also overruled this motion.
Before Underwager testified, the State asked the court to clarify its prior ruling concerning his testimony. Specifically, the State argued Underwager should not be allowed to testify to things not in evidence, including the videotape. Hulbert contended the videotape did not have to be in evidence for Underwager to critique the interview it showed but, if the fact the videotape was not admitted into evidence was the only thing standing in the way of admitting Underwager’s testimony criticizing the interviewing techniques, he would call a witness and introduce the videotape in evidence. The court ruled Hulbert could not introduce the videotape, and Underwager could not testify with reference to the videotape or the Lee interview. The trial court based the ruling on the belief it had sustained Hulbert’s motion in limine to keep the videotape out of evidence. Hulbert told the trial court no motion in limine had been granted excluding the videotape from being introduced in evidence. The trial court did not change its ruling on this issue. There is no record of a ruling by the trial judge sustaining Hulbert’s motion in limine excluding the videotape from being admitted in evidence. The brief of Hulbert’s first appellate counsel represented the videotape had been excluded from evidence on the basis of Hulbert’s motion in limine. The supreme court, in finding against Hulbert on this issue, said, in part: “While this opinion evidence may well have been strengthened by a demonstration of Lee’s performance,
Hulbert himself moved to exclude the demonstration tool. Under the circumstances, we cannot say the court abused its discretion by restricting its use. No ground for reversal appears.”
Hulbert,
481 N.W.2d at 334.
The fact Hulbert’s motion in limine to exclude the videotape of Lee’s interview had not been sustained was called to appellate counsel’s attention by Hulbert’s trial attorney, in a letter of March 26, 1990. In the letter, trial counsel also agreed to assist appellate counsel in any way. At the posteon-vietion hearing, Hulbert’s trial attorney, again his attorney for purposes of the post-conviction relief proceedings, made a professional statement that appellate counsel never contacted him. Hulbert testified at the post-conviction hearing he told or wrote his appellate counsel several times about the mistake after receiving our prior decision and prior to further review by the supreme court but she “brushed him off.” The trial court in the postconviction proceedings found Hulbert’s statements not credible on this issue.
While the videotape was not introduced in the original proceeding, the State called Lee to testify. When called as a witness, Lee testified the interviewing protocol she uses was designed by various professional groups and developed to obtain as accurate an assessment as possible from the children; the philosophy is, to get an accurate assessment of a child, the comfort level need be raised and the interviewer needs to avoid suggestive questioning; this can be partly accomplished by sitting at the same level as the child or having the same eye level as the child, to have the interviewer’s body convey a message of being supportive; for the interviewer to be open to whatever the child might talk about and not have strong reactions to what they say but to be supportive of what they say. Lee testified during the interview N. spoke softly, was difficult to understand, appeared embarrassed and nervous, and she brought out dolls during the interview because N. was having a difficult time relating the events. Our review of the videotape of this interview demonstrates Lee used most of the interview techniques she testified she used, however, she did tend to phrase her questions in a manner that assumed something had happened to N. A review of the videotape further demonstrates N. was nearly impossible to understand, receptive to suggestions, made no eye contact, and her body was in nearly constant motion.
Underwager is a licensed consulting psychologist and director of the Institute for Psychological Therapies based in Northfield, Minnesota. He was allowed to testify as to the harm of the “good touch, bad touch, confusing touch” program and the use of anatomically correct dolls and diagrams in interviews.
Through an offer of proof,
defense counsel showed Underwager testified he had seen
the videotape of N.’s interview with Lee and he was prepared to critique the interview techniques used by Lee in the interview. In the offer of proof, Underwager critiqued the techniques employed by Lee in interviewing N. as suggestive and leading. Underwager said Lee does not follow through throughout the course of the interview on any potential alternative but continues to seek the responses which will affirm the hypothesis she began with, that is, N. had been sexually abused by her father. Underwager’s critique of Lee’s interviewing techniques was not heard by the jury.
Hulbert contends the trial court abused its discretion in not allowing Underwager’s testimony, especially where Lee’s testimony sought to create the impression her interviewing technique was supportive, not suggestive or coercive, and, while the trial court allowed Lee to testify to the interview with N., it did not treat Hulbert’s expert in the same way. Hulbert contends his appellate counsel would have been successful with the supreme court if the issue had been correctly presented, specifically, if the supreme court had been told the trial court allowed the State’s witnesses to testify to the truthfulness and veracity of N.
Hulbert must now show, but for his appellate counsel’s errors in (1) not correctly presenting the record, (2) not consulting with his trial attorney, and (3) not advancing the proper argument, the supreme court would have ruled differently on the issue of his presenting Underwager’s criticisms of the techniques employed by Lee in interviewing N. as he observed from the videotape.
We have concern with appellate counsel’s failure to communicate with trial counsel, particularly here, where trial counsel specifically wrote appellate counsel and noted he had several issues he felt would be successful on appeal and he stood ready to visit with her about them. A trial attorney has a particular knowledge about what happened at trial that is not easy to ascertain from the written record. This was particularly evident here where the statement of the trial record made by the appellate attorney appears to have been in error. However; the failure to communicate, standing .alone, does not mean appellate counsel was not effective and here, even though appellate counsel may have made a mistake in summarizing the trial record that trial counsel would have recognized if consulted does not necessarily entitle Hulbert to the relief he seeks.
Hulbert must still show, but for the errors, the challenged videotape and testimony would have been admitted and, when admitted, the result would have been different.
During trial, the court ruled Underwager could testify about the “good touch, bad touch, confusing touch” program,
the effect of successive interviews in a short time peri
od,
and the use of “anatomically correct” dolls
and diagrams
in interviews if he re
frained from giving his opinion as to N.’s truthfulness.
We do not address the issue of the admission of the videotape and the additional evidence from Underwager that the interviewing technique was suggestive, because we find Hulbert has failed to show the required prejudice. Lee explained her interviewing techniques. Underwager was able to testify to a number of reasons why the school program and the interviews with N. were suggestive. Additional challenges to the interview techniques would have been cumulative.
Hulbert next contends he should have been allowed to introduce Underwager’s testimony on psychological profiles of sexual offenders. He contends it would have aided the jury in understanding the personality characteristics of known child molesters and why his personality did not fall in that category.
Underwager would have testified as to the psychological profiles of known child molesters and compared Hulbert’s psychological profile with them. Underwager would have testified as to the social influences or pressures exerted on children as a result of interviews following sexual abuse allegations.
Underwager was prohibited from testifying about psychological profiles or social influences or pressures on children. This issue was raised by appellate counsel on appeal and dismissed by the supreme court.
See Hulbert, 481
N.W.2d at 332-33. Underwager contends, however; if appellate counsel had included in her appellate brief the fact the trial court had allowed the State’s witnesses to testify to the truthfulness and veracity of N., the supreme court would have found the trial court abused its discretion in the ruling. We disagree.
The next claim is, despite trial counsel’s pointing it out, appellate counsel did not raise the issue of the trial court’s refusal to allow Underwager to testify on social influences on N. No offer of proof was made of Underwager’s testimony on this issue at the trial court level. Hulbert cannot show prejudice since he failed to make an offer of proof as to the substance of Underwager’s testimony thereby permitting a determination of the effect that testimony would have had on his
case.
State v. Johnson,
812 N.W.2d 144, 147 (Iowa App.1981). Hulbert has failed to show prejudice on this issue.
Hulbert next contends appellate counsel, though raising the issue of refusal to give the spoliation instruction on the loss of the videotape, did not raise all valid arguments. The issue was raised on appeal.
Hulbert,
481 N.W.2d at 334. Hulbert contends appellate counsel failed to raise due process and fair trial arguments. The court specifically addressed the due process issue.
Id.
Hulbert cites no authority to show a fair trial argument is different or would have rendered a different result.
Hulbert next contends appellate counsel should have challenged the trial court’s refusal to grant a mistrial on destruction of evidence. The audio tape was the first recording made of an interview with N. It was made in the sheriffs office and kept in the sheriffs possession. Parts of the audio tape were erased as the result of two errors. See the discussion in
Hulbert,
481 N.W.2d at 334-35. The two erasures were not the only problem. Hulbert was told the audio tape was totally erased before trial. Then, during the trial, the audio tape turned up with the last five minutes not erased. A State’s witness claimed he cleaned his tape player and found the last minutes. Hulbert immediately asked for a mistrial. Hulbert claimed the audio tape was crucial to his case because it was the first recorded statement N. made after the allegations against Hulbert. Hul-bert contends, if they had known the audio tape was available, Underwager could have used it to critique Branstad’s interview techniques and N.’s story as it developed through successive interviews. Furthermore, Hul-bert alleged some of N.’s statements recorded on the audio tape were not consistent with the testimony she gave at trial. He argues the audio tape was said to have been destroyed on three separate occasions by the department that had custody of the audio tape, but prior to the third erasure of the tape, the sheriff and county attorney knew a portion of the audio tape remained and the tape was admitted into evidence without first disclosing its existence to Hulbert. Hul-bert’s trial attorney contends if he had known a portion of the audio tape was available, he would have changed his trial strategy. He said he would have asked Branstad questions and her testimony could have been impeached by the audio tape.
The supreme court specifically found the two audio tape erasures were negligent and not intentional,
Hulbert,
481 N.W.2d at 334, and were made when the State was attempting to help, not hinder, the defense. From the court’s opinion in
Hulbert,
it is not possible to discern whether it was aware of the third supposed erasure and the surprise appearance of the audio tape at trial and whether these facts might have east the issue in a different light. The fact the first two erasures were negligent, not intentional, has been decided. The only issue is whether, if appellate counsel had raised the issue of the mistrial, there would have been a different result. A trial court is given considerable discretion on the issue of a mistrial. The trial court was aware of the erasures, as well as the surprise appearance of the audio tape after it was said to have been destroyed, and refused to grant a mistrial.
Hulbert,
481 N.W.2d at 334-35. The trial court did not abuse its discretion in not granting a mistrial. We deny postconviction relief on this ground.
The next issue raised by Hulbert is appellate counsel was not effective because she did not raise as an issue the trial court’s refusal to include “on or about” dates in the marshaling instructions for the two counts of second-degree sexual abuse. We have considered this argument and the authorities cited as well as all other arguments raised and find no basis for reversal.
AFFIRMED.