AMENDED ORDER
SILVER, District Judge.
This matter has come before the court on appeal from the United States Bankruptcy Court for the District of Arizona. Appellant, Attorneys Hessinger and Associates, appeals Judge George B. Nielsen’s order of June 16, 1994 granting the U.S. Trustee’s motion to adjudge a Chapter 7 debtor’s prepetition agreement for postpetition payment of attorney’s fees a dischargeable debt under 11 U.S.C. § 727.
BACKGROUND
Rodger and Lori Voglio filed a voluntary petition under Chapter 7 of the United States Bankruptcy Code in the District of Arizona Bankruptcy Court on October 26, 1993.
In re Rodger A. and Lori F. Voglio Case No. 98-11068-PHX-GBN.
In June of 1993, prior to filing for bankruptcy, the Vogl-ios sought legal advice from attorney Duane Varbel. The Voglios learned of Varbel through television advertisements for his law firm’s “zero down” bankruptcy services. The Voglios followed the advice received at that initial meeting with Varbel and then returned to the firm (which was by then called Hes-singer and Associates) four months later to proceed with the Chapter 7 filing.
On October 9, 1993, before the filing of their petition for bankruptcy, the Voglios entered into a contract with Hessinger for postpetition payment of attorney’s fees of $1200.00 to be paid in monthly installments of $110.01 plus interest of one and one half percent monthly or eighteen percent annually for a total payment of $1320.19. The Voglios also issued a $150.00 check to Hes-singer for payment of their bankruptcy petition filing fee.
After the first meeting of the creditors, the Voglios began receiving letters from “Bailey Accounting” requesting payments for attorney fees. The Voglios called Hessinger to discuss the payment of attorney’s fees which resulted in a meeting with Mr. J. Murray Zeigler, a lawyer at Hessinger. On December 30, 1993 the Voglios filed a motion in the bankruptcy court expressing their concern about the adequacy of Hessinger’s legal representation. On March 16, 1994 a hearing was held at which the Voglios expressed their concerns about their lawyers and the payment of attorney’s fees. Following the hearing Mr. Zeigler withdrew as debtors’ counsel.
On March 9,1994 the U.S. Trustee submitted a motion in the District of Arizona Bankruptcy Court to determine dischargeability and the amount of the debtors’ obligation to Hessinger and Associates. A hearing on the motion was held on May 9, 1994 and Judge Nielsen granted the motion in an order dated June 16, 1994 from which Hessinger appeals to this court.
ANALYSIS
The facts are not in dispute in this case. Appellant Hessinger raises only questions of law. This court reviews the bankruptcy court’s legal decisions
de novo. In re Wade,
115 B.R. 222, 225 (9th Cir. BAP 1990).
I.
The dischargeability of a debt arising from, a prepetition agreement for postpe-tition payment of attorney’s fees.
Appellant argues that a debt arising from a prepetition agreement for postpe-
tition payment of attorney’s fees in a Chapter 7 bankruptcy proceeding does not constitute a dischargeable debt under the bankruptcy code. The code does not address this specific form of agreement for payment of attorney’s fees. However, the provisions of Sections 101(5)(A), 523, 727(b) and 362(a)(6) of the Bankruptcy Code — as they relate to discharge of debts incurred prepetition — lead the Court to conclude that such debts are legally dischargeable. We examine each pertinent section below.
Section 727(b) of the Code provides for discharge of the debtor “... from all debts that arose before the date of the order for relief under this chapter and any liability on a claim ... as if such claim had arisen before the commencement of the ease....” notwithstanding the section 523 provisions for exceptions to discharge. This section regulating the discharge of debts is “the heart of the fresh start provisions of the bankruptcy law.” H.R.Rep. No. 595, 95th Cong., 1st Sess. 384 (1977) U.S.Code Cong. & Admin.News 1978, pp. 5787, 6340. Exceptions to dischargeable debts are delineated in Section 523 of the Code and do not include, expressly or by implication, prepetition agreements for post-petition payment of attorney’s fees.
11 U.S.C. § 101(5)(A) defines a “claim” for purposes of bankruptcy as “a right to payment whether or not such a right to payment is reduced to judgment, liquidated, unliqui-dated, fixed, contingent, matured, unma-tured, disputed, undisputed, legal, equitable, secured or unsecured_” 11 U.S.C. § 101(11) defines debt as “liability on a claim.” In
Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare v. Davenport
the United States Supreme Court asserted that the definition of “debt” “reveals Congress’ intent that the meaning of “debt” and “claim” be coextensive.” 495 U.S. 552, 558, 110 S.Ct. 2126, 109 L.Ed.2d 588 (1989); S.Rep. No. 989, 95th Cong., Sess. 23 (1978); H.R.Rep. No. 595, 95th Cong., Sess. 309 (1977) U.S.Code Cong. & Admin.News 1978, pp. 5787, 5809, 6266. The Court relied on the Code’s legislative history in noting that the language of “claim” is “expansive” rather than “restrictive.”
Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare,
495 U.S. at 558, 110 S.Ct. at 2130; H.R.Rep. No. 595, 95th Cong., Sess. p. 309 (1977) U.S.Code Cong. & Admin.News 1978, pp. 5787, 6266. Furthermore, the history states that “[b]y this broadest possible definition ... the bill contemplates that
all legal obligations of the debtor,
no matter how remote or contingent, will be able to be dealt with in the bankruptcy case. It permits the broadest possible relief in the bankruptcy court.” (emphasis supplied) H.R.Rep. No. 595, 95th Cong., Sess. p. 309 (1977). S.Rep. No. 989, 95th Cong., Sess. p. 22 (1978) U.S.Code Cong. & Admin.News 1978, pp. 5787, 5808, 6266.
The prepetition agreement between Hes-singer and Associates and the Voglios gives rise to a debt for payment of attorney’s fees. Since the Voglios lacked the funds to pay this debt prepetition it became a dischargeable debt pursuant to Section 727(b) of the Code. But see
In re Mills,
170 B.R. 404 (Bankr.D.Ariz.1994).
Moreover, 11 U.S.C. § 362(a)(6) stays “any act to collect, assess, or recover a claim against the debtor that arose before the commencement of the case under this title.”
In re Torrez,
132 B.R. 924, 938 (Bankr.E.D.Cal. 1991) (11 U.S.C. § 362(a)(6) prohibits efforts to collect any prepetition claim). Thus, the language and rationale of the sections of the code noted above support the conclusion that the Voglios’ debt is legally dischargeable.
II.
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AMENDED ORDER
SILVER, District Judge.
This matter has come before the court on appeal from the United States Bankruptcy Court for the District of Arizona. Appellant, Attorneys Hessinger and Associates, appeals Judge George B. Nielsen’s order of June 16, 1994 granting the U.S. Trustee’s motion to adjudge a Chapter 7 debtor’s prepetition agreement for postpetition payment of attorney’s fees a dischargeable debt under 11 U.S.C. § 727.
BACKGROUND
Rodger and Lori Voglio filed a voluntary petition under Chapter 7 of the United States Bankruptcy Code in the District of Arizona Bankruptcy Court on October 26, 1993.
In re Rodger A. and Lori F. Voglio Case No. 98-11068-PHX-GBN.
In June of 1993, prior to filing for bankruptcy, the Vogl-ios sought legal advice from attorney Duane Varbel. The Voglios learned of Varbel through television advertisements for his law firm’s “zero down” bankruptcy services. The Voglios followed the advice received at that initial meeting with Varbel and then returned to the firm (which was by then called Hes-singer and Associates) four months later to proceed with the Chapter 7 filing.
On October 9, 1993, before the filing of their petition for bankruptcy, the Voglios entered into a contract with Hessinger for postpetition payment of attorney’s fees of $1200.00 to be paid in monthly installments of $110.01 plus interest of one and one half percent monthly or eighteen percent annually for a total payment of $1320.19. The Voglios also issued a $150.00 check to Hes-singer for payment of their bankruptcy petition filing fee.
After the first meeting of the creditors, the Voglios began receiving letters from “Bailey Accounting” requesting payments for attorney fees. The Voglios called Hessinger to discuss the payment of attorney’s fees which resulted in a meeting with Mr. J. Murray Zeigler, a lawyer at Hessinger. On December 30, 1993 the Voglios filed a motion in the bankruptcy court expressing their concern about the adequacy of Hessinger’s legal representation. On March 16, 1994 a hearing was held at which the Voglios expressed their concerns about their lawyers and the payment of attorney’s fees. Following the hearing Mr. Zeigler withdrew as debtors’ counsel.
On March 9,1994 the U.S. Trustee submitted a motion in the District of Arizona Bankruptcy Court to determine dischargeability and the amount of the debtors’ obligation to Hessinger and Associates. A hearing on the motion was held on May 9, 1994 and Judge Nielsen granted the motion in an order dated June 16, 1994 from which Hessinger appeals to this court.
ANALYSIS
The facts are not in dispute in this case. Appellant Hessinger raises only questions of law. This court reviews the bankruptcy court’s legal decisions
de novo. In re Wade,
115 B.R. 222, 225 (9th Cir. BAP 1990).
I.
The dischargeability of a debt arising from, a prepetition agreement for postpe-tition payment of attorney’s fees.
Appellant argues that a debt arising from a prepetition agreement for postpe-
tition payment of attorney’s fees in a Chapter 7 bankruptcy proceeding does not constitute a dischargeable debt under the bankruptcy code. The code does not address this specific form of agreement for payment of attorney’s fees. However, the provisions of Sections 101(5)(A), 523, 727(b) and 362(a)(6) of the Bankruptcy Code — as they relate to discharge of debts incurred prepetition — lead the Court to conclude that such debts are legally dischargeable. We examine each pertinent section below.
Section 727(b) of the Code provides for discharge of the debtor “... from all debts that arose before the date of the order for relief under this chapter and any liability on a claim ... as if such claim had arisen before the commencement of the ease....” notwithstanding the section 523 provisions for exceptions to discharge. This section regulating the discharge of debts is “the heart of the fresh start provisions of the bankruptcy law.” H.R.Rep. No. 595, 95th Cong., 1st Sess. 384 (1977) U.S.Code Cong. & Admin.News 1978, pp. 5787, 6340. Exceptions to dischargeable debts are delineated in Section 523 of the Code and do not include, expressly or by implication, prepetition agreements for post-petition payment of attorney’s fees.
11 U.S.C. § 101(5)(A) defines a “claim” for purposes of bankruptcy as “a right to payment whether or not such a right to payment is reduced to judgment, liquidated, unliqui-dated, fixed, contingent, matured, unma-tured, disputed, undisputed, legal, equitable, secured or unsecured_” 11 U.S.C. § 101(11) defines debt as “liability on a claim.” In
Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare v. Davenport
the United States Supreme Court asserted that the definition of “debt” “reveals Congress’ intent that the meaning of “debt” and “claim” be coextensive.” 495 U.S. 552, 558, 110 S.Ct. 2126, 109 L.Ed.2d 588 (1989); S.Rep. No. 989, 95th Cong., Sess. 23 (1978); H.R.Rep. No. 595, 95th Cong., Sess. 309 (1977) U.S.Code Cong. & Admin.News 1978, pp. 5787, 5809, 6266. The Court relied on the Code’s legislative history in noting that the language of “claim” is “expansive” rather than “restrictive.”
Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare,
495 U.S. at 558, 110 S.Ct. at 2130; H.R.Rep. No. 595, 95th Cong., Sess. p. 309 (1977) U.S.Code Cong. & Admin.News 1978, pp. 5787, 6266. Furthermore, the history states that “[b]y this broadest possible definition ... the bill contemplates that
all legal obligations of the debtor,
no matter how remote or contingent, will be able to be dealt with in the bankruptcy case. It permits the broadest possible relief in the bankruptcy court.” (emphasis supplied) H.R.Rep. No. 595, 95th Cong., Sess. p. 309 (1977). S.Rep. No. 989, 95th Cong., Sess. p. 22 (1978) U.S.Code Cong. & Admin.News 1978, pp. 5787, 5808, 6266.
The prepetition agreement between Hes-singer and Associates and the Voglios gives rise to a debt for payment of attorney’s fees. Since the Voglios lacked the funds to pay this debt prepetition it became a dischargeable debt pursuant to Section 727(b) of the Code. But see
In re Mills,
170 B.R. 404 (Bankr.D.Ariz.1994).
Moreover, 11 U.S.C. § 362(a)(6) stays “any act to collect, assess, or recover a claim against the debtor that arose before the commencement of the case under this title.”
In re Torrez,
132 B.R. 924, 938 (Bankr.E.D.Cal. 1991) (11 U.S.C. § 362(a)(6) prohibits efforts to collect any prepetition claim). Thus, the language and rationale of the sections of the code noted above support the conclusion that the Voglios’ debt is legally dischargeable.
II.
The attorney’s fees provisions of the Code as they relate to the ‘provisions governing discharge of debts.
The appellant maintains that in spite of the straightforward language of the discharge provisions, the provisions of the Code regulating the debtor’s transactions with attorneys
, allow for the debt incurred by the Voglios to survive discharge. Thus, the discharge provisions of the Code and those governing attorney and officer compensation create an ostensible conflict revealed here by the articulation of contrary views by two able
Arizona Bankruptcy Court Judges faced with the issue.
The Judges’ differing conclusions are more reflective of the complexity of the issue and of the competing policy considerations implicated by it than of an inadequate legal analysis by either court. While the decision in
In re Mills,
170 B.R. 404 may be justified on certain policy grounds,
In re Symes,
174 B.R. 114 (1994) is more persuasive to this court because the court in
Symes
construes and applies the pertinent statutes more strictly.
The appellant points to the provisions of 11 U.S.C. § 329 and of FRBP 2016
and FRBP 2017
as the basis for the contention that prepetition agreements for postpetition payment of attorney’s fees survive discharge. The express language of § 329, FRBP 2016 and FRBP 2017 does not limit agreements between debtors and'attorneys to prepetition payment of attorney’s fees. However, prepetition agreements for postpetition payment are not explicitly provided for either. 11 U.S.C. § 329 states:
(a) Any attorney representing a debtor in a case under this title, or in connection with such a case, whether or not such attorney applies for compensation under this title, shall file with the court a statement of the compensation paid or agreed to be paid, if such payment or agreement was made after one year before the date of the filing of the petition, for services rendered or to be rendered in contemplation of or in connection with the case by such attorney and the source of such compensation.
(b) If such compensation exceeds the reasonable value of any such services, the court may cancel any such agreement, or order the return of any such payment, to the extent excessive to—
(1) the estate, if the property transferred
(A) would have been property of the estate; or
(B) was to be paid by or on behalf of the debtor under a plan under chapter 11,12 or 13 of this title; or
(2) the entity that made such payment.
Hessinger contends: 1) the language of Section 329 is separate from and therefore not subject to the Code’s discharge provisions, 2) the language of Section 329 and FRBP 2016 and FRBP 2017 contemplate agreements such as the one at issue here and as a result, 3) such agreements are unaffected by the Code's discharge provisions. Hes-singer relies on the highly exacting requirements of § 329(a) which call for complete disclosure of attorney — debtor fee transactions. He also relies on provisions of § 329(b) authorizing court disgorgement of unreasonable fees (“cancellation provisions”) to support the proposition that § 329 contemplates prepetition agreements for postpe-tition payment of attorney’s fees. The appellant reasons that Congress would not have mandated attorney debtor agreement disclosure and court oversight of those agreements if it had intended those agreements to be ultimately subject to discharge.
Judge Case adopted this view in
In re Mills
in stating that “[t]he cancellation provisions of Section 329(b) are meaningless if Congress intended the obligations to be automatically discharged.” This court disagrees that the cancellation provisions are rendered “meaningless” and notes that there is no authority for the supposition that the cancellation provisions of section 329(b) apply only to situations involving unreasonable agreements for
post
petition payment of attorney fees.
Appellant cites the future tense language of 11 U.S.C. § 329 requiring attorney disclosure of “compensation paid or
agreed to be paid
... for services rendered or
to be rendered”
as indicative of Congress’ intent to allow for postpetition payment of attorney’s fees, (emphasis supplied). While such an interpretation has the ring of plausibility, the quoted language does not dispose of the issue before the court. The language “compensation ... agreed to be paid” applies under a variety of circumstances including prepetition agreements for
pre
petition payments, in Chapter 11 and Chapter 13 cases and to compensation to be paid pursuant to a reaffirmation agreement between a debtor and an attorney.
Further, the legislative history of 11 U.S.C. § 329 does not directly address the appellant’s position nor does it provide support for the proposition the appellant urges the court to accept. The history states “[playments to a debtor’s attorney provide serious potential for evasion of creditor protection provisions of the bankruptcy laws, and serious potential for overreaching by the debtor’s attorney, and should be subject to careful scrutiny.” H.R.Rep. No. 595, 95th Cong., 1st Sess. 329 (1977); S.Rep. No. 989, 95th Cong., 2d Sess: 39 (1978) U.S.Code Cong. & Admin.News 1978, pp. 5787, 5825, 5963, 6285. Similarly, the FRBP 2017 Advisory Committee Note is comparable to that of § 329; it states that this rule “is premised on the need for and appropriateness of judicial scrutiny of arrangements between a debtor and his attorney to protect the creditors of the estate and the debtor against overreaching by an officer of the court who is in a peculiarly advantageous position to impose on both the creditors and his client.” FRBP 2017 Advisory Committee Note.
See
Collier on Bankruptcy 8 (Lawrence P. King
ed.,
15th ed. 1995). Thus, the legislative history shows that the rationale for the stringent disclosure and oversight requirements is not to liberate prepetition debts for attorney fees from discharge but rather for the protection of the debtor, the creditors and the estate from abuses prone to occur because of the nature of the bankruptcy proceeding.
III.
Practical implications of the court’s decision.
In determining that the Voglios’ debt is dischargeable, this court acknowledges that there may be negative implications for debtors who cannot afford to pay their attorney’s fees before filing for bankruptcy. For instance, the court accepts the appellant’s rea-
soiling that debtors like the Voglios may have difficulty obtaining counsel if agreements for postpetition payment are discharged.
Nevertheless, debtors like the Voglios are not left without an alternative.
Under highly regulated circumstances, the reaffirmation provisions of the Code
permit the debtor to reaffirm a prepetition agreement which results in a discharged debt. While the
Symes
decision proffers reaffirmation as an option for debtors like the Voglios, the decision does not discuss the practical problems such agreements can present for debtors and their attorneys. 174 B.R. at 117.
Section 524(c)(3) contemplates that an attorney may represent the debtor in negotiating a reaffirmation agreement. In a situation like the Voglios’, the attorney who has been retained in the bankruptcy proceeding would also be the party requesting the reaffirmation agreement. Consequently, an attorney under those circumstances cannot represent the debtor in negotiating the reaffirmation agreement because of a conflict of interest. Moreover, the attorney is required to disclose to the debtor that there is no legal obligation to reaffirm a debt while simultaneously that attorney must rely on reaffirmation if he is to be compensated for his services. Thus, the attorney who does not want to deal with uncertainty may be deterred from representing clients who cannot afford to pay attorney’s fees prepetition.
TV.
Conclusion.
Absent specific instructions from the Code that debts for attorney’s fees incurred pre-petition should be exempt from discharge,
this court is bound to follow the plain language of the Code which unequivocally provides that a debtor is discharged . from all debts that arose before the date of the order for relief under this chapter and any liability on a claim ... as if such claim had arisen before the commencement of the case....” 11 U.S.C. § 727(b). While such a decision could discourage attorneys from providing services to individuals who are unable to pay attorney’s fees prepetition, reading a solution to this potential problem into the bankruptcy code would be an improper exercise of authority by this court. The language of § 727(b) is plain and insofar as the Code does not adequately address the debtor’s dilemma, Congress is the proper body to provide a remedy and the court would urge the Congress to supply that remedy now.
IT IS ORDERED affirming Judge George B. Nielsen’s Order of June 16, 1994 granting the U.S. Trustee’s Motion to Adjudge a Chapter 7 Debtor’s Prepetition Agreement for Postpetition Payment of Attorney’s Fees a Dischargeable Debt under 11 U.S.C. § 727.