Liacos, J.
On April 21, 1982, a judge of the Probate and Family Court vacated the appointment of Muriel F. and
Ralph D. Chaplic, Sr. (Chaplics), as guardians with custody of their son’s daughter, Lynn-Marie Chaplic, and entered a judgment appointing Arlene Freeman, the child’s maternal step-grandmother, as guardian with custody. A single justice of the Appeals Court stayed the judgment pending appeal. The Appeals Court affirmed the judgment and ordered the rescript to issue immediately.
Freeman
v.
Chaplic,
14 Mass. App. Ct. 493, 500 (1982). We granted the Chaplics’ application for further appellate review. A single justice of this court then issued an order vacating the judgment entered pursuant to the rescript of the Appeals Court and reinstated the appointment of the Chaplics, pending the decision of this court. We allowed the motion of Judith Freeman Chaplic McDonald (Judith), the child’s mother, to intervene. We reverse the judgment of the Probate and Family Court and order the reinstatement of the judgment appointing the Chaplics as guardians with custody.
We are without the benefit of a transcript of the evidence. We therefore turn to the findings of fact entered by the judge, court records of the proceedings, and an affidavit filed by the mother after the decision of the Appeals Court.
We summarize those facts that are before us. Judith Freeman and Ralph Chaplic, Jr., were married in November, 1966. They had two children before they separated in 1969. Ralph, Jr., obtained custody of the children on December 12, 1969, but left them with his parents. The Chaplics filed a petition in 1972 to vacate the order granting custody of the two children to Ralph, Jr.
Several months after the separation of Ralph, Jr., and Judith, Judith gave birth to Lynn-Marie. Judith began experiencing emotional problems and decided to live with her father, Lawrence Freeman, and her stepmother, Arlene Freeman. Arlene had married Lawrence in 1958 when Judith was ten years old. Arlene Freeman has raised a considerable number of children.
As a consequence of a decree of divorce between Judith and Ralph Chaplic, Jr., which became final on March 7, 1974, the Freemans obtained custody of Lynn-Marie. The child lived with the Freemans for seven years, except for two brief periods in the summer of 1972 and the fall of 1973 when she lived with Judith.
Judith eventually remarried and gave birth to two more children. On September 22, 1977, she filed a complaint for modification seeking to gain custody of Lynn-Marie. The Freemans assented to the modification. The Chaplics, however, objected, and a guardian ad litem was appointed. The guardian ad litem recommended that custody be granted to Judith, and Lynn-Marie went to live with Judith and her new husband. The Freemans visited frequently, and Lynn-Marie often stayed with them during school and summer vacations.
The situation changed dramatically during the spring and summer of 1981. On May 1, 1981, Judith’s father, Lawrence, died. Two months later, Judith and her second husband separated. Judith’s psychological problems became acute, and she was hospitalized. She has been under medical care for these problems since that time. Lynn-Marie resided briefly with an uncle and an aunt of the stepfather. On September 3, 1981, Lynn-Marie went to live with Arlene Freeman.
The Chaplics then filed a petition for guardianship of Lynn-Marie, to which her parents assented. On Septem
ber 21, 1981, the Chaplics were appointed guardians of Lynn-Marie with custody.
Lynn-Marie adjusted well in the Chaplics’ household. She earned excellent grades at school and participated in a range of activities. She also developed a relationship with her brother and sister, who are in the custody of the Chaplics, and has spoken with her father, who resides in Florida, by telephone.
On October 2, 1981, Freeman filed a motion to revoke the appointments and moved to have herself appointed the guardian with custody. On October 19, 1981, the judge entered an order that Freeman have liberal visitation rights, and that the Family Service Department of the Probate Court conduct an investigation. The case was continued.
During this period, Judith moved in with the Chaplics who legally adopted her on February 12, 1982. She continued to undergo treatment to correct her psychological difficulties and was hospitalized briefly. While she testified at a hearing on Freeman’s motion, she did not become a party to the proceedings.
On April 21, 1982, the judge revoked the decree appointing the Chaplics as guardians and appointed Freeman in their stead. The judge also issued findings of fact and conclusions of law. The sense of his findings is as follows. First, he found that both the Chaplics and Freeman were “fully capable” of caring for Lynn-Marie. Second, he found that Judith possessed the capacity to assent to the appointment of the Chaplics as guardians of Lynn-Marie. Third, he apparently found that the assent of the parents to the appointment of the Chaplics was entitled to little weight since the father has had little contact with Lynn-Marie, and Judith was still suffering from emotional problems. Fourth, he found that Lynn-Marie had expressed a preference to live with Freeman. Fifth, he found that the plan assented to by both of Lynn-Marie’s parents was well designed to maintain the closest possible ties between Lynn-Marie and her par
ents, siblings, and paternal grandparents, the Chaplics. Sixth, he found that the appointment of Freeman would serve the best interests of the child.
Apparently on the basis of this last finding, he vacated the appointment of the Chaplics and entered a judgment that Arlene Freeman be appointed guardian, with custody, of Lynn-Marie. Except for a brief period, however, Lynn-Marie has remained with the Chaplics by orders of single justices of the Appeals Court and this court.
1. The judge appears to have treated Freeman’s motion to vacate the appointments as arising under Mass. R. Civ. P. 60 (b), 365 Mass. 828 (1974), or its counterpart Mass. R. Dom. Rel. P. 60 (b). The purpose of that rule, however, is to relieve “a party or his legal representative from a final judgment, order, or proceeding.” Since Freeman was not a party to the original proceedings below, it is not clear whether, first, she has standing to seek relief after judgment under rule 60, or, second, whether her petition states a basis for relief under the rule. We conclude, however, that we need not resolve these questions.
We believe that Freeman’s motion could have been brought before the Probate Court by virtue of G. L. c. 201, § 33.
General Laws c. 201, § 33, gives the power to a judge of the Probate Court to remove a guardian under the circumstances specified by the statute. In
Gray
v.
Parke,
155 Mass.
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Liacos, J.
On April 21, 1982, a judge of the Probate and Family Court vacated the appointment of Muriel F. and
Ralph D. Chaplic, Sr. (Chaplics), as guardians with custody of their son’s daughter, Lynn-Marie Chaplic, and entered a judgment appointing Arlene Freeman, the child’s maternal step-grandmother, as guardian with custody. A single justice of the Appeals Court stayed the judgment pending appeal. The Appeals Court affirmed the judgment and ordered the rescript to issue immediately.
Freeman
v.
Chaplic,
14 Mass. App. Ct. 493, 500 (1982). We granted the Chaplics’ application for further appellate review. A single justice of this court then issued an order vacating the judgment entered pursuant to the rescript of the Appeals Court and reinstated the appointment of the Chaplics, pending the decision of this court. We allowed the motion of Judith Freeman Chaplic McDonald (Judith), the child’s mother, to intervene. We reverse the judgment of the Probate and Family Court and order the reinstatement of the judgment appointing the Chaplics as guardians with custody.
We are without the benefit of a transcript of the evidence. We therefore turn to the findings of fact entered by the judge, court records of the proceedings, and an affidavit filed by the mother after the decision of the Appeals Court.
We summarize those facts that are before us. Judith Freeman and Ralph Chaplic, Jr., were married in November, 1966. They had two children before they separated in 1969. Ralph, Jr., obtained custody of the children on December 12, 1969, but left them with his parents. The Chaplics filed a petition in 1972 to vacate the order granting custody of the two children to Ralph, Jr.
Several months after the separation of Ralph, Jr., and Judith, Judith gave birth to Lynn-Marie. Judith began experiencing emotional problems and decided to live with her father, Lawrence Freeman, and her stepmother, Arlene Freeman. Arlene had married Lawrence in 1958 when Judith was ten years old. Arlene Freeman has raised a considerable number of children.
As a consequence of a decree of divorce between Judith and Ralph Chaplic, Jr., which became final on March 7, 1974, the Freemans obtained custody of Lynn-Marie. The child lived with the Freemans for seven years, except for two brief periods in the summer of 1972 and the fall of 1973 when she lived with Judith.
Judith eventually remarried and gave birth to two more children. On September 22, 1977, she filed a complaint for modification seeking to gain custody of Lynn-Marie. The Freemans assented to the modification. The Chaplics, however, objected, and a guardian ad litem was appointed. The guardian ad litem recommended that custody be granted to Judith, and Lynn-Marie went to live with Judith and her new husband. The Freemans visited frequently, and Lynn-Marie often stayed with them during school and summer vacations.
The situation changed dramatically during the spring and summer of 1981. On May 1, 1981, Judith’s father, Lawrence, died. Two months later, Judith and her second husband separated. Judith’s psychological problems became acute, and she was hospitalized. She has been under medical care for these problems since that time. Lynn-Marie resided briefly with an uncle and an aunt of the stepfather. On September 3, 1981, Lynn-Marie went to live with Arlene Freeman.
The Chaplics then filed a petition for guardianship of Lynn-Marie, to which her parents assented. On Septem
ber 21, 1981, the Chaplics were appointed guardians of Lynn-Marie with custody.
Lynn-Marie adjusted well in the Chaplics’ household. She earned excellent grades at school and participated in a range of activities. She also developed a relationship with her brother and sister, who are in the custody of the Chaplics, and has spoken with her father, who resides in Florida, by telephone.
On October 2, 1981, Freeman filed a motion to revoke the appointments and moved to have herself appointed the guardian with custody. On October 19, 1981, the judge entered an order that Freeman have liberal visitation rights, and that the Family Service Department of the Probate Court conduct an investigation. The case was continued.
During this period, Judith moved in with the Chaplics who legally adopted her on February 12, 1982. She continued to undergo treatment to correct her psychological difficulties and was hospitalized briefly. While she testified at a hearing on Freeman’s motion, she did not become a party to the proceedings.
On April 21, 1982, the judge revoked the decree appointing the Chaplics as guardians and appointed Freeman in their stead. The judge also issued findings of fact and conclusions of law. The sense of his findings is as follows. First, he found that both the Chaplics and Freeman were “fully capable” of caring for Lynn-Marie. Second, he found that Judith possessed the capacity to assent to the appointment of the Chaplics as guardians of Lynn-Marie. Third, he apparently found that the assent of the parents to the appointment of the Chaplics was entitled to little weight since the father has had little contact with Lynn-Marie, and Judith was still suffering from emotional problems. Fourth, he found that Lynn-Marie had expressed a preference to live with Freeman. Fifth, he found that the plan assented to by both of Lynn-Marie’s parents was well designed to maintain the closest possible ties between Lynn-Marie and her par
ents, siblings, and paternal grandparents, the Chaplics. Sixth, he found that the appointment of Freeman would serve the best interests of the child.
Apparently on the basis of this last finding, he vacated the appointment of the Chaplics and entered a judgment that Arlene Freeman be appointed guardian, with custody, of Lynn-Marie. Except for a brief period, however, Lynn-Marie has remained with the Chaplics by orders of single justices of the Appeals Court and this court.
1. The judge appears to have treated Freeman’s motion to vacate the appointments as arising under Mass. R. Civ. P. 60 (b), 365 Mass. 828 (1974), or its counterpart Mass. R. Dom. Rel. P. 60 (b). The purpose of that rule, however, is to relieve “a party or his legal representative from a final judgment, order, or proceeding.” Since Freeman was not a party to the original proceedings below, it is not clear whether, first, she has standing to seek relief after judgment under rule 60, or, second, whether her petition states a basis for relief under the rule. We conclude, however, that we need not resolve these questions.
We believe that Freeman’s motion could have been brought before the Probate Court by virtue of G. L. c. 201, § 33.
General Laws c. 201, § 33, gives the power to a judge of the Probate Court to remove a guardian under the circumstances specified by the statute. In
Gray
v.
Parke,
155 Mass. 433, 435 (1892), we indicated that a party could act as the next friend of the ward and seek to have a guardian removed as unsuitable. In light of her concern for the
well-being of Lynn-Marie, Freeman properly could bring to the attention of the judge of the Probate Court any facts which might render the appointed guardians subject to removal. Given her longstanding relationship with the child, Freeman was able to bring additional factual matters to the attention of the judge. Hence, without considering the propriety of a rule 60 (b) motion, we conclude that the motion brought by Freeman was properly before the Probate Court. The judge did not abuse his discretion by entertaining Freeman’s motion to vacate the appointment of the Chaplics.
2. We turn now to the merits. By virtue of G. L. c. 201, § 1, a judge of the Probate Court may, “if it appears necessary or convenient,” appoint a guardian of a minor. The appointment of a guardian, however, does not extinguish the rights of the parents to the custody of their child. The question of custody is determined by reference to G. L. c. 201, § 5.
That section provides that the parents, and not the guardian, shall have custody of the child “unless the court otherwise orders.” The power of the court to “otherwise order[ ]” is circumscribed by the terms of § 5. The judge must find either that each parent has assented to an order that the guardian shall have custody or that the parents are “unfit” to have custody. Once appointed, a guardian may
be removed if he “becomes mentally ill or otherwise incapable of performing his trust or is unsuitable.” G. L. c. 201, § 33.
The question before us, then, is whether the judge was free to vacate the appointment of the Chaplics and to appoint Freeman in their stead without finding the Chaplics “unsuitable” or the parents “unfit.” Obviously, unless the guardian is found unsuitable, the second question, whether the parents are “unfit,” does not arise. There has been no finding by the judge of the Probate Court that the Chaplics were unsuitable as guardians. We consider both issues, however, because of the reasoning adopted in this case by the judge and the Appeals Court.
The Appeals Court held that the judge need not make a finding that the child’s parents are unfit before appointing a guardian with custody, despite the lack of parental consent.
Freeman
v.
Chaplic,
14 Mass. App. Ct. 493, 497 (1982).8
The court reasoned that, since “the contest is between the paternal grandparents and the maternal step-grandmother,” “[a] determination of parental unfitness to have custody is . . . of little relevance.”
Id.
at 498. Apparently relying on its view of the general equity powers of the Probate Court, it concluded that the judge was free to follow his own vision of “the best interests of the child” and appoint Freeman guardian with custody. We disagree with this approach to the issues of this case.
We consider whether the judge’s findings warrant a conclusion that the parents are unfit.
Unfit is a “strong word,”
Richards
v.
Forrest,
278 Mass. 547, 552 (1932), and that determination should not be reached easily.
Custody of a Minor,
383 Mass. 595, 601 (1981).
Bezio
v.
Patenaude,
381 Mass. 563, 575-576, 578 (1980). Cf.
Santosky
v.
Kramer,
455 U.S. 745 (1982). We approach this inquiry with reference to Judith’s ability to care for Lynn-Marie, and to the provisions that she has made for those times when she might be unable to care for the child. See
Petition of the Dep’t of Pub. Welfare to Dispense with Consent to Adoption,
383 Mass. 573, 581-582 (1981). Cf.
Moore
v.
East Cleveland,
431 U.S. 494, 504-505 (1977).
We conclude that the judge’s findings do not warrant a determination that either the parents are unfit or the guardians are unsuitable.
Those findings do not suggest that Lynn-Marie has suffered any harm or trauma as a result of living with her mother and the Chaplics. Contrast
Custody of a Minor, supra
at 601 (removal of child from foster parents would have serious deleterious effects);
Wilkins
v.
Wilkins,
324 Mass. 261, 263 (1949) (child suffered severe emotional trauma as a result of visits with her parents). Rather, the judge’s findings all point to the conclusion that Judith, with the aid of the Chaplics, is “currently fit to fur
ther the welfare and best interests of the child.”
Bezio
v.
Patenaude, supra
at 576.
Given this conclusion as to the fitness of the mother,
we are unable to see how the result reached below can be reconciled with the terms of G. L. c. 201, §§ 5 and 33. On the one hand, the parents have not assented to the award of custody to Freeman. In fact, they oppose it. On the other hand, the judge did not find that both parents were unfit to have custody, nor did he find the appointed guardians unsuitable. The statutes do not permit the judge to award custody to another guardian in these circumstances,
Bottoms
v.
Carlz,
310 Mass. 29, 33 (1941), and we decline to hold that the general equitable powers of the Probate Court may be used to circumvent the mandates of §§ 5 and 33.
We recognize that the judge is not bound to grant custody to a guardian or to maintain custody in the guardian, simply because the guardian has obtained the consent of a minor’s parents. If the guardian were determined to be “unsuitable” within the meaning of G. L. c. 201, § 33, an
award or maintenance of custody would not be appropriate under either G. L. c. 201, § 5, or § 33. In such circumstances, the judge may properly inquire into the fitness of the parents to have custody. The inability of the parents to care for the child or to make suitable arrangements for the child will be relevant. But if the parents are found to be fit, the judge is bound by the first sentence of § 5 to grant custody to them, or, in the alternative, to honor their wishes, to the extent permitted by statute, on the choice of a guardian.
We believe that this view is consistent with the principles espoused in the cases of this court as well as those of the United States Supreme Court. We have said that in certain circumstances a parent “may . . . nominate a relative or friend to care for [a] child. In the absence of unfitness of such nominees the State’s interest to justify intervention on behalf of the child is de minimis.”
Petition of the Dep’t of Pub. Welfare to Dispense with Consent to Adoption, supra
at 581-582. While the State here is not seeking custody of the child for itself, its intervention against the wishes of the parents must serve some substantial interest of the State.
Custody of a Minor, supra
at 600-601.
Moore
v.
East Cleveland, supra
at 499. As a general matter, granting custody to a party opposed by the parents where neither the parents nor the parents’ nominee is unfit or unsuitable, would not measurably advance any interest of the State and would raise serious constitutional difficulties.
We also believe that insufficient attention has been paid to the specific wishes of Judith to strengthen the natural bonds of the family. The judge found that “the plan assented to by both of Lynn-Marie’s parents was well designed to maintain the closest possible ties between Lynn-Marie and her parents, siblings and paternal grandparents.” The result of granting the Chaplics custody will be to permit Lynn-Marie to be reared in the company of her siblings and
her mother.
Thus, this case cannot simply be viewed as a contest between grandparents; the interest of the natural parent to participate in the rearing of her child is also at stake.
Our cases have accorded “considerable weight to the importance of the child’s being reared in a normal family relationship with her own next of kin.”
Bezio
v.
Patenaude, supra
at 572-573. See
Custody of a Minor (No. 1),
377 Mass. 876, 880-882 (1979). We have repeatedly held that the ties of affection which exist between a child and a person who has had custody of the child must yield to the desires of the parents to raise the child in a fit environment.
Bezio
v.
Patenaude, supra. Malkin
v.
Pine,
351 Mass. 358 (1966).
Duclos
v.
Edwards,
344 Mass. 544, 546 (1962).
Stinson
v.
Meegan,
318 Mass. 459, 465 (1945).
Gordon
v.
Gordon,
317 Mass. 471, 477 (1945).
Richards
v.
Forrest,
278 Mass. 547, 556 (1932). Contrast
Custody of a Minor,
383 Mass. 595, 601-602 (1981) (child’s preference to live with foster parents resulted from deep and irremediable psychological rift with parent). We do not discount the ties which exist by virtue of the period during which Freeman had custody of the child. But the interests of the child in being reared
with her natural family, as expressed in G. L. c. 201, § 5, and our cases, must take precedence.
We reverse the judgment of the Probate and Family Court and order the reinstatement of the judgment appointing the Chaplics as guardians with custody.
So ordered.