Eschweiler, J.
The contestants below, appellants here, raise two questions of fact: Was-the signature of Theodore W. Johnson on the instrument in question genuine? and [443]*443Then, if so, was the instrument signed by him with the intention of making his will?
On the first question, in addition to William J. Hahn and the proponent, Mrs. L. C. Hahn, who testified as subscribing witnesses, Mr. Marshall Forest and Mrs. Etta C. Thellar testified directly to the signing of this instrument by the deceased at the time. Mrs. Katherine Kempel, who was the Katie Marten mentioned in the instrument, testified to haying been present at the time of the alleged transaction and to having seen the writing in this book again on the following morning and to having called the attention of another of the then employees of Mrs. Hahn, a Mrs. Anna Becker, to it. The latter also testified to having seen the instrument on the following morning. Mr. Fred Hoernel, who at the time was employed in a hardware. store one block east of Mrs. Hahris, and a frequent visitor, testified to having had the book and the writing’ shown to him the next day by Mrs. Hahn.
■ A large number of checks, contracts, receipts, and releases in the register of deeds’ office, all shown to have the genuine signatures of the deceased, were before the jury for their consideration and comparison with the signature in question and furnished plentiful ammunition for the very interesting, at least, battle of the handwriting experts.
Reproductions and enlargements of the signature involved and the concededly genuine ones were received in evidence. There is printed herewith the following:
No. 1, a portion of the instrument which was presented for probate with the questioned signature of Theodore W. Johnson and the signatures of Mr. and Mrs. Hahn.
Nos. 2, 3, 4, and 5 were signatures of Johnson on'conveyances or instruments executed by deceased at the respective dates of August 1893, April 1894, March 1894, and No. 5 on September 10, 1895, being within four days of the date of the alleged will and described by contestants’ expert as being a standard example of 'his then signature.
Some question was raised as to the possible difference in [444]*444the signature of an individual when using pen and ink or when writing with a leadpencil as in this case. No. 6 is a photograph of the leadpencil signature to a receipt given by Mr. Johnson in September, 1915.
Nos. 7 to 12 inclusive are further specimens of his signatures written at various times in 1894 and 1915 and also used for comparison.
Nos. 13, 14, and 15, respectively, were signatures on checks made in August 1899, April 1912, and January 1916, illustrative of his special form of signature to checks, and it is conceded that there was little change, if any, in the form of such signature during all those years.
From their study of the challenged signature above reproduced and of the above given and concededly genuine signatures of Johnson, as well as of the many others in the record, the handwriting experts on behalf of the contestants were positive in their conclusion that the document in question was not signed by Johnson. They base such conclusion upon the following among other things: the difference in the' slant and form of the small e (being in the genuine signatures a vertical or Greek e) ; the form of the n, with rounding rather than sharp tops; in the spacing and connection of letters; in their slant; in the use of a round instead of an angular finish; then also the peculiar formation of the W and of the T; that the T was made with two upstrokes instead of a down-stroke as in the genuine signatures ; the combination of the T and the h and of the h and e; again, in that the alignment and height of the letters is irregular and not like the genuine; that there are patches or amendments to several of the letters, particularly in. the h in Johnson, indicating a manufactured signature; that the general picture of the questioned signature is not that of his genuine signature of that period.
The proponent’s expert, on the other hand, arrived at his positive conclusion that the questioned signature was genuine from his study of the same signatures and for his [445]*445stated reasons, that while there was no admittedly genuine signature produced that could fairly be said to be the same in all particulars with that which appeared on the document here and that there was a pictorial dissimilarity between this and the genuine, yet there were such marked similarities and unconscious peculiarities to be found in both the questioned signature and the genuine ones as to warrant his conclusion. Among such reasons were, that he found a marked similarity in the slant of the letters;' a peculiar irregular spacing between the letter o and the letters following it in both the first and last name; the formation of the T; the wider space between the initial W and .the following name than there was between the same initial and the preceding name; an apparent difficulty in writing the W; the variant forms of the / used by the deceased; the evident change as time went on in such forms of that letter as well as of his WJs. This expert says that the initial T was made with two downward strokes rather than with two upward ones as testified to on the other side. He sees also a patching of the small h as well as of the s, but neither indicates to him anything pointing to a forgery.
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[445]*445With the situation thus disclosed and uppn all the evidence, we fully agree with the tidal court in his opinion on this point wherein he says:
“T entertain no doubt that without the verdict of the jury the result would have been the same, because I think the positive testimony of witnesses whose integrity and credibility is otherwise unassailed is not outweighed or overcome by the testimony of handwriting experts who express opinions only. The testimony of honest witnesses who state that they know what they testify to is more convincing than theory. It is not likely that the testimony of the several witnesses who testify that they were present and know what took place would make up such a story. I do hot positively know whether Johnson signed the writing in question; the handwriting experts do not know; but several witnesses testify that they do know and that he did sign it, and I have no hesitancy in concluding upon the competent [446]*446evidence in that behalf that he did and that it is the duty of the court to so find. It is not incumbent upon the proponent to establish beyond all doubt that Johnson signed this writing, but only to produce a preponderance of evidence in that behalf, evidence of greater convincing power than that produced by the contestants on the proposition involved, and I am satisfied this burden has been amply met.”
We. therefore see no grounds for reversing that conclusion.
On the second issue of fact contestants contend that the trial court should either have submitted question No. 2 proposed by them and quoted above, or should have found that if the deceased did sign the instrument it was not done with the intention of making it his will, but that it was rather in the nature of a joke or with no serious intention of taking so solemn a step as providing for the disposition of his property after his death.
According to the testimony of those claiming to have been present at the time after the body of the instrument had been finished and signed, then some jocular conversation took place between the parties, resulting in the writing being added by Mrs. Hahn on the opposite page as it is quoted above: We do not deem «this subsequent incident of much significance.
Stress is laid by contestants upon what is claimed to be the unlikelihood of Johnson making such a disposition of his property as indicated in the instrument. It is true that there was no close friendship between the family of Mrs. Hahn and Mr. Johnson at any time, but apparently there was none such between the deceased and any one else. His was a solitary life by preference. Apparently he had cut himself off from all his relatives. He was without home ties then and during the rest of his life. He had been befriended and assisted by Mrs. Hahn and those associated with her in .services of an unpleasant nature and rendered to him apparently without expectation of reward. ■ So far as it now appears from the testimony, no one then believed [447]*447that what was being disposed of by the residuary clause would amount to any substantial sum. Certainly none then anticipated that whatever small amount of property the man possessed would, through what must have been his painful and persevering accretions, grow to the substantial amount now involved. Whatever it then was, it was his to dispose of as he saw fit, and nothing is shown of any sub: sequent desire to do otherwise. Deck v. Deck, 106 Wis. 470, 473, 82 N. W. 293. Its being left with Mrs. Iiahn was certainly not inconsistent with a desire that she should benefit from it. He was not overcareful, to say the least, with his own papers, as shown by their condition at the time of his death. He did not need its possession in order to lawfully revoke, nor is there any ground for suspecting that it would not have been surrendered to him upon demand.
There is nothing in the record that would warrant us in saying that the instrument was not in effect what its plain and simple language purports to be. The conclusion of the trial court on this question of fact also cannot be disturbed.
Contestants present several questions of law for consideration.
First, that the instrument offered for probate was not attested and subscribed by two or more competent witnesses in accordance with the then provisions of sec. 2282, Stats., in that Mrs. Hahn, being designated therein a beneficiary, was not a competent witness thereto, thus leaving but one competent witness, viz. William J. Hahn.
Second, that though sec. 2284, Stats., then made any gift to a subscribing witness to such a will void, it did not make her thereby a competent witness.
Third, that Mrs. Hahn as a legatee has such an interest thereunder that she is further prohibited from testifying as to its execution by reason of sec. 4069.
Fourth, that under sec. 2282 a will cannot be proven by other than competent subscribing witnesses, and therefore [448]*448the testimony of Mrs. Thellar and Mr. Forest, not subscribing witnesses but present at the time, ought not to have been received or considered in determining the question as to whether or not the will had. been executed.
Fifth, that the court erred in admitting testimony of alleged declarations and statements of Johnson subsequent to September, 1895, to the effect that he had made his will and for the benefit of the proponent.
Sixth, that there is no warrant for the allowance made for the services and expenses of the expert witness called by proponent.
It is freely conceded by both sides that the questions now before us are to be determined under the statutes as they stood and the law as it was in September, 1895, the time it is claimed the will was executed.
Sec. 2282 then read as follows:
“No will made within this state, except such nuncupative wills as are mentioned in this chapter, shall be effectual to pass any estate, whether real or personal, nor to charge or in any way affect the same, unless it be in writing and signed by the testator, or by some person in his presence, and by his express direction, and attested and subscribed in the presence of the testator by two or more competent witnesses; and if the witnesses are competent at the time of attesting the execution of the will, their subsequent incompetency, from whatever cause it may arise, shall not prevent the probate and allowance of the will, if it be otherwise satisfactorily proved.”
Sec. 2284 read:
“All beneficial devises, legacies and gifts whatsoever, .made or given in any will to a subscribing witness thereto, shall be wholly void, unless there be two other competent subscribing witnesses, to the same; but a mere charge on the lands of the devisor, for the payment of debts, shall not prevent his creditors from being competent witnesses to his will.”
Sec. 4069, so far as material here, read:
“No party, and no person from, through or under whom a party derives his interest or title, shall be examined as a [449]*449witness in respect to any transaction or communication by him personally with a deceased ,person, ... in any civil action or proceeding in which the opposite party derives his title, or sustains his liability, to the cause of action from, through or under such deceased person . . . unless, ...”
Sec. 4068 then read:
“No person shall be disqualified as a witness in any action or proceeding, civil or criminal, by reason of his interest in the event of the same, as a party or otherwise; and every party shall be in every such case a competent witness, except as otherwise provided in this chapter. But such interest or connection may be shown to affect the credibility of. the witness.”
In the Territorial Statutes of 1839 complete provisions were made both as to the required manner of the execution and of the proof of wills. One such (§ 25, p. 182), providing in substance the same as sec. 2284, supra, ended with these words: “and such person shall be admitted as a witness to the execution of such will or codicil, such devise, legacy, estate, interest, gift or appointment notwithstanding.”
■ By the revision of 1849 this subject matter was rewritten into substantially the present form of secs. 2282 and 2284, supra, with the kindred statutes now found in ch. 103 of the Statutes, relating to wills, including sec. 2285, which saves to a subscribing witness, who in case of intestacy would take a share in the estate, such proportion of such share as would not exceed the specified provision of the will. In such revision, however, the words last quoted' from the then sec. 25 were dropped out and no similar express provision subsequently appears in the Statutes.
From such omission contestants argue that the legislature thereby indicated an intention to revoke the former competency of such interested subscribing witness and to thereby reinstate the common-law rule that any one, either a party or witness, having a direct pecuniary interest in the event of the particular litigation was incompetent to testify therein.
[450]*450The well established rule of the common law which disqualified such interested persons, either parties or witnesses, was strictly adhered to in this state except as modified by statute. Smith v. Swarthout, 15 Wis. 550, 552. Provisions had been made, however, from early days that an adverse party might' be examined as a witness before trial or upon the trial on prior notice to that effect, -either of which events qualified the 'other party to be examined on his own behalf, and also that a party might in certain cases be examined on his own behalf upon giving notice of intention so to do, and further provisions lifted the disqualification as to persons interested in certain public and other corporations. •
That this common-law rule was firmly intrenched in this state is evidenced by the slow process by which it was removed.
The general lifting of this disqualification as to witnesses began by "sec. 300, ch. 120, Laws 1856, providing: “No person offered as a witness shall be excluded by reason of his interest in the event of the action,” but the following section thereto provided that such sec. 300 should not apply to a party to the action nor to any person for whose immediate benefit it is prosecuted or defended.
It was extencled generally as to parties by sec. 50, ch. 137, R. S. 1858, wherein it was provided, “No person shall be disqualified . . . »by reason of his interest in the event of the same as a party or otherwise, except in cases,” etc.
Up to this time such relieving statutes had not been made applicable to criminal proceedings. By ch. 274, Laws 1861, the defendant in a criminal action for assault and battery was given the right to be examined as a witness in his own behalf where the assaulted person was a witness for the prosecution, and by ch. 72, Laws 1869, first appeared what is now in substance sec. 4071, Stats., permitting the accused, at his own request, in all criminal actions and proceedings to be a competent witness. This broadening of the relieving statutes to criminal as well as civil proceed[451]*451ings seems first to have been carried into the general statute, what is now sec. 4068, by the revision of 1878, evidently to make it harmonize with the change of the law in 1869.
Giving due weight to any possible significance from the dropping of the phrase above quoted from the chapter on Wills of 1839 and the firmness with which the common-law rule was upheld in our practice, we are nevertheless constrained to hold that sec. 2284 as it stood in 1895 made Mrs. Hahn a competent subscribing witness, and that any common-law disqualification on the ground of her interest in the event of the litigation was wiped out by sec. 4068, supra.
To hold that sec. 2284, supra, merely made the gift void and left the witness still incompetent would make such statute an idle ceremony, for as against the loss to the designated beneficiary there would be no resulting benefit to any one else nor any promotion of the public policy so often declared of effectuating, where possible, the expressed wishes of a testator. Will of Dardis, 135 Wis. 457, 115 N. W. 332; Will of Rice, 150 Wis. 401, 136 N. W. 956, 137 N. W. 778; Estate of Staab, 166 Wis. 587, 166 N. W. 326.
Having reached this conclusion as to the effect to be given to sec. 2284, we cannot well avoid the further step that she is not excluded from so testifying by the provisions of sec. 4069, supra, as it is urged she is by contestants’ third point above stated.
It has been held in former decisions that this particular statute does apply generally to the testimony of persons interested in the estate, the subject óf the litigation in probate proceedings. Goerke v. Goerke, 80 Wis. 516, 519, 50 N. W. 345; Valentine’s Will, 93 Wis. 45, 51, 67 N. W. 12; Will of Pullen, 166 Wis. 254, 258, 165 N. W. 25.
It is suggested arguendo only in Goerke v. Goerke, 80 Wis. 516, 520, 50 N. W. 345, that it might apply to the [452]*452testimony of subscribing witnesses to a will, but the point here involvéd has not been directly before the court in any former decision. Now being required to dispose of it, we are of the view that sec. 4069 does not apply to the particular form of such a transaction as is involved in the attesting of a will by becoming a subscribing witness thereto, and for the reason that such an act, if it be a transaction with the deceased, is nevertheless saved from the effect of that section by being the subject of particular and special consideration by secs. 2282 and 2284, supra, in the separate chapter on Wills. The same result was reached in the case of Knutson’s Estate (Minn.) 174 N. W. 617, and Hudson v. Flood, 28 Del. 450, 94 Atl. 760, where a full discussion is found. To the same effect, also, Wilson’s Will, 103 N. Y. 374, 8 N. E. 731; Loder v. Whelpley, 111 N. Y. 239, 245, 18 N. E. 874; In re Kindberg, 207 N. Y. 220, 226, 100 N. E. 789; Brown v. Carroll, 36 Ga. 568; Henry v. Hall, 106 Ala. 84, 101, 17 South. 187; Vester v. Collins, 101 N. C. 114, 7 S. E. 687.
Much reliance was placed by appellants upon the cases from Massachusetts, particularly Crowell v. Tuttle, 218 Mass. 445, 105 N. E. 980, that case holding that a designated beneficiary in such an instrument was not a competent and credible witness to the same. Such decisions, however, are not controlling here in view of the substantial difference under the Massachusetts law from that here, namely, that under the relieving statute of Massachusetts, similar to our sec. 4068, supra, it is expressly provided that such statute “shall, not apply to the attesting witness to a will or a codicil.” See secs. 13 and 15, ch. 131, Gen. Stats. Mass. 1860, and secs. 20 and 23, ch. 175, Rev. Laws Mass. 1902.
Having held that Mrs. Hahn was a competent subscribing witness, the objection urged under the fourth point to the admission of the testimony of Mrs. Thellar and Mr. Forest as to the execution of the will becomes immaterial. [453]*453Their testimony in any event was properly received on the issue being raised as to the genuineness of the signature of the deceased to the instrument in question, they having testified to having seen it so signed.
Upon the appeal from the judgment in this case the one question at issue and before us is as to whether or not the instrument propounded as a will should be admitted to probate. Farmer v. Sprague, 57 Wis. 324, 15 N. W. 382; Will of Battis, 143 Wis. 234, 126 N. W. 9. Whether Mrs. Hahn, being now held to be á competent subscribing witness, shall or shall not take under the will now admitted, or what effect, if any, the amendment to sec: 2284 which has been made since 1895 in striking out the word “subscribing” as it appears between the words “competent” and “witness,” may have, is not necessarily or properly before us and we express no opinion thereon. Both sides in this litigation have expressly refrained from taking positions that might be subsequently embarrassing for manifestly cogent reasons, and we are satisfied to so leave the question^ “Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.”
The objection under the fifth point stated to the admission of post-testamentary declarations of deceased to the effect that he had made a will and for the benefit of the proponent cannot be sustained.
It is well established that subsequent declarations of a testator are admissible to prove the existence or contents of a will alleged to.be lost. Cassoday, Wills, §§ 314, 325; Valentine’s Will, 93 Wis. 45, 53, 67 N. W. 12; Steinke’s Will, 95 Wis. 121, 126, 70 N. W. 61; Gavitt v. Moulton, 119 Wis. 35, 51, 96 N. W. 395; Jones v. Roberts, 96 Wis. 427, 433, 70 N. W. 685, 71 N. W. 883; Aldrich v. Aldrich, 215 Mass. 164, 170, 102 N. E. 487.
Being admissible on such issue, we see no reason why they are not equally admissible on the question here raised as to whether the propounded instrument was the genuine will of deceased.
[454]*454We think the objection is well taken under the sixth point, to the allowance to be paid out of the body of the estate of fees for services and expenses of proponent’s handwriting expert. Power to award costs in probate proceedings is entirely statutory. Donges’s Estate, 103 Wis. 497, 513, 79 N. W. 786; 40 Cyc. 1362; Sears v. Nahant, 215 Mass. 234, 238, 102 N. E. 491.
No statute has been called to our attention, nor can we find any; that warrants the allowance of such an item. That the allowance out of the estate of proponent’s counsel fees is based upon- the legislative authority under sec. 4041 & is quite a strong indication of the need of similar legisla-, five authority for the allowance of such items as here in question.
The order admitting the instrument to probate being now upheld, the allowance to counsel for proponent was properly made.
By the Court. — The judgment of the circuit court granting probate of the instrument as the last will and testament of Theodore W. Johnson and the order allowing counsel fees are each affirmed. The order allowing compensation to proponent’s witness is reversed; proponent to have her coits in. this court.