Commissioners v. Whistelo

3 Wheel. Cr. Cas. 194
CourtNew York Court of General Session of the Peace
DecidedAugust 15, 1808
StatusPublished
Cited by1 cases

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Bluebook
Commissioners v. Whistelo, 3 Wheel. Cr. Cas. 194 (N.Y. Super. Ct. 1808).

Opinion

Vanhook, counsel for the Commissioners of the Almshouse, made, a short opening of the case. He said the points upon which it had been drawn into doubt, and which occasioned the reference to the decision of this [195]*195court, were two: First, whether the witness was to be believed. Secondty, whether the fact she swore to was possible. He observed that although many witnesses of}" learning and experience in such subjects had been called to give their opinions for the satisfaction of the court, yet he conceived it to be a matter on which technical know[196]*196ledge could not throw much light; and that each of the members who composed the court were as well able to form a correct opinion as any professional man whatever. The woman had already sworn positively ; and [197]*197evidence of opinion that went to contradict a positive oath should be received with many grains of caution—• the more so, as those opinions would probably be op[198]*198posed by others of very great authority. But he thought, unless the woman could be otherwise discredited, such opinions, opposed to positive testimony, were of little weight, and ought to fall to the ground.

Lucy Williams was then called and sworn;—the child an(i the reputed father, Whistelo, were also produced.

Question, by. Vanhook. Do you know Alexander Whistelo ?

Answer. Yes.

Q. Tell the court whether he visited you ; at what time ; and what the result was ?

A. It will be two years this August since the time I first saw him ; he then told me lie was a married man divorced from his wife, and never intended to live with her again.

Q. Did he say he wished to marry you ?

A. Yes; both before he went to sea and after he [199]*199came back, man, and-He told others so also; he told Mrs. Hoff-

Q. Did you consent to marry him, or did you refuse ?

A. I refused ; for I did not choose to have him—I did not love him. He then carried me to a backhouse, and locked the door—I scuffled with him a long time, but at last he worried me out. He went after that to sea, and after he came back I told him I was with child.

Q. When was the child born ?
A. The 23d of January, 1807.
Q. What was the day on which the affair you have related took place ?

A. The 13th of April, 1806, on Sunday evening. Whistelo first took the child to himself; but afterwards, when they put it into his head that it was not his, he refused to maintain it.

Cross-examined by Morton.

Q. Did he ever say it was his child ?
A. No ; but he took it at first.

Q. You say you became acquainted with him in August, 1806, how do you know the child was got on the 13th of April—how long after that was it till Whistelo went to sea ?

A. On the 1st of May following.
Q. When did.you next see him ?
A. Not till the 4th of August following.
Q. When did you first perceive that you was pregnant?
A. Before his return.
Q. How did you know it ?
A. By feeling life.
Q. When did you first feel that symptom ?
A. Near two months before he returned.
Q. Then it was one month after he went away ?
A. Yes.
Q. Did he not go a third time to sea ?

A. Yes, in October : and he was gone for the fourth time about eight days when the child was born.

Q. You went to a bad house—how do you know it was a bad house where he took you ?
A. Because no other would take in a man with a strange woman in that manner.

[200]*200Q. Then you went to a bad house knowingly with him ?

A. I thought he was taking me to his cousin Mrs. Grough’s.

Q. Were you always constant to him in his absence : were you never unfaithful to him when he was away ?

A. I never did when he was at sea.
Q. Had you not a white man in bed with you.
A. I had a scuffle with one once—I knocked off his hat. i

The witness being pressed by the examination of Mr. Morton, at length confessed that such a person had been in bed with her: that he had turned the black man out with a pistol, and taken his place—that they had a connexion ; but she said she was sure they had made no young one, for thejfit (fought) all the while. She said if the clerk had been at home he would not have used her so.

Q■ Why, did you cry out ?

A. No, I did not hallo.

; Q. Then what did you do to prevent him from executing his purpose ?

A■ I bid him be quiet.

Q. Is the child a boy or a girl ?
A. A girl.
Q. Of what colour were your parents ?

A. My father was white ; he was a Scotchman, a servant ; and my mother was a dark sambo.

Q. How did the scuffling end-—you understand me— did you part friends with the white man ?

A. He owes me four dollars which he would not pay.
Q. Was that your eharge ?
A. He owes it to me for wages.
Q. But you took it out in scuffling ?

Dr. Kissam sworn.—After examining those parts of the child which particularly indicate the colour of the race, said, he should not suppose, judging from the general rulés of experience, that it was the child of that black man ; but on the contrary of one of lighter complexion than the mother. Black persons are almost -white at their birth, but change soon after.

[201]*201Question, by Sampson.—How soon is the change generally complete, and their true colour decided 1

A. Generally about eight or nine months. Within the year it is complete.

Dr .Hosack sworn.—From the appearance of the father, the mother, and the child, and the laws of nature which he had uniformly observed in such cases, he certainly would not take it for the child of a black man. But would say it was that of a white one, or at most of a very fair mulatto.

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