GALLAGHER, Associate Judge:
The owners of the Willard Hotel on Pennsylvania Avenue in this city (appel-lees) (sought an injunction in the trial court to compel the issuance of a permit authorizing the removal of all nonstructural elements of the hotel. The trial court in a memorandum opinion granting summary judgment in favor of the hotel owners ordered the issuance of a permit “to demolish the non-structural elements” of the hotel. We affirm.
The Willard Hotel has been vacant and boarded up for several years. The owners applied for a permit to demolish the nonstructural elements of the hotel. The Chief of the Permit Branch in the Bureau of Licenses and Inspections submitted the application to 'the Commission of Fine Arts,
apparently because the building is located in the Shipstead-Luce Act (the Act)
area of the city.
Under this Act, insofar as pertinent, it is the duty of the
Fine Arts Commission to make recommendations to the Mayor-Commissioner of the District of Columbia on applications for permits for the “erection or alteration” of any building in certain areas of the city including the portion of Pennsylvania Avenue where this hotel is located. The Fine Arts Commission made this recommendation :
Do not issue Permit:
Removal of exterior architectural features of this
historic landmark
is not recommended. Defacing or incompatible
alteration of this facade
is not in the public interest. (Emphasis added.)
Upon being advised by the Chief of the Permit Branch that the permit would not be issued the owners appealed to the May- or-Commissioner (appellant). The May- or-Commissioner later by letter advised the owners that a permit would be authorized “for removal of existing nonstructural interior partitions, ceilings, plumbing and electrical elements” but a permit for “removal of ‘nonstructural elements of all facades’ ” was denied.
The owners then filed suit in the trial court to compel issuance of the permit sought.
In pertinent part, the Shipstead-Luce Act provides:
[T]he planning and development of the capital city . . . should proceed along the lines of good order, good taste, and with due regard to the public interests involved, and a reasonable degree of control should be exercised over the architecture of private or semi-public buildings adjacent to public buildings and grounds of major importance. To this end, when application is made for permit for the erection or alteration of any building, any portion of which is to front or abut . . . the portion of Pennsylvania Avenue extending from the Capitol to the White House . the plans therefor, so far as they relate to height and appearance, color, and texture of the materials of exterior construction, shall be submitted by the commissioner of the District of Columbia to the Commission of Fine Arts; and the said commission shall report promptly to said commissioner its recommedations, including such changes, if any, as in its judgment are necessary to prevent reasonably avoidable impairment to the public values belonging to such public building or park ....
It is important to say at the outset that the government acknowledges the right of the owners to raze the entire structure. But, says the government, the owners “proposal to strip the Willard Hotel down to its skeletal frame constitutes an ‘alteration’ within the purview of that Act.” In fact, continues the government, the Fine Arts Commission specifically characterized the “proposed action as an ‘incompatible alteration of this [the Willard Hotel’s ] facade’ and as such ‘not in the public interest.’ ” It is contended that the ultimate issue before us is whether there is a reasonable basis for the Commission’s interpretation of the Shipstead-Luce Act; and that, if so, the trial court erred in overturning it. We think this statement of the issue is probably fair enough, though the Commission affords us no reasoning leading to this administrative interpretation which normally should be available to us. It is one thing to remind an appellate court of the familiar rule that an agency’s interpretation of its regulations and the statute it administers is entitled to deference but this is not
to say the agency need not lay open the reasons behind its interpretation.
Tracing the responses to the permit application by the Fine Arts Commission, the Permit Branch and the Mayor-Commissioner reveals a thread which led the government to an erroneous conclusion.
In recommending against issuance of the permit the Fine Arts Commission said:
Defacing or
incompatible
alteration
of this
facade
is not in the public interest. (Emphasis added.)
The Permit Branch later stated to the owners:
The Fine Arts Commission has responded to your application for permit
to remodel
the Willard Hotel as follows:
[U]nless 'you present plans for the
exterior treatment of this structure
that are acceptable to the Commission of Fine Arts, a permit will not be issued. (Emphasis added.)
This was followed by the letter ruling from the Mayor-Commissioner denying the permit, which said:
If it develops . . . that exploration essential to preparing necessary drawings for
remodeling
the building cannot reasonably be accomplished without removal of some of the exterior facade, I would, upon such a showing accompanied by appropriate plans, be happy to reconsider your application. (Emphasis added.)
The difficulty with these governmental responses is they treat the hotel owners’ application as an effort to secure permission to remodel the Willard in some fashion or change its facade. This is not the situation. The owners wish a permit to demolish the hotel down to the steel girders and joists. The structural foundation and iron work are to be retained for use in erecting a new building, if upon exploration their retention proves feasible.
This would hardly be a remodeling operation nor would it be a change in the facade of the Willard Hotel. Demolition of the hotel’s facade would not alter it—the facade would be obliterated.
Under the Shipstead-Luce Act, the function of the Fine Arts Commission is confined, essentially, to recommendations concerning applications for permits for “the
erection
or alteration
of any building [within the prescribed area of the city] ... so far as [the plans therefor] relate to
height
and
appearance, color,
and
texture of the materials of exterior construction . . .
,”
(Emphasis added.)
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GALLAGHER, Associate Judge:
The owners of the Willard Hotel on Pennsylvania Avenue in this city (appel-lees) (sought an injunction in the trial court to compel the issuance of a permit authorizing the removal of all nonstructural elements of the hotel. The trial court in a memorandum opinion granting summary judgment in favor of the hotel owners ordered the issuance of a permit “to demolish the non-structural elements” of the hotel. We affirm.
The Willard Hotel has been vacant and boarded up for several years. The owners applied for a permit to demolish the nonstructural elements of the hotel. The Chief of the Permit Branch in the Bureau of Licenses and Inspections submitted the application to 'the Commission of Fine Arts,
apparently because the building is located in the Shipstead-Luce Act (the Act)
area of the city.
Under this Act, insofar as pertinent, it is the duty of the
Fine Arts Commission to make recommendations to the Mayor-Commissioner of the District of Columbia on applications for permits for the “erection or alteration” of any building in certain areas of the city including the portion of Pennsylvania Avenue where this hotel is located. The Fine Arts Commission made this recommendation :
Do not issue Permit:
Removal of exterior architectural features of this
historic landmark
is not recommended. Defacing or incompatible
alteration of this facade
is not in the public interest. (Emphasis added.)
Upon being advised by the Chief of the Permit Branch that the permit would not be issued the owners appealed to the May- or-Commissioner (appellant). The May- or-Commissioner later by letter advised the owners that a permit would be authorized “for removal of existing nonstructural interior partitions, ceilings, plumbing and electrical elements” but a permit for “removal of ‘nonstructural elements of all facades’ ” was denied.
The owners then filed suit in the trial court to compel issuance of the permit sought.
In pertinent part, the Shipstead-Luce Act provides:
[T]he planning and development of the capital city . . . should proceed along the lines of good order, good taste, and with due regard to the public interests involved, and a reasonable degree of control should be exercised over the architecture of private or semi-public buildings adjacent to public buildings and grounds of major importance. To this end, when application is made for permit for the erection or alteration of any building, any portion of which is to front or abut . . . the portion of Pennsylvania Avenue extending from the Capitol to the White House . the plans therefor, so far as they relate to height and appearance, color, and texture of the materials of exterior construction, shall be submitted by the commissioner of the District of Columbia to the Commission of Fine Arts; and the said commission shall report promptly to said commissioner its recommedations, including such changes, if any, as in its judgment are necessary to prevent reasonably avoidable impairment to the public values belonging to such public building or park ....
It is important to say at the outset that the government acknowledges the right of the owners to raze the entire structure. But, says the government, the owners “proposal to strip the Willard Hotel down to its skeletal frame constitutes an ‘alteration’ within the purview of that Act.” In fact, continues the government, the Fine Arts Commission specifically characterized the “proposed action as an ‘incompatible alteration of this [the Willard Hotel’s ] facade’ and as such ‘not in the public interest.’ ” It is contended that the ultimate issue before us is whether there is a reasonable basis for the Commission’s interpretation of the Shipstead-Luce Act; and that, if so, the trial court erred in overturning it. We think this statement of the issue is probably fair enough, though the Commission affords us no reasoning leading to this administrative interpretation which normally should be available to us. It is one thing to remind an appellate court of the familiar rule that an agency’s interpretation of its regulations and the statute it administers is entitled to deference but this is not
to say the agency need not lay open the reasons behind its interpretation.
Tracing the responses to the permit application by the Fine Arts Commission, the Permit Branch and the Mayor-Commissioner reveals a thread which led the government to an erroneous conclusion.
In recommending against issuance of the permit the Fine Arts Commission said:
Defacing or
incompatible
alteration
of this
facade
is not in the public interest. (Emphasis added.)
The Permit Branch later stated to the owners:
The Fine Arts Commission has responded to your application for permit
to remodel
the Willard Hotel as follows:
[U]nless 'you present plans for the
exterior treatment of this structure
that are acceptable to the Commission of Fine Arts, a permit will not be issued. (Emphasis added.)
This was followed by the letter ruling from the Mayor-Commissioner denying the permit, which said:
If it develops . . . that exploration essential to preparing necessary drawings for
remodeling
the building cannot reasonably be accomplished without removal of some of the exterior facade, I would, upon such a showing accompanied by appropriate plans, be happy to reconsider your application. (Emphasis added.)
The difficulty with these governmental responses is they treat the hotel owners’ application as an effort to secure permission to remodel the Willard in some fashion or change its facade. This is not the situation. The owners wish a permit to demolish the hotel down to the steel girders and joists. The structural foundation and iron work are to be retained for use in erecting a new building, if upon exploration their retention proves feasible.
This would hardly be a remodeling operation nor would it be a change in the facade of the Willard Hotel. Demolition of the hotel’s facade would not alter it—the facade would be obliterated.
Under the Shipstead-Luce Act, the function of the Fine Arts Commission is confined, essentially, to recommendations concerning applications for permits for “the
erection
or alteration
of any building [within the prescribed area of the city] ... so far as [the plans therefor] relate to
height
and
appearance, color,
and
texture of the materials of exterior construction . . .
,”
(Emphasis added.)
What the problem comes down to is whether what the owners seek to do is an “alteration” of the “height and appearance, color and texture of the materials of exterior construction” of the hotel. We think not. We think the Fine Arts Commission, the Permit Branch and the May- or-Commissioner were incorrect in considering the application as a request for “alteration of [the] facade”, or for “remodeling” of the building, or as a plan for the “exterior treatment of [the] structure.” It was neither of these. Rather, as the trial court put it, the owners “seek to demolish all but the girders and joists and
then
construct a new building using the structural foundation and iron work of the old building. Once [the owners] have prepared the plans and want to begin' construction of the new building, they will submit the plans for the Commission’s approval or recommendations.”
(Emphasis in text). As the trial court said, the word “alteration” in the Act “means change in the
sense of adding to, remodeling or reconstruction.”
While the application for a permit does not go to a "razing” in the usual total sense, we think that for the purposes of the Act the result is the same since the governmental control is confined only to the
exterior appearance
of buildings. Here, the exterior appearance would be removed, not altered, by demolition. It will be recalled at this point that the government freely concedes the owners have a right to raze the entire structure, which viewed realistically, brings into focus the error of the government’s position. Where we diverge from the government is when it takes the position that the owners “do not seek demolition” but rather “seek to alter the building.” The reach of the Act extends only to exterior appearance and, as to this, there will be a demolition.
The government says the owners have a perfect right to raze the building but only if they go all the way and demolish the steel girders in the process, and then erect a new building. This position is not very realistic — all other considerations aside.
In our view of the Act, the construction of it given here by the Fine Arts Commission is not “such a reasonable official interpretation ... of the Commission’s authority as to preclude judicial repudiation.” Stanley Company of America v. Tobriner, 111 U.S.App.D.C. 404, 407, 298 F.2d 318, 321 (1961). After giving the administrative interpretation the due respect to which it is entitled
Cook v. James E. Griffith, Inc., D.C.App., 193 A.2d 427, 428 (1963), our difference with it is to a degree requiring us to consider it clearly wrong.
It is not as though the Fine Arts Commission will not be able to exercise its responsibility on the appearance of any new structure to occupy that architecturally significant corner in this city. The Commission certainly will, as the plans must be submitted to it before construction begins. Especially because of the location of this particular site the Commission would doubtless be as discriminating as the site demands in the matter of any future structure’s appearance.
There may well be those who think it lamentable that this handsome old hotel may soon be demolished.
Retention of fine architecture, especially in the capital city of a relatively young country such as ours, lends a certain stability and cultural conti
nuity, which can only contribute over the years to national substance. If one looks at the architecture of a city and sees only the present, the feeling of character is missing. Once the earlier architecture is demolished there is no retrieving it.
This is not the problem for us, however. We consider that, as matters stand, to deny the requested permit would raise the spectre of a taking without due process of law. The judgment of the trial court is consequently
Affirmed.