Mr. Justice Day
delivered the opinion of the court.
This is a writ of certiorari to the Circuit Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. The case concerns a prose
cution commenced in the Circuit Court of the United States for the Southern District of New York by the finding of two indictments against the petitioner herein charging perjury in a bankruptcy proceeding. Upon trial the defendant, Cameron, was convicted and sentenced and upon writ of error the judgment of the Circuit Court was affirmed by the Circuit Court of Appeals. 192 Fed. Rep. 548.
The first indictment, after setting forth the proceedings in bankruptcy against the Knickerbocker Piano Company, of which the defendant was president and treasurer, alleged that he, upon inquiry under oath before a special examiner and commissioner, appointed under § 21a of the Bankruptcy Act, prior to adjudication, testified:
“First. That he, the said Albert B. Cameron, the aforesaid witness, shortly prior to the filing of the aforesaid petition in bankruptcy, against the said Knickerbocker Piano Company, had sold a number of pianos to William C. Smith, the petitioner in bankruptcy aforesaid.
“Second. That he, the said Albert B. Cameron, the witness aforesaid, had a conversation with the said William C. Smith, concerning the sale to him of pianos by him, the said Albert B. Cameron.
“Third. That he, the said Albert B. Cameron, the aforesaid witness, had sold to the said William C. Smith, eight pianos for the sum of sixliundred and sixty-eight dollars.”
And it alleged that the defendant thereby committed perjury.
By the second indictment the defendant is said to have committed perjury in a proceeding before the referee in testifying:
“First. That he, the said Albert B. Cameron, had not been able to obtain the address of the said William C. Smith and ha'd never known the said address.
“Second. That he, the said Albert B. Cameron, had
had a conversation or conversations with the said William C. Smith in regard to his, the said William C. Smith’s buying pianos of and from the said alleged bankrupt.”
The two indictments were consolidated and, the defendant pleading not guilty, trial was had and a verdict of guilty returned upon which judgment was rendered.
The petitioner contends that the Bankruptcy Act does not authorize the proceeding before the commissioner prior to the adjudication. The record discloses that a receiver had been duly appointed of the assets and effects of the bankrupt and that he had applied to the court under § 21a of the Bankruptcy Act of 1898 for an order requiring the bankrupt, its officers and directors, to appear before a special examiner and commissioner to be examined concerning the property of the bankrupt and the acts and conduct of its officials. The court made the order requested and appointed the special examiner and commissioner, before whom Cameron appeared and testified, giving, in the course of his examination, the testimony charged in the first indictment to be false. This proceeding was prior to the adjudication in bankruptcy, which followed a few days later. Whether the examination of Cameron upon oath at that stage of the proceedings was authorized by the Bankruptcy Act depends upon a construction of clause
a,
§ 21, of the act, which provides, in part, as follows:
“A court of bankruptcy may, upon application of any officer, bankrupt, or creditor, by order require any designated person, including the bankrupt and his wife, to appear in court or before a referee or the judge of any state court, to be examined concerning the acts, conduct, or property of a bankrupt whose estate is in process of administration under this act.”
The controversy is over the meaning of the phrase, “a bankrupt whose estate is in process of administration under this act.” The construction of this provision dif
fers in the Federal courts, some of them having held that there can be no such examination until after adjudication, as it is only then that the bankrupt can be subjected to such proceeding. Of this class are
Skubinsky
v.
Bodek,
172 Fed. Rep. 332;
Podolin
v.
McGettigan,
193 Fed. Rep. 1021;
In re Thompson,
179 Fed. Rep. 874;
In re Davidson,
158 Fed. Rep. 678;
In re Crenshaw,
155 Fed. Rep. 271. To the opposite view are
In re Fixen,
96 Fed. Rep. 748;
In re Fleischer,
151 Fed. Rep. 81;
Ex parte Bick,
155 Fed. Rep. 908;
Wechsler
v.
United States,
158 Fed. Rep. 579;
United States
v.
Liberman,
176 Fed. Rep. 161. We are of opinion that the estate was in process of administration at the time when the examination before the commissioner was ordered and the testimony of Cameron given. This court has decided that the filing of the petition in bankruptcy operates to place the property of the alleged bankrupt
in custodia legis
and prevents any creditor from attaching it; and, although by the terms of the act the estate does not vest in the trustee until the date of the adjudication, it is placed at the time of the filing of the petition under the control of the court with a view to its ultimate distribution among creditors.
Acme Harvester Co.
v.
Beekman Lumber Co.,
222 U. S. 300, 307; and see
Mueller
v.
Nugent,
184 U. S. 1, 14;
Everett
v.
Judson,
228 U. S. 474, 478, 479. And this is true, notwithstanding, as contended by the petitioner, that should the attempt to obtain an adjudication of bankruptcy fail upon the subsequent hearings, the receivership would necessarily be vacated and the property turned back to the alleged bankrupt.
In order to -arrive at the true meaning of § 21a other provisions as well as the purpose of the act must be had in view. The object of the examination of the bankrupt and. other witnesses to show the condition of the estate is to enable the court to discover its extent and whereabouts, and to come into possession of it, that the rights of creditors may be preserved. If such examination is postponed
until after adjudication, which may not take place for at least twenty days, within which the bankrupt in involuntary bankruptcy is given leave to appear and plead, the estate may be concealed and disposed of and the purpose of the act to hold it and to distribute it for the benefit of creditors defeated; The importance of such early examination of bankrupts was emphasized in
In re Fleischer, supra.
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Mr. Justice Day
delivered the opinion of the court.
This is a writ of certiorari to the Circuit Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. The case concerns a prose
cution commenced in the Circuit Court of the United States for the Southern District of New York by the finding of two indictments against the petitioner herein charging perjury in a bankruptcy proceeding. Upon trial the defendant, Cameron, was convicted and sentenced and upon writ of error the judgment of the Circuit Court was affirmed by the Circuit Court of Appeals. 192 Fed. Rep. 548.
The first indictment, after setting forth the proceedings in bankruptcy against the Knickerbocker Piano Company, of which the defendant was president and treasurer, alleged that he, upon inquiry under oath before a special examiner and commissioner, appointed under § 21a of the Bankruptcy Act, prior to adjudication, testified:
“First. That he, the said Albert B. Cameron, the aforesaid witness, shortly prior to the filing of the aforesaid petition in bankruptcy, against the said Knickerbocker Piano Company, had sold a number of pianos to William C. Smith, the petitioner in bankruptcy aforesaid.
“Second. That he, the said Albert B. Cameron, the witness aforesaid, had a conversation with the said William C. Smith, concerning the sale to him of pianos by him, the said Albert B. Cameron.
“Third. That he, the said Albert B. Cameron, the aforesaid witness, had sold to the said William C. Smith, eight pianos for the sum of sixliundred and sixty-eight dollars.”
And it alleged that the defendant thereby committed perjury.
By the second indictment the defendant is said to have committed perjury in a proceeding before the referee in testifying:
“First. That he, the said Albert B. Cameron, had not been able to obtain the address of the said William C. Smith and ha'd never known the said address.
“Second. That he, the said Albert B. Cameron, had
had a conversation or conversations with the said William C. Smith in regard to his, the said William C. Smith’s buying pianos of and from the said alleged bankrupt.”
The two indictments were consolidated and, the defendant pleading not guilty, trial was had and a verdict of guilty returned upon which judgment was rendered.
The petitioner contends that the Bankruptcy Act does not authorize the proceeding before the commissioner prior to the adjudication. The record discloses that a receiver had been duly appointed of the assets and effects of the bankrupt and that he had applied to the court under § 21a of the Bankruptcy Act of 1898 for an order requiring the bankrupt, its officers and directors, to appear before a special examiner and commissioner to be examined concerning the property of the bankrupt and the acts and conduct of its officials. The court made the order requested and appointed the special examiner and commissioner, before whom Cameron appeared and testified, giving, in the course of his examination, the testimony charged in the first indictment to be false. This proceeding was prior to the adjudication in bankruptcy, which followed a few days later. Whether the examination of Cameron upon oath at that stage of the proceedings was authorized by the Bankruptcy Act depends upon a construction of clause
a,
§ 21, of the act, which provides, in part, as follows:
“A court of bankruptcy may, upon application of any officer, bankrupt, or creditor, by order require any designated person, including the bankrupt and his wife, to appear in court or before a referee or the judge of any state court, to be examined concerning the acts, conduct, or property of a bankrupt whose estate is in process of administration under this act.”
The controversy is over the meaning of the phrase, “a bankrupt whose estate is in process of administration under this act.” The construction of this provision dif
fers in the Federal courts, some of them having held that there can be no such examination until after adjudication, as it is only then that the bankrupt can be subjected to such proceeding. Of this class are
Skubinsky
v.
Bodek,
172 Fed. Rep. 332;
Podolin
v.
McGettigan,
193 Fed. Rep. 1021;
In re Thompson,
179 Fed. Rep. 874;
In re Davidson,
158 Fed. Rep. 678;
In re Crenshaw,
155 Fed. Rep. 271. To the opposite view are
In re Fixen,
96 Fed. Rep. 748;
In re Fleischer,
151 Fed. Rep. 81;
Ex parte Bick,
155 Fed. Rep. 908;
Wechsler
v.
United States,
158 Fed. Rep. 579;
United States
v.
Liberman,
176 Fed. Rep. 161. We are of opinion that the estate was in process of administration at the time when the examination before the commissioner was ordered and the testimony of Cameron given. This court has decided that the filing of the petition in bankruptcy operates to place the property of the alleged bankrupt
in custodia legis
and prevents any creditor from attaching it; and, although by the terms of the act the estate does not vest in the trustee until the date of the adjudication, it is placed at the time of the filing of the petition under the control of the court with a view to its ultimate distribution among creditors.
Acme Harvester Co.
v.
Beekman Lumber Co.,
222 U. S. 300, 307; and see
Mueller
v.
Nugent,
184 U. S. 1, 14;
Everett
v.
Judson,
228 U. S. 474, 478, 479. And this is true, notwithstanding, as contended by the petitioner, that should the attempt to obtain an adjudication of bankruptcy fail upon the subsequent hearings, the receivership would necessarily be vacated and the property turned back to the alleged bankrupt.
In order to -arrive at the true meaning of § 21a other provisions as well as the purpose of the act must be had in view. The object of the examination of the bankrupt and. other witnesses to show the condition of the estate is to enable the court to discover its extent and whereabouts, and to come into possession of it, that the rights of creditors may be preserved. If such examination is postponed
until after adjudication, which may not take place for at least twenty days, within which the bankrupt in involuntary bankruptcy is given leave to appear and plead, the estate may be concealed and disposed of and the purpose of the act to hold it and to distribute it for the benefit of creditors defeated; The importance of such early examination of bankrupts was emphasized in
In re Fleischer, supra.
By subdivision 9 of § 7 of the act, it is provided that the bankrupt shall, “when present at the first meeting of his creditors, and at such other times as the court shall order, submit to an examination concerning the conducting of his business, the cause of his bankruptcy, his dealings with his creditors and other persons, the amount, kind, and whereabouts of his property, and, in addition, all matters which may affect the administration and settlement of his estate.” Here is found authority to examine the bankrupt at such other times than the first meeting of creditors as the court may direct. This section should be read with § 21a, and throws light upon its proper construction. In this case the petitioner had invoked the jurisdiction of the court, a receiver had been appointed to take possession of the property, the court was so far in possession of it as to prevent other courts from seizing it and thus defeating the bankruptcy jurisdiction. We are of opinion that the estate was then in process of administration and the examination ordered was within the jurisdiction of the court.
Other questions in the case relate to alleged violations of immunity afforded the defendant under statutes of the United States, which were invoked by him at the trial in the Circuit Court. Records were there offered in evidence showing the testimony given by Cameron before the examiner and before the referee. Cameron claimed that this testimony was incompetent for the purpose of establishing his guilt beyond showing that it was in fact given.
Counsel for petitioner relies upon the immunity clause of § 7 of the Bankruptcy Act, and upon § 860 of the Revised Statutes in force at the time the testimony was given but repealed by the act of May 7, 1910, c. 216, 36 Stat. 352. Section 7, subdivision 9, of the Bankruptcy Act, cited above, concludes, “but no testimony given by him shall be offered in evidence against him in any criminal proceeding.” This section was before this court, so far as the immunity provided is concerned, in
Glickstein
v.
United States,
222 U. S. 139, where it was held not to prevent a prosecution for perjury in the giving of testimony by a bankrupt, and the immunity was held to apply to past transactions concerning which the bankrupt might be examined. In the opinion in that case
Edelstein
v.
United States,
Circuit Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit, 149 Fed. Rep. 636, which had held that the words “any criminal proceeding” in which immunity is provided are limited to such criminal proceedings as arise out of the conduct of the bankrupt’s business or the disposition of his property, etc., concerning which he may be examined, was cited with approval. In
Ensign
v.
Pennsylvania,
227 U. S. 592, 600, it was held that full effect could be given to the immunity provision by confining it to the testimony given under subdivision 9, to which it was immediately subjoined. As the present prosecution was based upon alleged false swearing in the course of the bankruptcy proceedings, § 7 of the Bankruptcy Act can have no application.
Petitioner also invokes the protection of § 860 of the Revised Statutes, which reads:
“No pleading of a party, nor any discovery or evidence obtained from a party or witness by means of a judicial proceeding in this or any foreign country, shall be given in evidence, or in any manner used against him or his property or estate, in any Court of the United States, in any criminal proceeding, or for the enforcement of. any
penalty or forfeiture:
Provided,
That this section shall not exempt any party or witness from prosecution and punishment for perjury committed in discovering or testifying as aforésaid.”
The Government contends that the subsequent repeal of .this section deprives the petitioner of the immunity afforded.. We cannot agree with this contention. It would be subversive of principles of right and justice to give such effect to a statute upon the protection of which the petitioner had the right to rely at the time when called upon to testify in the bankruptcy court and in consequence of which he may be presumed to have given his testimony. A retrospective operation of statutes is not to be given .except in clear cases unequivocally evidencing the legislative intent to that effect.
Union Pacific R. R. Co. v. Laramie Stock Yards Co.,
231 U. S. 190, 199, and previous cases in this court cited in the opinion in that case.
Summers
v.
United States,
231 U. S. 92. In the absence of a clearly expressed legislative intent to the contrary the court will presume that the law-making power is acting for the future and does not intend to impair obligations incurred or rights relied upon in the past conduct of men when other legislation was in force.
White
v.
United States,
191 U. S. 545, 552.
The Circuit Court of Appeals in the instant case was of opinion that the petitioner was entitled to the immunity afforded in § 860 of the Revised Statutes, but failed to find in the record any instance of its violation. Section 860 by its express terms does not exempt a party from prosecution for perjury committed in testifying in the instances named. It-was held in
Glickstein
v.
United States, supra,
of § 7 of the Bankruptcy Act, that this immunity was not intended to put a premium upon perjury by giving protection against the use of the testimony in prosecutions for that crime; and we cannot agree with petitioner’s contention that the use of such testimony is limited to proving that
it was in fact given. In prosecutions for perjury the statute saved the right to use such testimony for any legitimate purpose in establishing the charge made. While this is true, the statute by its terms protects the party from the use of such testimony in any court of the United States in any criminal proceeding.
The subsequent prosecution of Cameron for perjury in the two bankruptcy proceedings was a criminal proceeding in a court of the United States and the testimony given in the one bankruptcy proceeding, not tending to establish perjury in that proceeding, should not. have been received to establish the crime charged in the other proceeding. In this case it will be noted from the statement already made, that the indictment based upon the testimony before the referee charged that Cameron falsely swore that he had not been able to obtain and had never known the address of William C. Smith, the man with whom it was charged the fraudulent transactions regarding the pianos were had. In the first indictment based upon the testimony before the commissioner, there is no such charge. The Government having put in evidence the proceedings before the referee showing that Cameron there testified that he did not know Smith’s address and that he was not acquainted with his friends and that he did not know any one who knew him, the record of Cameron’s testimony before the commissioner was offered in evidence, and, over specific objections calling attention to the lack of such charge in the first indictment based on the proceedings before the commissioner, the Government was permitted to read:
‘“Q. Did you shortly prior to the filing of the petition sell some pianos and realize cash on them?
“‘A. Yes, I did.
“ ‘Q. To whom were they sold?
“‘A.
They were sold to W. C. Smith.
“‘Q. Where is his place of business?
“£ A. He is not in business.
“£Q. Who is be?
‘“A.
Why, an acquaintance of mine.
"Q. Where does he live?
“‘A.
On St. Nicholas Avenue, I don’t recall the address.
“£Q. What number?
‘“A.
I don’t remember.
£“Q. Between what streets?
“‘A.
Above 125th.
“£Q. Is it an apartment or a private house?
‘“A.
Why, I think just a furnished room, or rooms.’
“Mr. McManus: I object to this as immaterial and not within the issues. There is no allegation in the indictment, or the assignment of perjury, as to the alleged address of William C. Smith, and in the proceedings before the Commissioner—
“Mr. Smith: I am reading so the jury will get some sort of a comprehensive idea as to what the man testified to. This is the beginning of this alleged transaction with William C. Smith.
“The Court: Cut it down closer.
“Mr. Smith: I have cut it down to about two pages.
“Objection overruled. Exception by defendant.
“Mr. Smith (reading):
“£Q. How long have you known him?
“‘A.
Oh, three or four years.
“1Q. Do you know whether he is employed by anybody?
“ ‘A. Yes, sir, but I don’t know where. .
“£Q. You haven’t any idea’in what capacity he is employed?
“£A. No.
“£Q. How often do you meet him?
"'A. Not very often..
“'Q. How often did you meet him before this last transaction?
“
‘
A. Oh, two or three times.
“ ‘ Q. How long do you know him?
“'A. Three or four years, I think.’
“Mr. McManus: This is another line, subject to the last exception.
“'Q. Where did you first meet him?
‘“A.
New York.
“‘Q. Where?
‘“A.
I don’t recall that.
“'Q. Do you know anybody else other than yourself who knows Mr. Smith?
‘“A.
He has a number of friends.
“'Q. Do you know of anybody?
“'A. My brothers.
“' Q. Outside of your family?
“'A. No.
“'Q. Is he related to you?
“‘A. No.
“'Q. Is he related to any member of your family?
“‘A.
No.
' Q. Do you know how he can be located?
‘“A.
Why, yes, I could get hold of him.
“
‘
Q. How could you get hold of him to-day?
“‘A.
I’d go and ask my brother.
“ ‘ Q. You think he could give you the address?
“
‘
A. Yes, sir, I think so.
“£Q. Did you send to Mr. Smith to come to the place and buy some pianos?
“‘A.
I had to sell some pianos to get some money.
“'Q. Where did you send to get him?
‘“A.
I got him through my brother.’”
The effect of this testimony was to distinctly contradict the testimony which Cameron.had given before the referee and which was the subject-matter of the indictment based on the proceedings before that officer. It did not tend to establish the charge growing out of his testimony before
the commissioner, which related solely to the sale of pianos and conversations between Cameron and Smith concerning the sales. The district attorney contended that this testimony was competent in order that the jury might get some sort of comprehensive idea as to what the man testified to, and, in view of that statement and the expressed view of the court that anything that threw fight on the event was admissible, the testimony was admitted. It is contended that it was competent as showing the relations of Cameron to Smith and to identify Smith, but there was no question in the case as to who Smith was. He was a witness called to establish the charge of perjury and he was the person with whom it was charged the fraudulent dealings in pianos was had by the bankrupt. The testimony offered as to what Cameron swore to before the examiner, while not tending to establish the charge of perjury based upon testimony in that instance, did contradict the testimony which he had given before the referee, and directly tended to establish the charge under that indictment. We think to permit the use of the testimony for that purpose was to permit the testimony given in the one instance tó be used in a criminal proceeding based upon testimony given in the other instance, and therefore to violate the immunity given in § 860 of the Revised Statutes, then in force.
Other errors are alleged, and it is contended that there was no adequate proof 'of the charges made, but these questions were submitted to the jury and cannot be reexamined here. We are of the opinion that error was committed in the use given to the testimony taken before the commissioner in the manner we have stated and for that reason the judgment of the Circuit Court of Appeals affirming the conviction of Cameron in the court below should be reversed.
.
Reversed and remanded to the District Court of the United States for the Southern District of New York.