THOMAS, J.
The trial was upon the common counts, to which the defendant had pleaded the general issue and recoupment. Demurrer to the latter plea being overruled, plaintiffs replied by the general replication (Code, 1907, § 533S), and sought to reply by special replication No. 2, setting up estoppel, to which demurrer was sustained. These rulings are assigned and argued as error.
In the plea of recoupment it was averred that at the time of the institution of the suit defendant had a claim against plaintiffs “growing out of the transaction upon which this suit is based,” and which is offered to be recouped “against the amount claimed in the complaint [and] as she asks for judgment for th^e excess,” averring:
That “the plaintiffs were employed by her to do certain work on the property described in the complaint, in repairing, building additions to, or beautifying the building on said premises, and that plaintiffs were to do said work in a good and workmanlike manner”; that “plaintiffs did said work in a negligent and unskillful manner, and that as a proximate consequence thereof she was damaged * * * ; that said damages were proximately caused by the negligent, unskillful manner of the said building by plaintiff, which negligence consisted in this: That plaintiff failed to do said work in a skillful and workmanlike manner.”
Grounds of demurrer challenging the plea are that it is not averred that the work was not done by plaintiffs as directed by defendant; that it is not shown in what the negligence consisted which proximately caused her damages; and it is not averred “with exactness or definitely in what manner or defect defendant received her damage.”
[1,2]
Under the statute there may be a judgment over on a plea of set-off or recoupment, for mutual debts, or liquidated or unliquidated demands, not sounding in damages merely (West v. Cowan, 189 Ala. 138, 66 South. 816; Middleton v. Foshee, 192 Ala. 265, 68 South. 890), subsisting between the parties at the commencement of the suit, whether arising ex delicto or ex contractu. The damages • claimed may grow out of the matter set forth in the complaint, or arise from plaintiff’s breach of contract on which suit is founded, or from violation of a duty imposed by the contract. Code 1907, §§ 5858, 5860. The pleading necessary to such defense must contain the game averments which would make it a good complaint, if the claim sought to be set off or recouped were a suit brought thereon in the first instance. J. C. Lysle Milling Co. v. North Ala. Grocery Co., 201 Ala. 222, 223, 77 South. 748.
[3, 4]
The duty of plaintiffs averred under the instant contract was to make the repairs of the building in a “good and workmanlike manner.” The .words “good and workmanlike manner” as used in this and other contracts in this jurisdiction, for the performance of the discharge of the particular service, mean that the’ same shall be done as a person -skilled in that business should do it — in a manner generally considered skillful by those capable of judging such work in the community of the performance. Fitzgerald v. La Porte, 64 Ark. 34, 40 S. W. 261. See, also, Shores Lbr. Co. v. Stitt, 102 Wis. 450, 78 N. W. 562; Aughinbaugh v. Coppenhaffer, 55 Pa. (5 P. F. Smith), 347; Smith v. Clark, 58 Mo. 145; Somerby v. Tappan, Wright (Ohio) 229. And the breach of duty averred is that the plaintiffs’ work was done in “a negligent and unskillful manner,” proximately causing defendant to be damaged as claimed. This generality of averment is permissible in a complaint and in a plea of set-off or recoupment. T. C. I. & R. R. Co. v. Moore, 194 Ala. 134, 69 South. 540; Wilson v. Gulf States Steel Co., 194 Ala. 311, 69 South. 921; T. C. I. & R. R. Co. v. Smith, 171 Ala. 251, 259, 55 South. 170: Schmidt v. Mobile L. & R. R. Co., 204 Ala. 694, 87 South. 181. The plea was not subject to grounds of demurrer directed thereto.
[5, 6]
A replication must either traverse or confess and avoid the matter pleaded, or present matter of estoppel thereto. McKimmie v. Forbes Piano Co., 155 Ala. 259, 261, 46 South. 772; Lee v. De Bardeleben C. & I. Co., 102 Ala. 628, 15 South. 270; Barbour & Son v. Washington E. & M. I. Co., 60 Ala. 433; Winter v. Mobile Sav. Bank, 54 Ala. 172; Mason v. Craig, 3 Stew. & P. 389. Rep lication 3 is defective as an estoppel in averring that defendant was present when the work was in progress and directed most of the work done. Under this pleading, inartificially drawn, non constat the work that was done when defendant -was not present and did not direct was that which was negligently done, and which caused the damages of which complaint is made. It was subject to-grounds of demurrer assigned. The other matter sought to be set up in the replication was admissible under the traverse of the plea. Long v. Myers, 202 Ala. 238, 80 South. 76.
[7]
Assignments of error predicated on the failure of the court to sustain plaintiffs’ obr jection to the questions propounded to Mr. Plier and Mr. Kemp, are as follows:
“Q. Now,'Mr. Plier, I will ask you to state to the jury what difference, if any, there was in the value of this property of Mrs. Miller, in the condition that it is in, and what it would have been, if the material used down there that you saw had been put into the place in a good and workmanlike manner?”
The plaintiffs then and there duly and legally objected to said question, on the ground that it was illegal, irrelevant, and incompe
tent, and the court then and there overruled said objections, an,d the plaintiffs duly and legally excepted to the court’s said ruling. The witness answered:
“If it had been put in workmanlike manner it would have been worth a couple of hundred dollars more.”
Plaintiffs moved the court to exclude the answer, the court overruled the motion, and plaintiffs duly excepted. The.question and answer was one way of proving the value of the house with and without the improvements, made the basis of the suit, and of which this witness was permitted to give his opinion. B. R. L. & P. Co. v. Sprague, 196 Ala. 148, 72 South. 96; Welch v. Evans Bros. Const. Co., 189 Ala. 548, 66 South. 517; Krebs Mfg. Co. v. Brown, 108 Ala. 508, 18 South. 659, 54 Am. St. Rep. 188; Abbott’s Civil Jury Trials (3d Ed.) p. 465, § 65; 13 Cyc. pp. 210, 211, 17 C. J. pp. 1038, 1039. See, also, Zimmern v. Standard Motor Car Co., 88 South. 743;
Montgomery St. Ry. Co. v. Hastings, 138 Ala. 432, 35 South. 412; Ala. Great Sou. v. Johnston, 128 Ala. 283, 29 South. 771; Central of Ga. Ry. Co. v. Keyton, 148 Ala. 675, 41 South. 918;
Town of Eutaw v. Botnick, 150 Ala. 429, 43 South. 739; City of Huntsville v. Pulley, 187 Ala. 367, 65 South. 405; City of Tuscaloosa v. Hill, 14 Ala. App. 541, 69 South. 486; L. R. A. 1917C, 992, note. Authorities holding that a witness should not, in general, be allowed to state that the property has-or has not been damaged or benefited, but should state its condition and leave the conclusion to the jury, are Sloss-S. S. & I. Co. v. Mitchell, 181 Ala. 576, 585, 61 South. 934; Houston v. Elrod, 203 Ala. 41, 81 South. 831; A & B. A. L. Ry. Co. v. Brown, 158 Ala. 607, 48 South.
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THOMAS, J.
The trial was upon the common counts, to which the defendant had pleaded the general issue and recoupment. Demurrer to the latter plea being overruled, plaintiffs replied by the general replication (Code, 1907, § 533S), and sought to reply by special replication No. 2, setting up estoppel, to which demurrer was sustained. These rulings are assigned and argued as error.
In the plea of recoupment it was averred that at the time of the institution of the suit defendant had a claim against plaintiffs “growing out of the transaction upon which this suit is based,” and which is offered to be recouped “against the amount claimed in the complaint [and] as she asks for judgment for th^e excess,” averring:
That “the plaintiffs were employed by her to do certain work on the property described in the complaint, in repairing, building additions to, or beautifying the building on said premises, and that plaintiffs were to do said work in a good and workmanlike manner”; that “plaintiffs did said work in a negligent and unskillful manner, and that as a proximate consequence thereof she was damaged * * * ; that said damages were proximately caused by the negligent, unskillful manner of the said building by plaintiff, which negligence consisted in this: That plaintiff failed to do said work in a skillful and workmanlike manner.”
Grounds of demurrer challenging the plea are that it is not averred that the work was not done by plaintiffs as directed by defendant; that it is not shown in what the negligence consisted which proximately caused her damages; and it is not averred “with exactness or definitely in what manner or defect defendant received her damage.”
[1,2]
Under the statute there may be a judgment over on a plea of set-off or recoupment, for mutual debts, or liquidated or unliquidated demands, not sounding in damages merely (West v. Cowan, 189 Ala. 138, 66 South. 816; Middleton v. Foshee, 192 Ala. 265, 68 South. 890), subsisting between the parties at the commencement of the suit, whether arising ex delicto or ex contractu. The damages • claimed may grow out of the matter set forth in the complaint, or arise from plaintiff’s breach of contract on which suit is founded, or from violation of a duty imposed by the contract. Code 1907, §§ 5858, 5860. The pleading necessary to such defense must contain the game averments which would make it a good complaint, if the claim sought to be set off or recouped were a suit brought thereon in the first instance. J. C. Lysle Milling Co. v. North Ala. Grocery Co., 201 Ala. 222, 223, 77 South. 748.
[3, 4]
The duty of plaintiffs averred under the instant contract was to make the repairs of the building in a “good and workmanlike manner.” The .words “good and workmanlike manner” as used in this and other contracts in this jurisdiction, for the performance of the discharge of the particular service, mean that the’ same shall be done as a person -skilled in that business should do it — in a manner generally considered skillful by those capable of judging such work in the community of the performance. Fitzgerald v. La Porte, 64 Ark. 34, 40 S. W. 261. See, also, Shores Lbr. Co. v. Stitt, 102 Wis. 450, 78 N. W. 562; Aughinbaugh v. Coppenhaffer, 55 Pa. (5 P. F. Smith), 347; Smith v. Clark, 58 Mo. 145; Somerby v. Tappan, Wright (Ohio) 229. And the breach of duty averred is that the plaintiffs’ work was done in “a negligent and unskillful manner,” proximately causing defendant to be damaged as claimed. This generality of averment is permissible in a complaint and in a plea of set-off or recoupment. T. C. I. & R. R. Co. v. Moore, 194 Ala. 134, 69 South. 540; Wilson v. Gulf States Steel Co., 194 Ala. 311, 69 South. 921; T. C. I. & R. R. Co. v. Smith, 171 Ala. 251, 259, 55 South. 170: Schmidt v. Mobile L. & R. R. Co., 204 Ala. 694, 87 South. 181. The plea was not subject to grounds of demurrer directed thereto.
[5, 6]
A replication must either traverse or confess and avoid the matter pleaded, or present matter of estoppel thereto. McKimmie v. Forbes Piano Co., 155 Ala. 259, 261, 46 South. 772; Lee v. De Bardeleben C. & I. Co., 102 Ala. 628, 15 South. 270; Barbour & Son v. Washington E. & M. I. Co., 60 Ala. 433; Winter v. Mobile Sav. Bank, 54 Ala. 172; Mason v. Craig, 3 Stew. & P. 389. Rep lication 3 is defective as an estoppel in averring that defendant was present when the work was in progress and directed most of the work done. Under this pleading, inartificially drawn, non constat the work that was done when defendant -was not present and did not direct was that which was negligently done, and which caused the damages of which complaint is made. It was subject to-grounds of demurrer assigned. The other matter sought to be set up in the replication was admissible under the traverse of the plea. Long v. Myers, 202 Ala. 238, 80 South. 76.
[7]
Assignments of error predicated on the failure of the court to sustain plaintiffs’ obr jection to the questions propounded to Mr. Plier and Mr. Kemp, are as follows:
“Q. Now,'Mr. Plier, I will ask you to state to the jury what difference, if any, there was in the value of this property of Mrs. Miller, in the condition that it is in, and what it would have been, if the material used down there that you saw had been put into the place in a good and workmanlike manner?”
The plaintiffs then and there duly and legally objected to said question, on the ground that it was illegal, irrelevant, and incompe
tent, and the court then and there overruled said objections, an,d the plaintiffs duly and legally excepted to the court’s said ruling. The witness answered:
“If it had been put in workmanlike manner it would have been worth a couple of hundred dollars more.”
Plaintiffs moved the court to exclude the answer, the court overruled the motion, and plaintiffs duly excepted. The.question and answer was one way of proving the value of the house with and without the improvements, made the basis of the suit, and of which this witness was permitted to give his opinion. B. R. L. & P. Co. v. Sprague, 196 Ala. 148, 72 South. 96; Welch v. Evans Bros. Const. Co., 189 Ala. 548, 66 South. 517; Krebs Mfg. Co. v. Brown, 108 Ala. 508, 18 South. 659, 54 Am. St. Rep. 188; Abbott’s Civil Jury Trials (3d Ed.) p. 465, § 65; 13 Cyc. pp. 210, 211, 17 C. J. pp. 1038, 1039. See, also, Zimmern v. Standard Motor Car Co., 88 South. 743;
Montgomery St. Ry. Co. v. Hastings, 138 Ala. 432, 35 South. 412; Ala. Great Sou. v. Johnston, 128 Ala. 283, 29 South. 771; Central of Ga. Ry. Co. v. Keyton, 148 Ala. 675, 41 South. 918;
Town of Eutaw v. Botnick, 150 Ala. 429, 43 South. 739; City of Huntsville v. Pulley, 187 Ala. 367, 65 South. 405; City of Tuscaloosa v. Hill, 14 Ala. App. 541, 69 South. 486; L. R. A. 1917C, 992, note. Authorities holding that a witness should not, in general, be allowed to state that the property has-or has not been damaged or benefited, but should state its condition and leave the conclusion to the jury, are Sloss-S. S. & I. Co. v. Mitchell, 181 Ala. 576, 585, 61 South. 934; Houston v. Elrod, 203 Ala. 41, 81 South. 831; A & B. A. L. Ry. Co. v. Brown, 158 Ala. 607, 48 South. 73; Central of Ga. Ry. Co. v. Keyton, supra; Gosdin v. Williams, 151 Ala. 592, 44 South. 611.
[8]
To Mr. Kemp was propounded the question:
“Now, taking into consideration only the new part of the house there, what would you say the difference in value is between the value of the house at that time when you examined it and the value that the house would have been if the new part had been constructed in a skillful and workmanlike manner, with the material used?”
To said question plaintiffs then and there duly and legally objected, and the court overruled said objection, and the witness answered, “I would say from $100 to $125.” The plaintiffs moved the court to exclude said answer as evidence, and the court overruled said motion, to which action of the court the plaintiffs duly excepted. The objection to the latter question was general, and the ruling is not for review. Adams Hdw. Co. v. Wimbish, 201 Ala. 548, 78 South. 901. However, the question called for competent evidence.
Finding no reversible error, the judgment of the circuit court is affirmed.
Affirmed.
ANDERSON, C. J., and GARDNER and MILLER, JJ., concur.