Rapallo, J.
[After stating the facts.]—Questions are raised in respect to these conversations which are not free from difficulty ; but it is sufficient for the purposes of the present appeal, to pass upon the exceptions taken to the admission of the two conversations above particularly referred to.
We think these exceptions were well taken. Advice given by the plaintiff to Mr. Lord was a personal communication and transaction between them within the meaning of section 399, and, connected with the proof that Mr. Lord accepted and acted upon such advice, the evidence was material, and tended to maintain the issue on the part of the plaintiff. Mr. Lord’s remark about what he would have to pay his lawyers, turning towards plaintiff, appears to have been addressed to plaintiff, as well as to Mr. Thomas Lord, and may have satisfied the jury that Mr. Lord looked upon plaintiff as his lawyer throughout the transactions, and con-, ceded that he would have to pay him as such.
The remark to Mr. Thomas Lord about paying their lawyers, did not of itself amount to much. It derived its significance wholly from the alleged turning towards plaintiff, and thus giving him to understand that he was the party referred to. This, we think, was a personal communication within the intent of section 399.
[6]*6The superior court, at general term, in the opinion there delivered, concede that the admission of this testimony was error, but they hold that it could not have injured the defendants, because there was uncontradicted evidence in the case on which the jury would have been bound as matter of law to find for the plaintiff on the issue as to which the conversations of the deceased related.
There was undoubtedly evidence outside of these conversations, which would have justified the jury in finding that some part of the services rendered by the plaintiff were rendered by him, as attorney of Mr. Lord, and on his employment.
But there was also evidence tending to show that he was looking to the reward, and that the labor which he performed, or a part of it at least, was performed with the view of earning the reward. In his complaint he claims in one count for services rendered, and in the other the same sum as his proportion of the reward. If appears by his letter to Mr. Lord of May 18, 1869, that he undertook a suit against one Lynch for the recovery of some of the stolen bonds, on condition that if he did not succeed, he was to make no charge for his services, and in a subsequent letter relating to the same suit, he proposes to substitute another attorney therein, on payment of his costs, stating that in case of recovery, he would be entitled to the reward, but he prefers giving a substitution. And it also appears that in May, 1867, Mr. Lord paid him $500, for which he gave a receipt, not on account of services, but to be deducted from the first reward to which he might be entitled. The reward was a certain percentage on all bonds recovered. This evidence tends to show that he had the reward in view, and looked to this contingent compensation for part, if not all, of his services, the principal item of which was for advice, consultations, attendance, &c., while the conversation given in evi[7]*7dence- tended to show that Mr. Lord regarded him as his lawyer throughout, and entitled to pay as such. To sustain a verdict where evidence has been erroneously admitted, it must very clearly appear that no injury could possibly have resulted from the error. We cannot see this so clearly as to justify us in upholding the judgment on that ground.
Another insuperable difficulty, however, stands in the way of sustaining this judgment. The plaintiff, as before stated, claims in his complaint a portion of the reward, as well as compensation for services.
The court at the trial, after having charged the jury that if the plaintiff undertook the services with a view of receiving a part of the reward offered for the recovery of the bonds, and with that intention alone, the defendants would be entitled to the verdict, further added, at the request of the plaintiff’s counsel, that, even if the plaintiff stood on the reward alone, yet if the jury found that the bonds were recovered through plaintiff’s exertions, he was entitled to recover. The court had refused to charge, at the request of defendant’s counsel, that the plaintiff had failed to show that the return of the bonds, or any of them, was procured through the exertions or instrumentality of the plaintiff, and also that he had failed to show any right to recover any part of the reward.
The jury were therefore instructed, in substance, that they might render a verdict for part of the reward. We have carefully examined the testimony, and fail to find any evidence upon which such a verdict could be based. It was shown that the greater portion of the bonds had been recovered; but we do not find in the case a particle of evidence showing that the plaintiff brought about such recovery, or was entitled to any part of the reward.
The defendants were entitled to have the jury so instructed, and it was error to submit to the jury to [8]*8determine whether the plaintiff had earned any part of the reward.
The plaintiff appears to have rendered meritorious services, and it is to be regretted that this litigation should be prolonged, the case appearing to have already been twice tried. But the view we take of the legal questions raised, requires us to reverse the judgment and order a new trial, costs to abide the event.
All the judges concurred, Folg-er, J., in the result.
Judgment reversed and new trial granted, costs to abide event.
Note on Examination of Interested Witnesses against Representatives and Successors in Interest of Decedents and Lunatics (Code of Pro. § 399).
The laws of the American States generally recognize the sound policy of restraining the admission of the testimony of a party or interested witness, as against the estate of a deceased person or the interest of one succeeding to his right. The ground of the rule is that although parties and interested witnesses are made generally competent, an exception should be made where the adversary in the controversy is deceased. The law admits all parties; but when death silences one, the law will silence the other. The statutes for this pmpose are very diverse. Some reach the result by forbidding parties and interested witnesses from testifying where the opposite party is an executor or administrator. Others attempt to define the line with more discrimination. The New York statute in its present form (§ 399 of the Code of Procedure) is perhaps the most successful of these, and instead of applying to a particular class of actions, it is addressed directly to defining the evidence which ought to be excluded, in whatever action. It confines the prohibition to the actual source of danger, viz., the version by an interested person, of his interview with one who can no longer contradict him. To prevent evasion, the statute applies not only to parties on the record and parties having an interest in the result, but to assignors and others through whom a party claims. To prevent unequal application, it does not apply against one side when the other side has gone into the subject of the interview. These are the features of the New York statute.
[9]*9Construction of the pi'esent statute.
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Rapallo, J.
[After stating the facts.]—Questions are raised in respect to these conversations which are not free from difficulty ; but it is sufficient for the purposes of the present appeal, to pass upon the exceptions taken to the admission of the two conversations above particularly referred to.
We think these exceptions were well taken. Advice given by the plaintiff to Mr. Lord was a personal communication and transaction between them within the meaning of section 399, and, connected with the proof that Mr. Lord accepted and acted upon such advice, the evidence was material, and tended to maintain the issue on the part of the plaintiff. Mr. Lord’s remark about what he would have to pay his lawyers, turning towards plaintiff, appears to have been addressed to plaintiff, as well as to Mr. Thomas Lord, and may have satisfied the jury that Mr. Lord looked upon plaintiff as his lawyer throughout the transactions, and con-, ceded that he would have to pay him as such.
The remark to Mr. Thomas Lord about paying their lawyers, did not of itself amount to much. It derived its significance wholly from the alleged turning towards plaintiff, and thus giving him to understand that he was the party referred to. This, we think, was a personal communication within the intent of section 399.
[6]*6The superior court, at general term, in the opinion there delivered, concede that the admission of this testimony was error, but they hold that it could not have injured the defendants, because there was uncontradicted evidence in the case on which the jury would have been bound as matter of law to find for the plaintiff on the issue as to which the conversations of the deceased related.
There was undoubtedly evidence outside of these conversations, which would have justified the jury in finding that some part of the services rendered by the plaintiff were rendered by him, as attorney of Mr. Lord, and on his employment.
But there was also evidence tending to show that he was looking to the reward, and that the labor which he performed, or a part of it at least, was performed with the view of earning the reward. In his complaint he claims in one count for services rendered, and in the other the same sum as his proportion of the reward. If appears by his letter to Mr. Lord of May 18, 1869, that he undertook a suit against one Lynch for the recovery of some of the stolen bonds, on condition that if he did not succeed, he was to make no charge for his services, and in a subsequent letter relating to the same suit, he proposes to substitute another attorney therein, on payment of his costs, stating that in case of recovery, he would be entitled to the reward, but he prefers giving a substitution. And it also appears that in May, 1867, Mr. Lord paid him $500, for which he gave a receipt, not on account of services, but to be deducted from the first reward to which he might be entitled. The reward was a certain percentage on all bonds recovered. This evidence tends to show that he had the reward in view, and looked to this contingent compensation for part, if not all, of his services, the principal item of which was for advice, consultations, attendance, &c., while the conversation given in evi[7]*7dence- tended to show that Mr. Lord regarded him as his lawyer throughout, and entitled to pay as such. To sustain a verdict where evidence has been erroneously admitted, it must very clearly appear that no injury could possibly have resulted from the error. We cannot see this so clearly as to justify us in upholding the judgment on that ground.
Another insuperable difficulty, however, stands in the way of sustaining this judgment. The plaintiff, as before stated, claims in his complaint a portion of the reward, as well as compensation for services.
The court at the trial, after having charged the jury that if the plaintiff undertook the services with a view of receiving a part of the reward offered for the recovery of the bonds, and with that intention alone, the defendants would be entitled to the verdict, further added, at the request of the plaintiff’s counsel, that, even if the plaintiff stood on the reward alone, yet if the jury found that the bonds were recovered through plaintiff’s exertions, he was entitled to recover. The court had refused to charge, at the request of defendant’s counsel, that the plaintiff had failed to show that the return of the bonds, or any of them, was procured through the exertions or instrumentality of the plaintiff, and also that he had failed to show any right to recover any part of the reward.
The jury were therefore instructed, in substance, that they might render a verdict for part of the reward. We have carefully examined the testimony, and fail to find any evidence upon which such a verdict could be based. It was shown that the greater portion of the bonds had been recovered; but we do not find in the case a particle of evidence showing that the plaintiff brought about such recovery, or was entitled to any part of the reward.
The defendants were entitled to have the jury so instructed, and it was error to submit to the jury to [8]*8determine whether the plaintiff had earned any part of the reward.
The plaintiff appears to have rendered meritorious services, and it is to be regretted that this litigation should be prolonged, the case appearing to have already been twice tried. But the view we take of the legal questions raised, requires us to reverse the judgment and order a new trial, costs to abide the event.
All the judges concurred, Folg-er, J., in the result.
Judgment reversed and new trial granted, costs to abide event.
Note on Examination of Interested Witnesses against Representatives and Successors in Interest of Decedents and Lunatics (Code of Pro. § 399).
The laws of the American States generally recognize the sound policy of restraining the admission of the testimony of a party or interested witness, as against the estate of a deceased person or the interest of one succeeding to his right. The ground of the rule is that although parties and interested witnesses are made generally competent, an exception should be made where the adversary in the controversy is deceased. The law admits all parties; but when death silences one, the law will silence the other. The statutes for this pmpose are very diverse. Some reach the result by forbidding parties and interested witnesses from testifying where the opposite party is an executor or administrator. Others attempt to define the line with more discrimination. The New York statute in its present form (§ 399 of the Code of Procedure) is perhaps the most successful of these, and instead of applying to a particular class of actions, it is addressed directly to defining the evidence which ought to be excluded, in whatever action. It confines the prohibition to the actual source of danger, viz., the version by an interested person, of his interview with one who can no longer contradict him. To prevent evasion, the statute applies not only to parties on the record and parties having an interest in the result, but to assignors and others through whom a party claims. To prevent unequal application, it does not apply against one side when the other side has gone into the subject of the interview. These are the features of the New York statute.
[9]*9Construction of the pi'esent statute. The chief difficulty in the application of the statute is as to what is testifying ‘1 in regard to any personal transaction or communication between such witness, and,” &c. To clear up the apparent conflict between some of the cases, and make the present form of it significant, it will be useful to observe the following changes :
History of the changes. Previous to the year 1867, the language of the act excluded communications and transactions “had personally ” with the deceased. Under this provision it was held that the plaintiff, in an action against executors, was competent to prove the contents of a lost letter. This was not the species of testimony which the act intended to exclude. Williston e. Williston, 41 Barb. 635. In respect to personal interviews, it was at first held, that the fact that the deceased was present at an interview between the witness and a third . person, and was silent in respect to the transaction id. a matter affecting him or his interest, must be excluded. The silence, equally with the declarations, of the deceased, was held excluded. Fox ®. Clark, 61 Barb. 316, note.
But the court of appeals in Lobdell v. Lobdell, 36 IF. 7. 333, in effect, overruled this construction, and held that communications in presence of the witness, but wholly between the deceased and another, however the latter might be connected with the former, were not excluded; and that the law must be amended if communications in the presence of, but not “had personally” with, the witness or the deceased, were to be excluded.
In 1867 the legislature did accordingly interpose and amend the law, omitting the words “had personally,” and forbidding a witness to testify to “any transaction or communication between” the witness and a person since deceased, &c.
This provision was, of course, found too broad : under it the courts were obliged to exclude the testimony of a witness to letters which passed between them. Ressigue v. Mason, 58 Barb. 89.
Accordingly, in 1869 the law was again amended by changing the prohibition to “ any personal transaction or communication,” so that it now stands as follows:
“No party to any action or proceeding, nor any parson interested in the event thereof, nor any person from, through or under whom any such party or interested person derives any interest or title by assignment or otherwise, shall be examined as a witness in regard to any personal transaction or communication between such witness ahd a person, at the time of such examination deceased, insane or lunatic, against the executor, administrator, heir at law, next of kin, assignee, legatee, devisee or survivor of such deceased person, or the assignee, [10]*10or committee of such insane person or lunatic. But this prohibition shall not extend to any transaction or communication as to which any such executor, administrator, heir at law, next of kin, assignee, legatee, devisee,' survivor or committee shall be examined on his own behalf, or as to which the testimony of such deceased person or lunatic shall be given in evidence ” (Oode of Pro. § 399, as am’d by 2 L. 1809, p. 8201, c. 883, § 14).
The effect of the decisions which are applicable under the present state of the statute may be stated as follows. The cases are given more fully below.
Description of the witness. A party to any action or proceeding, even though called for a co-plaintiff or co-defendant,1 and not on his own behalf, and even though he might have been sued separately2 and though the court might in its discretion sever the action,3 can not, so long as he remains a party,4 be thus examined..
No person can be thus examined who is at the time of examination5 interested in the event of the action, whether directly interested in the cause of action, or whether he is merely liable to be directly affected by the judgment, as, for instance, where he stands in such a position that the effect of a recovery in the action may be to aid the unsuccessful party in the action to bring and maintain an action against the witness for indemnity,6 or, to take another instance, where the effect of a recovery may be to exonerate the witness from liability for a tort, by giving the plaintiff satisfaction from another person. But interest in the legal question is not enough.7
No person can be thus examined from, through, or under whom any such party or interested person derives any interest or title by assignment or otherwise.8 Whether the interest or title thus derived must be an interest in the particular claim affected by the transaction or communication, is not settled.9
Objecting to the testimony. Witnesses within the foregoing description cannot be examined as to the matters below stated, even though they were competent at common law.10 But when such a witness is offered, he should not be excluded merely because he is called against an executor, &c., &c.; unless it is clear that if sworn he could not testify to anything.11 Strictly speaking, the incompetency is not that of the witness, but of his testimony to particular facts.
The examination is forbidden alike at the trial, and before trial or on deposition. Whether an affidavit by such a person is available on motion, has been questioned.12
The exclusion is of all examination in regard to any personal transaction or communication. In some cases, where the mere fact that a conversation was had between the witness and the deceased is [11]*11material, it might be error to allow the witness to state that fact even; but ordinarily, where the material fact is the substance of the communication itself, it would not be error to allow the examination to proceed so far as to state that an interview was had, without proving what was said or done.13
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The cases establishing the foregoing principles are as follows:
[11]*11In strictness, when it appears that the witness is about to testify to an interview where he and the deceased were present, the question whether the examination proposed relates to a personal transaction or communication between him and the deceased, is one of preliminary proof, addressed to the judge; and for the purpose of determining this question, the witness may testify either negatively or affirmatively as to whether anything passed between him and the deceased, and for this purpose may be asked such questions as are necessary to ascertain whether he merely over-heard the conversation, or whether he was privy to the communications made. Upon this question it would be competent for the objecting party, with the leave of the court, to interpose with evidence to contradict the testimony of the witness; and it would then be for the judge to determine whether his testimony to what passed at the interview was competent or not. But in ordinary practice, the examination is allowed to proceed as evidence for the jury, until it appears by the account given by the witness, that he is stating a personal transaction or communication between him and the deceased, and if this appears, all the testimony vitiated by this fact will be struck out, under a proper and timely objection.
A witness who is within the statute, on being inquired of generally as to a transaction between him and the deceased, by a question not indicating that the transaction was a personal transaction or communication between them, may properly be allowed to answer, reserving to the objecting party the right to move to strike out; and, if the answer does not show a personal transaction or communication,—for example, if it simply states that the witness had paid what was due to the deceased,—the testimony is not therefore to be excluded. But if, on cross-examination, the adverse party elicits the fact that the witness had been speaking in such testimony of transactions had personally with the deceased, the inadmissibility of the testimony becomes apparent, and it is properly to be stricken out. The fact that the cross-examination involved also details about the indebtedness already generally stated in the direct examination, does not preclude the cross-examining party from moving to strike, out the whole testimony, as to the interview, as incompetent under the statute.14
WI:at testimony is incompetent. The exclusion is not, however, [12]*12merely of testimony to prove what took place. All testimony in regard to an alleged or supposed personal transaction or communication is incompetent. It is equally incompetent to disprove as to prove. Testifying that there never was an interview is equally testifying ‘ ‘ in regard to ” the supposed communication, as is testifying to what took place.15 At first thought this may seem inconsistent with what has just been said about testifying to the fact of an interview, when only the conversation is material, as well as inconsistent with the fact that the witness may testify as to whether or not the communication was personal, between him and the deceased; but the distinction, though refined, is clear. If what passed at the interview is the only material fact, a witness who testifies only that an interview was had, but does not say what passed, is not considered as having testified in regard to the alleged personal transaction or communication. But if he is allowed to testify that no interview ever took place, he does negative the supposed personal transaction or communication. Proving an interview merely, does not prove personal communication; but disproving all interview does disprove personal communication. Hence the rule that the witness cannot testify, even negatively, as to interviews.
What is a personal transaction, c6c. What constitutes a personal transaction or communication is not to be defined in the abstract, but to be determined on the circumstances of the case.16 The principle on which the statute is founded, is the abuse which might result, if, when the lips of one party to an alleged interview have been sealed by death, the persons deriving from him rights which he held at the time of the interview, could be prejudiced by the testimony of interested persons, as to what took place, or did not take place between them there. The greatest danger of abuse would of course be in case of an alleged interview of which there were no other witnesses ; but the statute is not confined to such; the provision applies not merely to private communications, but to all personal communications, though in the presence of others who might be called as witnesses.17 On the other hand, it applies only to such communications and transactions as involve the witness as a party thereto. The question is, are the circumstances such as to indicate that in the consciousness ' of the deceased and the witness, there was any privity between them in the transaction, as in the case in the text. If the witness merely overheard what was said between third persons, he is competent.18 And this rule has been applied even where the conversation was an admission by the deceased of his previous transaction with the witness.19 But if in even a part of the conversation the witness took part,20 or even was included as one to whom the words [13]*13of the deceased were addressed, or- for whose ear they were in part intended, he cannot testify to that part, but may to any other part.21
The transaction, however, must be a personal one. A transaction solely with the agent of the deceased, is unaffected by the statute.22
jIndirect evidence. The exclusion, of course, is not to be evaded by questions of a general form, such as whether the witness was in the habit of borrowing from the deceased, where such habit might form a ground of presumption as to what passed at a supposed interview:23 and the rule has been laid down, that a witness who cannot prove a personal transaction, is equally incompetent to prove any state of facts from which such transaction might be presumed.24 But this needs qualification. The witness may prove the transaction by any circumstances which do not tend to do it by merely raising a presumption of a personal transaction or communication between him and the deceased. Thus he may testify to the admissions of the assignee or the heir, raising a presumption of payment to the ancestor.25
Incidents of a transaction, &c. The exclusion of the transaction or communication excludes all the incidents of it, such as what was done,26 so far as they are connected with what affected the witness and the deceased together. This rule has been pressed so far as to exclude the witness from testifying to his own undisclosed intent in making a transfer to the deceased;27 but the soundness of this conclusion is doubtful. Intent communicated to, or even legally presumable to have been shared by the deceased, could not be proved by the witness; but if the transfer is proven aliunde, an undisclosed intent may well be thought to be no part of the communication, or of the transaction between them, and, if material, competent.
Description of the incapacitated, party. The ground of the exclusion is the intervening incapacity of the other party to the personal transaction or communication; “a person at the time of such examination deceased, insane, or lunatic.” The death is sufficiently determined for this purpose \>y prima fade evidence.28
Where the incapacity is mental, a question may arise as to what degree of insanity will bring the case within the statute. The words of the statute do not require that the insanity be one intervening since the interview, although the chief object, doubtless, was to provide for such cases. At common law, insane persons are not absolutely disqualified. An insane person may be examined as a witness in a lucid interval, and may then testify even to what took place when he was insane, although the weight of his testimony is of course for the jury. Holcomb v. Holcomb, 28 Conn. 177. But even insane persons are not absolutely incompetent; but are admitted on [14]*14the ground of necessity, especially for their own protection, and for the redress of injuries to themselves. This exception from necessity, however, -is no just ground for making an implied exception from the statute. If the person is insane or lunatic within the meaning of the language of the rules of evidence as to witnesses, testimony of the interested witness should not be admitted under the statute.
Who may object to the evidence. The examination forbidden by the statute, is the examination of a witness “against the executor,28 administrator, heir-at-law, next of kin, assignee, legatee, devisee or survivor,”29 of the decedent, or the assignee or committee of the lunatic. The derivative title here referred -to is one held by the deceased at the time of the transaction and subsequently devolved upon the objecting party.30 The words indicating the various personal relations and modes of succession nrotected by the statute, are liberally construed in furtherance of the equity of the rule,31 and upon this principle any one claiming as a transferee, from a transferor since disqualified, is deemed an assignee,32 and a husband, claiming by marital right of succession, has been treated as if he were next of kin to his wife.33
Effect of objecting party testifying on Ms otan behalf ¡ &c. Where the party for whose protection the statute declares the testimony incompetent, is examined in his own behalf as to the transaction or communication in question, or where the testimony of the deceased or lunatic, as to it, is given in evidence, the prohibition does not apply; and this qualification is to be taken in connection with the general principle, that a party who puts in evidence concedes the right of the adverse party to tread the same ground in rebuttal, so far as it can be done without violating a positive prohibitory statute.34 But giving testimony as to one transaction or communication does not entitle the other party to disregard the prohibition in respect to a distinct and independent communication.35 The offer of testimony, however, need not be confined to the disputable part of the adversary’s .testimony. In this case, as in case of the offer in the first instance, the witness may be sworn unless it appears that he could testify to nothing.36