MEMORANDUM OPINION
ARTHUR L. BURNETT, Sr., United States. Magistrate.
This employment discrimination — retaliation case under Title VII, 42 U.S.C. § 2000e-16 and § 2000e-3, was referred to the undersigned U.S. Magistrate by Order of the Court (Harold Greene, J.) of October 8, 1985 for supervision of pretrial discovery and a formal pretrial conference. The formal pretrial conference was conducted on January 31, 1986 with the Final Pretrial Order being entered on February 7, 1986. Prior to the pretrial conference, counsel for the defendant, on January 23, 1986, filed a Notice of Deposition of four (4) individuals, to be taken February 11 and 12, 1986 in the Panama Canal Commission Administrative Building, Office of the General Counsel, Balboa Heights, Republic of Panama. Defendant’s notice advised that these would be depositions taken pursuant to Rules 28 and 32, Fed.R.Civ.P. to be used at the trial of this case. Counsel for defendant advised at the pretrial conference that the purpose was to avoid incurring the expense of bringing the witnesses to Washington, D.C. to testify in person at the trial, now set to commence on February 24, 1986. The Notice invited plaintiff and his counsel to attend the depositions and further stated that if plaintiff’s counsel were unable to attend, the defendant would arrange for his participation by having an open telephone line operating between the Office of the General Counsel in Balboa Heights, Republic of Panama and the United States Attorney’s Office in Washington, D.C. The Notice indicated that plaintiff’s counsel could listen to the deposition in progress, consisting of the direct examination by defendant’s counsel, and then counsel for the plaintiff could cross-examine over the open [399]*399long-distance telephone line.1 This arrangement would be made without cost to the plaintiff.2
At the pretrial conference counsel for the plaintiff, a participant in the Bar Association of the District of Columbia Young Lawyers Pro Bono Program, appointed under 42 U.S.C. § 2000e-5(f), objected to the taking of the four (4) depositions in the Republic of Panama, asserting that neither he nor his client, who is currently unemployed, had the necessary funds for the transportation and subsistence expenses involved in a three (3) or four (4) day trip and stay in the Republic of Panama. He further objected that cross-examination by long distance telephonic questioning, when he could not see the deponents and gauge their reactions, was not an adequate means of cross-examination and substitute for in person cross-examination. He orally moved for a Protective Order to preclude the taking of the de bene esse depositions.3
After extensive legal research and review of the relevant judicial precedent, the Magistrate concluded that a Protective Order should be granted. In the Final Pretrial Order filed February 7, 1986, the Magistrate stated:
“If the defendant intends to offer the testimony of any of these witnesses at trial, they must be produced here in Washington, D.C. to testify at the trial. Furthermore, they must report to Washington, D.C. at least two (2) days before trial and shall be made available for deposition by counsel for the plaintiff, shall he so desire, prior to trial so that he may effectively cross-examine them at trial.”
The following factual and legal analysis, and discussion of that judicial precedent we have been able to locate, are set forth in support of the rulings made.
While under the Code of Professional Responsibility and the Canons, it is permissible for pro bono counsel to advance discovery and related pretrial expenses, or even to absorb these expenses, see generally, Model Rule of Professional Conduct 1.8, ABA Formal Opinion 1361 (1976), ABA Formal Opinion 259 (1943), and D.C.Legal Ethics Committee Opinion No 104, April 21, 1981, pro bono counsel can not be required to do so.4 As Chief Judge [400]*400Jack B. Weinstein of the Eastern District of New York observed:
“The pro bono attorney has been appointed by the court to ensure the availability of justice to all who come before us. It cannot be ‘violative of law or public policy to give financial aid to a poor suitor who is prosecuting a meritorious cause of action,’ Jahn v. Champagne Lumber Co., 157 Fed. 407, 418 (W.D.Wis.1903).” Baker v. American Broadcasting Co., 585 F.Supp. 291, 294 (E.D.N.Y.1984):
In this case counsel has represented, and the plaintiff’s responses to interrogatories reveal, that plaintiff has been unemployed since August, 1985. Counsel is a young lawyer and has represented that he personally does not have to pay approximately $700.00 for air transportation costs, plus $200.00-$300.00 for hotel and subsistence expenses. Thus, it is readily apparent that requiring pro bono counsel to attend the depositions in the Republic of Panama would personally cost him at least $1,000.00. Counsel is contributing his efforts and time without compensation; it would be unfair to imposed the additional financial burden of going to the Republic of [401]*401Panama on him.5 This Magistrate notes from his experience in ruling on discovery issues in numerous Title VII cases that the costs of pretrial discovery may be substantial. Thus, the court should be sensitive to imposing requirements which will discourage young lawyers from accepting pro bono appointments in Title VII cases. Furthermore, while counsel for plaintiffs in Title VII cases may be reimbursed for some expenses incurred and receive attorney’s fees where the plaintiff ultimately prevails, see, e.g., Ramos v. Lamm, 539 F.Supp. 730, 754 (D.Colo.1982); Baker v. American Broadcasting Co., supra, 585 F.Supp. at 291,6 this Magistrate’s experience over the past six (6) years in handling Title VII cases is that a substantial number of plaintiffs in Title VII cases which go to trial do not prevail. Nonetheless, pro bono counsel must render competent legal representation through a trial and adjudication of the merits. A court must thus exercise a balanced judgment in dealing with pretrial discovery disputes and other pretrial issues and be careful not further to discourage attorneys from accepting pro bono cases by requiring such attorneys to bear the often high costs of discovery and pretrial preparation. When the issue is not one of simply pretrial discovery, but the taking of de bene esse depositions to be offered as substantive evidence at a Title VII trial, on which the factfinder is to rely to determine the merits, these considerations take on even greater importance. To require pro bono counsel to shoulder personally expenses to obtain and preserve testimony to be presented at the Title VII trial for a decision on the merits would, in reality, require private counsel to subsidize the defendant’s obtaining and presenting of evidence at the trial of this case. While a plaintiff in a Title VII case has the burden of proof to establish his claims — in this case racial discrimination and retaliation— it would be a remarkable proposition to require plaintiff’s counsel to pay personally for the expenses involved to be physically present to perfect the taking of
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MEMORANDUM OPINION
ARTHUR L. BURNETT, Sr., United States. Magistrate.
This employment discrimination — retaliation case under Title VII, 42 U.S.C. § 2000e-16 and § 2000e-3, was referred to the undersigned U.S. Magistrate by Order of the Court (Harold Greene, J.) of October 8, 1985 for supervision of pretrial discovery and a formal pretrial conference. The formal pretrial conference was conducted on January 31, 1986 with the Final Pretrial Order being entered on February 7, 1986. Prior to the pretrial conference, counsel for the defendant, on January 23, 1986, filed a Notice of Deposition of four (4) individuals, to be taken February 11 and 12, 1986 in the Panama Canal Commission Administrative Building, Office of the General Counsel, Balboa Heights, Republic of Panama. Defendant’s notice advised that these would be depositions taken pursuant to Rules 28 and 32, Fed.R.Civ.P. to be used at the trial of this case. Counsel for defendant advised at the pretrial conference that the purpose was to avoid incurring the expense of bringing the witnesses to Washington, D.C. to testify in person at the trial, now set to commence on February 24, 1986. The Notice invited plaintiff and his counsel to attend the depositions and further stated that if plaintiff’s counsel were unable to attend, the defendant would arrange for his participation by having an open telephone line operating between the Office of the General Counsel in Balboa Heights, Republic of Panama and the United States Attorney’s Office in Washington, D.C. The Notice indicated that plaintiff’s counsel could listen to the deposition in progress, consisting of the direct examination by defendant’s counsel, and then counsel for the plaintiff could cross-examine over the open [399]*399long-distance telephone line.1 This arrangement would be made without cost to the plaintiff.2
At the pretrial conference counsel for the plaintiff, a participant in the Bar Association of the District of Columbia Young Lawyers Pro Bono Program, appointed under 42 U.S.C. § 2000e-5(f), objected to the taking of the four (4) depositions in the Republic of Panama, asserting that neither he nor his client, who is currently unemployed, had the necessary funds for the transportation and subsistence expenses involved in a three (3) or four (4) day trip and stay in the Republic of Panama. He further objected that cross-examination by long distance telephonic questioning, when he could not see the deponents and gauge their reactions, was not an adequate means of cross-examination and substitute for in person cross-examination. He orally moved for a Protective Order to preclude the taking of the de bene esse depositions.3
After extensive legal research and review of the relevant judicial precedent, the Magistrate concluded that a Protective Order should be granted. In the Final Pretrial Order filed February 7, 1986, the Magistrate stated:
“If the defendant intends to offer the testimony of any of these witnesses at trial, they must be produced here in Washington, D.C. to testify at the trial. Furthermore, they must report to Washington, D.C. at least two (2) days before trial and shall be made available for deposition by counsel for the plaintiff, shall he so desire, prior to trial so that he may effectively cross-examine them at trial.”
The following factual and legal analysis, and discussion of that judicial precedent we have been able to locate, are set forth in support of the rulings made.
While under the Code of Professional Responsibility and the Canons, it is permissible for pro bono counsel to advance discovery and related pretrial expenses, or even to absorb these expenses, see generally, Model Rule of Professional Conduct 1.8, ABA Formal Opinion 1361 (1976), ABA Formal Opinion 259 (1943), and D.C.Legal Ethics Committee Opinion No 104, April 21, 1981, pro bono counsel can not be required to do so.4 As Chief Judge [400]*400Jack B. Weinstein of the Eastern District of New York observed:
“The pro bono attorney has been appointed by the court to ensure the availability of justice to all who come before us. It cannot be ‘violative of law or public policy to give financial aid to a poor suitor who is prosecuting a meritorious cause of action,’ Jahn v. Champagne Lumber Co., 157 Fed. 407, 418 (W.D.Wis.1903).” Baker v. American Broadcasting Co., 585 F.Supp. 291, 294 (E.D.N.Y.1984):
In this case counsel has represented, and the plaintiff’s responses to interrogatories reveal, that plaintiff has been unemployed since August, 1985. Counsel is a young lawyer and has represented that he personally does not have to pay approximately $700.00 for air transportation costs, plus $200.00-$300.00 for hotel and subsistence expenses. Thus, it is readily apparent that requiring pro bono counsel to attend the depositions in the Republic of Panama would personally cost him at least $1,000.00. Counsel is contributing his efforts and time without compensation; it would be unfair to imposed the additional financial burden of going to the Republic of [401]*401Panama on him.5 This Magistrate notes from his experience in ruling on discovery issues in numerous Title VII cases that the costs of pretrial discovery may be substantial. Thus, the court should be sensitive to imposing requirements which will discourage young lawyers from accepting pro bono appointments in Title VII cases. Furthermore, while counsel for plaintiffs in Title VII cases may be reimbursed for some expenses incurred and receive attorney’s fees where the plaintiff ultimately prevails, see, e.g., Ramos v. Lamm, 539 F.Supp. 730, 754 (D.Colo.1982); Baker v. American Broadcasting Co., supra, 585 F.Supp. at 291,6 this Magistrate’s experience over the past six (6) years in handling Title VII cases is that a substantial number of plaintiffs in Title VII cases which go to trial do not prevail. Nonetheless, pro bono counsel must render competent legal representation through a trial and adjudication of the merits. A court must thus exercise a balanced judgment in dealing with pretrial discovery disputes and other pretrial issues and be careful not further to discourage attorneys from accepting pro bono cases by requiring such attorneys to bear the often high costs of discovery and pretrial preparation. When the issue is not one of simply pretrial discovery, but the taking of de bene esse depositions to be offered as substantive evidence at a Title VII trial, on which the factfinder is to rely to determine the merits, these considerations take on even greater importance. To require pro bono counsel to shoulder personally expenses to obtain and preserve testimony to be presented at the Title VII trial for a decision on the merits would, in reality, require private counsel to subsidize the defendant’s obtaining and presenting of evidence at the trial of this case. While a plaintiff in a Title VII case has the burden of proof to establish his claims — in this case racial discrimination and retaliation— it would be a remarkable proposition to require plaintiff’s counsel to pay personally for the expenses involved to be physically present to perfect the taking of de bene esse depositions to be used at the trial to defeat his client’s claims, rather than to have the witnesses appear in person, to be subject to the scrutiny of the trial judge, to determine if the personnel actions involved were based on discriminatory motive or intent.
But here counsel for the defendant has suggested a potential means of taking the de bene esse depositions without impos[402]*402ing expenses on plaintiff’s counsel. An opportunity to cross-examine will be afforded. The question is whether it will be adequate with respect to the means to be utilized, and whether counsel can be required to utilize a less desirous, and, perhaps, inferior means of cross-examination, solely because his client is impecunious.7 The question is whether cross-examination by long distance telephonic questioning without the ability to see the witness and to evaluate the witness’ demeanor, facial reactions and expressions can be adequate, when counsel desiring the de bene esse deposition is physically present with the witness and has conducted the direct examination in person, and by observation, can detect every nuance and meaning of a witness’ response to a question. Such a disparity in the ability of counsel to examine and evaluate the witnesses, in a case in which proof of discriminatory motive and intent may depend on subtle factors concerning demeanor and reaction of witnesses, can not be wisely approved in Title VII litigation. In person cross-examination of alleged discriminating officials or of others with knowledge of the facts involving the bona fides of a personnel decision at issue may be outcome determinative in such a case.
The Magistrate’s extensive research of the issues here presented has disclosed a paucity of judicial precedent dealing with how discovery and related pretrial expenses of pro bono counsel in Title VII cases should be provided for and handled. In seeking to encourage private counsel to accept pro bono appointments, the courts must be sensitive to the burdens imposed upon counsel to conduct discovery properly in such cases and to prepare effectively for the trial of such cases on their merits. While seeking to minimize the expenses of discovery for pro bono counsel, the court can not lawfully shift these expenses to the defendant prior to a determination of liability. Thus, magistrates and judges must fashion discovery rulings in a manner to enable counsel for impecunious plaintiffs to prepare adequately for trial and to render competent and effective representation as counsel, but at the same time not impose expensive discovery or trial obligations on defendants. In achieving this balance, the ultimate objective is a trial which is fair and just to both parties in a Title VII case. The Magistrate concludes, that if private counsel are to be encouraged to accept pro bono appointments and to conduct the necessary pretrial discovery required in Title VII cases and to engage in competent trial preparation, both the Bench and the Bar must give further attention to the issue of pretrial discovery and other related pretrial expenses a lawyer must now frequently absorb in order to meet even a minimal standard of competent legal representation of Title VII complainants. See Bradshaw v. United States District Court for the South District of California, 742 F.2d 515 (9th Cir.1984); Baker v. American Broadcasting Co., 585 F.Supp. 291 (E.D.N.Y.1984).8 It is hoped that the comments ex[403]*403pressed herein will further promote the development of pro bono programs, with adequate funding sources available, so that counsel willing to take Title VII cases, will have access to adequate financial resources other than their own personal funds to render competent and effective legal representation to Title VII plaintiffs.